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Halx 10-19-2005 07:57 AM

Hal's Newbie Feral Breakdown

After 1.8, I respecced to 14/31/6. I am sorta regretting putting a point in Omen of Clarity - I never use it. I may respec again to 13/31/7. However, that doesn't mean I'm no longer a healer. In my Feral gear, I have about 1000 AP unbuffed and in my healing gear, I have more mana than most priests. I was still the MT healer for our Ragnaros kill.

I miss Innervate though. I'm going through mana potions like never before.

Feral is fun, but I am still learning it. I get my ass whooped in PvP. However, I do occasionally come across a mage or a priest who doesn't take me seriously.

Your Ravage crits ______ for 957.
.....
Your Ferocious Bite crits ______ for 1693.
______ dies.

I find myself doing the majority of damage to players, only to have people jump in at the last moment and steal my kill. Damn Paladins and their HoW.

Some gear off the top of my head that's helped me get that much AP... Ghostshroud, Death's Clutch, Cadaverous Armor, Belt and Pants, Wristguards of Stability, Fist of Omokk, Rank 7 gloves and boots, Band of the Ogre King.

I am trying to get the Medallion of Steadfast Might now that all of our warriors in our MC raid have it. I may get it tonight if it drops. Nat Pagle's Fish Terminator is high on my to-get list.

Now of course, with all that AP gear, my mana pool is severely gimped. I find myself switching my Cadaverous Pants with Animist's Leggings from Jek'lik. I lose a lil AP, but I get some mana back and the armor rating on those pants is like.. 260... Epic druid pants are 170. Good shit for bear form.

For bear form armor, I just use all my epics since they have the highest armor rating. All my epics are healing gear, so I am pretty much a turtle. 8500 armor unbuffed aint bad though. Now if only I can get ahold of that Medallion, I'll get the defense that really matters.

Lasereth 10-19-2005 08:21 AM

Nerf Druids. Next topic: I'm thinking about renewing my account. The new features such as improved honor system, 5-man quests that have really nice rewards, the Silithus changes, and the first expansion are really starting to make me want to play again. Right now, I play BF2 exclusively, and while it is fun, it'd also be fun to play with all of my old friends again. If I do start playing again, #1 will be getting my 52 priest to 60. #2 will be a mixture of farming for my gold back (I gave away around 600g when I quit). #3 will be possibly getting better armor for my 60 warrior. After that, I'll probably keep leveling up my mage (playing at a low level is fun). If I do go back, it'll be with my girlfriend, and if she doesn't, I won't. MMORPG without your significant other playing simply doesn't work well.

-Lasereth

-Ever- 10-19-2005 09:38 AM

Las- I've been casually rolling an alt priest on Bleeding Hollow and it's sad to never see your name appear on my very short friends list. I don't play him much but I'd definitely pick things up if you came back. My rl friend rolled there too and is loving alliance so far..

Anxst 10-19-2005 12:31 PM

Although I sold my account some time ago, I thought I'd share this with you all.

Lord of the Rings: WoW Style

If this is a repost, my apologies, but I didn't see this in the last few pages.

Scorps 10-19-2005 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxst
Although I sold my account some time ago, I thought I'd share this with you all.

Lord of the Rings: WoW Style

If this is a repost, my apologies, but I didn't see this in the last few pages.


LOL they did a good job on that:D

Zeraph 10-19-2005 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObieX
You can flip on /pvp at any time if you want that pvp experience. Trust me there's plenty of people who will line up to try to kill you when they see that red name cross anywhere near them, even on a pve server. On my server there's usually a few different PVP things going on at any time if you want to do it while waiting between battlegrounds/raids etc. Southshore vs. Tarren Mill is always a popular one.

The main benefit of non-pvp servers is the huge reduction on grief. HUUUUUUGE reduction on grief. Can't possibly stress that enough. :p

..(huge)

I play plenty of FPS games, i don't want to play WoW like that 100% of the time. It's an RPG not a FPS *shrugs*.

Exactly, it's about control. I've done the chaos thing 1 to 60 once, I don't want to do it again. Especially now that there's 3 BGs out and that's where all the pvp is nowadays anyway.

Lasereth 10-19-2005 03:15 PM

BGs PVP is terrible. :( I'm still holding on to the memory of open world PVP and hoping it comes back.

-Lasereth

Gabbyness 10-19-2005 03:42 PM

/agree with Lasereth.

Running around with a small group in WPL/EPL/Searing Gorge/BRM is still my favorite pvp.

Frosstbyte 10-19-2005 06:05 PM

It's a difference in system priorities. BG PvP is designed to allow people to get ranks in the system. World PvP was never concentrator enough nor did it have the honor bonuses that the BGs have. I think it's a lot of fun, and I love me some 5-man world PvP, but it'd be a nasty feat to get enough honor to get rank 14 if that's all you were doing.

Lasereth 10-19-2005 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
It's a difference in system priorities. BG PvP is designed to allow people to get ranks in the system. World PvP was never concentrator enough nor did it have the honor bonuses that the BGs have. I think it's a lot of fun, and I love me some 5-man world PvP, but it'd be a nasty feat to get enough honor to get rank 14 if that's all you were doing.

