Thanks for the advice, I went ahead and started a troll priest on altar of storms named Mucks. If anyone else has a low level character there give me a tell, maybe we can do some instances.

Everyone has some good points. I'm curious to hear what Seretogis has to say about all of this.

News about PvP and the Honor System in the expansion has piqued my interest in returning to WoW, but I'll wait until closer to release to make my decision.

People are always resistant to change, but imo once the 25 man’s are released guilds that actually enjoy being w/ one another and are friends will make it work and guilds that are all about gear will probably break up… it will be a bit chaotic but will settle into a routine for anyone that enjoys the game. Its not like guildies don’t rush each other and help people who aren’t as far along as them. Also I think if there are any instances that require multiple days to complete, they’ll probably remove lockouts so you can gate in aid.

On another note, I run a twink guild on the alliance side of the Gurubashi server. If anyone wants to join a good group of people in preparation of the cross server bg’s send a tell to anyone in “Get Some”…. Especially if you are a priest lol.

I also hear that Wow is gonna get rid of the twinks some how?

I don't care im not huge on PvP and if I do its with one of my 2 60's :D

finally got the rouge to 60 yesterday

What level twinks high_jinx?

I guess all lvl twinks, I guess Blizzards wants to keep it fair to the people that don't PvP 24/7

I could very well be pulling this out of my ass but I seem to recall now that lvl 60s can convert XP into gold? Was that in a recent patch or in the expansion pack? Could someone confirm or deny that for me? Thanks!

Yes, at 60 in the current build of the game you receive gold for experience from discrete quest turn ins. Repeatable quests do not give gold.

The "average" level 60 quest gives around 5g. It's quite a good incentive to bang through the Strath and Scholo quests. You can make some good money.

There are always rumors started before every patch that twinks are being got rid of. I'm convinced these rumors are started by the wishful thinking of anti twinks :D I've poured over the official wow forums and have found several official posts by blues (cm's) that if any xp were given in a bg outside of turning in marks, it would be a bug.

edit:this a relatively new quote from a cm:

"Its something we neither discourage nor directly encourage. Its something that we have found is fun for a select group of our players, and they enjoy squeezing every last ounce out of a character at a specific level to try to compete. For the majority of twinks it isnt about gearing yourself better than the people that may just wander in on their way to 60, its about enjoying a character at a specific level with a specific set of items and abilities available to you. It actually comes down to a very basic and fun system in a twink vs. twink matchup. In a lot of cases twink groups are just trying to work their way through your group so they can get matched up against that other twink group they have been talking to on the forums. Its an interesting culture that has evolved, and we have strong reservations about pulling that away or disrupting it.

Im kind of getting away from my point though. Its definitely a concern to us that a player may want to participate in PvP on their way to 60 and become discouraged by encountering twinks in the various battlegrounds. To help alleviate that problem were planning to implement a battleground matching system when the expansion releases that will attempt to match up well geared and well organized groups with other well geared and organized groups. Its not going to ensure that you will never see someone with an enchant ever again, but we think it will go a long way to help people play against more appropriate opponents."

So they're planning on gear and join as group matching. i think that's great, we live to play against other twink groups for legendary matches!

My guild started out as a 19 twink guild but now we're naturally having some of our alts level and are taking over 29 as well... we're happy to help each other on questing and rushes w/ our higher lvls too...

I never minded twinks too much (so long as the whole team wasn't composed of such) since when I beat the tar out of them on one of my alts I knew I was doing pretty good :)

i like too many different classes to play one for hundreds of hours as a 60 to be able to compete in 60's bg's. Hence i spend a fraction of the time to play my 7 twinks.

Well, in the midst of all the BC craziness, it's nice to know that-for the moment-we're effectively done with Naxx. We've killed Loatheb twice now. If you've been paying attention to the boards, that's something in the neighborhood of 10k gold worth of mats+6 full DM clears+Ony head+ZG buff in order for everyone to survive to the end and do enough damage. Possible, but it's a huge pain in the ass and, honestly, is fairly unnecessary. Hopefully it gets tuned in 1.12. Four Horsemen certainly live up to their name. Having done the fight a few times now, we see how it's possible, but the problem is 1) they have stupidly high damage output between their special abilities and their marks and 2) it requires in the neighborhood of 35-50 unresisted taunts to properly cycle the horsemen throughout the room. 1 resisted taunt is a wipe, period. So that's scary, but in kind of an intellectually stimulating sort of way.

I've really fallen off the PvP thing. I got up to rank IX and then stopped doing anything fairly abrutply. I'll jump in a guild group once in a while, but I can't make myself commit to grinding up to any decent rank anymore.

Newbie questions:

Is it possible to get to level 60 without joining a guild or participation in raids? I just don't know if I can invest that kind of time. If so, will I still be able to get similar loot/equipment that I'd get if I raided.

Why do Alliance always attack the Barrens? Crossroads especifically.

