For the strategy I posted, at least, doing it without at least 8 druids/locks is going to be really really tough. The dragons tend to do way too much damage for them to be easily kited. Good luck, Hal! I expect Nefarian reports soon.

Here's my character with Rank 8 PVP:
<img src="http://www.appstate.edu/~jt52439/punch.jpg">

My 3 main chars!

Lucildence - 60 - (Fire)Mage
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/other/lucil_01.jpg
Averdrigit - 51 - Rouge
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/other/aver_01.jpg
Paintrain- 41 - (shawdow)Priest
http://home.cogeco.ca/~tylerdonlon/other/pain_01.jpg

All on Windrunner!

http://mrflux.orcon.net.nz/wow/lyk2.jpg

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?79102

GS boots and DS pants in the same run, finally getting some decent armor!

Take those two points out of savage strikes and put them in survivalist! 4% more HP is much better than 20% crit chance on raptor strikes with the rest of your spec, in my opinion, since it doesn't look like a hardcore PvP spec where that'd be useful.

In other news, congrats on the gear. We've had rag drop double judgement twice in the two months since we saw our last pair of DS leggings. Sigh.....

We do Razorgore with 2-3 druids and 2-3 warlocks. It can be done, but like you said, it freaking sucks. Warriors should be using thunderclap on the dragonkin since piercing howl doesn't affect them. Make sure the warriors have speed boots too. :)

I got DS pants tonight too! I have basically no DKP left, though, since I spent so much. Oh well, it was worth it. Sweet sweet purple victory.

OK, I have gone on and off on my WoW subscription, and I haven't even gotten to any decent game content of any sort (highest lvl char being lvl 15 :P) due to the fact that my problem (at least I think it is) is that I think my computer can't handle traversing through main cities, as soon as I attempt a run to the auction house during peak hours, I'm hit with a wall of lag that makes going 10 feet endless; I don't think it can be my internet since my speed is 4mb/s and I know im on a west coast server (I live in Alaska btw) so I thought maybe it is my computer.

I have a fairly aged Gateway

2.4 GHz Pentium 4
512 RD RAM
Running Windows XP Pro
and a GeForce 4 Ti 4200

could my lag really be contributed to the RAM and GPU?

I'm running very similar specs on an aged Dell (only 256MB RAM for me tho), yet have none of the lag issues you describe. I only get massive lag in Stormwind/Ironforge. Everywhere else is peachy-keen for the most part.

It's doubtful that it's your computer. Try logging in at different times of the day.. most likely it's just lag because there's a shit ton of people on when you are.

Hrm I dunno, I find savage strikes is great in the little PvP I do. And against Lava Annihilators.

Was a little iffy on the Surv talents to pick seeing as I was going from 0/21/30 to 5/21/15, but I quite like the setup I've got now.

Can't wait til one of our hunters finishes his DS set (he's at 7/8 now), the DPS increase from Expose Weakness should be tasty after they make it unresistable in 1.10.

Man I had the exact same problem and I have the exact same machine two things though I have 1 GB RAM and now I have a GeFOrce 6600GT 265 RAM and my machine hums in the big cities, and I play on a server that has a queue in the afternoon. All I had to do was get the RAM and the video card and it works great now. I would get frame skips and such nothing to bad but got on my nerves. If you have titan bar you can put on the addin for performace and see what you are running at that should tell you whether its time to upgrade.

Oh ya and how come no horde pics.

Halx-

Have you gone any further with Razor? I'm not sure why 'locks and druids are important for you. I assume maybe you play an alliance character? For us we put one 5-man group in each corner (entries for baddies). There needs to be a healer, a melee DPS, a mage and whatever else in each. Those groups attack ONLY casters that come into the room (mage is there to poly in the event of a double-caster). Several shaman kite the dragonkin the whole fight. I'm not 100% sure what we do with the Lego's, but they are also primarily kited I believe. In the end, when the Razorgore encounter starts, we've killed all casters and left the Lego's and Dragonkin alone. Since they leave anyway, it's no big deal. Razor has been our bitch for a while now, so this tactic works well for sure. We just beat Nef for the second time this week. The hardest fight in BWL still seems to be Vael. Man, that bastard hits HARD when he hits. Now that we have the strat for Nef down pat, even he's not too hard. Seems to take 15-20 minutes each time, but I think this week we took out Nef with only 2 or 3 deaths throughout the whole fight. w00t!

