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Frosstbyte 12-08-2005 11:11 PM

Firemaw down tonight. We had Ebonroc in a pretty good rhythm until about 75% when everything went to hell. Yay progress! Nefarian is literally 5 pulls away!

Lasereth 12-09-2005 10:19 AM

Last night my guild took down Lucifron, Magmadar, Gehennas, Garr, Baron Geddon, Shazzrah, Sulfuron, and Golemagg in 5 or 6 hours! It's a new record for us. We usually only do 6 bosses on the first raid night. The lag was HORRID last night (I'm talking three to TEN second lag spikes) but we still took down all 8. We wiped on Sulfuron (easy fight) because my priest was feeding her kid a peanut butter sandwich. ;) 26 fucking epics dropped (like 8 BoEs). I scored lots of DKP...enough to get the Obsidian Edged Blade, also known as the only reason I'm doing Molten Core. Here's to hoping it drops next run!

-Lasereth

dabossy2k 12-09-2005 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
Heh.. my guild is recruiting.. we're going to start doing MC/BWL runs. We actually know MC inside and out, but we haven't ever been big enough to run it by ourselves - only in an alliance. How fast can you get to 60? :p We're Alliance on Silvermoon.

Man are you on a PVP server or a Normal if its normal I can do it in probably 3 weeks maybe a month can get to 40 in bout a week and a half but with all the vacation time coming up maybe even faster. On a PVP server might take a week longer depending on how much I get ganked. LOL. Oh ya have played a hunter rouge druid and warrior to 60 fastest was the hunter with the undead rouge in second. druid was way easier then the warrior up untill bout 40 then warrior xp went off the charts in how fast I could level. Oh what classes do you need/want and also tradeskills you guys may be short on.

Halx 12-09-2005 01:03 PM

Heh. It's a normal server. Surprisingly, we need some good rogues and hunters. However, we are remarkably even in most classes. I could take just about any class as long as you know how to play well. Same with tradeskills, but the two we have the least of is leatherworking and engineering.

Scorps 12-10-2005 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
Heh. It's a normal server. Surprisingly, we need some good rogues and hunters. However, we are remarkably even in most classes. I could take just about any class as long as you know how to play well. Same with tradeskills, but the two we have the least of is leatherworking and engineering.


I still got my hunter on that server from way back....but he is like lvl 22

been busy with my lvl 60 mage and lv 38 rouge on Windrunner!

Apokx 12-11-2005 03:51 PM

I thought about switching to a PvE server, after a while having level 60 douchebags camping every town you level up in from 20-60 gets old.
60 Sham/60 Pal, so I've enjoyed the experience from both sides as well.
Besides, who PvP's outside of BG's now anyways?

Friends, and having to start over with 0 cash/items keeps me from doing so.

dabossy2k 12-12-2005 08:14 AM

Ya PvP is over rated now. It was fun when town raids and such happened. Or when there was constent fighting going on in Southshore. But now outside PvP sucks because normally its just someone camping you and in BGs its now just people farming HKs or honor points. Kinda sucks really. Right now on the PvE server its kinda nice to just level without having to worry bout the gank, or you know stealthing though entire zones or laying the frost trap with every pull just incase. But I do miss the rush you get when somenoe does sneak up and try to get you, kinda makes for quick thinking. But I needed something new.

lagoonguy 12-13-2005 07:46 AM

well i play as Horde on Deathwing. Lvl 22 rogue now. it's a pvp server, i've wondered about raids on cities, i haven't seen that at all. The BG are kinda fun but i'm still low level and get my butt kicked most of the time.

Lasereth 12-13-2005 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabossy2k
Ya PvP is over rated now. It was fun when town raids and such happened. Or when there was constent fighting going on in Southshore. But now outside PvP sucks because normally its just someone camping you and in BGs its now just people farming HKs or honor points. Kinda sucks really. Right now on the PvE server its kinda nice to just level without having to worry bout the gank, or you know stealthing though entire zones or laying the frost trap with every pull just incase. But I do miss the rush you get when somenoe does sneak up and try to get you, kinda makes for quick thinking. But I needed something new.

Ha ha PVP isn't overrated right now. Everyone hates the current state it's in. :( I wish you got way more honor for fighting outside of BGs.

zkara 12-13-2005 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabossy2k
But I do miss the rush you get when somenoe does sneak up and try to get you, kinda makes for quick thinking.

I was finally convinced by a friend to check out a PvP server after being on a PvE server for the past year..

There wasn't any quick thinking involved when I was one-shotted over and over outside Undercity.. I was only a level 8 mage, and this level 60 druid moonfired me from out of nowhere.. and then kept one-shotting me everytime I rezzed. That was pure bully. At first I thought he was just gonna have his fun and leave me alone after my first death... but he stayed, stealthed, waiting for me. 5 deaths later, I rezzed at the GY, logged out and went back to PvE.

Boo!!

Gabbyness 12-13-2005 03:48 PM

Why were you pvp flagged outside of Undercity as a lvl 8?

You could have waited 5min to drop that flag and went about your merry way!

dabossy2k 12-13-2005 04:54 PM

Ya I was wondering that to unless he swam into the lake to the other side but even then ya 5 mins later he would have dropped that flag and been ok. But ya ganking is still a problem and probably always will be. They said when the honor system came out they where going to but in a pentalty for dis-HKs but that never happened so people still do it. I have seen peopled dis-HKs that are in the thousands, its crazy how much some people gank. But still PvP is a lot of fun I think it was more fun prior to BGs but I might be in the minority.