Lastly, what is a twink?

Yes. No. Don't know. A twink is someone who has help from another, more powerful character, in this game that means money for really expensive enchants and equipment. Usually it is in the PvP bracket 10-19, or 20-29. They level them to 19 or 29, get them the best gear and enchants available, and only use them for PvP in that particular bracket. In other words they have artificialy high power, not something you would normally have if you were leveling through.

You can get to 60 just by grinding it out. It's boring but you can do it.

You can only get so much gear by playing solo, eventually you have to get into the instances. You could solo the lower intstances as you get "bigger" but again, that only tops out at some point.

There are some guilds that allow guests and regular guests. We have them all the time to fill in spots and holes. Some of them have more DKP than regulars.

I did it. It took some time, but you tend to get to see more of the "world". Not to mention the quests are fun "if you can find the ones that dont require dungeons. I had a blast, hit 60, ran lower lvl instances for cash, fully armoured up... and got the weaponry I needed. Then... THEN, I FINALLY find a guild that I help make, and we FINALLY get to the point where we are going to start raiding. But, I went and got a NEW job on top of the old one. So... It's been a while since I have played. It sucks. Ill be back though. :thumbsup:

I leveled to 51 without a guild, then from 51 to 60 with a guild of about 10 people (we were totally awesome at Maraudon and Sunkent Temple). I actually stayed in that guild, which never really got to be more than 15 people, for about four months after I hit 60, since I didn't think much of raiding and I liked hanging out with them.

I very much agree with Xiomar, though. If you're with a guild, they'll tend to drag you through the levels as fast as possible in the most direct route to 60 so you can start getting geared up to raid. If you're alone, you often find yourself doing all sort of odd and random things. I found my way to Blackrock Mountain (where most of the endgame zones are) at around level 40. I'd been in the plaguelands at around 35-though I didn't get very far, and I made my first journey to Feralas at 22. You're not responsible to anyone, and that's a nice feeling.

It's going to be harder and going to take longer, though, since anything elite you'll have to PuG, and we all know how consistent those are. /cough

Well we finally took veal down for the first time last night :D Without the UBRS buff.

Yesterday I got the Bonereaver's Edge. Oh my god, it owns.

I'm taking people down 80% of their life in 2 swings, and I'm unbuffed. Its fuckin' rad!

Thought you were a druid? You change classes?

I have a warrior too

Speaking of fun new two-handers, I picked this up the other night. Hal and I can go smoke people in the face!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...yte/newtoy.jpg

Patch 1.12 went live this morning... lookin like cross server bg's are starting. what battlegroup are you guy's servers in?

There's no way they can get rid of twinks. Even if they prevented you from sending gold to one of your other characters, you could still give it to someone else and they could give it right back to you. The only way they could is to remove the blues that you get from running low levels, or putting a minimum level on certain enchants.

Plus I don't really see twinks as being a major issue. I mean, if you have 200g to blow on crusader and whatnot at lv 19, have a blast. It's your cash :p Personally I can find better things to spend money on, but to each his own.

I can't wait to try xserver bg. I'm so sick of playing with the same crappy horde members against the same ridiculous alliance farm teams. This will even things out a lot more.:thumbsup:

ANyone else having troubles with WoW post patch (1.12)? I keep getting error messages and it locks up my machine. Is this widespread or just me? Thanks!

i just started playing on saturday
im a level 17 undead mage on moonrunner
feel free to help me out if you're on that server! = )

Mahler, the problem is probably due to the fact that you're using out of date mods. Go to the home page or the download site where you initially got the mods and make sure you download the most recent version. If a new version isn't out yet and that mod is giving you trouble (the error message should give you some idea of what is causing it, otherwise do it by process of elimination), you might just consider disabling the old mods until they do get updated.

This patch has been a mess so far. We barely got any raiding done tonight because it was such a mess. It never ceases to amaze me how much previously unbroken stuff blizzard breaks in any given content patch.

In happier news, after two hundred gold and some horrible number of hours in Silithus, I finally managed to get Earthstrke tonight, so yay for that. The only non-Naxx trinket I'm missing at this point is Drake Fang, and the waiting list for that is too long as it is, so I'll be happy with what I've got.

I need Drake Fang Talisman also. According to DKP I might get the second or third one that drops from now, but there's no telling how long that will be. :(

And yeah, our BWL run was cancelled last night due to our server crashing every 30 minutes for the entire night. It was down for hours on end yesterday, and it's actually STILL down right now. WEEE!!!!!!!!

we didn't even bother to play last night... we just watched a movie instaed and went to bed early :)

Ya servers are up and down so I gave up after the second boot. I still have to update my addons also as now more then half of them dont work so guess I wont be at full speed for a while.

i got a taste of the xserver bg's yesterday (with a few bugs). Overall........

