You had someone cancel over the Druid nerf? That nerf was 100% justified.

The nerf was justified. The severity of the nerf almost certainly wasn't. Blizzard has a habit of using a sledge hammer when all they needed to use was some sandpaper.

What's become obvious in the expansion is that a lot of druids really LIKE tanking in the endgame. While they were unquestionably too good at it-and also unquestionably better than warriors at AE tanking-the solution to the problem would've been to make 1 or 2 of the 4 changes they made to druids AND make warriors better.

The other major druid problem is that their trees are fucked up. It should've been cat/healer/tank and not caster/healer/kittybear. That problem is WAY to embedded to ever fix, though.

I think we can all agree though that Druids being able to take that much dmg while being able to dish about as much dmg as an Arms specced Warrior was a bit ridiculous. I think Blizzard needs to add a threat modifier to their abilities or something. They did go a little overboard with the nerfs, but we'll see if some get changed before going live.

Ya he just taking sometime to cool down, He was are best tank. he also bitched out blizzard on the forums and they banned him.

So many priests are dropping out too. We have been ignored for so long and given so much feedback for possible changes to make our class something worthwhile, only to be told it will never happen...and then they take our ideas and give them to other classes. Oh well, I am still having fun.

I'm having a blast playing BC with my GF and brother. My priest and warrior are both 61 now. I'm not even out of Hellfire Peninsula and I'm still amazed at how much the game has changed. It's very refreshing to see totally new zones since I've been in the same ones since the beginning of 2004 (played closed beta up until release).

My highest level character is only lvl 37. As other people have said, new people start all the time. And even in a pvp server you don't get pwned all the time. It happens some, but there are also a lot of times where you come across the opposite faction when they are your level or lower.

P.S. The game costs about $15 a month if you buy it a month at a time, if you subscribe for the six month blocks its $13 a month. Consider how much you'd play the game in a month vs. how much you'd pay to spend an hour and a half in a movie theatre. The entertainment value gains perspective when you compare it to other activities.

I am playing wow atm because I need somrthing till the release of Warhammer. My question is being I am a hardcore P V P player, but not in the sense in the PVE world more like BG's, what the hell is up with all that friggen dancing around and running in the bg's?
I mean come on if you attack someone square off and fight them not dance in circles then run to your little twink buddies.
I guess I was spoiled by the play style in DAOC where people actually stood and fought.
WOW seriously needs a /stick option so atleast you dont have to turn in circles and dance to fight someone.

People do that because they are used to fighting casters, where if you go behind them at all, the spell they are casting fails. That and the wep speed. It works on melee as well, if you are slow at getting "squared off" with someone to take a swing, then they will get a free hit or 2 on ya.

it's either stand and get killed, or move and have a chance. I'm sure if you fought someone with a 5-foot battle axe with skulls on it in real life, you wouldn't just stand there and swing :thumbsup:

I know if I stand still when fighting my brother (Lasereth) in WoW he will literally kill me in two swings. This is coming from a 61 mage with 3800 HP.

I disagree with WoW needing a /stick option. To me strafing around makes the combat more fun and involved. In DAoC you could just /stick and then line up your attacks, and if you strafed just a little bit you'd miss your attacks. I loved DAoC PvP though don't get me wrong, but I always wished you could've strafed around.

My guild just started guild runs of Karazhan this weekend and we cleared Attumen&Midnight and Moroes so far but we are stuck on the Maiden of Virtue. A pally would trivialize this fight but there aren't many on our server that are 70 yet (we have a 67 though). I must say though, Karazhan is extremely fun. The boss fights are very interesting and take a lot of coordination. This seems to have breathed new life into the game for me and some of my friends.

go to Strath first, get a disease that lasts for 10 mins, summon back, make sure not to cleanse the healers, there is one that does like 20 damage every 5 seconds for 10 mins, I can't remember the name of it, but that's how we killed her. Cheap, but effective

I will definitely do that! thanks!

Actually, two shamans trivialize that encounter. With two grounding totems, no one ever takes a holy fire or the holy bolt. You can have a healer who's on top of their game to run into the consecrate for repentance or just HoT up the tank.

once you learn her encounter she really isnt bad. As lokus says it does take healers to be on top of their game and know where to move and when to avoid that stun. Here's a tip you may find useful if you dont already know: Spoiler: The holy fire will usually hit the person who is closest to the outer edge of her melee range.

check out my uber uberness:

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we have been laying grounding totems and me and another priest having been stacking Renews on our tank. I also tried the running into the consecrate for repentance and it helped a lot. We also tried having one person just out of melee range and everyone else spread out further away but she would still holy fire random people. Maybe she was just bugging out. We are going to try her again tonight I think.