Apokx 12-13-2005 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zkara
I was finally convinced by a friend to check out a PvP server after being on a PvE server for the past year..

There wasn't any quick thinking involved when I was one-shotted over and over outside Undercity.. I was only a level 8 mage, and this level 60 druid moonfired me from out of nowhere.. and then kept one-shotting me everytime I rezzed. That was pure bully. At first I thought he was just gonna have his fun and leave me alone after my first death... but he stayed, stealthed, waiting for me. 5 deaths later, I rezzed at the GY, logged out and went back to PvE.

Boo!!

At level 8 you experienced the quick and painful version of life on a PVP server.If you're PVP flagged, chances are a level 60 will find and kill you.
Sometimes you get to actually enjoy it though, and fight people around your level 1 on 1, but those are few and far between.

Take for instance last week, I go inside the Yeti caves and stroke two level 30s Warriors on my 32 Warrior, then not two minutes later a 60 Hunter rolls up and lays waste.

It's not always horrible, but you have alot of bad days. I miss release PVP ;P

Stompy 12-13-2005 07:29 PM

I've absolutely HAD IT with Blizzard's shitty downloader.

It's worthless. My connection has a max of 400+ k/sec and this thing just crept along the whole time at a measly 100k/sec while MAXING my outgoing bandwidth. So not only did it take eons to get the update, but it stopped at the last meg for about 20 minutes while... everyone was leeching from me. Yep, 60k/sec goin out on my end, but lo and behold, I can't get the last meg.

Utterly ridiculous.

Are there any places to straight up download the patch from without having to go through this hassle?

Apokx 12-13-2005 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stompy
I've absolutely HAD IT with Blizzard's shitty downloader.

It's worthless. My connection has a max of 400+ k/sec and this thing just crept along the whole time at a measly 100k/sec while MAXING my outgoing bandwidth. So not only did it take eons to get the update, but it stopped at the last meg for about 20 minutes while... everyone was leeching from me. Yep, 60k/sec goin out on my end, but lo and behold, I can't get the last meg.

Utterly ridiculous.

Are there any places to straight up download the patch from without having to go through this hassle?

Filefront.

Ustwo 12-14-2005 11:42 AM

I couldn't imagine playing on a pve server, you just don't have those special moments you have on a pvp server on pve.

My favorite was at level 24 or so fearing a level 53 mage off the elevator lift at TN. He and his buddy were toying with me (both 50+) instead of ganking me, which is even more annoying. So I aoe feared them, and it stuck on both of them and I made a run for the lift. The mage caught up with me, hit me with a couple of instants which I survived barely, frost novaed me while I was on the lift, and then I feared him off it about 3/4ths of the way up. Wish I could have had a video of the plummetting gnome.

Nothing is quite as fun as turning the tables on gankers.

Saddly blizzard really fubared the honor system, and showed they don't understand pvp, but the core game is still good enough to keep me going.

Zeraph 12-14-2005 02:35 PM

There's quite a few places you can get the patchs stompy. Just look at any website like filefront, fileplanet, etc. When I was still playing I think I used there DLer like once...last december. It is there crappiest shit in an otherwise quality game. Well how they handle PvP is up there too.

MechCow 12-14-2005 05:12 PM

hit 60 :-)
 
My troll mage has finally hit Level 60. Levels 50-60 certainly took a long time and were very painful. What makes them more painful is that you should be able to go up by grouping and doing Strat, Scholo, DM, LBRS or BRD quests but only for BRD will people actually group with you because they made those instances impossible for a group of 5 sub level 60's (at least the ones I have tried). I think they should have made it that each time you kill a mob you get less experience for killing it (until eventually you get none), so that grinding either becomes like a quest in itself as you must seek out new mobs and so that there is a much higher incentive to actually do the instances.

My biggest gripe with wow is that very often grouping means you earn less rewards and makes you less productive. This often creates tension in groups as everyone wants to keep moving and rush through everything. I think the elite mobs should give heaps more experience and items than they do, and the single player game should be restricted as more of a "something to pass the time when your mates are not on" rather than a very effective way to get xp and items.

Now I have hit 60 its tough to know what to do. I've seen a few of the high end instances and they are fun but nothing amazing so far. I would love to run ZG or MC but I have no idea how to get enough people together and playing from Australia it means the timezones are horribly out of sync. I'll probably just play my alliance character from now on.

Still love mages and I think they are pretty effective. In BG I hold my own using fire. Don't really want to use that instant-pyroblast build because the arcane stuff doesn't really interest me as much but I'll give it a go at some point. Duelling I get completely owned always because I can't defend myself and can't deal damage superfast but that doesn't really bother me.

Here are some screenshots of what I've done so far:
http://heenan.dyndsl.inspired.net.au/gallery/wow

Crack 12-16-2005 07:19 AM

the other day in a duel I 2-shotted a lvl 60 warrior in full might with an Destroyer of worlds, it's times like this that keeps me going.

My build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...50230000500000

My gear:
Arcanist Robes: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=16798
Arcanist Mantle: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=16797
Wand of Biting Cold: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19108
Crimson Felt Hat: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18727
Choker of Enlightenment: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=17109
Sublime Wristguards: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18497
Azuresong Mageblade: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=17103
Tome of the Ice Lord: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19310
Stormpike Sage's Cloak: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19086
Belt of the Archmage: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18405
Magister's Leggings: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=16687
Dragonrider Boots: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18102
Shivery Handwraps: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18693
Briarwood Reed: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=12930
Eye of the Beast: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=13968

yeah, I need new leggings, but I am in the process of getting
Flarecore Leggings: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19165

=225+ damage, and 3% to crit


My frostbolts crit him twice for 2679. He then said hax, and left.
no crutch trinkets either.