IT WAS AWESOME!

there were 27 or so wsg's going at a time and even 4 or 5 ab's...for the 20's bracket! unreal!

the coolest thing about all this is that i can get my fix on nite owl time... i have been yearning for some 1am bg's!

edit: hit the post button early :D

cross server BGs are both good and bad

the good.. I have 24k honor today already
the bad.. the games are SHIT. Unless you have a premade team (which I dont) then you are out of luck. The turnover and lack of coordination are killing me. I also have a sneaking suspicion that honor threshholds are gonna be fucked out of proportion from now on.

Ok, my guild is having major troubles on Huhuran in AQ40. We're fine until 30%, but then at 30% everyone is dead before 20%. Any suggestions? The 15-core people on Huhuran are all at 250-320 NR. Is there something with the positioning we're messing up at 30%?? We just drop like flies.

save pot timers and take a greater NR
save Shield Wall timers
save trinket timers

Even at 315 NR, you're going to take TONS of damage and really the only reasonable way of doing Huhu is to assign healers to soak tanks.

Priests and druids can usually handle two people each, paladins should have one. Make sure everyone is covered and then put everyone else on the MTs. Also, she does a targeted silence that has a small AE effect so you want to spread the group out around her as much as possible so multiple people don't get silenced.

After that, yeah, save potion times and pop a greater NR pot at 30%, give everyone a healthstone (two if possible) and save all trinket and cooldown abilities. Once you hit 30% it's kill her before she kills you. You can't keep it up much beyond a minute even overgeared for the encounter. Her DPS is just too high.

Well, it was only a matter of time, but on the 18th I quit WoW. The expansion looks like more failings on Blizzard's part to address the serious issues the game has, and it was simply not worth the hassle and stress to log on anymore.

I look forward to Enemy Territory: Quake Wars coming out in 2007, along with perhaps Warhammer Online.

What issues are you referring to?

yeah what issues?

Sunday night we downed Rag for the first time.... after consistent MC runs for the past 3 months.

Question for my hunter brethern: I have gotten my hunter alt to lvl 28 and I just found WSG and I LOVE IT. The only problem is that my main pet adn the one I have used almost exclusively is a bear. He sucks for PvP. I want to go get a cat from Ashenvale or a raptor from the Wetlands. Is there a way to gain my pet XP without me gaining any. If the mob is gray to me and technically not gray to the pet, will it gain XP? Just wondering and thanks!

unfortunately, the mob has to be green for the pet to get xp. the only good news is that even the lowest green you can find is a LOT of xp to a lower lvl cat and they catch up to you relatively quickly. if you only just hit 28 and don't have too much rested xp, i reccomend you try to grab "humar the pridelord". not only does he have one of the faster attack speeds in the game at 1.3, he's one of the only if not the only black lion in the whole game. he's a level 23 rarespawn found up the hill and to the right from ratchet in the barrens. you should be able to get him to at least 27 before you turn 30 if you don't turn in quests and just grind away at low greens.

my alternate suggestion is what i think is the most under used pet in the game.....

the carrion bird!

their one of the few pets that can learn both claw AND bite for one, and also they get screeech, which has an awesome aoe effect that breaks rogues outta stealth!

have fun in the gulch

I myself use this black cat for my main. I am, however, leveling Broken Tooth ATM for PVP against those damned casters. haha.

Its a rough lvling, because I am 60 and he.. well... isnt. So is is not able to hold MOBs as he will when he gets closer to my lvl. He is currently resting at 40 something. I have not taken him out, because I am unsure if he will still get XP because I am 60. Im sure he will.. But I just havn't bothered. Just in case.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burni...nd-spells.html

strait from a slashdot article. Mages, enjoy your pet and your invis. gg

Ok, I just spent a week reading this whole effing thread (while I wasn't playing or ya know.... living), and I have a couple of questions.....

I have a lv 16 human Pally Dohrkette
lv 20 human Warrior Thedoh
lv 23 ne Hunter Dohrk

all on Dark Iron server .... what is a good way to spend my talent points on all of these? I also have a bear for my hunter.. Might switch it after what just read.
Also, any ideas of where do get good weapons.. like where they drop... I'm still using like 10.3 dps on all 3 toons?

Finally, for now, should i Learn all the abilities I can as soon as I can or what?

Thanks,
doh

pally... most important talent to me is improved blessing of freedom, after that it's up to you.

warrior.... most imp. talent to me is tactical mastery, then up to you.

hunter... i put 5 into imp. concuss shot, then the rest in survival and love it... 1 or 2 in humanoid slaying, the rest in tier one in parry, then imp wingclip, then start improving your traps and get deterrence when you can.


ok weapons.....

palli... you can buy a "face smasher" for a few gold, then at 18 quest for an arctic buckler shield and for 2hand a "glacial stone" (this is a very difficult quest but worth it)

warrior...same glacial stone for 2hand and then i'd reccomend a skeletal club that you can buy for onehand.
don't dual wield, you miss too often.

hunter... same thing w/ dual wielding.. i reccomend the best 2hand axe or staff you can get your hands on that has agility and/or stamina.... for a gun, a double barrel shotgun and hi-tech supergun can be bought and are both round your level...

good luck!

if you have cheap respeccing as an option i reccomend speccing survival if your not and then holding aggro on mobs for your pet...take growl off. there are plenty of talents in survival that will let your root or kite mobs while you level the cat.