I got to rank 7 by doing world PVP and was well on the way to go further if BGs hadn't have came out. There was already rank 10 people on my server before BGs. It was VERY possible to gain ranks before BGs came out...it was actually waaay easier. Hell, I'll go so far to say that it was almost ten times easier to rank up before BGs came out. That's the problem here...it now takes 5 times the amount of effort as it did before to rank up, and all of that effort is spent in boring ass BGs. They need to take the damned CP bonuses out of BGs, period. That'd bring real PVP back and keep the players who want open world PVP in the game. If BGs are designed to allow people to gain ranks in the system, it's doing a PISS POOR job. Christ...it used to take 5,000 CPs to go from rank 6 to 7, and now it takes 200,000. I don't think the system is working.

-Lasereth

Frosstbyte 10-20-2005 01:18 AM

Let me rephrase. The system you described works exactly as intended. BGs were not created to increase the rate at which people gained ranks. Rather they were designed to control (and, in this case slow) the rate at which people gained ranks. BGs are much easier to keep track of than world PvP. Thus, it gave bliz the ability to slow down the rate at which people attained the higher ranks and gave them more control over the amount of time it takes to move from one rank to the next.

I'm not necessarily saying this is right or better, I'm just explaining what the system does.

Scorps 10-20-2005 10:32 AM

The server im on (Windrunner) isn't PvP but the hirde attack a lot, mostly South Shore...so no BG for me:D

Lasereth 10-20-2005 05:41 PM

Christ MMORPGs are the worst when you're not playing. I'm about to die from lack of RPG right now. AHHH!!!! I'm renewing my account this weekend.

-Lasereth

dabossy2k 10-21-2005 07:35 AM

Lol we knew you would be back haha. But na man I love this game keeps getting better will be glad when I can gank again with my rouge as the nef bat has been hitting him upside his head. But oh well every dog has his day and we will rise again. If anyone plays on Nerzhul let me know want to get a good guild going.

Zeraph 10-22-2005 03:28 PM

What's the best/fastest way to get rep now in AV? I hate to do it, but I'm thinking of just afking it, since that's the only way blizz has left for me to get any upgrades. What's the best way to keep from going afk? I'd think something external that pushes my keyboard every min or something.

Apokx 10-22-2005 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
What's the best/fastest way to get rep now in AV? I hate to do it, but I'm thinking of just afking it, since that's the only way blizz has left for me to get any upgrades. What's the best way to keep from going afk? I'd think something external that pushes my keyboard every min or something.

Take cologne bottle.(Tommy works great for this).
Make sure your keyboard is sitting flat so the bottle doesen't slide off the desk and break.
Find a nice safe spot in AV (inside your respective team's starting cave is fine).
Press down arrow key, sit bottle on the key.

The spinning keeps you from going afk, now go get food or whatever.

Apokx 10-22-2005 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
I got to rank 7 by doing world PVP and was well on the way to go further if BGs hadn't have came out. There was already rank 10 people on my server before BGs. It was VERY possible to gain ranks before BGs came out...it was actually waaay easier. Hell, I'll go so far to say that it was almost ten times easier to rank up before BGs came out. That's the problem here...it now takes 5 times the amount of effort as it did before to rank up, and all of that effort is spent in boring ass BGs. They need to take the damned CP bonuses out of BGs, period. That'd bring real PVP back and keep the players who want open world PVP in the game. If BGs are designed to allow people to gain ranks in the system, it's doing a PISS POOR job. Christ...it used to take 5,000 CPs to go from rank 6 to 7, and now it takes 200,000. I don't think the system is working.

-Lasereth

The problem with the PVP system is that it's based on farming players(just like farming npcs) instead of skill.Anyone can go queue up for any of the BG's and get a suitable rank, it just takes time.I also believe the BG's were designed more for giving players another route to get better items, because the rewards are based on reputation instead of pvp rank.

On another note, the whole game at 60 pisses me off.59 levels of easy grinding and questing, to hit a shitload of timesinks at 60.If I wanted to spend 8 hours raiding a single instance I'd have stayed with EverQuest.Strath/Scholo/UBRS/LBRS are fine, but I think they made a mistake
when they added MC and the kinds of items you get from raiding there.The gap between MC geared players and casual is getting ridiculous now.At one time keeping both types of players closer together was a concern(hi rested exp bonus) but I guess not anymore.

Frosstbyte 10-23-2005 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apokx
The gap between MC geared players and casual is getting ridiculous now.At one time keeping both types of players closer together was a concern(hi rested exp bonus) but I guess not anymore.

No argument there. In AB I frequently see people and just turn around and run away because no amount of skill is going to get me through their gear unless I have a really vigilant healer (I never do). My gear is reasonably good, but against people, especially warriors and rogues, in BWL gear, it gets UGLY. High end melee itemization is getting very powerful these days.

Zeraph 10-23-2005 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apokx
Take cologne bottle.(Tommy works great for this).
Make sure your keyboard is sitting flat so the bottle doesen't slide off the desk and break.
Find a nice safe spot in AV (inside your respective team's starting cave is fine).
Press down arrow key, sit bottle on the key.

The spinning keeps you from going afk, now go get food or whatever.

I've already tried something very similar, (the up and left arrow so i walk in circles) and it didn't work. Ill try it again though, maybe my book actually slipped off though I doubt it.

Kurant 10-23-2005 10:38 AM

WoW from when I was in beta was a pile of shit for PvP. It was no secret when I was in beta, I told people how bad it was. It always has been it always will be. Sure, the ranking systems were added, it's so beyond skewed now because of BG's. Organized raids if you have a consitant one can eaisly do 500k+ a week of CP's, sometimes more. I got to rank 9 farming CP's in Felwood pre-BG's. After that, I've fallen to rank 6 just trying to keep pace.