I finally managed to deck myself out in full epics! Some of them are kind of shitty, but I hope to upgrade those soon. As long as they're purple and shiny I'm pleased :)

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?449122

That's my character, in full purple goodness. If you want a laugh, look at my reputations page :P

A good friend of mine, a mage, just picked up his Mageblade last night to go with his Fire Runed Grimoire. Very good pairing :) I'm working on getting all purples, but I've got a long long ways to go.

I CAN'T LOG ON!!

/wrists

Wow looks like you had fun kicking the crap out of the Booty Bay and all the others... :crazy:

VAELASTRASZ THE CORRUPT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!

3 nights of attempts and we got him. Man that suppression room looks hideous.

The broodlord clear is much easier than it looks. Half the problem is that it just looks intimidating. Once you get a pattern down, it's a pretty boring 20 minute clear to a pretty hilarious boss. I love the broodlord fight, myself.

Hilarious boss, eh? Ill have to find some shots or a vid :)

you bet i did!

I never did like Booty Bay maybe I should go smash the place to hell with my mage!

It CAN be kind of annoying not to be able to use the gadgetzan FP to get to Silithus... but the hat was worth it if you ask me.

You get a hat??

Once you get friendly with the Bloodsail Buccaneers, you can talk to Fleet Master Firallon on one of their ships, who gives you a quest for this hat: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=12185

The quest is pretty damn hard considering all the bruiser spawns that blizz have added, basically you need to fly in from Grom'gol and almost immediately kill one of the npc's, die, rez at the other NPC and kill it very very fast, then spirit rez (at least I had to).

The hat is pretty damn nifty though, and it impresses people when you have it :P Not a lot of Bloodsail Admirals running around usually. Also, the Bloodsail NPC yells your name in Stranglethorn Vale when you complete the quest, so it's fodder for your e-peen. Makes good screenshots too :)

Oh thats cool I might just do that:D to bad there is no intell!

All of the servers, including the WoW website, are down. Any news on what's up? I got the patch to install successfully.

Finally got through to the forums. There was an update at 6:30EST on the tech support forums that they're having problems with bringing up the servers and there's no new ETA.

Looks like we're not playing tonight. Bah. I'm going to get a sandwich.

Just installed the game after getting off work today, and this is what i get. Guess i'll be going back to SWG.

Got my leaf two days ago, black (and blue! lucky farming in WS) sinew yesterday.. and today the server's down.

Bastards, I want to get my Rhok'Delar.

How is blizzard still breaking their servers at this point in the game? It's been well over a year. How hard is it to patch? Glad I wasn't planning to raid tonight anyway.

Let me know if you have any extra money if you're blowing it for absurd reasons like that. I need about $30,000.

We have Blackwing Lair tonight so it's totally fucking over our schedule. :( They're updating the server hardware of ALL launch servers on top of the mentioned ones...so at least the instance lag should be gone.

tell me you aren't judging WoW for one moment of down time.........

it rarely happens, and usually only on a patch day. give me a break. sounds like you didn't want to give up SWG in the first place. go back to inferior trash, fine by us :D

You'll love WoW. No one is perfect, give it a chance. The servers are up today, try it out.

Have you seen what has been added?

As for people who wonder how these things can happen... would you rather a little extra downtime or a... well.. shitty, buggy game?

You're joking, right? The login servers are down like half the fucking time!

Trying to log on to kill Green Dragons now and can't get past Authenticating.

.....and it's right after a patch. Like I said.

I don't know what server you're on, but Bleeding Hollow is up a majority of the time. I think people remember the bad things (not being able to log in) and forget the good things (you can log in an overwhelming majority of the time perfectly)

The login servers aren't down "half the fucking time" on ANY server. Else there wouldn't be 6,000,000 customers.

it just takes a few extra seconds to get past authenticating, it happened to me just now.

Yeah, this is the first time in about 4-5 months that the servers have been officially down for more than an hour or two past the schedule maintenance. Sometimes it takes a few seconds to get past authenticating, but that's certainly different than the actual servers being down. WoW has had great uptime for about 6 months now...yesterday's patch was the first hinderance in a looong time. It was annoying, but I'm not surprised with the magnitude of this patch (especially with it not being an official content patch).

damn.. it's taking a long while to authenticate.... skogafoss is already playing.. and I"m still waiting for the toon screen.