Thanks for the suggestions!

From what i hear they changed her around a bit this patch. We skipped her tonight and went strait to romeo and juiet (1shot their asses!) and curator (1shot his bitch ass too) .. actually we 1shot the first boss and didnt wipe on moroes either :D Which is badass considering they nerfed the Luffa this patch.

Then we proceeded to shade of aran and wiped 4 times before we ran out of time for the night (we did get him to about 10-15% twice tho.)

No I wouldnt, but if someone with a 5 foot axe swung it at me and i evaded it he would be so far out of position he wouldnt be able to run around in a circle before i stuck my knife in his chest.:thumbsup:

WoW needs it because there are so few attack options, it is a very basic game, most melee types have 2 or 3 styles and its rinse and repeat, the game was made imo for 12 year old caster boys, where range rules.
I see it in the styles rogues get where there isnt 1 powerful frontal stealth attack style,

I just have a hard time justifying the money considering how little I play. I might spend 3 or 4 hours a wekk MAXIMUM on any of my games. So 13 or 15 a month just to be able to PLAY a game?...I dunno. I guess if I actually PLAYED the game I might change my mind.

Consider this... you go to the movies 2x for 4-6 hours of entertainment on 2 maybe 1 day. Here (NYC) cost of movies is $11.50.

So considering if you played 3-4 hours a week, $15/mo is still a bargain since your entertainment dollar/hr is $.93/hr based on your 3-4/week

If you started playing WoW odds are you'll spend WAY more than that playing :p

Considering I have a family of 6, movies are not an option, we rent videos...lol.
AND the money spent on videos is for the whole family. I don't think my wife and kids would like to sit around and watch me play video games.lol.
But seriously, I just don't know if I could dedicate the time required per month for a reasonable cost. Sometimes I spend 6 or 7 hours a week playing, but then might not play again for almost a month. Now if they allowed 30 GAME days of play, where if you only played say 10 days this month, and 10 days next month, for 20 days of played "pay" time, then I could consider it. I just hate the fact that you have to pay SOME amount every month. Of course I wish that I had thought of this. you KNOW that Blizzard is making enough money they could probably GIVE the games away and STILL make a mint off Payed play time!

That's one of the reasons why they sell 60 day cards, you can play for 2 months and it's over at that point so you don't have to have any recurring credit card fees. I see it no different than usage for cellphone/telephone, this happens to be a video game. My wife and I play so it's a good time for both of us.

I don't use up all my minutes every month and whatever rolls over, please, what makes one think I'd ever use those up too boggles the mind.

Are you saying that your game time is minute by minute? or your cel phonse usage rolls over?...

comparing the cingular rate plan I have to WoW. I pay for an inordinate amount of time that I'll never use, but know that I enjoy the time that I do which is ultimately what matters.

So you decide to spend $20 for the game and $30 for a 60 day card... whoop, you spent $50. If you enjoyed it and had fun, then it's money well spent.

So, has anyone tried any Heroic instances?
We tried out heroic Durnhold Keep the other day...Let's just say the 1st boss 1 shot our warrior, for 12230 HP...

lol crack!!

that's awesome.

We have cleared Slave Pens on heroic not easy but having the best geared of the guild we did it.

The "easy" heroics, in my opinion, are slave pens, underbog and blood furnace. You can get the first three badges out of Mechanar pretty damn easily, too (the gatekeeper demons drop badges), but after that the difficulty ramps up CONSIDERABLY without the enslave trick that they patched out. With the right group steamvaults isn't horrible, either. I should note that attempting ANY of these without a warlock or a mage as one of your DPS is foolhardy at best. The amount of reliable CC you lose essentially makes it pointless to do them without one.

Personally, I think underbog is a lot easier than slave pens, except for the mobs at the end which start to hit for 9k+ on a well-geared tank, so if you're having success clearing sp, try moving on to that. Warlocks, I think, make the best cc (for taking care of the early pulls), but mages work just fine on the later humanoid packs near the hydra too. Happy hunting.