My guild does MC, we've killed Rag a few times now, we also run BWL and have gotten to Broodlord twice, but haven't killed him yet. The problem with it, is the constant grind. The gear keeps getting better and better, yet leaving the people behind who don't run MC. The purple PvP rewards are harder to obtain then MC gear it seems. It has to stop, gear now makes a bigger difference then it ever did in the early part of the game, and now MC is a joke with 16 debuff slots, and all the epic weapons. We clear Luci to Rag in just over 4 hours. It's a joke.

The game still lacks real content besides endless instance farming and 40 man raids. PvP is terrible, and I imagine it will remain as such. Which sucks, cause the gameplay is untouched.

The other problem is, Blizzard has a chokehold on the rest of the MMORPG market. It's going to take one hell of a game to make it with WoW still selling strong.

The game overall is faily boring now. I've got 3 BF pieces, 4 NS pieces, a Gutgore, and a Corehound.. Quick Strike ring, Myrmidons Signet, and really, getting gear anymore is brutally stale.

Zeraph 10-23-2005 10:39 AM

Ya, it didnt work. How long ago did it work for you? And can you describe exactly what you did? Like which key, the arrow key or A key? Were any of the numbers pushed down as well or any other keys? Did you have anyone selected? Thanks.

Lasereth 10-23-2005 01:00 PM

I still don't think the PVP in WoW sucks...I think it's the best any MMORPG has ever offered. In other MMOs a priest can't fight without a warrior. In WoW they can. Each class has a chance against every other class. What IS ruined right now is the honor system, but I've gave up on that and am now just gonna do what I want, when I want. I'm installing WoW right now. :)

-Lasereth

Destrox 10-23-2005 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
I've already tried something very similar, (the up and left arrow so i walk in circles) and it didn't work. Ill try it again though, maybe my book actually slipped off though I doubt it.


Its worked for me a number of times. I always hated as a mage if you plan on playing for a long period of time but have to go somewhere real quick and lose hundreds of level 60 water.

snowy 10-23-2005 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
I'm installing WoW right now. :)

-Lasereth

Junkie. :P

Zeraph 10-23-2005 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destrox
Its worked for me a number of times. I always hated as a mage if you plan on playing for a long period of time but have to go somewhere real quick and lose hundreds of level 60 water.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
Ya, it didnt work. How long ago did it work for you? And can you describe exactly what you did? Like which key, the arrow key or A key? Were any of the numbers pushed down as well or any other keys? Did you have anyone selected? Thanks.


I'm trying to figure out if they recently changed it, or if we're doing something different.

Apokx 10-23-2005 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
I'm trying to figure out if they recently changed it, or if we're doing something different.


I tried it today while doing an Arathi Basin run.AFK tag went up, then went away.I hadn't used it in a while, so apparently it was changed.

Zeraph 10-23-2005 08:41 PM

Lasereth-NM about the duel/afk thing, already tested it.

Looks like I'll have to try something external. No idea what though. Mabye one of those wooden/glass dipping birds and a really sensitive keyboard.

seretogis 10-24-2005 02:21 AM

I got a new toy!

Claw of Chromaggus
Binds when picked up
Unique
One-Hand Dagger
37 - 90 Damage Speed 1.50
(42.3 damage per second)
+17 Intellect
+7 Stamina
Requires Level 60
Passive: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 64.
Passive: Restores 4 mana every 5 sec.

My Frostbolts hit for about 900 now with this puppy (and a +30 damage enchant). My highest crit so far with trinkets+AP is about 3400.

http://www.seretogis.org/files/linka...;s_new_toy.jpg

Halx 10-24-2005 09:50 AM

Good god. We have mages in our raid who have been waiting for the mageblade to drop for months. It hasn't dropped once and we're starting on BWL now. If all goes well, we may get that thing before the fucking mageblade drops. Heh.

Zeraph 10-24-2005 10:15 AM

And people say magic damage isnt scalable...

Gabbyness 10-24-2005 11:07 AM

Holy wow.

That's bananas.

-Ever- 10-24-2005 11:13 AM

Awesome Seretogis.

Our guild is finally rolling pretty hard. We've gotten Rag the past two weeks with the prior being our first, Onyxia is lolonyxia, and we also killed the tiger, panther, and hakkar in ZG for the first time as well. We're starting to bring in lots of purples constantly and we're only getting stronger. It's a good feeling seeing that there's been handfulls of drama to get here :)

Reese 10-24-2005 05:21 PM

I just canceled my account and when I log in to say bye to everyone I see razer get invited back to the guild. You junkie :)

I'm just bored with the game, I can barely bring myself to play 3 hours a day yet it takes longer than that for a rogue to find a group for anything so it's either a PUG arathi basin or solo pvp in the plaguelands and that sucks because there's so few people out soloing now. Maybe my classes will be given a little love by the time expansion comes around..

Reese 60 Priest
Elara 60 Pally
Bard 60 Rogue
Chuchawee 35 shammy - Random name generator FTW!

Scorps 10-27-2005 11:04 AM

I want that mageblade....lol im almost lvl 59 and I can crit for 2000+, my mage is Fire/Arcane

Lasereth 11-04-2005 12:32 PM

I'm going hardcore PVP since I returned. Me and my druid and paladin friends are doing AB a lot. I got 120,000 CPs last week and skipped a rank! I'm going for Knight-Captain so I can get the leggings and chestplate. Hell I might go further since I have a lot of school breaks coming up. AB isn't that bad...unlike WSG and AV. I still miss open-world PVP, but it's refreshing to be able to rank up spending the same amount of time as pre-BGs, just in a more concentrated environment. Oh, and lost the roll on the Valor BP to a 58 warrior last night. WEE!! Ha ha.