Its not so much the servers being down, it's more just problems with the game in general e.g. long login times, world servers crashing, action lag (where chat is fine but you can't do other shit)...

All happening today, and has been on and off for the last month or so on our server.

Good for you that your particular server isn't having problems, however the server I play on certainly is having MANY problems.

I play on 6 different servers and have never had any problems except once. and I have been playing from the start.

Windrunner has had its problems but latly its been ok!

Since I've been unguilded for a little while with no end to that in site on my main, me and a lot of other disgruntled 60's with pimp gear and BWL experience rerolled on one of the new servers so we can get back at the forefront of PvE, maybe be among the upper eschelon of this server. It's an interesting proposition, hopefully the whole guild sticks to it.

-Absurd, lvl 18 Tauren hunter, Executus

I swear this game owns my soul. I sold my soul to blizzard for $15 a month. As far as my character goes, I have a 60 mage on destromath. His name is: Frewdicket (random generated name) I'm one of the 2 Guild masters of one of the largest guilds on the server. Not sure exactly our real rank, but I know we are in the top 5. Anyways, no matter how much I try to quit thing thing I just keep finding myself back on.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burni...all/wisps.html

Lmao.

Racial Traits:

* Detonate: Destroys the wisp, dispelling all magical buffs and draining 50 mana from each unit in an area around the wisp.
* Gatherer: Skill to herbalism, mining, and skinning increased by 10.
* Permanent Death
* Treeform: Turns the wisp into a tree for 30 seconds. During this time, spirit is increased by 300. However, the wisp's chance to dodge or parry axes is reduced by 50%.

PERMANENT DEATH.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/theodork/ss.jpg

Anyone ever left a guild from whom you've acquired a lot of experience and equipment but whose system just isn't working out for you anymore?

My guild has graudally done enough stupid crap that I'm tired of putting up with that I'm seeking alternatives. On the other hand, I have received 2xGS and 4xDS, epic rings, neck and cloak from the guild and being in the guild has taught me really all I know about endgame raiding. The guild just isn't going in a direction that I like and I don't have the confidence in the officers that I feel like I should have to be a good part of the team.

When I get another offer, I'm going to take it, but I wondered if any of you had any advice how I might say good bye to my old guild, thank them for all they've provided me and wish them luck without seeming like the guy who cashed out on epics and disappeared. If you've any thoughts, I'd apprecaite it.

we had a bunch of people leave our guild for various reasons (mostly because they were Taco and Tiras alts.)

Just leave the group without burning bridges... you never know when you'll encounter someone in play either as their main or as an alt.

Remember the toes you step on today may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow.

New pix of my new armor!

http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/newarmor1.jpg



http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/newarmor2.jpg

Come a long way from your SS's not so long ago, Las. I love looking through this thread from time to time to see how far we've all come. Pretty wild.

Despite my best efforts, I seem to have done a fine job of burning not one but two bridges in my latest guild shuffle. I had everything set up to avoid precisely this problem, but fate conspired to prevent my plan from happening.

(for those who care to hear the rant, read on, for those who don't, feel free to stop here, it's wordy, but I need to get it out, again, feel free to skip it if you aren't interested in my ranting)

I've been unsettled about my guild and its direction for a while, say a month and a half or so. There have been ongoing issues that have simmered but I looked past until other, more serious, issues collected them and pushed me over the edge. We've had a mess of trouble in AQ and with the world spawn green dragons, both in terms of execution and participation and it's created a very negative atmosphere that I wasn't very happy with. The two big things were a lack of raid invites recently (I hadn't seen a raid before the MC raid below for over two weeks) and our gross incompetence at killing ORBs.

So I did some looking. The first guild to kill Nefarian worldwide (Drama) put up an advertisement that it was recruting hunters. Naturally, I sent over my application. After about two weeks, they'd accepted a few hunters, so I figured the spot was full and I should just move on. A bunch of my friends from my previous guild are in another guild on the server called The Hammer Clan (THC), which isn't far behind Drama progression-wise (Drama can get C'Thun to phase II, THC is about to kill the twin emps). I talk to the guildmaster of THC and has says both that they have quite a few hunters and that a few people from my guild (Servants of Justice/SoJ) have app'd or joined THC recently and he doesn't want to make it seem like THC is headhunting SoJ members, but that he'd take a look at my application. So I send one in on Friday.