Wow!!!!!! Wow!!!! These new cross-server PvP games are going to make it soooo much harder to advance PvP rank wise. I just started PvPing with my hunter just this last week and I think I have 2 dozen WSG victories (double that in loses) and about 400 honorable kills to my name and I got Private. Private!!!! I thought for sure I would make Corporal so that I could at least get my trinket but I still have a quarter of a bar to go to get there. I remember I got Private on my main toon a few months ago with just 35 few kills and like 2 game sof WSG.

P.S I know its about honor gained and not kills/games but its a good indication of the time spent in pursuit of said honor.

Wow for real? Did you sell your account or just stop playing it for the time being? That must be a pretty heavy hit to the guild considering that you seem to lead it quite well.

There goes my underlying hopes to one day transfer to Mannoroth, join Predestined, and raid with you :(

Ya, for like 4 days i did nothing but BG and I got 800 HK's and I made 40K Honor and I went from Scout to Sergeant. :( Lol in that whole time we only lost 2 BG's and I topped the Killing Blows on most of the battles. Good ol'e Shadow Priests.

So, I racked up 250k honor, which is INSANE compared to what I've done in the past, and I gained a full rank. At this pace, it'll take me 2 more weeks to hit rank 10. I think I wanna go for rank 13 though.. I dunno if I can do it.

What's the rank that you need to be at in order to buy the elite mount for 90g?

Rank 11 (Commander) gives the 90g epic mounts as rewards.

Get to 10 at least. The rank 10 armor is completely ridiculously overpowered for warriors. It rivals all BWL gear (except the boots and gloves, but they're still not bad). You won't replace the shoulders, head, chest, or legs until AQ 40.

Really:eek:

I gotta get going then...only 8 more ranks to go:D

rank 11 shouldn't be TOO bad...

Hah, that really depends on the server. On Dragonblight there is a level 59 HWL. And a druid to boot. To get 2nd standing, he only needed 500k honor. On a server like that, getting rank 11 should be relatively easy but there are other servers where you need 1 million plus honor to get standing 1. The rank 11 grind would take much much longer there. In fact, I know a guy on my server who is getting rank 14 on a new server then transferring to an established server just because he can do it so much quicker.

I just stopped playing and uninstalled. I don't plan on selling my account just in case Predestined needs it again for some reason. I'm sure Predestined will do just fine -- I tried to make sure the new officers were comfortable and playing well together before I dropped the bomb.

I hope that's a joke. The pet is likely not worth the 18s reagent, and invisibility in that form is completely worthless. You can't use it to sneak up on people because you can only see people who can see you while invis. You can't use it to escape because it takes EIGHT SECONDS before you even go invisible. Imagine if Rogues' "vanish" didn't make them stealthed until eight seconds passes, and you will [hopefully] see how completely worthless Mages' Invisibility will be. Oh yeah, and Warlocks can cast a buff on their entire raid to completely negate the already-worthless spell. "gg" as you said.

PvP: In beta PvP had the potential to be a whole lot of fun -- city raids were a big deal, and excessive ganking of lower level players was discouraged with dishonor. Instead, in release, they take away dishonor from player kills and instead slap it on seemingly random "Civilian" mobs in cities, to discourage the main-event in terms of world-pvp. This forces everyone into farming CP (an experience-point-equivelant) in instanced mini-games called battlegrounds. Thus, Blizzard completely destroys any semblence of PvP. The idiotic sand-carrying bullshit they have planned to encourage world PvP in Silithus / EP just echoes my hand->forehead slapping.

Itemization: I can't even break down into seperate points how horrid itemization is and has been since mid-closed-beta. Blizzard has no idea how to balance across class-archetypes and this is made apparent with every set of gear / weapon they introduce. Melee dps and survivability scale upwards while caster dps keeps up but at the expensive of survivability and longevity. To fix this, they introduce AC-heavy epic cloth pieces with practically no damage or other stats. It's almost as if their item designers have never seen the other items in the game while they're making their own.