-Lasereth

Scorps 11-05-2005 07:00 PM

I want to get my rouge to lvl 39-40 so I can go PvP crazy...I find lvl 60 PvP with a mage to suck!

Zeraph 11-06-2005 10:59 AM

Lvl 60 pvp sucks for most people/classes. Even rogues. (Unless you are epic geared and roll with a group/guild that works really well together)

Stompy 11-08-2005 08:05 AM

Yeah, I heard Rogues have it the worst out of any class when it comes to reaching lv 60.

While you can keep playing the game w/ other classes, it's pretty much "game over" for Rogues because they're somewhat out of place in certain groups (or so I've read).

There's a LOT of people voicing their opinions and complaining about it, so I'm guessing it's a valid problem.

lagoonguy 11-08-2005 09:50 AM

Well i finally joined up. Playing on deathwing, haven't met up with my high level friends yet... I'll probably have to roam around myself for a bit before i level up enough to join em. I'm a Troll rogue, and the last post saying rogues are the hardest make me gulp a bit. That backstab sure works doozies though.

Lasereth 11-08-2005 10:41 AM

I'll agree with rogues having it the worst at 60 concerning PvE and groups, but in PVP, they're still the strongest PVP class. Not because of their overall damage (even though it is high), not because of their stuns (even though they're powerful), but simply because rogues choose when and where they fight. If they know they can't win, they can vanish and sprint away. Even if they're DoT'ed and the vanish breaks, they're still sprinting away and will be out of combat before anyone catches up.

-Lasereth

Frosstbyte 11-08-2005 04:16 PM

Pick up group end game play and guild-raid end game play are two very different things. Rogues generally have problems with PUGs because PUGs are uncoordinated and are basically 5-15 people doing what they would do alone but in a group so that all of them are kind of doing the same thing. That means the rogues pull aggro, which means that healers spam heals and then the rogue dies and then the healer dies. Game, set, match. So if you're going for unguilded end game PvE, then yeah, being a rogue is going to suck.

If you get into a guild that is coordinated and on TS or vent and knows what it is doing, you're going to be a valued DPS class that is all but required for some fights. Anyone ever try to take down Hexxar without a decent number of rogues? It's very difficult. Sure, you have to pay attention to getting high FR gear so AoE stuff in MC won't fry your pretty little face, but that's part of the job description. Endgame in WoW is VERY different than 0-60 for every class. DPS classes need to take their aggro levels very seriously. Mana-users need to learn mana control for 5 to 20 minute fights. Paladins and shamans need to learn that they're healers and not DPS classes. And tanking Onyxia is a far cry from tanking Baron Rivendare or Princess or Von Cleef.

Find a good group of people to play with and adapt to your class's new functionality at 60. They're not any harder or any easier than anyone else and they're far from useless. I wish people would stop making sweeping ridiculous statements that they are.

Halx 11-08-2005 04:30 PM

I've recently gone along on an MC run where most of the people are just starting out. I went as Feral DPS. I out-DPSed the rogues during trash mobs. I had to go healbot during the boss fights though.

Too bad all the good feral epics are in BWL.

Zeraph 11-08-2005 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
I'll agree with rogues having it the worst at 60 concerning PvE and groups, but in PVP, they're still the strongest PVP class. Not because of their overall damage (even though it is high), not because of their stuns (even though they're powerful), but simply because rogues choose when and where they fight. If they know they can't win, they can vanish and sprint away. Even if they're DoT'ed and the vanish breaks, they're still sprinting away and will be out of combat before anyone catches up.

-Lasereth

Oh good once every 5 mins I can escape, woop de do, too bad I like to fight more than once every 5 minutes. :| Maybe if pvp death meant something that'd be nice.

For any who read, Lasereth is really talking about solo or small group in world pvp, which there is very little of now a days as blizzard stresses large group pvp in BGs. It's a valid viewpoint, but one few people participate in anymore. BGs are a whole lot different than ganking someone fighting a mob that's trying to level. In large group pvp stunlock is crap (takes too long), you fight way more than once every 5 mintues, and you don't really get to choose when to fight, only who to target first. And half the classes can approach your damage pretty easily.

Zeraph 11-08-2005 09:49 PM

Frossbyte, I dunno about you, but Ive never really seen aggro as that big a problem for rogues in PUGs or otherwise. The problem is rogues usually arnt worth the hassle (mana and a healers attention) of keeping alive (from AOEs). We really need some kind of evasion like in DnD that gives us a chance to dodge or take half damage from AOEs.

Frosstbyte 11-09-2005 01:23 AM

My guild took down Vael last night. That was very exciting. Of course, now we're wiping on Razorgore again. These gatekeeper fights are very nasty. Hopefully people will get their crap together so we can make progress in the instance and not on our repair bills!