Yesterday, I have no offers, I have two applications out and haven't heard a word back about either one, so I'm thinking things didn't work out and I'll just roll with it. We clear MC and cloak of shrouded mists drops. Now, I've wanted that fucker since I first saw it on Rag's loot table months ago and, due to our open bidding auction system had been denied it a number of times. Another hunter bid me WAY up on it, as he did on the DS legs when those dropped a month and change ago. Just to give you some perspective, a full BWL clear is worth 50 AP. An AQ clear (Skeram-fankriss) is worth 60. I below 800 AP on my DS legs and 630 AP on this cloak, which are WAY more than either one has ever gone for, simply because they're both items I really wanted. I figure I'm not going anywhere because nothing has come of my applications, and I go all in and win the cloak (22 agi, 12 stam, 6 fr, 6 nr, fyi). I'm stoked, because, as I've said, I've wanted this cloak for a year.

Which brings us to today. I'm sitting around Azshara getting water and killing random stuff and I ask the GM of THC what the status of my application is. He's like, "Oh, I told our recruiting officer to move it to the prospects section. I'll do that now." That was all I got. That's, apparently, how he chooses to welcome people to the guild. There was no, "Congratulations, we've decided to accept you" or "here's what we expect of you now that you're a recruit" just what I type, almost verbatim. Whatever, it was an offer to be in a guild that's making good progress and in which I have a lot of good friends.

So I make my good bye post for SoJ, post it and gquit, which was rough. I got about 2 million tells about it and, honestly, it wasn't a happy thing to do. There are some really great people in the guild and I'm not looking to screw them over or piss them off, it just wasn't the right place for me anymore.

In the midst of the "OMFGUGQUIT" tells, the GM of Drama sends me a tell. "Hey, we had a really active hunter quit this morning, so we have a spot available if you want it."

Insert shocked silence here. It's a rare day when you get an offer to join a guild. It's a rarer day when you quit a guild. And it's a very rare day when you get an offer from two guilds less than 15 minutes apart split up by an emotional gquit, and one of those guilds is a guild with some good friends in it and the other guild has the distinction of having been the first guild worldwide to clear BWL. I really didn't know what to do with myself.

So I told the GM of Drama, "Hey, I'm a litle mixed up right now. I could use some time to think about my decision, is that ok?" To which he responded, "Sure, I want you to make an informed choice. Take all the time you need, we have a spot waiting for you if you want it." Cool, some breathing room.

Then I send a tell to one of my good friends in THC teling him about Drama's offer. First he says, "Apparently you were supposed to be approved as a THC recruit a few days ago, I dont' know what happened." He then tells his GM about it, and the GM of THC sends me a tell saying, "So I heard Drama gave you an offer. Our recruitment period is 10-14 days, so if you're interested, you should take their offer." I told him the same thing I told the GM of Drama, "I'm a little overwhelmed right now, I'd like 24 hours to think over it." And his response was, "I don't have time for this...if you have any shred of desire to join Drama, join them, but I won't wait for you to decide."

I don't like being told what to do, so that made my decision rather easy. A GM who understands that 24 hours to make a decision that will effect how hundreds of subsequent hours of play time will be spent speaks a great deal to how he runs his guild in a way that takes into account the needs of its members, in contract to a GM who doesn't seem to care about that. And with that, I joined Drama.

I had a lot of angry former guild mates who think I loot-whored and cashed out my DKP knowing that I was leaving, which I really didn't, and if I did cash out, I certainly paid a serious premium on an item. It usually goes for 250-400 AP. Nowhere in our item-record has it broke the 500 AP mark before last night. So if I had ended up staying (which I thought I'd be doing at the time), I would've been deep in the hole. I feel kind of shitty about having taken a nice item and then left, but it was a very high priority item that I've let others have for cheap in the past because they'd been in the guild longer and, honestly, is the only item I've been going to MC for for the last month.

My friends in THC are all a little pissed at me because they put their necks on the line to get me an invite and then the way things worked out I got accepted and then rescinded my application, which might hurt their standing in their guild. Also, I don't get to be in a guild with them, which pretty much sucks, since I like them all a lot. And I've been told in no uncertain terms that if Drama doesn't work out, I'm not welcome to apply to THC again ever. I don't blame them and it's a natural consequence, but it's an unpleasant consequence.

