Fuck! I am stupid...

Cut to last night. I hit 39 on my warrior (with only 40g in my pocket :mad: ), I go back to Org, buy some plate equipment (which is more important than getting a mount immediately IMO), put up some auctions, and decide to do something else, instead of go back to the grind. Well today is my day off, so I thought "instead of grinding well into the early morning, I'll go to bed now and wake up rested and ready to get some exp and money". Now here's where I'm stupid...

Today is Tuesday! Weekly maintanence is always on a Tuesday, and doesn't stop until about 12pm my time. I open up WoW anyway, and it says the maintanence will last about 6 hours. I immediately get a funny feeling, as I had heard rumors that the patch would be released on 4/19. I try to go to worldofwarcraft.com....and it's taking forever...Yep, the patch is here.

I have another 3 hours to go until it "should" be back up. And when I log on, I'll know I kick ass, because the entire patch was devoted to Thunder Clap's improved animation. Blizzard; always hitting the core issues.

that's why one shouldn't be sick or play hooky on Tuesdays.

anyone care to comment on the PvP Honor goodies?

I love that they are selling full sets of wickedly cool armor. Hell the mounts look sweet too.

Let's just hope that this patch runs smoothly and we can all play as soon as they are done.

Honestly, I think the PvP system is going to be a total waste of time. I think the idea is good, but the amount of work necessary to get any of the really cool stuff just isn't worth my time or energy. I mean, you put in a lot of time grinding instances to get the endgame gear and once you have it, it's yours. If you decide to take a while off from the game, it's still going to be there when you get back. With the PvP rewards, it's just going to be a constant grind to maintain a rank so you can keep using the gear. Not my idea of fun.

Hahaha, that's too funny! Beat you to it I guess ;)
Just send a /t my way on dethecus if you feel like starting a char there.

--jaded

whoops, delete this post, please...

The way I understood it, is you could never lose your rank. Whether you just don't keep up your honorable kills or if you have a streak of dishonorable kills. I'll have to read up on it a bit more, though, in case I'm wrong.

Edit: I just read up on it...if you don't keep up with PvP, you can slide down ranks. That's rediculous...

So if you lose your rank, does your equipment just disappear?? And are the mounts that cost "90g" for the honor system also the new epic 1000g mounts? You don't lose those mounts if you slide down, do you?

I'm looking forward to messing around with the PvP Honor System, even though I'm notoriously bad at PvP :lol:

Anyone play on Llane or Stormreaver? If so shoot me a tell on:

Shivering 60 Undead Mage (Llane)
Supernal 37 Tauren Shaman (Stormreaver)

Your equipment won't disappear, but you won't be able to use it until you get back up to that rank. Think of it as having a level 49 sword in your inventory, but only being level 48. And then imagine you have to grind players for a week until the next honor tally... They have an "honor tally" sort of thing at the end of the week and that's when you can go up or down in rank.

As for the mount, I'd assume that too requires you to be the corresponding rank. You won't lose it, but you won't be able to use it. So if you want to keep your 90g epic mount, you'd better start killing. And it looks really similar to the new epic mount art.

Honor system epic mount:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/i...pvp-2/ss09.jpg

New epic mount model:
http://wowvault.ign.com/travel/images/orangeraptor.jpg

You can lose your rank if other players kill more horde or alliance than you. This will happen whether you want it to or not. You do NOT lose the armor and mounts you bought, you simply lose the ability to use them if you lose your rank.

-Lasereth

So there's definitely going to be people playing exclusively to keep/gain ranks huh. Things are going to be rather interesting from here on out, lol

Of course this patch comes out the day after my subscribtion time runs out and I have to take a break.

Hmm new patch reassigned me to a different realm and my characters aren't showing anywhere...

looks like we get to wait for Blizzard to patch the patch

15 minutes played, 8 honor kills :D

And now for the regular tuesday issues :(

--jaded

A lot of the servers are down and that's why...it's not the patch :)

Ok, I got 3 TFP people on my friends list on Silvermoon now!

Wheres everyone else?

I'm over on Destromath :D but I don't think anyone else from TFP is...

39 human warlock by the name of Laurelin.

i'll come over when i can transfer my toon from skullcrusher

:/ what faction are you anyway?

I'm on Uldum.. The nicest Realm on the planet.. Occasional lag.. but that's pretty prevalent everywhere...

Look me up.. Name's Aenima

currently 55 undead warrior...

Can I just say I think the Honor System blows!!!!!!!!! With massive raids in SS/TM, IF, and SW going on can only mean one thing: massive, mountainous lag for the rest of us. In The Hinterlands my ping was spiking over 1500. If you want to PVP go to a PVP server and let the rest of us play in peace.

