Yeah, and Zeus is a hobbit.

Then you better work on your reading comprehension because everything in the game works according to Warcraft canon. Note that I did not say lore, because it is not up for debate. It is pretty much written in stone and it is consulted before they draft any changes or introduce new story.

They go to great lengths to make sure that the books and history all work together properly.

For example:

Yeah, also though warcraft cannon gets retcon'd a lot. Though they're finally doing a better job now. I remember when BC first came out and people were like "WTF spaceships and vampires?!"

SF, so that you understand it's not something that someone just pulls out of their ass, this is Chris Metzen, the Vice President of Creative Development at Blizzard Entertainment saying it.

So you can read and interpret what you what to believe, but what you comprehend and understand ultimately has to line up with the canon.

Sylvannas has already been "killed" in Cataclysm. Or something. It's not entirely clear what happens to her, but this ensues in a cut scene type event during a quest chain in Silverpine Forest:

EDIT: I originally quoted a bunch of stuff, but it's easier to just link to the Know Your Lore article on Sylvannas from WoW Insider: Know Your Lore: Sylvanas Windrunner, part 2, page 2.

SF, if you want to interpret the game that way, I guess that's cool, but there's nothing any of us can say about it and no way for us to discuss it with you. The quests in the game say you're wrong. The books and comics say you're wrong. The cutscenes and old games all say you're wrong. We're not trying to dog on your interpretation so much as trying to explain to you that the stuff you're talking about isn't up for interpretation.

As someone else said, there's no way to interpret that Frodo isn't a hobbit. He is and that fact is crucial to his character in the Lord of the Rings. Similarly, there's no way to interpret Thrall's race. He is clearly and undeniably an orc and it is fundamental to his character that he is one. Important NPCs are often larger than PCs and less important NPCs to make them stand out and look cooler. That's the *only* reason he is larger than an orc in game.

So, as I said, if you want to "interpret" WoW in your own way, that's fine, but there's no way for anyone else to respond to it, because the story we're working with isn't yours. There ARE a lot of places of ambiguity in WoW lore if you want to learn it, but Thrall's origin story isn't one of them.

ah shit, You're right. I guess I need to do more than skim the wiki entry. You'd think "Shortly afterwards she is killed by Godfrey" would be in bold or something. :)

I never liked Zeus much and I never understand why he would be king of the Olympians rather than Hades, who was a stronger warrior and in his way a fairer (if harder) leader.

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And nothing I have said:

1 - That Greymane the Wicked is a betrayer of his people who unwittingly infected them with the werewolf curse due to his arrogane and pride

2 - That Garrosh is hare brained, little more than a common lout

3 -That Thrall is probably half ogre and has lied about his past because he could not have been war chief if he was known not to be pure orc. Why did he stand down to be second in command in the Earthen Ring - was it really cowardice (even if he is a powerful shaman he is hardy the only one), or did a supporter of Garrosh (who Thrall mistrusts and sees as too aggressive) blackmail him?

4 - That Sylvanas is a mighty warrior, who has tremendous willpower (she broke the Lich King's control over her), is a brilliant general, is utterly ruthless and is not and never willingly will be subserviant to any power in the WOW universe. If the Orcs think that she is following their orders now to appease them or because she is frightened of a few orc commando's stationed in the undercity, they are bigger fools that Garrosh the brainless.

Slyvanas knows that the Alliance consider the undercity as their territory, she knows she will come under attack - what she does now is influanced by that, not the will of the orcs.
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I dont ask people to ignore what they call canon or lore - merely to use their own intelligence and observation to interpret it in a logical way rather than to accept it uncritically.

Zeus was always more powerful than Hades, or at the very least he was equal. Otherwise they would not have had to share Persephine, Hades would have just killed Zeus if he could, but he can't in any of the lore.

Zeus being much wiser lets Hade have the underworld to serve his purpose. Keeping in check souls while Zeus kicks back and has sex a lot.

Thrall just isn't half orge. Look at the half ogres in the game and there is abolutely no resemblance. Almost every major NPC in the game is 50% taller than players, including Jaina and Sylvannas. His backstory is set in stone, it's verified and witnessed by too many characters to be fake. To dispute it is akin to being a holocaust denier or a birther.( The claim is ludicrous.