Lasereth 11-09-2005 09:57 AM

Well you guys said 60 PVP sucks, not 60 BGs sucks for rogues, so that's why I posted that. I think BGs sucks for all classes. If you're attacking a flag that is defending, you usually die immediately no matter what class you are. Hell, if you attack a single horde that is on defense mode, you're usually gonna lose simply because they always call for reinforcements ASAP. The BGs are boring as fuck, but it's the only way to compete in the honor system. :(

-Lasereth

Zeraph 11-09-2005 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
Well you guys said 60 PVP sucks, not 60 BGs sucks for rogues, so that's why I posted that. I think BGs sucks for all classes. If you're attacking a flag that is defending, you usually die immediately no matter what class you are. Hell, if you attack a single horde that is on defense mode, you're usually gonna lose simply because they always call for reinforcements ASAP. The BGs are boring as fuck, but it's the only way to compete in the honor system. :(

-Lasereth

I know, sucks :(

However, while I havn't played every class, I have gotten a good feel with the hunter in BGs, and let me tell you, it is so refreshing. I very rarely die, my last WSG my score was something like 24 KBs and 2 deaths (one of the top scores. We lost too, so it wasn't because we were dominating). And it was all because of range, I have the +6 yards or whatever range talent and just tried to make sure I was always near max. They could rarely touch me, if I had a healer even half heartedly watching my health (I got literally like 1 heal the whole time) I would have never died. My point is BGs seem to suck the most for melees.

For comparision, with my rogue I can get near the top KBs as well, but my deaths almost always match it or come close.

dabossy2k 11-09-2005 02:05 PM

Ya melee's seem to have it the worst in BGs being at range FTW. Love it I played a rouge up to 60 and then now am leveling a hunter and even though the strats are different being at range out of the mix so much is a lot better in large scale PVP. Seems but warriors will live forever with a good healer backing them up rogues are paper once out of stealth they are a target and dead. And so much knocks them out of stealth its not even funny. Hope they get to rouges soon as I would love to be back in the ganking buisness.

Lasereth 11-09-2005 02:34 PM

Yeah, BGs can be fun, but ONLY if you have a good healer with you...and by good, I mean one that heals you when a horde attacks, not just when your HP gets low. I was grouped with two paladins and a shadow priest last night and we simply devastated any group that came near us. One time we had 2 groups of 4 attack us back to back without a break and the four of us killed all 8. :) It was awesome. The paladins shielded even when they weren't low HP...but when their heals were interrupted. They'd shield just to be able to heal ME. That's a good paladin, a good team player, and someone who knows how to rack in the CPs. The shadow priest would switch out of shadow form, shield me, heal the paladins, and then switch back in in the blink of an eye. I hope to group with them more. :) Being at range does suck...it makes group PVP a pain without the aforementioned crew.

-Lasereth

ObieX 11-17-2005 04:58 PM

:)
http://media.putfile.com/Who-is-Leroy-Jenkins

Locobot 11-17-2005 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ObieX

What a hilarious reference. Wonder what intern slipped Leeroy Jenkins in there. What NOOBs to not have gotten that too.

Scorps 11-17-2005 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ObieX


OMG thats the best :thumbsup:

Destrox 11-17-2005 07:59 PM

Holy shit that is to fuckin funny , lol!

I'm not even sure I'd want to answer that on national tele.

Frosstbyte 11-18-2005 02:48 AM

First, that Leeroy video had me in absolute stitches. I don't know who slipped that in there or why or how, but damn, that's genius. Shame on those kids for not knowing the answer.

Second, the hunter epic quest is a horrible pain in my ass. I've done two of the demons and I know how to do the one in Silithus, but the Winterspring demon kicks me in the balls every time. I must be on my fourth or fifth series of attempts on him and I'm nowhere close. Somewhere in the 70% range is the best I can seem to get. Kiting has never been a strategy that I've used much, especially staying at maximum range like is necessary here (yes, I lose to warriors in PvP all the time because of that).

Fortunately or unfortunately, my inability to not be a newb has been a moot point because we can't get Onyxia to drop a mature black dragon sinew anyway. Ah well.

sailor 11-18-2005 03:17 AM

Well, I cancelled my account the other day. Several reasons for this--I had become bored with the grind, didn't have time to devote 4+ hours to instance running, and my internet connection currently sucks, so I couldn't really play without lagging anyways.

I might come back when I get better internet. I'd really like to make it to 60, but there's just not really anything compelling me :|

YaWhateva 11-18-2005 10:14 AM

Okay, I have a question, would WoW be worth getting into now? Some of my friends are playing it and trying to get me to play.

Cynthetiq 11-18-2005 10:19 AM

sure.. people start new characters all the time...

YaWhateva 11-18-2005 11:25 AM

Okay, I was just making sure that the community wasnt dying down, because that's what seems to be happening with Guild Wars. :(

Cynthetiq 11-18-2005 11:44 AM

my server used to not be full.. now I have to sometimes wait to log on during peak times...

they just opened 5 more realms if I recall.

Chingal0 11-18-2005 03:08 PM

Frosstbyte, here you go.

http://tkasomething.com/avatarfaq.php

That site helped me out a ton, course I already knew how to kite from years of EQ, but this guide helped alot.

Justsomeguy 11-18-2005 04:02 PM

Is the population of this game still growing? If so, I'm surprised. After playing several mmorpg's, I now hate pretty much all of them. Too time consuming and just not fun.

Everquest original was fun. I even enjoyed FFXI a little. And vaguely Ultima. However, WoW was bad when I played it and I could not imagine it being any better. It definitely never came close to offering what EQ classic did.

Frosstbyte 11-18-2005 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chingal0
Frosstbyte, here you go.

http://tkasomething.com/avatarfaq.php

That site helped me out a ton, course I already knew how to kite from years of EQ, but this guide helped alot.