High-end PvE raiding and poor development process: As much fun as it is to drop something for the first time, the process required to get there is unnecessarily idiotic thanks to the absolute lack of effort on the part of Blizzard's dev/testing team. This was most apparent in Ahn'Qiraj where encounters like Fankriss and Huhuran changed every week in substantial ways. In what other industry do you EXPECT to get a 1/4-finished product and HOPE that it is fixed a month after it's released? Not any industry that makes any money, that's for sure. The only reason Blizzard's WoW is still in business is because the vast majority of their fanbase are still level 44, or working on previous instances (which those of us doing the new content have tested and tuned for you, at our expense.) As for non-raiding-related examples, Blizzard is so scatter-brained when it comes to "fixing" problems that it seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. In order to fix Mages' being retardedly powerful in beta they introduce several possible solutions: a) nerf Pyroblast, b) stack STA on raid gear to lessen one-shotting, c) fix Invisibility to drop upon the START of a cast. Rather than pick one of these, they do al three, reducing Pyroblast to a completely useless spell, giving everyone except casters formerly-Warrior-levels of HP, and removing Invisibility entirely from the game (even though the functionality which caused it to be removed was fixed in 1.10). Rather than fix some issues, they go completely overboard and then in an attempt to win favor of the masses take a 1/16th step back months later, such as the horrid and useless re-implementation of Invisibility in the expansion.

The "Shaman Fix" and general Band-Aid mentality: Horde were promised by Eyeonix that Shamans were going to be getting retooled. Instead, it seems, we are getting Paladins and that is supposed to somehow "fix" the fact that Shamans are and have been nowhere near the worth of a Paladin on raids. This was done repeatedly and is simply a temporary band-aid to "fix" a problem by covering it up and hoping people stop noticing the pain.

All in all, WoW is a game that could have been so much more and has become nothing but a marketing-driven paper-doll game for the bnet crowd. Sad, yet I really should have expected it.

^^

True story.

Except the PvP part. I played WoW beta as far back as alpha. Our guild was one of the ones selected in the 2nd stage of Alpha when Ironforge opened. You can find old IRC logs on the net from Blizzard chats in IRC and on the beta boards, but BG's were mentioned before the mass beta invites even began.

It was quite clear what this game was to become, and it has. It has inherant flaws in the itemization system, because the PvP aspect of the game was fairly new in beta testing. It was said more then once it was never a true part of WOrld of Warcraft, therefore, you have horrible itemization from a PvP aspect, and in PvE. (the reality of it is, no one gives a shit about it in PvE.)

I have a BWL geared mage, and rogue, and quit raiding when my son was born. About 6 months after that, I quit all together. But, WoW is what it is, its a cash register, nothing more. Everyone can play it, to a certian standpoint, simply because it caters to all kinds of gamers. (WoW in no way shape of form is as hardcore as previous MMO's I played, namely, UO.) 20 hours a week with 40 consistant people, and you can learn most of the encounters in a pretty good time frame. I mean, it took us 3 weeks to down Razorgore and Vael, 9 days later Nefarian was dead.

So, all in all. It's WoW. Hate it, or love it. Personally, I think it sucks.

Open PvP please. :thumbsup:

Read your manual -- the honor/dishonor system was broken down and reconstructed as something to discourage city raids instead of something to discourage "unfair" PvP and encourage large-scale even-level battles. Why? Large scale PvP taxed their servers and would have made them do work if it happened often (AQ event on PvP servers = DOZENS of crashes in one night..)

The shaman-paladin problem and the 40->25 change is really the nail in the coffin for a LOT of players. In Warcraft I,II and III and Starcraft, Blizzard was amazingly adept at creating very different races with diferent playstyles but balanced against each other. In WoW, everything they learned about that took a huge shit in a corner and smeared it all over a computer. Raids are not able to be balanced with one side who has an offensive support/light healing class against another side that has a defensive support/light healing class.

The horde/alliance "balance" should've been that alliance have longer fights because we have more survivability and horde have shorter fighs because their DPS was higher. What happened instead is that alliance had a higher aggro ceiling and kings worked better than windfury, so alliance got better survivability AND the ability to do more DPS. Fucking design geniuses working out there. Imagine how salvation+windfury would've balanced stam/spirit/int version of kings and blessing of wisdom. Is that so amazingly difficult to figure out?

Also to echo Sere, itemization has been a constant stab yourself in the eye. Ocassionally there's an item that's a stroke of genius. The high end BWL non-class trinkets are so perfectly crafted for each group-tanking, physical dps, caster dps and healing-it's painful how seldom they drop. Then you have inexplicably stupid crap like a crossbow off chrom being the best hunter weapon in the game until Kel'Thuzad dies or feral loot in raids or drama inducing stat combinations like the end of dreams.

I will watch Kel'Thuzad die with Drama proudly sitting under my name, but I have no idea if I'll buy the xpac, and if I do, how I'll play it.

I'm still having a blast with the game. The only thing I don't like is when people in my guild fuck others over. We constantly have people getting full tier 1 (and in some cases full tier 2 and nefarian loot) and then gquitting or just quitting the game out of the blue for no apparent reason. Our unbelievable lack of mages has cancelled multiple AQ 40 raids, slowing our progress to a halt. I don't see how players can get 30+ epics from a guild, raid with them for a year, and then just gquit for literally no reason other than "wanting a change." That screws over our guild so badly.

yep, we had 3 people do that recently.. and then we downed Rag without them. fuckers got served.