Boo! Don't forget about hunters! Not to toot my own horn or anything but hunter can CC as well. It's not as reliable as sheep or seduce but it works on any type of mob and hunters have dodge and mail armor to survive a hit or two if it breaks or they get aggro. Plus there's got to be someone to roll on the bows and guns ;)

Anyway, today is the 2 month anniversary of Burning Crusade! I don't know about everyone else but I'm loving it. Sure, it's more of the same more or less but I find the 70's instances more interesting and fun than say, Stratholme or UBRS. Karazhan is lots of fun too, no more clearing 2 hours of trash to fight a boss then clear an hour more of trash. The fights are pretty cool too, you have to stay on your feet on fights like Aran and Malcheezar. Well, maybe I like Karazhan because the Prince finally dropped this for me: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.ht...US;source=live heh.

I love this bow, hits like a truck. I've been owning it up in the 3v3 and 5v5 arenas with this thing. Aimed shot crits for 3600 and autoshot hits for 700-800 on clothies.

Wow Lokus thats a damn sweet bow, I hope to start running Kara now that I finally cleared Black Morass.

I am a hunter. Doing a heroic with two hunters might work, but traps are notoriously unreliable and difficult to reapply. A hunter and a rogue can do it, but expect to wipe/have near misses much more often. We're solid, but pairing a hunter with a warlock or a mage makes for a MUCH smoother run than any of the alternatives.

They're no more unreliable than sheep, it's just that they're harder to reapply. With the proper talents, you can make sure your trap is never resisted and lasts longer. Even without those talents, I have no problem chain trapping on Moroes for 2+ minutes although I do have the set bonus from Beast Lord.

Sheep are crap Pigs is where its at.

I find pigs to be the best but I am a mage so maybe thats why, But I also have a 60+ Rogue and saps work great but when times up you gotta be ready or run. Polymorph is great because its reapplyable(sp).

Oh, so I hate Curator a bunch. We cleared the Opera event (Oz and Crone) on our first shot and Maiden on our second shot this week but we hit the brick wall that is Curator. Screw that guy.

Curator is all about positioning and control. Even though he's timered you should have NO PROBLEM making the 10 minute mark if your raid is in a mix of 70 instance gear and pre-curator Kara gear. Seriously, you can basically ignore that part of the fight.

You want FEW melee for this fight because his hit box isn't all that big and you don't want them chaining together up there. We have 1 tank in arcane resist gear to be a hateful bolt tank and 1 tank in normal defense gear to tank the guy. Both tanks need to go hard. Our one rogue is primarily in charge of running around killing the little charges that spawn. Have healers and ranged DPS spread out in a 200 degree-ish arc with a comfortable amount of room between both the melee area and each other. If you're getting more than 1 chain, people are too close. ALL ranged dps pulls off him and kills the charges ASAP then can return to him between spawns. During evocate, make sure the spawn is dead and then blow all CDs on him.

At 15% have your MT pop shield wall and have your healers spot heal on everyone else. Put all your dps on him and burn. He'll drop quick.

Thats basically what we have been trying to do, I just keep going out of mana by the time his second evocate comes. I blow two super mana pots and my shadowfiend by then, its pretty ridiculous. I have 1100 or close to it +healing unbuffed and 10.5k mana, you would think it would be enough. I just think we might need a better group makeup for him. Our positioning seems ok. The flares just aren't going down fast enough and its making us healers go oom healing everything. The videos I have seen might be a tactic we could try. 3 melee burn the flares really fast because if they get to the clothies it taxes the healers a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOoZAuuT41k

don't hurt me

Fel mana potions regen 3200 mana over 24 seconds so you can to use it earlier and have a bigger effect. It reduces healing by 25 but it's worth it. Don't use your shadowfiend until the 2nd Evocate if possible. Keep prayer of mending up on the tank. It will bounce between him and the offtank for full effect which is nice. My guild is having the same problem. We'll run ourselves out of mana when the dps falls behind on the adds. goodluck

My priest is 66 and my warrior is 67. BC is AWESOME!!!!

Right now I'm having a tough choice over how to get my warrior a new 2-hander at 70. I would do a blacksmithing 2hander but it takes 2500g+ to get BSing to 375, without the costs of the damned 2-hander. Plus I have 300 engineering right now and I don't really wanna drop it. I'm gonna be doing the arena no matter what so I think I'll just get a 2hander that way.

Have you seen the 2h called 'Despair?' That thing is fucking insane, but it drops in Karazhan off of Julianne.

Stupid damn Blizzard. I hate you for making good games.