/rant off

The PvP "honor system" may be one of the most ill-conceived things ever implemented. And forget the server lag. Lots of people who play have too much system lag to deal with this. Based on what I've read, this is a problem across all server types. I have no idea what Bliz can do to fix this besides turning the system off until they can better regulate it. Right now being in contested territory is basically suicide unless you're 55+. Even then, you better have the greater number of 55+ so your side doesn't get totally smoked. I'll be in instances and obscure (as possible) towns for the next few months. See you in IF....never.

I played for about 2 hours tonight. It came to a point where both lag and all the massive amounts of raids made me say "Ok, I can't get anything done until people start logging off." I'm pretty sure that this spike in raids is just because the honor system was just released. Everyone is just jumping at the chance to get high honor immediately. Soon after people realize it'll take weeks of these constant raids, they'll either drop off tremendously, or they'll be commonplace, every day, every hour. If the latter happens, you can be sure Blizzard will reconsider the honor system. Either by taking it out altogether (they'll lose a ton of customers if they do that) or by giving dishonorable kills for killing grey players and having HUGE penalties for doing so. That would hopefully discourage players from raiding low to mid level towns. I mean, if you could lose your actual level from killing say, 20 grey players, you'd never see raids in Tarren Mill. That may not be the best route, but it'd be much better than seeing a raid at EVERY town you try to level at.

I won't even bring up how imbalanced alliance to horde ratio is...but uh...horde cities may be ghost towns if this isn't looked in to.

Edit: I was in a raid group tonight, DEFENDING Tarren Mill, and I racked up 94 honorable kills in about an hour. I shudder to think how many an alliance character got who raided it...

On Bleeding Hollow the Alliance to Horde ratio is about 6/4 or maybe even 5/5. It's really close. Horde are dominating the server right now. :) Time to rack up some kills it looks like (as soon as I get all of my work done for college anyway). Not gonna let the horde waste the whole Alliance population!

-Lasereth

I joined a raid group attacking TM and somehow acquired 5 HKs. I never even saw the town and somehow still accumulated credit. Very weird.

Over on Destromath my (Alliance) guildie was raiding Tarren Mill and racked up about 80 HKs in an hour, just to give you an idea. I'm not sure what the ratio is on our server, however.

4hours played, 281 honor kills.

Hey guys at last i can join this thread: well i have a question because im a newb at wow at the time..hehe.. Well can you move a character to another server

Character transfers are possible on a few select realms on the US side. As far as I know it has not been enabled on the euro realms.

Check www.worldofwarcraft.com for more info.

--jaded

That honor system doesn't seem too fair to other players.

There's gonna be people like now who devote their entire lives to this game that will ALWAYS be #1 with the game's BEST gear, meaning people like me who play 2-3 hrs a day will NEVER get that chance.

Kinda throws off the balance of the game, don't you think?

The people who devote their entire lives to the game always have the best gear, this just gives them an alternate way to get it. It's no different than going on constant instance raids night after night (which many guilds do).

My problem with the honor system is it locks you into pvp if you want the high end crap. If you don't pvp constantly, you lose access to your gear. And since you were pvping and not running instances, you weren't gaining gear playing naturally so you kinda end up screwed.

The honor system is really screwed up. Just join a raid group and watch them kill, one doesnt even have to touch the enemy just be in a nice 30yrd proximity.

at lvl 49 i have 135 honor kills in 1hr of killing.

The honor system has also destroyed alot of leveling. Places like Hillsbard, Arathi, XR, STV

How does one report a bug? Maybe I'm not putting in the right amount of effort figuring this out... but something is really bothering me that they haven't fixed in the last 3 patches.

Bugs are reported using the forums. There used to be an in-game bug feature but they took out it out due to an overwhelming amount of bug reports to sift through. What bug are you referring to?

-Lasereth

I was at that raid last night...there had to be over 100 of both Alliance and Horde. It was insane lag-o-rama honor farm 3k. There was about a 10 second delay between casting and the spell going off. I managed to get about 104 points in an hour or so. They really need to fix the lag if mass PvP will be viable in current zones otherwise it's like turned based PvP. The battleground zones will probably be optimized for mass amounts of people...at least I hope. As for the ratio on Destromath I think it is close to even now with all the Mannaroth transfers...the Horde may even be a bit ahead.

There are still a good number of bugs that have existed since open/closed BETA and are still not fixed....

So be bothered, be very bothered.

Blizzard while was once great has some serious shit to shovel to get out of this hole of a game. Note I do enjoy playing this game, but it has many flaws. THrowing new content that often brings more bugs, doesnt fix anything.

I agree that WoW has many, many bugs and every patch introduces new ones. But is it really any different from any other MMO out there? I'm not a hardcore MMO gamer, I've only played a few others apart from WoW, but it seems to me every MMO introduces new bugs when patched.