It just sucks that I'd actively avoided trying to have exactly this happen and then it happened anyway. I put out the app with Drama and Drama alone, waited a healthy amount of time, received no response and safely assumed I'd been tacitly rejected. So I apply to the next guild on my list that isn't actively recruiting but that I might get into because I have friends there. Although they decided to approve me almost immediately, they didn't tell me about it. Through some administrative snafu I didn't hear about my acceptance until I asked them about it some four days later, during which I'd gone to MC and gone all in on a cloak. And THEN Drama invites me.

If either guild had gotten back to me reasonably quickly, this whole thing would've been avoided. I would've either joined Drama or known they hadn't accepted me and then could've app'd THC without having another app "pending" in the meantime. If THC had told me I'd been recruited when they decided I was recruited, I would've gquit SoJ on Saturday and never been on the MC run in the first place. And then for them to both tell me within fifteen minutes of one another? Honestly, what the fuck kind of crazy shit is that?

I really wish the GM of THC had given me some time, because, honestly, I think I would've ended up going there, but at the moment I wasn't ready to have to make the call, and his fairly insensitive response, especially compared to the GM of Drama's very accomodating response, did not bode well for starting off on the right foot with the guild. I'm very glad to be out of my old guild, though I'm sorry I've left looking like a loot whore out to screw them. I'm glad to be in one of the best guilds in the game right now, though I'm disappointed that I have to make new friends, since I don't know anyone in Drama very well. I'm disappointed that I didn't get to join my other friends and that their GM thinks less of me for the decision I felt forced into making.

Just based on tonight, I really like Drama's attitude and players. They act more like a group of friends who play together and less like a job, which is what SoJ always felt like. I think I made the right choice, but the circumstances all make it feel like the wrong choice in the short term.

As one of my RL friends who plays on a different server pointed out, "Dude, it's a game. Join the best guild you can and come drink with me if you need a friend. If they're giving you shit about it, fuck them." I think he's on to something...

If you read this far, feel free to comment or whatever. Thanks for hearing me through.

Not gonna quote, but heres my 2 cents... You made the right choice. Thats all there is to it. People would have been upset no matter how you left. They WILL get over it. A few wont, but they would have been pissed no matter what. THEY need to respect your feelings and desicions... and also try and figure out the problem that brought you to that point.

As for the other guild leader responding the way he did... how could he NOT have time? He had time to sit on his ass and not push the invite through for a few days? Whats this say for his execution on pretty crusial matters. He seemed kinda pissed. But he can only be pissed at himself for not having better execution on matters at hand.

Drama was the way to go. THEIR GL's response seemed more than resonable... it was very understanding.

Heres my point... through the whole ordeal... who seemed to care about what you did the most (in a positive way)? The guild of strangers. I think it will all be okay for you. Dont worry.

And... it IS a game. You pay your money and deserve to have fun too. When it feels like a job, ya gotta change something! :D

I read your post Frosst and I also think you made the right choice. Your RL friend is right, it's a game, join the best guild and have some fun. I know in WoW reputation means a lot, but I'm sure that eventually everyone will get over it. I actually quit a guild that all my RL friends were in to join a PvP guild instead of a PvE. They were all quite upset, but hey, I see them almost every day IRL so what's the big deal? We all share our stories when we get together and all is well.

Man, this internet clan shit is crazy.

Who would've thought?

Oh my god. You cant escape drama. I can't either.

Our guild is trekking back into BWL after having quite a few of the leaders leave recently. It's about fucking time!!

guild drama blows, i agree. i've all but quit my warlock thanks to guild drama not allowing me to get into a new guild after i quit my old one. if i feel like it i'll eventually type up what happened there, basically though, it sucks. plain and simple.

AH, the joys of guild drama. That is why I've not really hit the much end game running. I can't stand that shit. It's a game. I play it have fun. I hate guilds that try and make it a fucking chore to play. Me and my budies at work got so sick of th shit we started out own guild. "Porkchops of Doom". You can tell how serious we are just by the name. We got a few people to join. Well, needed some sigs to start it. Not everybody was on. Was asked about our rules, and realised we pretty much have one. Don't be a dick. Probably won't get very big or do much end game raiding, but most of us are into pvp anyway. Thing to remeber is, it's just a damn game. Some peopel just get way to into it. Speaking of which, it's time to go lvl and melt some faces.