I just activated my WoW account again. :(

Anybody else play on Blood Furnace? :P

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4...3187iz7.th.jpg

got it 2 weeks ago. I'm wearing my healing getup cuz it matches tho :)

My account expired today and I'm having serious thoughts about not re-activating. Healing priests are absolutely useless. In a 25 man raid you only NEED 1 (with a shit-ton of sacred candles) for improved Fort and Spirit. You're better off going with a bunch of Shaman and Paladins for sheer amount of unique buffs they can provide. Now they are nerfing mining by moving veins closer to mobs, and having mobs agro when you begin mining. This is bullshit because as a holy priest the only reason I mine is because I can't kill shit. This doesnt hurt DPS classes that already have absolutely no problem making money. It hurts the classes that can't farm to begin with. The holy priest, the prot tank, the resto pally/shammy.. Sure I can spend 50g to respec shadow but then I'm better off farming motes considering I would have to respec back in a few days because of raid. Grr.. Maybe my hunter will be worth playing at 70... only 15 more levls

I know exactly what you mean, my main is a holy priest and it sucks so much. 2.1 is going to make a lot of problems as well. WoW seems to be more of a chore lately than a game.

Shauk, did you or do you play on Kil'Jaeden? I think I've seen your name around a long time ago when I still played my Shaman. I have a 67 BE Rogue now though, on KJ. Grats on Despair btw.

Almost hit the 8K range with a Fireball Crit
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yep, thats me.

new name is Mahisasura.

I personally run around on Malorne-Alliance side.

If anyone is around, look up Adellena-mage, Tyrassa-priest, Tonin-Paly

So I feel like I'm finally coming into my stride with WoW. I've found something I really enjoy--battlegrounds! I know, I know...they've been around forever, but when BC came out I rolled a BE mage on my roommate's server. Playing Horde-side is a totally different experience. I've been playing like crazy.

The one thing that bugs me is I feel like I'm finally making in-game friends...but they're all on different realms! If anyone's realm plays with Tichondrius in crossrealm pvp and sees Valestia in 29 AB, say hey.

Heh, I play in the same battlegroup as you snowy. I have a 29 BE Mage as well, but I play on Kil'Jaeden. Canceled my account last night though, but I have until May 18th til it expires. Look for a Mage named Tip. :D

Shade of Aran can diaf. imo

shade of aran was the 1st cockblock my guild ran into, after that it's pretty smooth sailing up to nightbane

Just throwing it out there but I'm re-rolling alliance on Korgath...started a guild with my buddy named: Skull. It's badass, I know. If anyone is interested or plays on Korgath send me a message (private or in-game [My name is: Natty]) and we can become WoW friends. Huzzah.

I haven't played in several months so tell me... has anyone reached the end of the new content?

Not yet, that I'm aware of. I believe guilds are working on the last boss, or bosses, in Tempest Keep - but nobody's even gotten to Hyjal yet. I stopped playing a few months ago, but one of my good friends still keeps me in the loop a bit.

What UI are you using? I've seen quite a few pictures of that same style - where can I find it? Thanks.

There are probably close to 30 guilds worldwide that have killed all but the last boss of Serpent Shrine Cavern. Of those, I think 5 can kill all but the last boss of Tempest Keep as well.

Lady Vashj is widely thought to be unkillable in her present form, as C'thun was for a long time. Two kills have happened, but they were both achieved through either a straight bug in the coding of the encounter (she dropped 30% life instantly on Nihilum's) and Method exploited a bug that let them tank mobs that should've been untankable.

The phoenix boss in TK is widely thought to be unfinished, though a few people have killed him and can repeat their kills. He might just be hard, I haven't seen the encounter. Kael'thas is also probably unkillable at the moment. I haven't heard of anyone making significant progress on him.

Presumably they will be fixed when 2.1 hits and both Hyjal and BT become available. I would guess there will be a flurry of kills before the content is abandoned for the new BT and Hyjal bosses. Though everyone's going to have to kill them to get into Hyjal anyway.

I've pretty much stopped raiding at this point. I'm busy with other things and it's really really lame to be a PvE hunter. So it goes.

As much as I enjoy the PvP of WoW, I've come to the realization that this is more a PvE game than anything else. I don't want to do arena and I'm tired of idiot PuGs. My guild is too casual to become a dominant PvP force and I don't want to leave friends behind and join a guild where I know no one. Here's to hoping Warhammer Online brings back real PvP.