I could be wrong, of course, but it seems like a normal development cycle to me. On the other hand, the honor system is a joke. I'm so fed up with raid PvP so I'm going back to instances. Screw the new items and ranks, they are not worth the hassle.

--jaded

After reading this board and a couple others about how crazy things are with the new honor system I've held off logging in until things cool down a while. I just don't have the time to devote to a game to keep up with all that. So it's back to HL2 for a while until things get back to normal!!
Just means its that much longer until I can ride my horse around...

OMG, When Shadowbane came out, there were times you couldn't log into the server for weeks at a time, and that was a game where you had to defend territory, hehe.

Don't raid PVP. It's not worth it and I find it boring. What IS <I>incredibly</I> fun is group PVP. Twice yesterday I got a small group of 3-4 people together and literally hid in the courtyard in the Undercity. I'd go out and /afk in the courtyard and then run to my group's hiding place with the horde on my trail. We'd decimate them, get honor kills, massive points (since it's not a raid) and have the most fun I've had in WoW since it launched. The Honor System is all about group PVP...not just kills. I really hope Battlegrounds promotes group versus group combat instead of the regular zergfest.

-Lasereth

Well said. While the mass raids are fun the lag makes it so unplayable. Rolling around in small groups is so much more fun. I had a few great fights last night in the barrens with a group of 5 alliance. It went on for about an hour or so and was much more enjoyable than the Tarren Mill lag-o-rama. I tell you this also, I am glad to be an engineer these days, lots of chances to use my bombs/dynamite and sheep!

Maybe it's just me, or I'm not at the point where it really affects me, but I think the errors are really few and far between.

The only exceptions are the times when the auth server is down, or when something happens on the realm that causes insane lag or random logouts, but... nothing that really affects gameplay itself.

Even still with all the fuss goin around, I haven't had any big issues whatsoever and have been playing just fine ever since the game was released (again, other than the times I can't login which is VERY seldom).

There's the occasional annoyance such as when you're a Rogue and you do a Cheap Shot and it doesn't give you your 2 combo points, or when you loot a body and you're stuck in the loot position, but.. those are farily trival - few and far between.

I've decided to hold off on the raids until the Honor System novelty dies down a bit. I tried to go on a raid yesterday and the lag was so bad, we had to call it quits. The screen would jump about once every 10-15 seconds which made it impossible to get a spell off, swing at anyone and just about everything else.

By the by, we just started a new Alliance guild on Perenolde called The Black Tower if anyone wants to join. A lot of us have taken names from The Wheel of Time series. I'm Perinn and we also have a Nynaeve and a Verinn. If anyone is starting out and wants to join, come to Perenolde and send me a tell.

Perrinn - lvl 32 Night Elf Rogue

You're gonna get your names and your guild named changed for violating a copyright. :) Hate to be a bastard but Blizzard is really adamant about being creative with character and guild names. And read my above post about small group PVP and the Honor System. Don't go to those raids! They're worthless. Find a small group and you'll have more fun and get more points with no lag.

-Lasereth

Heh. Well this makes me feel better about taking a break.

Eredar has a Darkpaladin, Darkpaladinx, Jrrtolkien, Kameltoh, Gandolf, Raistlin, Killerpally and a bunch of other crappy names I can't remember.

I wish they'd focus on these people instead :p

Nah, those names are fine.

I've had a char "Goatse" for a while and they don't seem to care. Next person in my guild who makes a char is gonna be "Tubgirl" and we're gonna do quests together.

If you name your guy "Jesus" or "GDubyaBush" or some other REAL life thing, they'll make you change it... but you can name your guy "Golbez" "Gandalf" .. or pretty much anything else that ya want (so as long as it isn't a swear word)

I don't know about changing famous names.. my brother has a priest named Chucknorriss...

Undead of course.. but with just the slight variation on the name.. I guess he's safe for now!

one of they guys in my guild had to change his name.. it was dawgnutz now it's something else but everyone still calls him dawg.

Notice "Jrrtolkien".Most of the other names may be fine in your opinion, but I think they're retarded.Paladins named Darkpaladin? Come on.

Certain games like Counter-Strike are where names don't matter, but imo if you're playing a Fantasy game with a permanent avatar, the names should be a bit more original.

Omg that would be to good :lol:

Pretty much the only way a name gets changed is if someone actually reports it to a mod. I saw someone the other day named "barrybonds" who was spamming "I LOVE STEROIDS!" in Org. I had seen him before, so I don't think that blizz did anything about his name.