One of them our MT he gquit in the middle of a raid to join another guild, which he ended up not getting into. he's NEVER going to get into another guild because people will tell all of them the story of him fucking everying mid-raid. The RL was trying to gear him up fastest so other warriors were not allowed to roll on some items so that they would go straight to him.

Needless to say we're not allowing any such thing ever again.

What I'm asking is, are you suprised that it took the route it did? This game caters to mostly casual players, are you surprised in the least at the steps Blizzard took to make sure the player base can find a happy medium and just continue on with the game? All I'm saying is that if you expected more in terms of hardcore PvP, WoW was never ever built nor intended for the sole purpose of that. They never said it was, or it would be. BG's were mentioned in length, and with a good amount of discussion months before 95% of the players who played in the betas, got into the beta tests. Much less, before release. It was no secret as to what WoW would become, and it pretty much has just become that.

When your talking a 1,000,000+ player base, just in the US, the hardcore PvPer takes a backseat to majority, and if the majority says it has to change, it changes. Although, in my eyes, and yours, not always for the better. God knows I wish I could have killed 90% of the people on my server, but most those little carebear sand-pushing idiots would leave just as fast as they came if that were the case.

Needless to say, the PvP sucks. Period.

Well, I had hope that on a PvP server the PvP would be more meaningful than simply farming an experience-point-equivelant. At this point I don't even know why the distinction between PvE and PvP servers is made, since they are practically the same minus ganking in Hillsbrad and Western Plaguelands. High-end raiding guilds on Mannoroth don't even engage each other outside of raid instances anymore for the most part.

Blizzard isn't even attempting to find a happy medium, they are completely alienating their "hardcore" playerbase. The drop of raids down to 25 in the expansion along with the dumping of hero classes and obvious lack of desire to fix PvP will give a lot of people a reason to stop playing once the expansion hits.

Here's hoping Mythic doesn't make the same mistakes it made with DAOC in Warhammer Online. If it doesn't suck, I'll be branching my guild off into it.

Lesson for the year, I guess:
http://images.despair.com/products/d...ors/idiocy.jpg

I apologize for such a noob question but I am going to ask it anyway: When an item says +14 Attack Power does that mean both melee and ranged? I have seen items which specify ranged/melee but if it just says +xx Attack Power its applicable for both ranged and melee, yes? Thanks!

Yes, +AP on an item is for melee and ranged. +AP on a buff is melee only.

No one knows why, except for the recurring thought that blizzard hates hunters.

Ahh, I remember when battle shout did affect ranged. It was delicious.

it isnt that with casual. in another point of view.. its hardcore raid guilds for loot and casual gamers that dont have the time to put into constant raids that last all day.

pvp servers .. all ive ever seen is get to 60 so you can gank lowbies.. ive never seen a pvp fight where everyone was even matched below lvl 40..

even then a few 60's will show up and ruin it.

ive found i enjoy levleing toons to about 42 before i lose interest.

my frost mage with 41 pts in it with 10 in arcane for clearcasting is broke.

for a pve server i fear nothing anymore. hell i can go to silithus and round up anywhere from 24-38 toons and wipe them all with ease. and no fear of dying.. and all i have is 90% magisters.. no purples or such.. no dmg gear and no godly enchants on me.

why waste my mana pool on one target when im spec for aoe death.. i.e. and imp blizzard build from hell. heh hell if anyone needs a mage that is good with rep grinding and end content let me know.. my lothar server is just boring to hell now that everyone left for azgalor.

i play alliance but horde is fun to. cant beat a forsaken's racials with a priest.. they are godly

WOOT! made it to GM today! :)

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Damn im one sexy motherfucker :D

Castilion on Whsiperwind :p

Wow, that's quite the grind! Grats to you!

How long did it take of solid pvp?

Wow dude. That's impressive. Congratluations.

12+ hours a day every day for like 8 months lol.. wait.. what month is this? :crazy:

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$1BILLION???????? OMFG!!!! that's a nice chunk of change for any company let alone a gaming company.

Here's what one warrior and one paladin can do vs 10 horde.

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44 min WSG game, ouch. Did they turtle you? Turtle games were the worst in my CP farming group. Looks like you were in a PuG though, I usually would just run around killing people in PuGs because no one ever listens.

That was just pure straightup ownage, really. When I wasn't carrying the flag, I was in their base with my paladin friend, waiting for them to show up with our flag and I just mowed them down. When I had the flag, we took advantage of the fact that everyone was focused on me, so Lunce just stood back and healed while I took everyone out one by one. They were like lemmings, throwing themselves at me to get killed. It was simply a case of Bonereaver's Edge meets a bunch of Horde in instance blues.

Warrior/Paladin duos are disgusting, and them focusing on you just made it even better. When I played my Shaman in my organized WSG groups I was usually helping the flag runner with earthbinds/NS+heal/poison cleanse. Going against a group that has a Paladin that knows how to play his/her class is such a pain in the ass. Blessing of Freedom was so annoying, but luckily I had my Purge key bound to my mouse so it was just a click away.