Gabbyness 12-16-2005 09:50 AM

He only had 5200hp as a epic warrior? Doesn't that seem low?

Lasereth 12-16-2005 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabbyness
He only had 5200hp as a epic warrior? Doesn't that seem low?

Not low at all. A Grand Marshal warrior has around 5500-5600 HP, and that armor is FULL of stamina. Full Might warriors probably have around 5500 as well. My warrior has 4/6 of the first PVP set with 1 libram and the max HP enchants on every item and he has right at 5100 unbuffed.

Gabbyness 12-16-2005 03:11 PM

I stand corrected!

Scorps 12-17-2005 11:50 AM

This I guess is a little rant, The thing I hate the most is when I run 2 Instances in one night ( Strat Scarlet and UBRS) and all I get is a Fire Resistant ring...ya it a sweet fire mage ring but its a damn green, before we started they said a blue for everyone, and I got nothing...thats why I hate non-guild raids these days...



Ok I feel better now!

Carno 12-17-2005 01:20 PM

Blegh.. It's kinda annoying having to look for a party every time I play now. In the earlier levels I could do it alone by hopping around to the different newb zones, but now every quest I get seems like I need 2-3 other people.

It's fun questing with others, but I hate wasting 1/4 of my playing time just to find enough people.

Halx 12-17-2005 01:30 PM

I love my guild.. when we're not raiding, we're zerging instances like crazy. We are frequently reminded of our days in PuGs when "pulls like that" would easily wipe the group, yet we, as an organized group of players easily handled. At this point, we only run instances for gear for our new recruits and alts because most of us are decked in MC/ZG gear. I think our record (not even trying, mind you) on the ENTIRE Stratholme is 90 minutes. Sure, it could be done faster by a determined group, but we were just bored. Our record in UBRS (with FF) is like 55 min.

Scorps 12-17-2005 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx
I love my guild.. when we're not raiding, we're zerging instances like crazy. We are frequently reminded of our days in PuGs when "pulls like that" would easily wipe the group, yet we, as an organized group of players easily handled. At this point, we only run instances for gear for our new recruits and alts because most of us are decked in MC/ZG gear. I think our record (not even trying, mind you) on the ENTIRE Stratholme is 90 minutes. Sure, it could be done faster by a determined group, but we were just bored. Our record in UBRS (with FF) is like 55 min.

Strat is fun but Urbs is starting to piss me off, everytime I go there the party falls apart.

Carno 12-17-2005 06:36 PM

Anyone know of any good guilds on Malfurion?

Crack 12-17-2005 11:38 PM

I have done a strat dead (from start to baron dead) in 19mins.
4 mages, 3 priests, and 1 pally.
It was... fun.
This was back when we were all trying to up our rep with AD to exaulted... I can't remember why now.

Reese 12-18-2005 12:26 AM

Hey crack, Remember this? You didn't have all that epic gear to hide behind then :)

http://tinypic.com/ipy649.jpg

lagoonguy 12-18-2005 01:16 PM

i love the towns now - all decked out for christmas and you can buy snowballs. There was a huge snowball fight in Orgrimmar the other day. fun stuff.

Reese 12-18-2005 10:28 PM

You should buy a ton of snowballs because you'll be able to sell them for a huge profit in July :)

Crack 12-19-2005 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybermike
Hey crack, Remember this? You didn't have all that epic gear to hide behind then :)

haha, that's awesome, what the hell are we wearing? crazy. hehe, I respeced all your toons btw, Reese is now Holy/dicp, Elara is not a critidin anymore, and Bard is logged off in Org in the AH so he can gank lvl 36 flagged noobs when I get pissed because I can't kill anything as a non shadow priest :P oh, I got Reese some new gear too :)

Reese 12-19-2005 05:50 PM

Well it was taken in January in our early 50s.. so I'm going to guess you were wearing runecloth robes, inventors focal sword, and... hmm I can't for the life of me remember the name of that offhand orb but I do remember it got nerfed to hell though..

That's cool, If you're gonna do MC with reese, he needs to do atunement quest :)

Crack 12-20-2005 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybermike

That's cool, If you're gonna do MC with reese, he needs to do atunement quest :)

nope, he already had it. haha

BurntToast 12-29-2005 05:14 PM

nvm it was deleted

Pragma 12-29-2005 09:39 PM

Okay folks - I've gone ahead and started playing. I've got one character (Alliance) on Medivh, another character (Alliance) on Greymane, and a third character (Horde) on Magtheridon. Do any of you guys play on those servers, and if so, willing to help out someone completely new the game?

I inhereted a friend's account with six months left on it - so I'll be playing for at least six months ;) The reason I've got so many characters is because I have three different groups of friends, who all want me to play with them, and they're all on different servers. Makes life difficult.

Gabbyness 12-30-2005 06:59 AM

Yeah, that's definitely going to make leveling a difficult venture.

What classes did you pick? That will also influence your leveling if your friends aren't around/you need to go solo.

Do you have any questions?