Its called Bongos

http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/downl...n-bars/bongos/

its got so many options its so cool



I took my rogue back to the BG's the other night for the first time, had a blast but I guess all servers are different. and the Horde have been trying to raid SW and failing :D

My main is a Rogue and I can hold my own pretty well. I guess I'm just frustrated with having to PuG 100% of the time. My arena partners don't even play anymore so arena is out (that's why I don't want to do it, otherwise I would.) So my situation boils down to suck it up and PuG all day and slowly but surely get my gear, or just cancel (acct expires on the 18th of this month) and play DotA or my 360.

Im in a raid guild so there is always someone online ether on there main or an alt so there is always something to do...My guild seems to run more heroics now a days then anything else.

I rerolled a warrior, i'm more casual than anything with my new job and whatnot.

paladins are just so support oriented that it makes me sick, I'm sorry I can't be bothered to have 4 people attatched to my ass everytime I wanna go farm, pvp, or just do whatever.

great support class, sucks at everything that makes any class soloable though.

I envy druids, at least they have a degree of itemization that actually helps thier physical dps forms. Paladins get stuck with a physical dps tree and a bunch of healing/spell damage gear. DOES NOT FIT.

(yea yeah i know, at least thiers t4/5 but even that is lacking, and I figured, even if they did fix itemization, I'd still look like a god damned fruit fucker, at least warriors look badass, and are actually GOOD at whatever they spec for, if not the best (pvp or tanking)

/endrant

never rolled a Pally, but sad to hear that I love my Mage but also liking lots of melee as of late.

Woohoo! Just got this tonight, it's the first epic I've gotten that I've been able to use.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../Sulthraze.jpg

Nice! That should at least last you until 60.

WoW sounds like a lot of fun! Most of my friends play it but it also sounds pretty expensive over the long run :grumpy: so I'm pretty undecisive if its worth getting it...

It is pretty expensive if you just look at cost over time, however, when you look at entertainment time vs. cost you get a much better idea of whats going on. Most people will spend approximatly $15 to go to the theatre and spend an hour and half watching a movie. For the same cost you can spend many, many hours during a month playing WoW and being entertained by it.

MageB4, that sword must be absolutely crushing faces at lvl 53. Sheesh.

I was liking 2h with my warrior but 2 1h's is much faster, but mine are also enchanted

Yes, that they're expensive is a common misconception, because MMOs actually save you money. But you'll pay with your life. :lol:

(I suppose if your life sucks it could be an improvement.)

Who the hell spends $15 to go to a movie?? That shit costs $5.25 where I live.

maybe he buys popcorn and candy...i have a friend that does that each and every time, even after stuffing himself with food prior to the movies.

In NYC costs me $11.50, and on opening night you have to use Fandango or other service so add $1.00 to that and that doesn't include popcorn or anything else. and no there are no such things as matinees in Manhattan for movies.

Well, maybe he buys popcorn and candy every time he sits down to play WoW too. If he plays every day, that gets pretty expensive.

Just seems easier to say that WoW costs less than fifty cents a day, but maybe that's just me.

Nice, that's a pretty rare item to craft.

it cost 8.50 here

eh, I completely quit, cancelled all 3 accounts, deleted 11 gigs of installations/expansions/addons.

I wash my hands of this waste of my life.

Another one call it quits :(

I have cut back on play time for the summer but I don't think I could ever quit/

Ah, i love this sword. only took my 14 runs through ZF to get it... I used it till 60 when i respec'd to protection tree. Its still in the bank, also my 1st epic.

I have "quit" 3 times. All mostly to my mage. I just seems lacking somewhere. I'm frost forever. I've fallen into the crutch of survivability. Even in PvP, although my ice block cool down is annoying.

I have alts and such but it boils down to my mage. Ive gotten lazy. Poof im there, poof your dead lol. Invisibility is a waste to me. Its a feint or fade pretty much. Ive used it only once to get outta a pug that went bad one night.

But all in all. I dont think I could ever quit the game. I take a few weeks of a break now and then. Then I'm right back at it.

The guild I'm in on Lothar is casual, but we get the raids done when we need to. And for PvP, we work on it when we have a sizable group.

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Guess what I got the other day.. Now I just gotta get the badass gear to match.

get a better video card :p 26 fps? pooo poooooooo

I usually don't get down below 30fps, I don't really even notice until it gets below 20 though. I don't know if it's because I had alt tabbed a few times or if it's just because I'm right above a ton of npcs fighting infernals that fall from the sky. I'm just happy I got something in the game before any of my braggity(new word?) ass friends did. I'm getting tired of hearing about thier 3rd piece of tier 5 and +2100 healing on their warrior. None of those bastards have a netherdake :P

2100+ healing on thier warrior?!

hahahaha thats so f'd up.