Yeah, it's not a problem of knowing what to do, it's a problem of knowing how to do it. I don't know how to jump-shoot, so I have to strafe-kite and it's just a pain in my butt.

Thanks for the help, though.

Scorps 11-19-2005 12:34 AM

Quick question...Im rank 2 PvP I got 95 HK's in like 4 hours will that move me to rank 3??

Lasereth 11-19-2005 08:32 AM

The HKs don't matter...how many contribution points did you get (honor)? My guess is hell no, but I could be wrong. It depends on how PVP-centered your server is as well. On my server, it takes 30,000 CPs to get above rank 2. That's around 5 hours of Arathi Basin plus at least 400-500 HKs.

-Lasereth

Frosstbyte 11-20-2005 01:51 AM

It takes 30k CP to get rank 2? Damn. I'm going to be holding rank 6 with less than 40k on Shattered Hand. (our server sucks for PvP, by the way)

Lasereth 11-20-2005 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
It takes 30k CP to get rank 2? Damn. I'm going to be holding rank 6 with less than 40k on Shattered Hand. (our server sucks for PvP, by the way)

Bleeding Hollow usually follows this CP statistic:

Rank 1 = 25 kills
Rank 2 = 30,000 CPs
Rank 3 = 40,000 CPs
Rank 4 = 60,000 CPs
Rank 5 = 80,000 CPs
Rank 6 = 120,000 CPs
Rank 7 = 150,000 CPs
Rank 8 = 180,000 CPs
Rank 9 = 300,000 CPs
Rank 10 = 500,000 CPs
Rank 11 = 1,000,000 CPs

You can imagine how bad it gets after rank 11. There are people on my server that get 400,000 a week, so it's not hard for the absolute freakshows. I personally can't sit in AB for 24/7, so I usually get 50-100k a week casually.

-Lasereth

seretogis 11-23-2005 01:53 PM

Well, 1.9 is on the public test realm now, so you can see what I look like in full Netherwind (tier 2). It's... different.... :P

Primary = Claw of Chromaggus
Offhand = Master Dragonslayer's Orb (Nef's Head reward)

http://www.seretogis.org/files/linka...netherwind.jpg

BigGov 11-26-2005 02:30 AM

Do you get all the coolest equipment on the test realm automatically or do you still have to work for it?

Frosstbyte 11-26-2005 02:31 AM

All demons dead. Runed staff in hand. Onyxia must drop her sinew! You kind of have to wonder why it's so damn hard to get sinew from her. I mean, she's a huge freaking dragon. Can't I just reach in and grab a handful?

Apokx 11-26-2005 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGov
Do you get all the coolest equipment on the test realm automatically or do you still have to work for it?

You copy your characters over exactly as they are.

So you work for new items.

seretogis 11-27-2005 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGov
Do you get all the coolest equipment on the test realm automatically or do you still have to work for it?

I have full Netherwind on the live server, I just copied my character over to Test to see what it will look like when 1.9 is patched.

Crack 11-29-2005 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seretogis
I have full Netherwind on the live server, I just copied my character over to Test to see what it will look like when 1.9 is patched.


Please tell me you are not on a PvP server, that would just hurt my feelings...
:hmm:

I just got my 3rd piece of arcanist (gloves/sholders/robe) on Bleeding Hollow and I was out rolled on my freaking ToEP... bastards... almost exaulted with AV though (about 2000 rep off), so I can finally get a nice off hand for my mageblade...

Frosstbyte 11-29-2005 01:56 AM

Ony coughed up her sinew as hoped. I'm the proud new owner of my epic bow and staff. Yay! I celebrated by two-shotting a bunch of mages in AB. Sorry Sere, your kind is just so squishy right now! (especially when they're too stupid to blink towards me or otherwise prevent my aimed shot from going off in their face)

ObieX 11-29-2005 02:26 AM

LOL its always fun to watch hunters when I blink close to themr. They always stand there confused as to what to do. Most try to back up to get range, and i just follow them dumping instant cast spells. Maybe i'll hit frost nova and stay in that sweet spot between melee and ranged. The confusion is priceless tho. :p

Lasereth 11-29-2005 05:26 AM

I did poorly last week!! I only got around 65,000 CPs. That won't get me to Knight Captain. Damn holidays! You'd figure it'd be easier to play more often during holidays, but stuff kept coming up and I just couldn't stay in AB for any extended period of time. Oh well, it'll get me pretty damn close to Knight Captain (I was already 2/5 through).

-Lasereth

MrFlux 11-29-2005 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObieX
LOL its always fun to watch hunters when I blink close to themr. They always stand there confused as to what to do. Most try to back up to get range, and i just follow them dumping instant cast spells. Maybe i'll hit frost nova and stay in that sweet spot between melee and ranged. The confusion is priceless tho. :p

I hate mages... however, sounds like these hunters need to get Scatter Shot so they stand a chance, otherwise that "sweet spot" is gunna get them fucked in the ass ~_~ Before I had scattershot, a mage beat me before I could even damage him because of the deadzone :/

Carno 11-29-2005 07:11 PM

Well, I did it.

I finally broke down and downloaded the 10 day trial of WoW. Two weeks before finals week, no less. I'm doomed.

ObieX 11-29-2005 08:28 PM

LOL i wouldn't start that till after finals. Seriously :p

Gabbyness 11-29-2005 08:43 PM

Every now and then a mage will blink next to me and get plowed with an 800pt raptor strike. It rarely happens, but I get pretty fired up when it does!