I think Zeus maybe had stronger powers marginally, and was more cunning, but Hades was more ferocious and would have been more deadly in open war. Maybe the key was that Zeus had more balls or front... and assumed the leadership, and Hades who had a dark and gloomy personality did not challenge him because Zeus took care not to goad him but at the same time acted like he deserved to be king.

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I think comparing having a contrary view to the majority about a video game to holocaust denial is a bit of a stretch!

I dont remember Jaina being especially tall, she was shorter than me (a night elf female) when I did a mission for her.

I still have the ring Jaina gave me for doing a quest at lvl 20 or so in my pack as I liked her, so I definitely remember her character.

Sylvanas, as a high elf, is taller than most of the (human) forsaken anyway.

And I have read enough of the lore to know a few things about Thrall the Half Orc... did you know for example that he was once captured and almost killed by a couple of murlocs? Thats good going for the most powerful shaman in the world!

She's not a high-elf, she's a banshee turned dark ranger.

High elves are imbued with the Holy Light. Sylvanas is undead.

Dark Ranger. That needs to be the new class :)

She was formerly a high elf and has the same physical body now... which makes her taller than the human forsaken... thats the point I was making.

As for the holy light - she doesnt walk in the light certainly, but no one who is created in pure light is ever completely lost to it. The fact that the Lich King could not conquer her will cannot be solely down to her own emotional force.

I think there is a really possibility that the Forsaken are expelled from the Horde because Sylvanas does something that provokes an attack from the Orcs... and the "Undead" become a class rather than a race... they would be less boring than the Death Knights who are utterly pointless if Arthas has gone. The other option is Slyvanas as the Lich Queen I suppose.

Garrosh the Brainless asks her what is the difference between her and the Lich King.... but I would find this a quite boring plot.

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And ask yourself this - if Sylvanas is the completely amoral lose canon and butcher that you portray her as, why are the Forsaken so fanatically loyal to her (as opposed to the human king, who has almost as many human enemies as followers).

If Thrall the half orc is such a great guy, why was there so much force behind those who wanted Garrosh the Brainless to take over?

There is already a new Lich King, so it's fairly obvious you don't know the lore you speak of. I've never seen anybody be so willingly ignorant in so much of what they say as you. This thread is completely in line with most everything you post on this site and it's growing increasingly tiresome.

Garrosh was chosen by Thrall to succeed him in his absence...

Maybe if he made it into ICC and saw Highlord Tirion Fordring at the beginning and he's like 2.5 times the size of a Night Elf, SF may say that he's 1/2 Ogre or even Gronn.

Tirion Fordring the Half Ogre. It has a nice ring to it.

http://www.dkdiaries.com/wp-content/...n-Fordring.jpg

No way! At that height, he's got to be a pureblood ogre!

How about Malfurion Stormrage? obviously a Gronn.

http://www.webrender.net/screenshots/stormrage.jpg

"Great warriors do not great leaders make." I think Yoda said that*. But of course he was a half goblin / half ogre, so we might have to take that with a grain of salt.

* or Starscream

Sometimes true, but Duke William and Edward I were both (great warriors and leaders)... Duke William in my opinion was the greatest king who ever lived and the most fearsome warrior. But Hades wouldnt have been a good ruler I suppose because of the darkness and insular nature that was always a part of him (before the underword even). But the kind of the gods isnt exactly a leader, its more a honorific title isnt it?

Malfurian Stormrage is a demigod, that is why he is huge.

Thrall is a mortal I believe, unless you know of many gods who cannot overcome a couple of murlocs?

As far as I am aware Arthas is dead. If someone now holds the crown of the Lich King in his place, he could not keep it from Sylvanas' hands if she wanted it. But I dont believe she does.

I like the idea of her as an outsider, a bandit leader - not some kind of dull conventional villian.

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As usual the key points I make remain unanswered

If Sylvanas is such a bad leader, why to the Forsaken genuinely revere her as they do?

No, actually, he is not. He is a mortal. STOP MAKING SHIT UP. Please. Also, what about Tirion Fordring, a human mortal? Why is he so huge?

He's 10,000 years old and mortal?

You have an interesting view of the lore - thats all I can say.

Even Tolkien's immortal elves can be slain or die of grief. They aren't demigods. I suppose the closest thing to that would be the Maiar.