Pragma 12-30-2005 07:57 AM

Human Warlock, Nightelf Hunter, Tauren Warrior

I've been doing pretty well soloing with the Hunter, which is the main one I've been doing. The warlock, one friend already created a new character and another friend is doing the same shortly, and so we're going to level together (so I've mostly stopped playing him until they get back from vacations), and I haven't been playing the warrior much - was having too much fun with the Hunter ;)

Lasereth 12-30-2005 02:06 PM

I got Knight-Champion last week. Right now I'm about 1/10th towards Lieutenant-Commander (my stopping point). One more rank to go!!! I'm really excited. At rank 10 you get the remaining pieces of the PVP set.

I've also been to MC a few more times. Right now I have enough DKP to get THREE Obsidian Edged Blades...I just have to get them to drop now. :)

Any melee classes wanna help me make a decision? The OEB isn't that much better than an Arcanite Reaper (max damage, min damage, DPS, stats, everything), but it is an upgrade. The Unstoppable Force is MUCH better than the OEB and Arcanite Reaper, but requires getting to exalted in Alterac Valley. Now the last variable: mace spec versus sword spec versus axe spec. Axe is clearly the most favored. Is it worth spending my DKP on the OEB if I could get TUF with AV farming? I could get 3 or 4 pieces of Might if I didn't get the OEB. It's just getting old using the same weapon for 10 months (literally). I need an upgrade, but the OEB just doesn't offer that much more. Any suggestions? (PS: the OEB is getting a graphical overhaul in 1.9 and looks totally badass. BIG factor here!)

darmok 12-30-2005 03:05 PM

I've been really happy with WoW so far. Its been a lot of fun and i've met some really nice people who, just like me, love to waste hours away playing these games. :)

I have a lvl 60 mage named Tanagra on the Horde side on the Gurubashi server and i'm now deep in the PvP/Battleground rank grind. I'm starting to have dreams about Arathi Basin every night I spend so much damn time in there!

Gurubashi is a pretty decent server, unfortunately the Horde outnumber the Alliance like 2 to 1, so it can be difficult to find some good PvP action sometimes. If anyone is planning on rolling a new Alliance, come to Gurubashi...hehe.

Im part of the AZVU Brotherhood on Gurubashi
http://www.az-vu.com

FOR THE HORDE! :)

Lokus 12-30-2005 08:36 PM

I'd go for the OEB. I prefer sword spec to axe spec actually because the sword spec can proc off of anything. Sure with axe spec you can crit on that hamstring for 100 but wouldn't you rather have a sword spec proc for 300-400? You do lose a little damage since you get the 20% bonus crit damage from impale but the sword spec proc on abilities like pummel and hamstring more than make up for it.

Crack 01-03-2006 03:16 AM

1.9 patch, go go go!

Pragma 01-03-2006 07:28 AM

I hate BitTorrent, and it hates me. Or at least the campus hates me, and packetshapes it so it downloads slow. Now waiting on the standalone download mirrors to appear.

Lasereth 01-03-2006 11:36 AM

Wow. That's all I can say. The new armor looks totally badass. I don't wanna ruin it, but the Horde and Alliance have to band together to open up AQ by supporting each others armies. There's actually a Horde general asking the Alliance for help in IF!!! This patch is fucking awesome. Well, except for the warrior nerf. :)

Cynthetiq 01-03-2006 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pragma
I hate BitTorrent, and it hates me. Or at least the campus hates me, and packetshapes it so it downloads slow. Now waiting on the standalone download mirrors to appear.

I have this on my favorites...

http://browse.files.filefront.com/Of...owsefiles.html

Pragma 01-03-2006 03:02 PM

I got it off Fileshack (have a Mercury membership there) early this morning, when it came out there. Now I'm just waiting on all of the various mods I use (Titan Panel, Auctioneer) to update for 1.9

P-Naughty 01-04-2006 12:58 AM

God... I love new raid reset. It is a god send for those of us in guilds that can't figure out ONE schedule and stick with it.

PS - I just downed Razorgore with my guild on Detheroc last Thursday (Sargeras transfer)! *w00t!* Now we get to wipe on Vael for three weeks. Broodlord, here we come!... eventually

Vael: "Forgive me Mechanical Yeti. Your death only adds to my failure."

ObieX 01-04-2006 02:10 AM

bleh.. when i first heard they were gonna nerf my mage bracers from molten core cuz it had too many resist stats i thought .. maybe.. they would just take off like half (there were 4 points of resist for 2 resists and 8 points to another (i forget which ones). So i thought maybe they'll take the 8, or the 2 4s or maybe the 8 and a 4 but no.. they had to completely remove all of the resists on the item. *poof* 16 stat points lost :(

This wouldn't piss me off so much if it wasnt my only piece of molten core gear, but it is.

Frosstbyte 01-04-2006 02:12 AM

Actually, you pretty much get to wipe on vael forever, because no matter how much further you get in BWL, if just one person screws up on vael, you pretty much wipe. We can kill Chrom right now and I can tell you the single person responsible for each of our six (6) (!!!!!!) Vael wipes tonight. God damn it it's frustrating when people can't figure out how to do their job. Nothing like three tanks pulling out of order and two rogues not knowing how to control their aggro ftw!

It was a long, frustrating night.

Lasereth 01-04-2006 06:55 AM

We killed Lucifron to Golemagg last night, and then went and killed Onyxia before the timer reset. I'm really proud of how well my guild does considering all of the e-drama it's been through. I have a ton of DKP now...I don't know whether to wait for Rag to drop a Spinal Reaper or for Razorgore to drop The Untamed Blade, or if I should just go ahead and get the Obsidian Edged Blade from MC.