Are there any high lvl enchanters out there who can answer me a few questions? First, is there a list of what can be enchanted and with what? I keeping asking in IF if someone can enchant my stave with +50 spirit and people laugh at me. Is there a website I can consult? Second, can a novice enchanter disenchant a purple/blue item? Thanks for any help, info, etc. you can provide. Much appreciated

Just a little heads up to everyone out there:

You see a group of 60s kiting around lvl 60 elite demons in a place that doesn't usually have demons, don't, for any reason, try to help. The new epic hunter quest apparently makes the hunter fight these demons alone, so they can receive help with buffs before the fight, but they can't receive any help during the fight. If you do anything to the demon at all, it vanishes instantly and there's a 2 hour respawn timer on it. I made this mistake tonight out of complete ignorance of the situation, since I usually jump in on stuff like that to help out, assuming the group has already tagged the mob and usually get a thanks afterwards. Needless to say, they were pretty fucking pissed at me since I wasted two hours of their lives. Also needless to say, I'll never be helping anyone not in my group ever again for any reason unless specifically requested.

Um...

My guild are the Happytime Harriers (taken from Aqua Teen Hunger Force) and I'm Laurelin, which is a direct reference to the Tolkien universe (Laurelin was one of the Two Trees--the other being Telperion). Haven't heard jack from Blizzard about my name, and I've seen PLENTY of other people around with Tolkien names. Heck--Blizzard cribs names from Tolkien, making minor changes if any. They even make famous people jokes in some of their own names--the cooking supplier in IF is named Emrul. Please.

sigh.. way i see it now.. lvling will be a pain now on pvp servers as we are already seeing on bone chewer horde side.. peps farming npc's

what ive never understood about blizzard ever. they put nothing in thier game that hinders you at all. worst thing is durability loss.

you get honor but no dishonor. well you do but it dont mean jack.

and for pvp im pissed about frost nova and polly. not that they didnt work good before now its pfft time. I tried to frost nova a warrior twice last night only to have him break my nova in under 2 sec after tossing it up. and he was 7 lvls under my lvl 60 frost mage. even my frost bite blows now.

although for pve its still nice, but the warping effect of critters is annoying with root type frost spells breaking..

and with all the honor "gear" high lvl instance drops are pretty much pointless

btw even though it takes a regent.. arcane brilliance pwns. I dont have to blow a ton o mana anymore. And now that spirit actually works a bit better i keep at least 65% of my mana in reserve even after a 2 min battle.

hahaha on lothar we tried for lord kazzak in blasted lands got wiped twice. when they say you got about 3 min to tank him believe it.

but lothar is fun but a bit boring. got a lvl 13 mage, 13 warlock and a lvl 6 shaman all horde baby on bonechewer now

As far as I can tell, any name you choose is safe to use UNLESS Blizzard is directly informed by someone you are using it (via the in-game report tool). My friend was using Chewbacca and it was fine until someone reported him. He changed it to Chewiee ;)

My mage is Marajade, also a Star Wars reference, but I have had no issues using it...yet.

And thanks for the group PvP tip Las, it was a lot more fun and rewarding!

--jaded

Haha, 3 minutes indeed. Have you tried Azuregos post patch? Damn near impossible in my opinion.

--jaded

If you ever get reported, they'll change your name and guildname. :) They don't go searching for it but they'll change a name if it refers to any type of media. It is sort of hypocritical, but it's the truth. I wish they'd be more adamant about it...I'm so tired of seeing Gimly and Gimlie and Legolazzz and Raistlinn, etc.

-Lasereth

I'm level 44 right now and I cannot find anywhere to grind quests. All I have are a bunch of random quests that hardly anybody has that I need to do with a party. It's stupid. Where do I head next?

Feralas, Southern Tanaris, Uldaman . . .

Halx - that's a tough level set, the mid 40s. I noticed when I got into the low 50s things really start to pick up. I nearly quit in the mid 40s because it got boring and the quests suck face.

Try some just straight grinding when you get a little higher. The ogres in Tanaris and the harpies in Feralas are effective grinding until you can get near 50 and some better quests open up.

I'd go to Feralas or the Hinterlands. Tanaris is a continuous gank-fest since the honor system went in. Every time I've landed there I've been ganked before my system could catch up to the fact that I was no longer on a griffon.

Thottbot has a list of all possible enchants. And FYI, I think the highest spirit enchant is +9 on 2-hand weapon.

And anyone can disenchant any item, it has no skill lvl requirements.

I'm partial to this map, it shows what levels the areas are in one big map :) and of course also shows the gryph points.

http://www.kaldorei.com/worldmap/

Very cool, thanks!

On the Alliance side, the zone system that leads you from place to place basically stops after 40. 0-12 it was Goldshire, 12-20 it's Loch Modan, Westfall, and Redridge, then 20-30 is Redridge/Duskwood, 30-35 is Gnomeregan and Arathi/Alterac/Hillsbrad, 35-40 is Scarlet Monastery. After 40 the game basically goes everywhere else.