Just looked at the scoreboard again, you and Lunce were tearing shit up obviously. 79 and 80 HK's, lol. Paladins are such a huge asset to Group PvP it's such a shame majority of them don't know how to play their class and want to go Retribution thinking they can kill shit.

You still in Silvermoon Halx?....You and my mage might meet up. Silvermoon and Windrunner are on the same server I guess

well my friend and i started on onxyia last month .. bonechewer is just too old to get anywhere on a horde pvp server. So far with in two months the aq started, and thunderfury can be linked in chat without getting bumped to log in screen.

I've come to find out outta all the toons i play a pally and a priest are my fav classes to play.

funny thing about a priest now. everyone screams to me to go shadow till 60 but at lvl 44 ive gone disc/holy all the way. I dont have downtimes nor do i die that often. Ive even gotten posts from alliance rogues saying they fear disc/holy over shadow.. and ive seen others post the same on other realm forums.

Granted this is after the priest revamp.

my mage on Lothar at lvl 60 has constantly suffered setbacks. Seems every guild i can get into are just a ton of drama queen tardastick noobs.

the current one im in seems ok. but yet again the lack of healing and items is annoying.

somehow im lost to the fact i believe the game is created in steps.. you get your T0 set then go to MC for the T1 then you move on to T2 then T3. yet alot of guilds ive tried .. are bypassing a lot of content to try straight from blues and green to T1-T2 items. Yet i dont see anyone getting a single purple from this.

back to me and my friend. we seem a bit stuck atm. onyxia is a new server pretty much still. yet i cant get over the fact im wasting my time. he wont be lvling much of anything till the xpac is out so he can play a BE rogue. Me im gonna probally play a BE preist or pally havent decided yet.

Ill take jewel crafting for a prof. Does anyone know if and when its out the jewels we will be using are the same in the current state of the game or all new gems that you mine? Ive been stocking gems lately and was just wondering if im wasteing my time.

Me and the paladin officer in my guild can kill 3-8 60 horde with relative ease. There's nothing worse than a bad paladin, but there's nothing stronger than a good paladin at your side. This guy gets personally offended if people in his group die...his "code of honor" is to keep you alive, if you get my drift.

My guild is still cockblocked on Huhuran due to the mage absence. We're still clearing up to Huhuran reasonably well but it just doesn't go past 15% before we all die.

I really like gearing up my warrior. It's very satisfying being in the top 5-10 best geared warriors on the entire server. The best part is that I worked for guild progression and stayed in the same guild for a year and a half and it paid off. I hate guild-jumpers and people that use guilds for loot and leave...it's far more rewarding to get amazing loot from hard work and loyalty.

Ya, still on Silvermoon, but I'm looking to transfer. After being on the server for so long, you hear enough bad stories about everyone to make it like every single guild is infested with lowlifes. Half the guilds I don't want to join because I hate people in there. The other half dont want me 'cause they've heard some tiny little bad thing about me. Ahh drama.

It doesn't matter if you're respectable or not. If you piss off one person, you suddenly have 100 people spreading bad things about you.

WTB new server

I just started raiding with my 60 lock (she took a long time to get there, mostly because she got REALLY boring from about 42-58). I did my first AQ 20 run last night with my guild, and it was awesome! I got these: http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52596 All it did was feed my addiction to loot and adrenaline. I'm missing my first MC run tonight because our server is down for 36 hours for hardware upgrades, but next week is better anyways as I am upgrading my motherboard and memory this weekend. But I'll be running AQ again tomorrow night if the server is back up. Knowing Blizzard, it won't be.

I didn't think I'd like raiding either.. but I must admit it is really fun when it all comes together.

I think part of it is my guild...it's casual but we're all pretty active, and I genuinely like the people in it. A few of the members are friends in real life, so I know I can count on them to help. It's really a nice feeling.

See, that's where it starts. It starts with a close group of cool people that you like raiding with and you like as people. Then somewhere along the line, the drama queens in the group fuck everything up and the guild falls apart. But by that time you're so into raiding and so into loot that you have to find another guild. So you do, and maybe some of your friends come with you, but generally these new kids are a bunch of stupid scrubs. They've got more progress under their belts and you're getting all kinds of loot because it would've been de'd, but you spend most of your time talking to your friends from your old guild because they're cooler anyway. And then at some point you get totally fed up with the new scrubs that you landed with and loot and scoot to get yourself into a premier raiding guild on the server and find yourself raiding for 7 hours a night and farming another 3 hours a day to keep up the habit.

It's a dark, dangerous spiral. Something wicked this way comes...

OMG Frosstbyte. So true.

Then your ability to type coherent sentences disappears.

I made rank 10! Thats all I really wanted. Now, I put a ZG enchant on my new shoulders and I am good to go. Considering it would take me until Christmas to make rank 14, I am not willing to make the sacrifice.