Our guild does start BWL Thursday. I'm almost glad I'm not going. :)

Zeraph 01-04-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
Actually, you pretty much get to wipe on vael forever, because no matter how much further you get in BWL, if just one person screws up on vael, you pretty much wipe. We can kill Chrom right now and I can tell you the single person responsible for each of our six (6) (!!!!!!) Vael wipes tonight. God damn it it's frustrating when people can't figure out how to do their job. Nothing like three tanks pulling out of order and two rogues not knowing how to control their aggro ftw!

It was a long, frustrating night.

Are you sure it's their fault? BWL has always been buggy, maybe its a "feature". Like random aggro or something.

Scorps 01-04-2006 01:52 PM

Man I wish I was in some your guys guilds, but I guess thats the shitty part about building a big fun guild.

Zeraph 01-04-2006 04:09 PM

I'm hearing mixed results with the new paladin changes. Some are saying they really got screwed over (talents), but others are saying if you get a little creative you can pull off some big damage. Any paladins here that can comment?

Scorps 01-04-2006 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
I'm hearing mixed results with the new paladin changes. Some are saying they really got screwed over (talents), but others are saying if you get a little creative you can pull off some big damage. Any paladins here that can comment?

Havn't heard much about the paladins but I heard the Warriors are mad!

Frosstbyte 01-05-2006 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
Are you sure it's their fault? BWL has always been buggy, maybe its a "feature". Like random aggro or something.

Very sure. Vael's random ability doesn't have to do with pulling hate. When there's a rogue who has 5k more damage than anyone else in the raid and everyone is screaming at him to vanish and he doesn't vanish and pulls hate over the next tank and then doesn't move so vael cleaves all the rogues and then flame-breaths the caster camp, there's nothing random or buggy about it.

Vael is a simple fight. For DPS: don't get hit by anything but fire novas and don't pull hate over tanks. For warriors, it's pull hate in the correct order. They're not hard jobs, but if you're not paying attention, it's easy to fail at either one of them and when you do, you wipe the raid, since Vael is probably the most unforgiving fight I can think of. Sure people make mistakes and you can't win every time, but when you can't get 40 people to pay attention for just three minutes over and over again, it gets really frustrating.

On another note, I think my presence has something to do with people sucking, since when I show up for vael, we have a wipefest (I'm a hunter, I don't ever pull hate on Vael, so I'm sure it's not actually *my* fault). Tonight, while I'm off watcing one of the greatest college football games ever, they one-shot him. GG me.

Pragma 01-05-2006 10:45 AM

A few level 60 paladin friends of mine absolutely love the new patch, saying they're doing huge amounts of damage with it. I'll have to ask them for their setups. I haven't heard any 60 pals from our guild bitching about it, actually.

In other news, my Hunter is slowly making progress - did Deadmines for the first time last night and hit 20 when I finished. Woot :)

Crack 01-06-2006 05:22 AM

we can't seem to get past razergore.. bah, we have all of MC/Rag and onyxia on phat farm status, we actually did it all in 1 night the other day.. latenight though :P

if my fucking arcanist bracers/netherwind crown don't drop soon, i'm gonna lose it!

Lasereth 01-06-2006 02:14 PM

UGH!!! Battlegrounds keeps locking up my PC after 1.9. I can't PVP at all with this crap. I've sent in numerous tickets and posted my problem on the tech support forum but no one can figure out what's causing it. It's happening to a ton of people as well. When I do freeze, I have to reset my PC or try to end task. When that happens, I am labelled a deserter because I left the BG early, even though it was due to a fucking freeze. So I can't enter another BG for 15 minutes because of the deserter debuff, plus half the time I freeze at the end of a match and don't get the marks of honor for losing or winning. This is bullshit.

dabossy2k 01-06-2006 02:21 PM

Man try not being able to res your pet. The only way a hunter can res his pet now is to have a priest or pally/druid do it. Swear it sucks

Scorps 01-06-2006 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabossy2k
Man try not being able to res your pet. The only way a hunter can res his pet now is to have a priest or pally/druid do it. Swear it sucks


really?? I resed mine like 4 times last night :hmm:

dabossy2k 01-06-2006 02:41 PM

Ya seems to happen if my pet dies and I feign death. THen after I try to res my pet and it says your pet is not dead. After that I use call pet and my pet appears at my feet as a corpse. Had to go into Ironforge and beg to get my pet resd.

Scorps 01-06-2006 04:46 PM

Never had that problem....and I have done what you said, pets dies Feign death, but res works for me. You might want to look into that!

Frosstbyte 01-07-2006 01:10 AM

The hunter pet rez problem is a known bug which they claim to have fixed. This is blizzard though, so who knows?

My guild got to Nef Phase 2 with 0 deaths on red/blue drakonids tonight. It was late so we didn't go for a repeat and we were woefully prepared for the transition, but it's a good start. Hopefully have him down in a week or two.

seretogis 01-07-2006 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
UGH!!! Battlegrounds keeps locking up my PC after 1.9. I can't PVP at all with this crap. I've sent in numerous tickets and posted my problem on the tech support forum but no one can figure out what's causing it. It's happening to a ton of people as well. When I do freeze, I have to reset my PC or try to end task. When that happens, I am labelled a deserter because I left the BG early, even though it was due to a fucking freeze. So I can't enter another BG for 15 minutes because of the deserter debuff, plus half the time I freeze at the end of a match and don't get the marks of honor for losing or winning. This is bullshit.