I did SM runs until 41, then solo'ed the Drywhisker gnolls in northeast Arathi until 44, then did Uldaman until 46. Then I solo'ed Ogres in Feralas from 46-48 and did a few Tanaris quests (I hate that place). 48-50 was spent in a few instances here and there. 50-54 was a Un'Goro quests and random crap. I honestly can't remember what I've did from 50-58. :) Ha ha. I know I solo'ed in Azshara from 56-58. 50-56 was sort of a blur. Un'Goro and random fighting in the Searing Gorge maybe?

That's basically what I'm getting to. There's no hardcore places to go to after 40 like there is prior to it. That's when ya gotta get creative and find your own places. I personally LOVE Feralas and Azshara. Feralas has an awesome atmosphere and plenty of places to solo from 40-50. Same with Azshara from 48-58.

-Lasereth

Once you hit the 50s, Ungoro, Azshara, and the Plaguelands are stellar for quests and xp.

The Plaguelands especially.

well you could try azshara, stv.. if your on a pvp server its a bit hard but the tiger, panther and raport mastery series are good to do. Desolace is one to do if you havent yet. I mostly found toons my lvl at around 44 and grind like hell and went on pick up group into Scarlet Monestary. Aslo felwood is something to look into when ya get into the 50's

by far enchanting is the win for me. I can nuke any gree, blue and yes even purple items. I could do this at lvl 1 all the way to lvl 60. beauty of it now is.. I can drop a icy chill or +7 dmg enchant on any lvl weapon and my alts can use it. Enchanting an item dont mean jack for lvl req just the original items lvl. sharpening stones require the item weapon have a min lvl to use them. no enchants. I can put +100 health on a crap white item you get in the newb quest area heh ... if i wanted to. dosent change anything for lvl req's. I can maybe see this change in the future.

say my alt pally. I put +7 dmg 2h weapon enchant on every weapon he had since he was lvl 12 was wonderful to help lvl up. but later on you cant rely on those enchants to carry ya. heh

but gotta tell ya.. if your on a pvp server id stay outta hillsbrad if your horde with a high population of alliance unless you have to go there to train a prof. with the new honor system they are farming the hell outta the guards and "civilians" there heh

if your horde go to chared vale and goof around there with quests. also tanaris is ok if you can handle it. wastwater or whatever bandits are good to grind on.. the water pouches they drop you can turn in for around 500 exp a stack get a crate with food water and a health or mana pot in it.

in just working on a warlock and shamman on bonechewer finally.. we was on warsong but that server is just a gankfest heh and high population.

i just lvl my two toons there.. then go back on lothar and use up any rested exp on my alts. trying to get to 35 on my alliance toons so i can make purify mooncloth. 4 day cool down on mooncloth is a pain. i could spend 2 outta that 4 days farming and get at least 3 travler's backpacks for every 1 mooncloth bag i can make heh.

I'm 42.5 now and didn't realize until about 42 that the 40's are a really interesting turning point in WoW. I kept on hopping from island to island and I had to see that other people were experiencing the same thing to understand that it's now up to me to decide where I do. I think I'm gonna finish up any greens/yellows on the Eastern Island then work Feralas and Tenaris until well into the 40's. I just like it over there more, especially since it's closer to the AH ;)

I hate Un'Goro with a passion, WORST ZONE EVER. Thank God I'm 60 so I don't have to worry about that, but sigh I'm lvling up a rogue alt on Horde side on Kil'Jaeden. I stayed in Tanaris in my upper 40's, then did Zul'Farrak groups all day long from 50-55 ish, then moved to the Plaguelands.

I helped a guildie do the epic warlock mount quest yesterday. It was really cool but a pain in the ass. Amidst the chaos in dire maul I forgot to take screenshots :(

--jaded

Really? I love that zone. It has the easiest quests and they are all worth about 5-6k. And if you are a fire mage those tar elementals are great to grind since you're crit rate is crazy against them. I think I grinded those from 50-56 and did the un'goro quests at the same time. After that I just hit up felwood and winterspring and I was 60. The only thing I did in plaguelands was the cauldron runs and the starting quests for shroud of the exile.

--jaded

Ungoro quests are really what brought me back to the whole questing jazz. In the 40s I was simply grinding and instancing and getting awfully bored with it. I found Ungoro to be excellent.

Now, this is post-honor system, so I'm sure it's a friggin circus now, I haven't been back.

Jaded - What do you have to do in DM for the Warlock Quest? I've found DM to be just plain awesome. Nothing like grabbing that suit and making a mad dash to the King in under an hour.

As a hunter the Barbarous Blade, Ogre-forged Hauberk, and Leggings of Destruction are just money money.