Lasereth 11-30-2005 09:46 AM

I got 7/8 towards Knight Captain. I'll definitely have it down on Tuesday. Getting awfully close to Lieutenant Commander! :) I'm stopping at rank 10. It's actually more absurd than I initially realized on my server to get past rank 10. A guy in my guild got 570,000 CPs last week and it put him 1/4 through rank 12...I don't think so.

-Lasereth

Scorps 12-01-2005 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
Ony coughed up her sinew as hoped. I'm the proud new owner of my epic bow and staff. Yay! I celebrated by two-shotting a bunch of mages in AB. Sorry Sere, your kind is just so squishy right now! (especially when they're too stupid to blink towards me or otherwise prevent my aimed shot from going off in their face)


LMAO I blink away from people like you :lol:

Lasereth 12-02-2005 06:36 AM

I did Molten Core for the first time last night. That was really fun!! Had a bunch of great drops and hopefully next time I'll have a chance at the Obsidian Edged Blade (I'll have enough DKP then!). We took down Lucifron, Magmadar, Gehennas, Garr, Baron Geddon, and Shazzrah. The Obsidian Edged Blade dropped off of Baron and a Paladin used his DKP on it. Whatever!!

-Lasereth

MrFlux 12-02-2005 03:25 PM

Haha our first OEB went to a pally too, and the next one went to a Warrior who used it for about a week then got Bonereaver's Edge hehe.

Crack 12-03-2005 02:10 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...t/Arcanist.jpg

My Mage Lucius in Arcanist/Azuresong Mageblade. I am only wearing 3 pieces in the Pic, got all my +damage gear on for PvP.

Frostbolts normal hit for around 820-860ish I have a SS somewhere of me criting a Rogue in AV with my battle standard/AV buff/Flask of supreme power for 2950-something. I love 1 shotting people.

Nice dress ehh?

Hardknock 12-03-2005 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carn
Well, I did it.

I finally broke down and downloaded the 10 day trial of WoW. Two weeks before finals week, no less. I'm doomed.

I've been thinking about getting this. Do you have to pay to play like star wars galaxies?

seretogis 12-03-2005 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackprogram
Please tell me you are not on a PvP server, that would just hurt my feelings...
:hmm:

I just got my 3rd piece of arcanist (gloves/sholders/robe) on Bleeding Hollow and I was out rolled on my freaking ToEP... bastards... almost exaulted with AV though (about 2000 rep off), so I can finally get a nice off hand for my mageblade...

Sorry! We're on Mannoroth, one of the first PvP servers that came up on release day. We have -- I think -- eight guilds that have killed Nefarian so far, which is more than I've heard of any other server except perhaps Shattered Hand.

Frosstbyte 12-03-2005 06:34 PM

I'm on Shattered Hand and I don't think we have eight yet. Drama, Indomitable and Death and Taxes have kills for the Alliance, but I believe only Relentless has a kill for horde. There are at least four guilds, I think, that are ON Nef but haven't killed him yet. WarEnsemble and Riders of the Apocalypse are very close, but haven't done it yet, so you guys might be ahead of us. For having the first kill, our entire server certainly isn't all caught up to that point.

In other, less exciting, news, my second guild in as many months fell apart, so I'm on the hunt...again. Thank goodness Onyxia coughed up her sinew on Monday before things went to shit. I could've been waiting for a LONG time if I didn't get it then. Ah well, I think I have pretty good prospects in a guild that's working on Firemaw now. Assuming I get in, that's a pretty lateral move for me, so I'm hopeful that stuff will work out.

4evar 12-03-2005 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
I'm on Shattered Hand and I don't think we have eight yet. Drama, Indomitable and Death and Taxes have kills for the Alliance, but I believe only Relentless has a kill for horde. There are at least four guilds, I think, that are ON Nef but haven't killed him yet. WarEnsemble and Riders of the Apocalypse are very close, but haven't done it yet, so you guys might be ahead of us. For having the first kill, our entire server certainly isn't all caught up to that point.

In other, less exciting, news, my second guild in as many months fell apart, so I'm on the hunt...again. Thank goodness Onyxia coughed up her sinew on Monday before things went to shit. I could've been waiting for a LONG time if I didn't get it then. Ah well, I think I have pretty good prospects in a guild that's working on Firemaw now. Assuming I get in, that's a pretty lateral move for me, so I'm hopeful that stuff will work out.

Yup only 4 guilds on SH have killed Nef.

Carno 12-04-2005 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardknock
I've been thinking about getting this. Do you have to pay to play like star wars galaxies?

You don't have to pay for the trial, but you do have to cough up a credit card number. It then asks you what payment plan you want so it can auto charge your account after the ten days is up.

So if you decide you don't like the game, make sure you cancel your account or you will buy a month of game time.

Lasereth 12-05-2005 09:39 AM

I have 50k this week. YEE HAW for Knight-Captain tomorrow. I've been waiting for this rank since April (no joke!!). After Tuesday, it's only 2 ranks to my WoW goal (Lieutenant Commander). Then I'm done with my warrior for a while and it's priest time.

-Lasereth

Crack 12-06-2005 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
I have 50k this week. YEE HAW for Knight-Captain tomorrow. I've been waiting for this rank since April (no joke!!). After Tuesday, it's only 2 ranks to my WoW goal (Lieutenant Commander). Then I'm done with my warrior for a while and it's priest time.