Greetings All,
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on starting a PvP Shammy. Given their multiple abilities I am not sure what stats I should be collecting? Agility, Strength, Intellect? I have put my first talents into the Elemental Tree and then I plan on the Enchancement Tree. Any further tips for a noob shammy would be appreciated like when do I use a shield instead of a 2H? I really only plan on being a PvP monster. Many thanks!

As a warrior, the only shaman who give me a hard time are the enhancement shammies who get their windfury to proc twice in a row. As a druid, elemental shammies kick my ass the most (though, all shammies really do) with their interrupts.

Its my understanding that the rank 12/13 armor is best suited for enhancement, but I could be wrong.

Enhancement is the primary PvP spec for shamans. You should be looking for well-rounded armor that doesn't let you go OOM too fast, but also provides decent strength (AP) and agility (crit). Stamina never hurt anyone either. :)

Ya im glad no one really knows me but my guild, when I was lvling I just tried to keep to myself and let everyone else do the bitching, but back then the pugs where ok now a days its a pain in the ass, unless your a healer its hard to get a party to go do like UBRS.

HUHURAN DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We got a few tries on the Twin Emps tonight. Wow...that's gonna take some learning. :thumbsup:

Congrats man. Welcome to the "exciting" part of AQ40. The most brutal and time consuming trash in the game combined with the touchiest fights. GOOD TIMES!

As always, if you need/want help, feel free to ask. I'm happy to have my brain picked.

nice!!! I'm looking forward to getting there, we've still got Ossirian in AQ20 and all of BWL, but we're finally consistent with MC.

We went to BWL for the first time Saturday night. Again, was like watching a keystone cops episode.

Grats Las!

So our guild again had around 7 vets (8/8 tier-2, 2k dkp, etc) leave. We had become slightly stagnant and a chain reaction took place with /gquits. We recruited a bunch of new people and had to re-gear and re-teach the fights, however we're finally back on track this past weekend. We downed Huhu for the first and only time two months ago and we just got our first Sartura and Fankriss kills since then. Huhu to 15% on our first evening of attempts and we're hoping to get her again this coming weekend.

It's really nice to see such a good group of people prevail through such a devastating blow. Recruiting well-fit people then wiping on Razorgore since we had to re-learn it as a cohesive group sent lots of trial members fleeing to other guilds. After we finally got to Huhu again, we immediately cut our other raids and added an entire second night of AQ attempts to our schedule. Here's to proactiveness during otherwise crap, demoralizing situations.

Exact same shit has happened to our guild. Once last March, and again this past summer. To give you an idea of our guild: there are about 6 people in the guild who were in the guild during our first Ragnaros kill. :|

The only classes we have actual guild loyalty out of are warriors, priests, and paladins. All the other classes leave and are replaced about every 2 months. If we never had the first chain reaction gquits take place, we'd be halfway through Naxxramas right now. Oh well. The core raiders in my guild who are still there keep it going strong and I'll be there until it's gone.

Interesting thought... of the original guild members from our join dates, there are only 3 other members from the original group. Skogafoss and I have thought about joining another guild but from the looks of the forums here and Wow, the changes will happen pretty consistently.

We had 2 people leave right at the last Rag kill, father and son team, father got the Blade of Perdition and exhausted all his DKP and then left the guild. At least he only recently joined in the past 4 weeks, but still.

Well, I missed our Sapphiron kill tonight. I was too busy spending the weekend with my girlfriend (who regretably plays on a different server) to get in for any of the practice runs so I didn't get in for the kill. I did, however, get in for a pass on Kel'Thuzad and that guy is one mean bastard. It's not nearly as precision a fight as Four Horsemen, but it's definitely going to require some serious practice and coordination to get down.

They're doing a hardware upgrade on our server this week, so mega-downtime, unfortunately, but we hope to get in a kill notwithstanding. Hopefully we can sneak in on the top 10 worldwide list.

I wanna join Drama! Damn, I'd really like to join a team that plays at a high level because I know I can keep up. Unfortunately, I don't have the gear.

Is Frosstbyte in Drama?

Yes, Frosstbyte is in Drama. My character is Kaesth. I joined in late April/early May, so I was around for the C'thun, Ouro and Viscidus kills, as well as all of Naxx. Been a pretty wild ride, since a year ago I was firmly in a guild that had 10 members and had no interest in raiding. How things change.

Wow very cool. I hear about you guys every once in a while. Are you horde or alli? Have any ctprofile links?

I play horde on Mal'ganis. It's an extremely competitive server with Elitist Jerks, Aeternus (sunshine), recently-transfered Aurora, and a few hardcore alliance guilds as well. I've personally never been beyond Huhu but it's mostly because of friendly ties in my guild (which has been extremely unstable recently :rolleyes: )

http://ctprofiles.net/2619754
http://ctprofiles.net/2833511