Yea this is why i like my guild. A few people i was guilded with in Everqust that came to WoW stuck together and we have a guild of like 10 people. No drama, no problems.

on a side note, i got my little gnome mage to Marshal :p

If WoW wasn't designed for massive end game raids only, guild drama would be a lot less since a small group of friends and like minded people could still progress well.

Instead you need to sell your soul and join 'uber' guilds if you want to get beyond blue gear.

I dunno...I'm a member of a small guild of friends-only, and our 60s haven't had any problems getting invites to end-game raids.

Ya it gets worse when your GM takes off, after he was the one telling all of his Guild Managers (me a 5 others) to get as many 40+'s in the guild and lvled up for instance play...I think I'm going to leave my 60 mage where she is but take my 56 rouge and move!

My guild took C'thun down tonight. US 15th-ish. Shattered Hand is the only guild to have two kills in the top 20. Go us. Now that it's properly tuned, it's actually quite a lot of fun. Requires a RIDICULOUS amount of coordination, but it's a wild ride.

Our killshot. I'm the second hunter in on the right next to the guy in PvP gear. Everyone laugh at how silly my ZG shoulders look. Then cry because they're better than GS.
http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?i...60054461nk.jpg

Awesome, congrats on the C'thun kill! My guild is getting ready to enter BWL this weekend. We've been doing MC for about two months now, killed Rag (one shotted) for the first time Monday night, and then one shotted him again last night, so it's time to give Razorgore a try.

And yes, unfortunately I agree with you about the GS shoulders vs the ZG shoulders. Still haven't gotten my GS shoulders yet (that and the helm are the two big pieces that I keep getting unlucky on) but I don't quite have the ZG rep for the shoulders.

How long have you guys been working on C'thun before the hotfix, out of curiosity?

This is a side story that entertains me and doesnt' answer the question before I answer the question, but I went out and got smashed with my friends tonight and then came back and signed on. As it turns out, another hunter was leaving, so I got subbed in for Nef and Chrom, and I picked up both DS BP and Therazane's Link, which is awesome. Go random luck and having just the right number of points.

Anyway, Drama has been attempting C'thun for, uh, a long time. I think our first Twin Emps kill was in early-mid February, so I guess we've been working on him for about two months. I joined fairly recently so I only did passes on the un-tuned version for about two weeks. Needless to say, the relief was palpable when he went down

Yea, I know what you mean about just the right number of points - our first Domo kill, I had just enough points to win both the Leaf and the Wristguards of True Flight .. woo. And then I've been feeling bad because the last six weeks have been Eyes of Divinity, but thankfully we got a second Leaf tuesday night.

AQ is such a horrible instance. We killed Ouro tonight, and let me tell you, what a waste of fucking time. The guild probably spent close to 1000g in consumables (mostly greater nature protection pots) for the set pant pieces, lame cloth bracers that are barely and upgrade over Ossirian loot (+1 stam/int, +5 damage/healing on the Ouro vs. -10 resistance on Ossirian) and 100g.

I honestly don't know how it is possible to kill him and not wipe at the end. At 20%, he spawns both scarabs and ground quakes so you can't group up to AE the scarabs and you can't spread out to avoid the ground quakes. Genius encounter design! I don't know if we'll continue to kill him or not. The whole thing is just...ugh.

I haven't been too impressed with AQ in general - we haven't gone to AQ40 yet, but the General Rajaxx encounter in AQ20 seems to be one of the buggiest things I've ever seen. We've been constantly having problems with multiple waves coming at one, waves respawning after they've been killed, Andorov getting stuck in impassable terrain and dying, etc.

The most recent time we killed Rajaxx, Andorov got stuck on impassable terrain and couldn't be healed, even if we were standing on top of him, so he died by the fourth or fifth wave. We finished taking down the waves and started trying to kill Rajaxx, but his knockback kept making our tanks lose aggro, so we graveyard zerged him for the 5 minutes it took to kill him. Expensive and definitely not worth the repair bills. We haven't bothered to go back since.