Anyway, immortal does not necessarily mean demigod. The idea that all elves are demigods because of their immortality is absurd.

Yes, but being 10,000 years old is a good sign that one if not mortal in any ordinary sense of the word - and that was the statement which I was answering.

The evidence that Malfurion is a demigod is based on his powers over nature and connection to the land of the night elves.

So he's an ancient and powerful druid. Galadriel is ancient and powerful too (some measures put her at just under 12,000 years by the time she left Middle-earth). Neither are demigods. They're elves.

Dude really?

Read that first sentence... yes. READ IT. It doesn't say DEMIGOD or IMMMORTAL...

These aren't views or opinions, they are FACTS by the people who author the game and the backstory.

Whereas your opinions are just that, I'm happy to classify them as ludicrous troll baiting statements. <--- take note of that statement before I put on my staff hat.

I genuinely find this forum ridiculous sometimes.

Is anybody being hurt or upset by this discussion, about a fictional video game? Some of the things Ive said might be shown to be false, others still stand as true - and none of it is in anything other than good humour.

I really cant understand any reason you need to threaten to close the thread or "wear your staff hat" simply because I dont agree with things you claim are facts.

SF, people are making your claims to be borderline trolling. They referenced your other trollish posts in other parts of the forum.

When faced with facts, you outright reject them. It's good humor for a troll, not for the participants of the discussion.

Every night elf was immortal when the World Tree and Well of Eternity were intact. No night elf could die of old age or sickness. When the World Tree and Well of Eternity were blown up at the end of Warcraft 3, all night elves lost their immortality. Are you saying all night elves are demigods?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Well, now there's no discussion at all where there was one

I guess thats better than people having a bit of a laugh.

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And since I am now playing a druid, I have met Malfurian.... he has deers antlers coming out of his head. Whether he or was a normal elf he is clearly also something pretty special.

The human king of Stormwind was about my size (as an elf) - which is tall for a man but not out of the question tall. I have met Jaina Proudmore on quests and she was not espcially tall as I recall.

In older editions of of Warcraft they may have made boss characters bigger still and it may happen to a degree, but Thrall is bigger than the leader of the Earthern Ring who is at least equally powerful as a character... and Taurens are bigger than orcs normally.

The half ogre argument really cannot be dismissed as easily as some people want.

What about the pictures I posted of Tirion Fordring? He's absolutely gigantic and he's a human. Thrall is not a half ogre it's absolutely not up for debate. You are a horrible troll.

Ive never met Trion and I dont know the context of the picture you are posting.

Maybe he is that size naturally, but maybe there is a special reason? (a temporary spell, some condition of giantism caused by a curse...) I dont know the character. But I know I have met boss characters that were not especially huge in the way Thrall is. (another ie Archdruid Staghelm)

You cant expect me to comment on things I dont know anything about.

You did the deathknight starting questline, so yes, you met Tirion Fordring.

Well, he didnt make much of an impression on me... dont remember the character. I didnt enjoy the death knight character much on account of the atrocities I was forced to commit and then outrageous insults thrown at me by peasants in Stormwind.

Right well I have now met this guy. I was in Ice Crown to rescue Jaina Proudmore from the Forge of Souls and I found this guy Highlord Trion

Now, I cant comment on how you produced the image you attached. Whether its a different version of the game, whether Trion has had a spell cast on him to make him taller, whether the picture is manipulated... you probably know the truth yourself, because I now know this is not the true height of this guy.

However, I 100% make a sworn statement that I stood next to Trion and (as a female night elf) he was the EXACT same height as me. Tall for a man, but not the giant you show here.

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So people throw all this stuff around saying "read the lore"

I have seen for myself, with my own eyes, the images and things you are saying are false in this case at least.