Does anyone know how I go about getting the Blackwood Helm?

Un'Goro really isn't so bad for ganking even post honor system. What I have found is that many horde seem to group there, whereas many alliance seem to solo. That means that there's a lot of "ganking" because one alliance running into a group of horde isn't going to fare very well. The real problem is that to get to Un'Goro you have to go through Tanaris, which is miserable.

The Backwood Helm (you said bLackwood...hopefully it's the same thing) is a quest reward (and an awesome one to boot!) :

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=35700

ok outta a mage warlock and shaman im liking these three over all the other classes on both horde and alliance. I lvled my mage human alliance on lothar but starting a new mage, warlock, and shaman on bonechewer.. shaman is troll the other two are ud. I miss my mages stuff i.e. ports mounts high lvl tailoring for bags and enchants.

hehe with enchants .. no lvl req. nothing like putting +100 health on a somewhat long term usuable item and +7 dmg or icy chill on a good weapon .. what i see uber lvls are for.. tanking another alts you might want to make.

although im missing swg's one feature i liked.. respec for anything. once you make a mage your stuck with them no matter what ya do short of deleteing them. although you can respec all you want your still a mage.

Yeah DM is great fun. A well designed instance. I assuming that the DM is the last step in the warlock quest chain. I'm not sure about the rest. But in DM you have to finish the undead side (clear the pylons and defeat the big ass dog. We killed the prince after this as well but I'm not sure that it's necessary).

Back in the room where the dog is, the warlock will start a summoning process, leaving him/her helpless to help out in the fight. So basically it's the other 4 in the party doing the work. Our group consisted of me (mage) warrior, priest and druid (and the useless lock :) ).

At first you'll get swarmed by non-elite level 60 imps and a few elite demons. Our strat was for me to AoE the imps and the warrior and druid tank the elite demons. So we started...and after 2 major mana pots and evocation they STILL kept coming. So we wiped. At that point we were thinking damn, there has to be a trick to it, because it was seriously impossible. Our priest was soulstoned but the imps and demons were still around. So as we were contemplating just ressing and running back this weird magnetic field appeared. The mobs were still around but our priest used the souldstone anyway.

As she ressed the mobs disappeared. And the warlock had not gotten quest failed. So the priest ressed us all and the warlock continued the summoning procedure. This time a level 62 elite demon and his lvl 61 elite mount appeared. We killed them both and warlock got quest complete.

It was an AWESOME fight. :D

The demon dropped "Demonic Shoulders" I think they were called. Nothing too fancy, +16 sta and +8 mana regen every 5 secs or so.

--jaded

Ragnaros is down! My guild snagged the third kill world-wide, and the first PvP server kill. www.twelveprophets.com for teh screenshots. :) Fun encounter, pretty gimp loot-table. Hopefully Blizzard will fix that before everyone and their dog can drop Rag.

Yeah I saw that Ser, grats :D

Then I saw the application for joining 12P, and if you don't play 40 hours a week 12P may not be the guild for you. No wonder you took him down!

--jaded

40 hours a week is a small sacrifice for pixels of digital loot! ;)

So what's the strategy? There must have been something released seeing that everyones finally able to take him down!

Edit: Ah I just found a post of yours at your forum: "We do not publicly reveal our PvE strats to other guilds, Horde or Alliance."

No worries if you can't talk about it ;)

I imagine the main key is 100% pure organization. Organization in WoW basically ruins the enemies' chances of winning. My suitemates get into a 5 person party with a friend frequently. We can take down a group of 5-10 horde without a single death in most cases. Why? We follow orders, we have a good healer that doesn't use his mana to attack, and we actually have a battle layout. Mage in the rear unless it's AoE time, warriors up front with the paladin. We slaughter any horde that comes near us unless it's more than 10 or another organized group.

That's also why I'm Sergeant Razerwind with 7000 contribution points with only 190 kills. I don't go to zerg PVP fests...those are worthless. Group PVP is where it's at.

Battlegrounds is gonna be won/loss the same way. Whichever side is organized with players following orders will win.

-Lasereth

bah, im a sergeant and I'm a lowly lvl 54 druid, who likes to attack 60s I can beat

Has anyone had connection problems every minite today or is it just my shitty cable provider?

Well i got Rank 4 , Standing = 19 on my server. Stormreaver. Was kinda cool when i logged in to find my standing 19. I didnt expect that.

How did everyone else do?

Rank 3 Sergeant, standing 160. The only useful thing to buy was the dispel fear trinket. On our low pop server we are making tiny MC progress. This saturday the plan is to take down Magmadar and hopefully Gehennas. I know, we're no 12P, but considering that every MC raid is a pickup group with people who have never been there before, it's not so shabby :D

But damn, MC is fun!