Err.. shouldn't you be farming linen cloth instead of PvPing in battlegrounds? :)

Lasereth 01-07-2006 02:30 PM

Ha ha. I'll stop PVPing when I get rank 10. :) This week's severe lack of honor is gonna get me nowhere. :(

Scorps 01-07-2006 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
The hunter pet rez problem is a known bug which they claim to have fixed. This is blizzard though, so who knows?

My guild got to Nef Phase 2 with 0 deaths on red/blue drakonids tonight. It was late so we didn't go for a repeat and we were woefully prepared for the transition, but it's a good start. Hopefully have him down in a week or two.

They also dais you will not be dazed when in Aspect of Pack but you still do :mad:

Pragma 01-08-2006 12:06 PM

I thought you were supposed to be dazed when in Aspect of the Pack, just like Cheetah? It'd be kind of broken if you weren't dazed in Pack.

seretogis 01-08-2006 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pain Train
They also dais you will not be dazed when in Aspect of Pack but you still do :mad:

No, they said that you will not get dazed by each tick of a DoT. Any direct damage will still daze you.

Zeraph 01-08-2006 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
UGH!!! Battlegrounds keeps locking up my PC after 1.9. I can't PVP at all with this crap. I've sent in numerous tickets and posted my problem on the tech support forum but no one can figure out what's causing it. It's happening to a ton of people as well. When I do freeze, I have to reset my PC or try to end task. When that happens, I am labelled a deserter because I left the BG early, even though it was due to a fucking freeze. So I can't enter another BG for 15 minutes because of the deserter debuff, plus half the time I freeze at the end of a match and don't get the marks of honor for losing or winning. This is bullshit.

Haha, not laughing at you but as soon as I read that patch note I knew that would fuck over people. They didn't think that one through.

Pragma 01-09-2006 08:55 AM

Last night, I had that happen to me. Every single person in the Warsong Gulch instance I was in had WoW freeze on them, we all logged back in to WSG and compared notes and discovered that everyone had crashed out. So we used the opportunity to steal the Horde flag a few more times while they were just as disoriented. ;)

Stompy 01-09-2006 12:37 PM

Pure subtlety rogue... I've been thinkin about this lately.

1. Improved sap is wonderful, esp in PvP and taking out the mages that like to sit at the back lines.

2. Amazing openings.

Preparation + cheapshot/ambush/garrote (w/ additional chance to get extra combo point) = immediate 4 or 5 point opening.

45% additional chance to crit with Ambush on top of a base 25% (maybe more depending on additional gear) = 70% chance to crit, whic will snag a nice chunk of HP most of the time, and either follow up with a full blown rupture, kidney shot, or take your chance with a crit evis.

Improved rupture will get you a nice 1200 damage DoT on TOP of your crit ambush.

Toss in a gouge here and there..

Setup... 45% chance to get a point if you dodge would be nice for when you toss on evasion.

Depending on which class you're fighting, you pretty much have em down 2000+ HP before they can even do anything, and on top of that you have plenty of room for stun locking.

Seems rather... sexy.

I'd like to use this for PvE as well as PvP.. seems it would work rather nicely in either situation. With my personal play style, I like to stealth and just hit out of nowhere as opposed to head-to-head melee.

Any comments, things I might be missing?

Here's what I've come up with:

Assassination
Malice Rank 5
Ruthlessness Rank 3

Assassination Total: 8

Combat

Lightning Reflexes Rank 5
Improved Backstab Rank 1 (had a point left over, so i tossed it in here)

Combat Total: 6

Subtlety

Master of Deception Rank 5
Camouflage Rank 5
Opportunity Rank 5
Initiative Rank 5
Ghostly Strike Rank 1
Improved Ambush Rank 3
Improved Rupture Rank 3
Improved Sap Rank 3
Preparation Rank 1
Improved Cheap Shot Rank 2
Setup Rank 3
Premeditation Rank 1
Subtlety Total: 37

Total Points Spent: 51
Level Required: 60

-Ever- 01-09-2006 01:04 PM

I enjoy my sword rogue.

dabossy2k 01-09-2006 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stompy
Pure subtlety rogue... I've been thinkin about this lately.

1. Improved sap is wonderful, esp in PvP and taking out the mages that like to sit at the back lines.

2. Amazing openings.

Preparation + cheapshot/ambush/garrote (w/ additional chance to get extra combo point) = immediate 4 or 5 point opening.

45% additional chance to crit with Ambush on top of a base 25% (maybe more depending on additional gear) = 70% chance to crit, whic will snag a nice chunk of HP most of the time, and either follow up with a full blown rupture, kidney shot, or take your chance with a crit evis.

Improved rupture will get you a nice 1200 damage DoT on TOP of your crit ambush.

Toss in a gouge here and there..

Setup... 45% chance to get a point if you dodge would be nice for when you toss on evasion.

Depending on which class you're fighting, you pretty much have em down 2000+ HP before they can even do anything, and on top of that you have plenty of room for stun locking.

Seems rather... sexy.

I'd like to use this for PvE as well as PvP.. seems it would work rather nicely in either situation. With my personal play style, I like to stealth and just hit out of nowhere as opposed to head-to-head melee.

Any comments, things I might be missing?