New patch notes! http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_11_%28preliminary%29

Nice stuff:

* Leather (Light, Medium, etc.) will stack to 20
* Hides (Light, Medium, etc.) will stack to 10
* Cured Hides (Light, Medium, etc.) will stack to 20
* Enchanting Shards (Small Brilliant, etc.) will stack to 20
* Enchanting Dusts (Strange, Illusion, etc.) will stack to 20
* Rogue Poisons (Instant, Crippling, etc.) will stack to 20
* Rogue Poison Reagents (Essence of Pain, Deathweed, etc.) will stack to 20
* Flash Powder will stack to 20

Thank god on the rogue poisons stack.. :D

The Twelve Prophets, my former guild, ended up disbanding and reforming as Predestined (Horde Mannoroth, www.predestinedguild.com) due to extreme GM shadiness. We went through the typical issues you would expect of a guild that had to reform and rebuild, but a few days ago we dropped C'thun to become the third US Horde guild to kill him, and the 4th Horde guild world-wide. I'm not sure what number we are in terms of other PvP servers.

Anyhow, fancy screenshot: (click it for the full-sized one)
http://www.predestinedguild.com/imag...dead_small.jpg

Yeah, now if they will just freaking unnerf stealth.....

Wow, Sere, I had no idea that so much shit happened with 12p. Glad you guys managed to reform and settle back down to take down the hentai monster. Congrats!

Did you quit playing for a while? I remember looking at the 12p website a ways back and not seeing your name on it. Was that during the transition time or did you actually take a break?

Congrats on taking him down Sere, that's pretty damn impressive - especially for Horde :)

I quit 12p in January because of the actions of the GM (awarding himself loot despite all of us officers voting against him, among other things) and helped form Predestined a couple of months later when the rest of the guild left. The GM (Taelon) then stole and sold the 12p guildbank, tried repeatedly to "hack" our site, and tried stirring up months-old drama to cause us to break up (while simultaneously reinforcing every Predestined member's decision to leave 12p.)

So, dropping C'thun was really the ultimate "fuck you" to Taelon -- showing how much stronger we are without him lying, cheating, and stealing from his undeserved throne.

..not that I'm bitter! ;)

Heh, it's always nice to show it back in the face of someone that screws you and succeed in spite of their stupid shit. I couldn't read the thread you linked to without creating an account and logging in, but your "Bounty Hunt" post on the main Predestined board gave a pretty good idea of the crap that went on.

Seems that the guild bank ninja by a guildmaster after a break up is all too common. When one of my old guilds broke up all the officers went to another guild and one of those officers, amazingly, had a thunderfury the next day. Gosh I'm so glad the guild bank bought that for him.

Bitterness aside, you're probably better off without him, since he's going to have to start over and you're killing C'thun, and who can argue with that?

Hey people, I have a question about this game that has me totally addicted:
Is there any place that has a <b>simple list</b> of the Specialty professions?
I'm at that stage with my Warrior blacksmith where I choose Armorsmith or Weaponsmith (same with my Rogue Leatherworker – Elemental or Tribal). I just want to know which Specialty offers what.
I've looked through forums and other sites, I guess I'm not looking in the right areas. Any thoughts?

I've tried
http://thottbot.com/
http://wow.allakhazam.com/
http://www.worldofwar.net/


Mfillmore 43 Dwarf Paladin goblin engineering.
Roolikat 38 NE Rogue Leatherwork
Dagney 45 Human Warrior Blacksmith
Staghelm

I use www.wowwiki.com for looking at different professions, they've got a pretty good guide to them.

Yesterday we dropped C'thun again and got a Dark Edge of Insanity this time! :D Generally we have much worse luck on weapon drops, so I was surprised that we saw it so quickly -- perhaps they changed the drop rate?

If you poked at leaked links of it before, you'll notice that they've nerfed it since prior to AQ gates being opened -- the speed was 3.8 and has been changed to 3.5. The disorient effect doesn't always last for 3 seconds, but it DOES NOT BREAK ON DAMAGE which is insane.

Clicky to see loot shot.
http://www.predestinedguild.com/imag...edge_small.jpg

Perfect! Thanks Pragma, and I also curse you since my 'productivity' at work today is now going to be in the toilet :thumbsup:

Not a problem at all. It's a pretty addictive site in general, just because it has a ton of information about all kinds of stuff. :)

Holy god, grats.

The Dark Edge of Insanity also used to be 395 max damage. It was nerfed because if left the same, the warrior class would be nerfed again.