--jaded

Just found out that my inter connection is F.U.B.A.R. so I hope it fixes it self by tomorrow or the cable company is going to be getting a nasty phone call!



P.S. Im surprissed it didn't crap out again!

Rank 2 Grunt 749 standing. Got a nifty trinket that dispells stun,snares and roots. It's great for small battles but for the larger battles it allows me to get about 5 feet further and then die. :thumbsup:

I like to roll around in small groups now, the large raids are fun for a bit but the lag just gets unbeable now. I did get a sweet kill tonight though, first time I've beaten a priest and one that was 4 levels higer to boot!

I was running through The Barrens and saw the call go out about a few Alliance scumbags in the area so I summoned good old Lunchbox, my trusty pet and went in search of honor. I found the group south of Crossroads so I snuck around the side and targeted the Priest and got her with a crit aimed shot for 1500 or so, sent pet in, concussive shot, viper sting, multi shot, arcane shot as I ran to wing clip her. I nailed her with that and got feared! That is when I thought it was all over but for some reason fear only lasted a few seconds and got me back into bow range, I nailed her with another barrage of viper/concussive/multi/arcane, clicked rapid fire and got in a few lucky crits and the Human scum ate dirt! Master Sergant down!! That lucky first crit was all I needed.

The whole PvP thing was a huge draw to me in this game. I'm not a griefer or anything like that, I just like the added challenge of maybe getting my ass handed to me just when I thought I was safe or having night long skirmishes against the other faction. The honor system has its faults but is a good step to making a great game an even better game. Yeah sure you have really be no your toes now when grinding but once battlegrounds goes in that may subside. :rolleyes:

I got Corporal, and Im a pally... weird. People said we wouldnt get ranked either heh.

Oh well I got my trinket, I must say its so worth it too.

I'm guessing all u guys are lvl 50+?

im a lvl 35 and when I try and raid(with lvl 50's+) the other orcs and stuff always go after me first....maybe because im the healer.

so silithus.. whats the deal with the big door and the gong. wonder what you have to kill to get it to open. btw can we say starship troopers?

Question for you warriors out there. Im curently leveling up mine and I hit 24. What is a good solo grind build? 31 arms/20 Fury? Is a pure fury build at all viable? I was thinkiing dual wielding but so far it seems I'm better off with a slow 2-hander.

Help! :D

--jaded

I don't really know what build is the best, but I like having a slow 2 hander better than dual wield. At first the dual wield was cool, but after a while, it just seemed like it wasn't really helping all that much.

My 59 warrior is a completely fury build with a touch of arms. Most warriors say that the ONLY way a warrior can be decent is with the 31/20 build...but I disagree. My warrior is 12/36/0 and frankly he rocks the house. The major deal that most warriors forget is that Whirlwind, an ability you get with Berserker Stance (I think you get WW at 36), does the same thing as Mortal Strike (which is the 31 points in Arms that most warriors do). WW and MS are both instant extra attacks. They both favor slow 2-handed weapons. Right now, there's no reason to dual wield or use a fast 2-hander. Anyway, back to Fury versus Arms: Fury is best for grinding and group PVP while MS is better for duels and 1 v 1 PVP. I can get MS warriors down to 15-20% HP in duels without MS. Sometimes I beat them. It does make killing Paladins a lot easier (MS). But for grinding, bloodthirst is unbelievable. Right now, at 59, I can one-shot level 53 enemies. Yes, 1 hit = dead with bloodthirst.

Bloodthirst make work well in grinding, but can you imagine it in group PVP? I sure as hell can. Here's the combat log of my adventures last night in Azshara:

I start fighting Furbolg. I get him to 20% HP, then a 60 rogue cheap shots me and starts going crazy. I use my trinket to get rid of his stun and WW/Execute the Furbolg. I just gained Bloodthirst. I right click on the rogue. "You crit Tanda for 1942. Your Overpower crits Tanda for 1292. Your Execute hits Tanda for 1173." Dead. Three hits. The first crit from Bloodthirst was nearly 2000 damage. He sat there for a while after he died wondering what happened.

Lo and behold, right as I click my food, another 60 rogue cheap shots me. I get up and wait for the stunlock to be over with. At this point, I had about 3000 HP left (out of 4200). The stuns wear off, I Overpower the rogue for around 1500 (Bloodthirsted), I disarm him. He crits me so I gain enrage (+40% damage). I'm hitting him for 500 base damage now with my Arcanite Reaper. I crit for around 900 and gain Flurry (+30% weapon haste, only available in 31 Fury). My Arcanite Reaper now has a speed of 2.5 instead of 3.8. I WW, hit him once more, and Execute.