Here's what I've come up with:

Assassination
Malice Rank 5
Ruthlessness Rank 3

Assassination Total: 8

Combat

Lightning Reflexes Rank 5
Improved Backstab Rank 1 (had a point left over, so i tossed it in here)

Combat Total: 6

Subtlety

Master of Deception Rank 5
Camouflage Rank 5
Opportunity Rank 5
Initiative Rank 5
Ghostly Strike Rank 1
Improved Ambush Rank 3
Improved Rupture Rank 3
Improved Sap Rank 3
Preparation Rank 1
Improved Cheap Shot Rank 2
Setup Rank 3
Premeditation Rank 1
Subtlety Total: 37

Total Points Spent: 51
Level Required: 60

I think this build would be tight but I would probably take out the improved ambush and put it in as the build seems better put toward swords or maces. I would get Hemorrhage and also get IMP SS 3/3. I also wouldnt get you ruthlessness as i think it kinda sucks instead I would put those points in IMP Eviscerate. I would get a slow mace/sword with a high max dmg and a fast off hand sword and go to town.

Stompy 01-10-2006 04:56 AM

What's good about Hemorrhage? (Just wondering).

Maybe I'm missing something, but Hemorrhage says that it's an instant strike that increases physical damage by up to 7 for 30 charges or 15 sec.

I find it hard to dump talent points into this because 7 seems rather... low, unless it does something I'm not aware of that's not listed in the description.

dabossy2k 01-10-2006 07:29 AM

Well for one it is a instant attack that uses less energy then SS, two it adds a debuff that will allow all other attacks from you or your group to do plus 7 dmg for 15 sec or 30 charges. Its also not a dot so wont break gouge or any stun locking techs while uping your dmg a lot. Three it wasnt normalized like SS in 1.8, so when using a slow weapon it hits a lot harder then SS does.

Stompy 01-10-2006 07:57 AM

Ah, nice! I didn't realize SS used so much energy.

Sweeeeet.. I'm gonna give this build a shot when I get home later on. I'll let you know how it turns out.

dabossy2k 01-10-2006 08:35 AM

Man I love rogues swear they are the best built class so far so many good builds its hard to go wrong. I have a 21 ass/3 combat/27 sub lets me get pretty high damage and lets me do a lot of stunlocking as it reduces my stealth cool down and ups my gouge time. Also give me hemo and the big blue fist aka cold blooded. Lots of fun to be able to keep someone stuck for the entire fight.

Stompy 01-10-2006 10:45 AM

Totally. I've played every other class (except Pally), and while they're fun and each have their own unique advantages, Rogues definitely seem to stand out from the rest.

If played right, the damage output, stealthing, stunlocking... totally insane fun.

Some quests I don't think I would've been able to do on my own had it not been for stealth. Granted, they have their weaknesses against other classes, but IMO, they're definitely the most fun.

Mages are amazing, too.

Frosstbyte 01-11-2006 04:12 AM

Does anyone have a whiff of a hint of an idea of when full server transfers are going to come out? As in, I pay $40 and my character moves from one server to another?

My current guild is on Nef and does alright, but they do a whole bunch of things that make me want to kill myself on a regular basis. For example: Razorgore was scheduled for 6:30 tonight. Invites started at 6:15. We pulled at 7:30. I waited an hour and fifteen minutes for people who knew when the raid was scheduled to bother to get inside BWL. A few hours later (lag was too bad after we killed Razor to try immediately), we set out to do Vael and a full half hour after we were supposed to pull him, my DSL crashed. I frantically fixed it, logged back in not fifteen minutes later only to discover 1) Vael was dead and 2) DS belt (which I had just told everyone I really wanted) dropped and went to someone who took it only to prevent it from being DE'd. I was told by the raid leader, "Sorry, we didn't know if you were coming back and people were getting antsy. Hope you didn't want that." I sure am glad I waited over an hour and a half for people tonight when they couldn't wait ten minutes for me. Ugh.

I have a standing offer from the top alliance guild on another server that my friend plays on so I'm VERY eager to get there and I was hoping that someone might have some idea of when that might be.

Sorry for the rant, I needed to get that out of my system. So, anyone know?

Xazy 01-11-2006 04:57 AM

You can already do server transfers, but every few weeks they change what servers can transfer. It is normally from a high population to a low. The current eligable servers are the following:
Blackrock (PvP) -> Garithos (PvP)
Warsong (PvP) -> Garithos (PvP)
Illidan (PvP) -> Garithos (PvP)
Proudmoore (PvE) -> Khaz Modan (PvE)
Draka (PvE) -> Khaz Modan (PvE)
Hellscream (PvE) -> Khaz Modan (PvE)
Blackhand (PvE) -> Khaz Modan (PvE)


I have a different problem, I just reactivated my account, and my friend (who is unemployed) won't logoff ;) I guess since i am a friend I can allow him cheap entertainment since he cannot afford anything himself. Oh and he plays and improves my char so it isnt horrible.

dabossy2k 01-11-2006 07:28 AM

Man I think he is talking about selecting a transfer and paying for it. Hmm not sure if they are ever gonna do that. At least it doesnt seem that way. All they have been doing is tranfers from high pop to low pop servers.

BigGov 01-11-2006 10:11 AM

There have been rumors of Blizzard allowing such "pay-to-switch" options. There's no reason for Blizzard not to do it, it just gives them more money for a very simple thing to do that also would increase player satisfaction. Why would they not?