Well, It's most likely NOT 2100.. but he gets pleasure out of taking healer loot that I don't have when nobody in his raid wants it. I can specifically remember him getting Shard of the Virtuous and Masquerade Gown and I know he had a decent collection before he got those. I got the gown then finished my primal mooncloth set the next day so I vendored it :)

Any World of Warcraft players around ?
 

hey guys (and ladys)

im kinda new to this place =]

i particilary like online gaming like world of warcraft etc, i was wondering am i the only one here ? =]

not by a long shot :) Server?

:) If you didn't hear anywhere else :)

ANOTHER EXPANSION!!!!

WoW: The Wrath of the Lich King

I was at BlizzCon, and was rather surprised that they were already planning another expansion -- or at least announcing it. There were hundreds of people lining up to play what they had available - same with Starcraft II.

I'm looking forward to SC2 more than WOTLK :) I got my T4 shoulders and netherray mount on my hunter the other day woot! I still look like ass since they haven't fixed orc shoulders yet.

Anyone know the details about the Death Knight? Is it a 1-70 character or paladin only at lvl 80? And WTF? They promised hero classes in the original game. Theyre such liars.

Right now, it's going to be an unlockable class through a questline similar in difficulty to the epic warlock mount at level 60.
When you create your DK, he will start somewhere between level 55-70, and can be any race.

They don't use mana/rage/energy. They use a system of "runes" inscribed on their weapons that are put on a cooldown when used to activate their abilities. They will be a DPS/Tank hybrid and will be able to tank with 2handers(which is the craziest idea imo, warriors will cry so much over this).

www.unholyaura.net basically tracks any info related to the death knight, and that is mostly what they've found out. Of course as the CM's have stated, most of this is subject to change.

Also, been waiting for Death Knights to be introduced since release. Played a Shadow Knight for years in EQ and I've just always been attracted to the whole unholy knight thing. I will definately buy the expansion and unlock/play one even if they suck as bad as Warlocks used to.

my solution to not burning out is twinking. it's actually taken over levelling for me. the highest i've gotten to with any of my characters is 57.... but i have 6 29's geared to the teeth.

it's kinda like having a really advanced version of street fighter II where i can jump into a ctf match with dhalsim or ryu or chun li.

That confuses me in a lore sense. Why would a death knight be working for the alliance or horde? By definition I thought a death knight had to be working for the lich king. Or at least created by him. And why would he create death knights that wouldn't work for him/go against him? Also, night elf or gnome death knight? That'd be weird. Blizzard really doesn't seem to care about their lore at all.

from what I saw it kind of seems like the death knights might on their own agenda

It seems that the DK's for the Horde are working for themselves, and the ones for Alliance are trying to "atone" for their sins. Both pretty flimsy reasons.

From a lore standpoint, Death Knights would probably be Forsaken only, as they are all undead creatures who now have "free will". Abominations, Banshees, Ghouls etc. Death Knights would fit right in.

I don't think Blizzard has stated the lore reasons yet anyway. It's still very early and things are subject to change.

Just quit this weak ass game, what a waste of a year, atleast I got 300 dollars for my hunters acct, pvp is terrible. I started playing because all my friends and guildies from daoc came to play wow. Now half of us went back to playing DAOC, still the best pvp system ever made on a mmo imo.

Anyone want a free twink acct, has a 29 hunter and rogue very well geared, pm me.

Hey. This is my first post in quite some time. Figured i'd drop in and say hey to anyone who might remember me. At any rate i've been playing this game for...well i have 192 days played, over 2 toons, 70 warrior-raggalopps and 70 mage - Phrack...both on the Kul Tiras server. the warrior was my main pre BC, then retired him just before I really started in on KZ. Phrack gets most the attention these days, with a pretty tight raiding schedule and a good group of people in my guild. We have KZ cleared by 3 groups every week, have the High King and Gruul on farm status. We're currently workin on Void Reaver and Mag..who knows, maybe this week is our lucky attempt. if anybody is on kul Tiras look me up!

As a side note about the new expansion annoncement...imagining the time that is going to go into that is overwhelming. I'll worry about it when it gets released I guess.