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As a side matter, once I got into the Forge of Souls I nearly had the Lich King's life... but he escaped from me when a wall caved in at the last moment. Me and a one other man from my guild went through THREE dungeons killing the servants of this guy. We had him at last, and Jaina me and my guildmate lured him into a trap with an Alliance gunship about to fucking destroy him... and the wall caved in and saved his life.

http://www.portentousdream.com/img/photos/tirion_01.jpg

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...0draftcopy.png

Your beloved Jaina Proudmore, Half Ogre?
http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/ljp1.jpg

http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/ljp2.jpg

QBlog

Now, see, I'm not a troll like you so I will just say, I'm pointing out that height is completely inconsistent in this game so SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Yes, I edited the pictures :rolleyes:

Right, I am going to sign on right now and sail to Ice Crown and prove that this picture of Highlord Trion is false.

do you not understand how to read? Here let me quote my last comment and bold the point I'm making.

the two pictures i have of Jaina should make that fucking clear to you. Yes, in the DK starting area and other areas Tirion is not giant. Just like in some areas Thrall is giant and others he isn't. It doesn't mean any of them are half ogres. Learn some fucking reading comprehension. Just as proof, here is a Thrall who is just a bit taller than a normal orc. What, its cool if Tirion and Jaina are just tall for humans like you said, but not Thrall?

http://www.gamerdna.com/uimage/2aw1f...and-thrall.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...210_203059.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vqIKkH85qp...-cataclysm.jpg

What have you got to say about this then?!?!?

How do you reconcile this to the pictures you posted of Tirion as 12 foot tall???

Clearly he is within an inch of the height of me here.

LEARN HOW TO READ! god damnit. You're incredibly frustrating with your inability to read. How do you reconcile that Jaina is extremely tall (like over 7 feet tall) in one of the pictures I posted and then absolutely gigantic in the other? How about how Thrall isn't very large at all in the pictures I posted...about the same height as Tirion, since I showed one of a night elf female standing right next to him and in others he is gigantic.

Wait for it...

Oh well, youve changed your tune then.

So it isnt the case that bosses are always huge, its just that bosses are sometimes huge.

I have met this prick Thrall anyway now.

I did a mission in the Twilight Highlands where I had to rescue one of the Eathern Ring from an Ogre (not sure if any relation to Thrall)... this led to taking on Deathwing the dragon. The mission was to kill the dragon with Thrall and his health was like 150k, thats about the same as my turtle so I had no dount I would kill the monster. However, he was out of range and I kept getting "invalid target" and rather than doing anything to fucking help Thrall kept insulting me, calling me "useless" and "weak" etc...

Despite the fact he is the former leader of the Horde and second in charge of Earthern Ring, he cant take on a 150k monster himself, and is insulting me cos Im on a ledge and the thing is out of my range doing fuck all himself to be useful. Then we both got knocked out by a fireball cos of all the time Thrall was fucking around and giving me language rather then calling the creature into range.

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I believe he lives in Durotar? To be honest next time I see this interesting great lummux of an orc its going down. I wont stand for being insulted in this manner.

I did not change my tune, I had been saying that height doesn't matter since the beginning. You sure know how to get under people's skin you troll.

Can someone tell me how you ignore a user? I've had enough of this ridiculous trolling. Not just in this thread, but every post he makes.

its quite easy.

If you want to ignore someone the best way involves not making public statements that you are ignoring them.

Personally I cannot find any excuse for the way in which Thrall behaved towards me. The explanations for the images you posted seem to me to be the use of potions and magic

Someone has already stated that Blizzard go to extreme lengths to keep continuity in the game... I think this must extend to not making Jaina Proudmore 10 feet tall in some instances. I have taken a potion that made me about two foot shorter which I got as a reward for a fising quest, and I have also had a spell cast on me in an instance which made me much taller.

Whatever Thrall's parentage, he behaved towards me as a cad and will receive the appropriate consequence for this in due course.

Ah, great found the button. Whew, that makes this thread so much better.

it's because you're playing a night elf, he's still slightly larger than the normal human model. Not that it matters since you're still straight trolling.

I know night elves are taller than normal humans.

But a picture was posted were a night elf male came up to about the waist of Tirion

I have proved that Tirion stands about as tall s a female night elf (ie about 6 6 a big man, but not a giant, not a "half ogre"

So dont accuse me of trolling. I am not the one casting spells to increase a NPCs height and then posting them and claiming its normal.

Well, you're clearly not going into Ice Crown Citadel because you'd see in the front staging area that Tirion is huge, and in the final act just before the Lich King Encounter you'd see that he's fucking gigantic.

Strange Famous, have you considered going and asking Aman'Thul or maybe Norgannon about all of this? They should clear it up for you. If anyone knows the answers, it's them.

how can you ignore sf? if you don't try to argue with him his bumbling anecdotes come off like the perspective of a goofy eric idle character from monty python... i find them funny. im waiting for him to talk about the knights who go neep helping teach thrall a lesson.