Lasereth 01-11-2006 12:23 PM

Blizzard has <I>publicly</I> stated that they're gonna allow transfers from any server to any server for a fee. They stated that this may be a good while from now, but it is coming at some point.

Zeraph 01-11-2006 06:36 PM

Hey Lasereth, I was thinking about coming back, maybe trying end game raiding. Any room in your guild for a rogue? He's lvl 60 if you dont remember, equiped in pre raiding gear of blues and greens. I've been to MC once, and some 5 man stuff, so not a complete newb to raiding.

Lasereth 01-12-2006 09:39 AM

Not sure what our recruitment policy is but we do have a lack of rogues that are willing to come to MC everytime. I'll check on it.

Crack 01-12-2006 11:15 AM

Mage question for you guys... Seretogis.. Redjake, others.

in a full MC clear last night, I spent some DKP on a Ring of Spell Power. http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19147


now, I was wondering which would be the better combo, I also have a:
Don Rodrigo's Band
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21563
and a Freezing Band
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=942

which would be the bast combo to use? With the Spell power, and the freezing band, I get +54 spell damage... but the Don Rod's band, the -20 resistances is nice right? Also 70HP, and +1% to crit... I am perplexed help a fellow mage out.

ObieX 01-12-2006 11:29 AM

Personally i would go Don Rodrigo's Band & Ring of Spell Power. But thats just me, I'm and arcane/fire mage. As a frost mage i could see why you would go Freezing Band / Ring of Spell Power.. i don't know if many people have cold resists that are very high. As a fire mage people tend to have high resists so the -20 would help a lot and the +spell dmg is just always nice. I really like the +sta on the Don Ridrigo's Band.

Scorps 01-12-2006 11:42 AM

I would go with Don Rodrigo for your mage. I would also us it for my mage, but my mage is fire/arcane spced, never did like frost!

Crack 01-12-2006 11:45 AM

yeah, the stam is nice, but 70 extra HPs really don't help me too much, also, the +to crit is almost useless with shatter (+50% to crit on frozen targets)
890-900ish regular frostbolts make me want as much +damage as I can get, switch on Arcane Power..gg 2600 crits

Scorps 01-12-2006 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackprogram
yeah, the stam is nice, but 70 extra HPs really don't help me too much, also, the +to crit is almost useless with shatter (+50% to crit on frozen targets)
890-900ish regular frostbolts make me want as much +damage as I can get, switch on Arcane Power..gg 2600 crits


2600 crits with arcane...WOW, highest i got with my fire is 2400+

im speced like 32fire and like 30arcane(something like that, I need to check)

Crack 01-12-2006 12:09 PM

2600 crits, but only around 5400mana 3200 HP... bah and then, only every 3 mins. when I get ToEP, ZHC I am gonna be a 1 shot wonder...lol

edit:
I wish I could spec 32 fire/30 arcane... that would be nice :lol:

lagoonguy 01-12-2006 07:16 PM

what happened to deathwing??? I have 2 characters on 2 servers. logged in and deathwing is NOT an option all of a sudden. hopefully it's jsut a server reboot.

Scorps 01-12-2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackprogram
edit: I wish I could spec 32 fire/30 arcane... that would be nice :lol:


Well I can;t remember the numbers.


and on a side note right now im waiting in Queue /cry

Frosstbyte 01-13-2006 03:06 AM

This is a cool shot I took in Razorgore's room while waiting for people to show up for our broodlord-chromaggus clear the other night.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...006_190948.jpg

Xazy 01-13-2006 04:08 AM

Damn very cool pic!

I just started getting into PvP fun, got to love those sweet rewards and finally I found a part of the game, with much more challange. I loved in EQ the race for spawns against guilds etc... And really missed that aspect in WoW. While in this one you are racing more for titles, rewards, and well fighting someone else, I didn't realize how much fun it was.

ObieX 01-13-2006 04:27 AM

There's some spawns that people race to in WoW. There's those 4 world dragons, and that guy in blasted lands.

Frosstbyte 01-13-2006 10:40 PM

There are currently 6 (technically now 9, if you could quest-related) world bosses. The 4 green dragons that spawn that the emerald dream portals, Kazzak in blasted lands and Azuergos (sp?), a blue dragon who spawns in Azshara. The fights that people get into over them on my server are hilarious. About two spawns of Az ago, there were no fewer than 5 guilds (two horde, three alliance) all fighting over him and trying to hold the tag long enough to bring him down. It was awesome.

In other news, my guild brought Nef down. We're way behind Sere's, but it felt good nonetheless. :D

Halx 01-16-2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xazy
Damn very cool pic!

I just started getting into PvP fun, got to love those sweet rewards and finally I found a part of the game, with much more challange. I loved in EQ the race for spawns against guilds etc... And really missed that aspect in WoW. While in this one you are racing more for titles, rewards, and well fighting someone else, I didn't realize how much fun it was.

There's a Dwarf Priest on my server named Xazy.. hmmmm

Cynthetiq 01-16-2006 11:19 AM

I just did WSG BG yesterday for the first time... that was pretty fun to do I'm going to have to spend some more time there...

Gabbyness 01-16-2006 01:57 PM

No kidding Cyn? Yeah, WG can be a really good time. I enjoy it because when 2-3 of my friends join me, you can really make a difference throughout the entire BG.

Making a difference with 2-3 people in AV is a lot harder. It can be done, especially with ninja'n GYs and such, but I enjoy the team concept in WG more.


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