I click food, and what do you know, a 60 warrior comes up with the old Twig of the World Tree. I have around 1500 HP now. He crits me for 600. I fear him, run away, and bandage. Back up to 2700 HP. I have enrage from the crit and Flurry from the rogue...and Bloodthirst from the rogue. I hit the warrior for nearly 1000 (a plate wearer!!). WW, hit some more, disarm, demo shout, WW...Execute. Dead! I have around 1000 HP left. All three 60's are dead simultaneously due to Bloodthirst, Enrage, and Flurry. What good would Mortal Strike have been here...none of them could heal, so the healing negation wouldn't have helped at all. Whirlwind does close to the same amount of damage and for LESS rage.

I won in that situation because of my talents, plain and simple.

Fighting enemies is the same way...I gain Bloodthirst, hit the next one for 1000-2300 (yes, I've crit'ed for 2300 before non-execute), gain Flurry, rush to the next one. I can kill fifty level 53's before stopping at 58/59. Why? Because the Fury tree is built for going non-stop against multiple enemies. MS is built for going against 1 enemy.

You can go MS if ya want, but it's just another cookie cutter build for warriors who forget that WW does the exact same thing (sans around 200 damage in the most extreme of cases). Not to mention the Fury tree is getting buffed according to the Warrior GM's on the forums.

Dual wield...hmm. It's decent against regular leveled enemies. It's AWESOME against low-level enemies. But it's nothing compared to a slow 2H against enemies of your own level. If I dual wield against a level 53, ONE gets me down to 1500-2000 HP. Like I said before, I can kill FIFTY level 53's in a row with a slow 2H before stopping. I can kill maybe 4 or 5 max with dual wielding. Dual wielding is inconsistent because of the HORRID miss rate. If the miss rate weren't so bad it'd be worth it.

-Lasereth

My warrior is 44 right now, and at 43 I switched from the cookie cutter 31/20 to try out a fury build. Man, that's the best 5g (respec cost) I've ever spent. I enjoy the hell out of the fury build. I'm slightly different from Laserth, in that I'm using dual wield...well, because I don't have a great 2hander available (went poor after respecing, then abilities). I've seen my one hander(Furious Falchion of the Tiger) out damaging my last 2h weapon (Khoo's Point) which I was using with the arms build. With Enrage, I've had HS crits for almost 700. That's nearly 100 damage above a crit from Khoo's Point.

I love the fury build, and I'm not going back. The only thing I'd change, is getting a slow 2hander over dual wield, or even a fast, high DPS 2 hander. The 25% BASE miss chance for dual wield is counter productive. Flurry increases the speed of the next 3 swings. So even if it misses, it still uses up the Flurry. Not to mention if your off hand is much faster than your main hand, then 2 or 3 of those fast swings goes to the much weaker weapon. And bloodthirst....you'd better hope the first hit is from your main hand, cause it goes wasted when used up by your off.

When luck is on your side though, dual wield loves you. I've taken down an even level mob taking less than 100 damage. I kid you not. Bloodthirst on the first hit, crits kept flurry up the entire time, and almost every swing was a hit. The poor wolf didn't know what hit him.

I'm going to do more testing with a 2 hander (fast and slow), and maybe try dual wield out more, if I can find some nice 1 handers with +% crit and +% to hit. There's a lot of potential in Fury, and like Lasereth said, it's going to receive a buff pretty soon here.

P.S. Thanks Lasereth! You posted earlier in this thread about how you were enjoying a fury build. When I had finally picked up enough cash for a respec after buying my mount, I remembered it and had to try it out. :)

at 59 I have Twig of the World Tree and the cookie cutter 31 / 20 arms build.. after reading Las's response I am thinking of going Fury .. I've been 31 / 20 for the whole life of my warrior.

Also a guild mate of mine used, http://wowmapview.sourceforge.net/ to find maps of un finished area's and he came up with some kick ass stuff..

http://img66.echo.cx/img66/7342/bg19kr.jpg

http://img66.echo.cx/img66/9022/bg63hf.jpg

http://img214.echo.cx/img214/5111/bg83vb.jpg

http://img214.echo.cx/img214/6708/bg29yx.jpg

few BG screen shots..word is they are really small!

I don't condone it and I know it's bannable in Blizzard's eye, but the above images reminded me of it. I did the whole walk up to the unfinished Caverns of Time instance in Tenaris, died out front, and ressed inside past the blocked entrance. I don't suggest checking it out because the area isn't mindblowing........... ;)

Yeah, in case anyone was considering doing this, check out this post first. Official Blizzard Policy on Unopened Areas. They are looking for it and don't seem like they're interested in tolerating it. (though I must admit, reading the post realy fueled my wanderlust, heh)

You don't actually view these places live tho, it just explores the files you have already downloaded onto your pc.. least that is what it seems like by reading the site :D