Or just go to a high level area, and ask such question in general. Eventually youll get someone willing to explain things.

PS I heard Malfurion and Illidan were gay for each other. Prove me wrong! lol

Think about it though, neither ever had a wife or girlfriend. They were always so close and emotionally bound.

haha sounds like something SF would say. He would also never accept the fact that they are brothers. He may also say that Malfurion's marriage to Tyrande is just a sham marriage to cover up the gay incest he and Illidan are having.

Exactly! ;)

I dont even know who Illidian is. If the point youre making is that I am not an expert on the game, thats certainly true. I've only played one character, Ive never been in a "raid" or a hero dungeon. I only recently managed to go through a whole battle ground without getting killed one time.

But I know the observations of my own senses. I can tell certainly that Thrall is both a coward and a cad, that his mother was probably an ogre or else a half wit, and that Sylvanas would and could kill him in one minute if it suited her goals.

Yeah, thrall must also be into bestiality because he would always ride that worg in WCIII.

I hear Sylvanas is into necrophilia.

Bestiality is a man sleeping with a beast.

Orcs are animals themselves,albeit ones with semi-human intelligence. You cannot draw the same distinctions or apply human standards.

hahha


anyways...you know humans are animals right?

I'm 78.5. Where's the best place to level to hit 80? Having trouble finding quests in icecrown and storm peaks.

edit: hit 79. I think I figured it out. They're out of phase until you get the first quest line from Dalaran.

Yeah, Icecrown in particular is INSANELY phased. It's probably a good place to quest because it will prepare you for Cata questing (which is equally, if not more, phased).

You really have to start at the beginning and progress through step by step. It makes for much more immersion in the storytelling, but it's much more restrictive in how and where you spend your game time.

I just wish there was more of an in game hint about this. Players shouldn't have to go to forums to figure this out.

There is. If you would have looked for all the quest givers they direct you to the appropriate location.

You probably skipped a quest hub somewhere thinking that a delivery quest was just that and didn't realize that it opened up a new phase or zone.

Man I haven't played in 10 days or so. Anyone else like that? They play a ton then just suddenly stop for awhile?

I have gotten bored because current raiding sucks. raid time is 7:45 but we don't start until like almost 9. I've just about given up playing and only play when the wife is around for raids. Otherwise, I'm bored grinding it out for gear.

Same.

I can't quite place the problem. There's always something to whine about with game mechanics; but nothing seems that bad. Competition with Rift, maybe?

We're struggling to fill raids, folks are leaving the game, and the people that are left don't give a shit. It's starting to feel like the end.

I still buy 60 day cards, but I almost never log on anymore. I was so jacked for Cataclysm, so we could see WoW as something new again. Unfortunately, it's not what I was looking for in the end. Sure it's fun to fly around Azeroth, yes the new quests are AMAZING and injected with a huge dose of LORE and pop-culture references, but it's just not cutting it anymore. I guess the game has become TOO diverse for me. I log in, and like IRL, end up sitting around SW bored without a goal. haha. WTB SWTOR, get a dose of a galaxy far, far away until Blizzards next big thing

I think I may actually be done with the game for good. All my friends and I quit at the same time so there's nobody to pull me back in and nobody to pull them back in. I can't complain about the game itself this time. I had fun doing the 5 man achievements for the Volcanic Stone Drake. Poor attendance and low server pop mixed with a little unwillingness to recruit blew our chances at raiding regularly. The 5 raid bosses I did kill were pretty fun though. I just kinda blew through the content available to me and called it quits. Let's just hope the next few seasons of warm weather and a good selection of games and keep me away. :)

I dont really know what raiding is or how to do it, although I hear people talking about it.

Now Im at level 85 there isnt really much to play for. I'd like to kill Thrall and the Lich King, but they are probably stronger than I ever can get... I dont even know where either of them lives to assault them anyway.

I came within like one inch of killing the Lich King in a dungeon with one other hunter, but he was saved by a certain rock fall that protected him from the airship that was about to blast him to death. I really wanted to throw down my sword and finish him with my bare fists (after the air ship had stripped him of 99% of his HP of course)

I did quit and am enjoying playing Rift. Got tired of chasing the WoW carrot.