Lots of stuff happening right now, wow live action movie announced, expan alliance race announced, 1.11 (mage/shaman patch)
It's times like this, I miss playing :(

The WoW live action movie will suck as bad or wose than the Dungeons & Dragons movie.

Thank god the Draenei don't have a stealth-related racial ability -- that's all I have to say about that.

The Shaman talent review is awful. They buff their PvP shit and completely ignore the most underpowered aspect -- totems in PvE raids when compared to Paladin buffs.

The Mage talent review started off really poorly but the recent round of changes has given me hope. Pretty much the most important thing we needed was some form of threat reduction and we are getting that in each tree now, which is really nice.

The movie will be really exciting for the first hour, but the next 15 hours will mostly be leveling.

I've been a 60 mage for ~60 months and I've raided MC and BWL.

Patch for mages SUCKS...ASS...

Lowest dps of caster classes
lowest health
lowest mana
most gear dependancy of caster classes
least util spells (no fear, no single root, no controllable stuns, our CC regens enemies to full health, and our only root is on a 25 sec cool down and it's AE)
our damage tree 31 pt talent (fire: combustion) requires extended period of fire spell nukage for it to be fully utulized, yet fire tree gives a mage almost NO survival mechanisms...

etc...

I rerolled a UD priest on a different server.

I got a 60 human mage Fire/Arcane and I out DPS everyone all the time :D

This is lol-tastic

http://lorelol.ytmnsfw.com/

http://thottbot.com http://wow.allakhazam.com
Here you can find almost everything about WOW.
Rats in silverpine forest drop 1 gold and 57 silver and in eastern plaguelands there are silver putrids near the chapel, they drop from 50 silver to 1,5 gold.
See this Doomulus Prime 200 dmg 22stamina 22 strength.
As I remember in feralas there is a quest for 58-60 lvl horde and there you can get staff like Illusionary Rod which is for all levels.
In onyxia's lair you can get a book which summons a strong skeleton.

I want to think the above is a troll. But I can't quite tell. Suffice to say, I'm confused as to why it exists.

Me too...I think most everyone in this thread already knows about Thottbot...

Yeah plus he joined this month and that was his only post.

Ever have an UNBELIEVABLY FULFILLING duel?

I just killed the most geared, often-considered best, druid on the server in a duel.

Not just beat, KILLED. And he's the same faction as me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/kwsnpwns/vad.gif

I am so incredibly pleased right now. I don't know how it happened, but it did. And it feels good :D

It's just a duel... heh. I know I don't put that much importance into duels other than learning how to adjust to different styles.

It wasn't the beating him that was so pleasing, it was the fact that he somehow DIED. This guy likes to run his mouth and I don't think I could come up with a better outcome to shut him up.

go onto the test server. it's a damn circus. no moderators. it's basically "trash talk server 24/7"

I like to go on there and beat people who are talking trash and then make fun of them and then log.

I was dueling a friend of mine outside of Ironforge once, and killed him out there. If you remember the little decorative fire pits around there, well, he's a warrior and I was kiting him w/ Serpent Sting and Concussive, and Serpent ticked, he dropped to 1HP and lost the duel, and less than a heartbeat later, the fire ticket (he was chasing me and didn't notice it) and dropped dead on the spot.

Took me a while to stop laughing over that one - and I also spent the next week following him around in raids setting basic campfires. :)

C'thun #4 last night FINALLY yielded one of these:

An Alliance guild on our server has three C'thun kills under their belt and they've gotten three of these. :( Nerf Alliance imo.

I fucking hate my guild sometimes. We kill Razorgore, Vael, and Broodlord all on 2 attempts or less (first time ever), try Firemaw a few times and call it a night. Then we formulate a new Firemaw strategy that will help us out a lot, and on the second BWL night we have 3 priests, 3 paladins, and 2 druids log on. BWL cancelled with 45 people wanting to go because we don't have enough healers. UGHHHHHHH

Hrm, I just wish I could get into a raiding guild. The only epics I have I got from a pug MC and tier .5. Seems like none of them are inviting warriors, even if I'm willing to respec to protection.

My server is so inundated with raiding guilds and groups.. it's ridiculous. Killing Ragnaros is *yawn* and even the guilds that everyone said were trash are now killing Nefarian. It's hard NOT to find yourself in an MC group.