-Lasereth


come outside and duel me laz, I wanna see how the warrior has progressed! :P

dabossy2k 12-06-2005 01:38 PM

Hey video tape that I want to see you guys battle.

MrFlux 12-06-2005 02:07 PM

So I got to rank 6 this week and all you get is a new Tabard?

~_~

Lasereth 12-07-2005 04:38 AM

I got rank 8!! My warrior is totally badass now. :) I still need a new weapon though. Here's a few screenshots.

<IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/rank8b.jpg>

<IMG SRC=http://www.appstate.edu/~bt52438/rank8A.jpg>

-Lasereth

Lasereth 12-07-2005 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crackprogram
come outside and duel me laz, I wanna see how the warrior has progressed! :P

For some reason I have the feeling you're a Frost mage. No thanks. :)

-Lasereth

Cynthetiq 12-07-2005 08:03 PM

Quote:

COMM 3344: Games for the web (Interactive multimedia)
Spring 2005

Dr. Aaron Delwiche (adelwich@trinity.edu)
Course meeting times: T + TH 2:10 - 3:25 (RCC 400 /402)
Office Hours: M + F 10:30-1:30T + TH 9:30 - 11:30
Office: Laurie 363
Phone: 999-8153

Course description

A staple of nerd subculture for almost three decades, role-playing games have taken on new life in the era of networked computing. High-speed connections, sophisticated graphics and powerful microprocessors have paved the way for massively multiplayer games (MMOs) such as City of Heroes, Star Wars Galaxies, and Second Life.

The popularity of these virtual environments is staggering. At any given moment, at least 90,000 players are interacting with one another in Norrath -- the fictional world of Everquest. With game characters and virtual objects fetching thousands of dollars on eBay, sweat shops have been set up in developing nations to service this micro-economy (Dibbell, 2003). According to one recent study, the world of Everquest is the 77th richest “nation” on the planet with a per-capita GNP that outstrips China and India (Castranova, 2002).

In recent months, we have seen the emergence of second generation MMOs characterized by stunning visuals, improved artificial intelligence, and game dynamics that appeal to a broader variety of playing styles. One of these games, World of Warcraft, sold 250,000 copies in November 2004. It was the most successful PC game launch in history, outstripping the sales of Halo 2, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and Half-Life 2.

Of course, MMOs are just one subset of a much larger videogame industry. From home gaming consoles to arcade-based machines, gamers are confronted with a staggering array of choices. As more individuals turn to interactive media for entertainment, television and film audiences are dwindling. In 1999, “total videogame software and hardware sales in the U.S. reached $8.9 billion, versus $7.3 billion for movie box-office receipts” (Poole, 2000, p. 6). Clearly, videogames are here to stay.

In this course, we will conduct an ethnographic study of the behaviors, cultural practices, and motivations of MMO gamers. Along the way, we will play and critically analyze a variety of videogames. In addition to exploring game mechanics and video-game aesthetics, we will investigate sociological and psychological dimensions of virtual worlds as well as social controversies surrounding game violence and gender representations.

We have three objectives:

1. to explore themes of cyberculture studies through sustained interaction with other residents of World of Warcraft

2. to understand the behaviors, cultural practices, and motivations of MMO players through the use of ethnographic methods

3. to develop a critical vocabulary for analyzing all types of videogames

Prior technical and gaming experience is not required for this course.

Course requirements and materials

Readings will be drawn from the course packet and from two assigned texts.

Communication 3344-1: Games for the web

Richard Bartle (2003) Designing virtual worlds. Berkeley: New Riders Games.

Vernor Vinge and James Frenkel (2001) True names: And the opening of the cyberspace frontier. New York: Tor Books.

World of Warcraft game software ($45)

World of Warcraft monthly subscription ($15/month. First month is free.)
The course packet, which costs $___, is available at Kinko’s Paw Prints on the third floor of Coates Library. You are responsible for all assigned readings, even if they are not addressed during class.

Throughout the semester, we will spend a significant amount of time in World of Warcraft. This virtual world is an ideal location for studying on-line gamers, cyberculture, and videogame aesthetics. A significant amount of class time will be spent in the game-world, but you are also expected to devote at least five hours a week to ethnographic research within World of Warcraft. To ensure that everyone spends enough time in the virtual world, two group gaming sessions will be held between 6:30 and 9:00 on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings. You are expected to attend at least one of these sessions each week.

You are welcome to play the game on the lab computers when other classes are not using the facilities, and you may also be able to install the game on your personal system. If you want to install the game on your home system, it must meet basic system requirements.

If your computer is more than two years old, your graphics card may not be capable of rendering this three-dimensional environment. If this is the case, you will have to access the game via the lab machines.

LINK

Woah.... now that's pretty incredible...

Frosstbyte 12-08-2005 12:33 AM

Did I mention I'm going to drop out of law school and take that class?

Kthx. In other news, new guild, broodlord dead on first try, firemaw to 10%. He's going down tomorrow. Go us!

dabossy2k 12-08-2005 10:22 AM

Now thats a class. But in other news any guilds recruiting on any server I want to join a raiding guild.

Halx 12-08-2005 03:00 PM

Heh.. my guild is recruiting.. we're going to start doing MC/BWL runs. We actually know MC inside and out, but we haven't ever been big enough to run it by ourselves - only in an alliance. How fast can you get to 60? :p We're Alliance on Silvermoon.

lagoonguy 12-08-2005 03:22 PM

Anyone playing on Deathwing server as Horde? I'm a lvl 19 troll rogue, ReeRov.


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