I'm close to quitting but I get that way from time to time, I just don't play very much and then go back, Been playing Dragon Age II a lot I love that game.

Ive found a new challenge (which is hard for me at least as I have a terrible sense of direction)

I am trying to get the achievment dungeon master. I didnt do any of the dungeons through dunegon finder, Ive only every gone through them slowly. It isnt hard in terms of the enemies, but I get so lost...

I spent three hours going through Blackrock Mine.

I FINALLY found I could teleport through this drilling machine, then I had to re-murder 7 ghosts, then I was in this room... NO LIE, literally 500 dwarves attacked me in waves and I was just blasting these motherfuckers till I found the torches to open the door.

I was scared the door was gonna close after 5 mins so I was crawling at 3 MPH with about 30 dwarf bastards constantly stunning me so I couldnt move and my pet picking off one at a time... when I made it through the door I then slaughtered them all. When I finally spied the boss that I needed for the achievment I got pretty excited and started shouting "die motherfucker die motherfucker die..." and it gave me extreme pleasure to slaughter him. That bastard deserved no better than a bullet in the guts.

I must have been three hours wandering around that place lost. The enemies were all only lvl 50 so they couldnt hurt me, but when I thought those dwarves would stop me getting through the door before the torches ran out of time I was as livid as I ever have been playing WOW, other than the time Thrall disrespected me over HIS inability to kill Deathwing

I'd like to kill Thrall now, but as a single Lvl 85 character I dont think I can kill one of the bosses on my own.

Hey SF, I've been playing the game for 6 years and I still get lost in Blackrock Mountain.

I just wish my life was routine enough anymore to manage playing a game of this nature. I enjoy it but my life is just sheer chaos when it comes to scheduling. People are constantly getting pieces of my time, and I'm involved in too many side projects to give up that free time to this game anymore. Been over a month since I logged in :\

BLRM sucks! I hate that maze.

Shrug, I've spent 90% of my time playing solo. And I'm in a guild too (for the perks).

There's leveling, pick up groups, and PvP for us solo types.

I've gotten really bored with the game. I think I need another extended break from it, or perhaps I need to try some of the heavy-RP servers (e.g. Moon Guard) and do some virtual LARPing.

Anyone try it?

I played the goblin starter missions and it was the most fun Ive had on WoW

But then something really pissed me of. I was in an Alliance ship looking for treasure, and I couldnt believe... there was Thrall in a prison, helpless and at my mercy. But I couldnt attack him!

I had to free the bastard... I instantly quit and deleted the goblin character. I guess if you play on the Horde you have to expect such things, but still...

Strange, you broke one of the cardinal rules of characterization: metagaming.

Wait, what's going on with hunter? Huh?

Ive played a Paladan/Mujahideen up to Lvl 33... I really cant get used to anything else but hunter though.

I tried a few battlefields and these bastard rougues kept knifing me in the back out of nowhere.

Every battle I fight with every monster I have to get bust up, heal myself if its a boss... its a lot harder than just sending in the pet and standing back and blasting. (and play dead if the worst come to worst)

cowardly little nits sneaking around on their tippy toes.

I played wow for like 5 years on Alonsus EU server, horde side and alliance.
But the other day i got an email from blizzard saying they have rejected my credit card payment. and the fact is, nothing's wrong with my credit card. I've used it to pay for the game for 5 years. That is very strange. Anybody else got that problem?

Sounds like a phishing email.

just got back in about a month or two ago. i played rift. it didnt suck me in. wow did haha.

we will see how long i last. I just want to get to lvl 85 and get some good pvp gear and farm points.. till i get bored.

I dont know what that means, but under no circumstances will I forgive this prick Thrall the half ogre for the insults he threw at me because HE couldnt deal with Deathwing.

I joined a guild so hopefully one day we can all gang up on him and kill him.

Metagaming is when you step outside the game and look at it as a player. It's a way of "cheating the story."

Your goblin character would have no reason to kill Thrall; at least not the same reason why you, as a player, want to kill him. Did your goblin character know all the same stuff you know? Did he think the same thoughts?

Didn't think so.

Well, I always play from my own point of view, not the characters... I dont consider that an error.

I wont take missions that involve killing my brother and sister elves, although the Night Elves in the game seem to have no problem fighting the Blood Elves.