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Which 9/11 Iraq reference are you referring... in host's post, news articles, the 20/20 interview?
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09-13-2008, 11:13 AM | #163 (permalink) |
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I would never insult horses like that...some of them are actually curious about the grass on the other side of the fence... oh, and ebert..laying down the law: [quote] BY ROGER EBERT Sun-Times Movie Critic I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think, Hey, that could be me up there on that show! My problem is, I don't want to be up there. I don't want a vice president who is darned near good enough. I want a vice president who is better, wiser, well-traveled, has met world leaders, who three months ago had an opinion on Iraq. Someone who doesn't repeat bald- faced lies about earmarks and the Bridge to Nowhere. Someone who doesn't appoint Alaskan politicians to "study" global warming, because, hello! It has been studied. The returns are convincing enough that John McCain and Barack Obama are darned near in agreement. » Click to enlarge image Sun-Times movie critic Roger Ebert and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. (File/AP) I would also want someone who didn't make a teeny little sneer when referring to "people who go to the Ivy League." When I was a teen I dreamed of going to Harvard, but my dad, an electrician, told me, "Boy, we don't have the money. Thank your lucky stars you were born in Urbana and can go to the University of Illinois right here in town." So I did, very happily. Although Palin gets laughs when she mentions the "elite" Ivy League, she sure did attend the heck out of college. Five different schools in six years. What was that about? And how can a politician her age have never have gone to Europe? My dad had died, my mom was working as a book-keeper and I had a job at the local newspaper when, at 19, I scraped together $240 for a charter flight to Europe. I had Arthur Frommer's $5 a Day under my arm, started in London, even rented a Vespa and drove in the traffic of Rome. A few years later, I was able to send my mom, along with the $15 a Day book. You don't need to be a pointy-headed elitist to travel abroad. You need curiosity and a hunger to see the world. What kind of a person (who has the money) arrives at the age of 44 and has only been out of the country once, on an official tour to Iraq? Sarah Palin's travel record is that of a provincial, not someone who is equipped to deal with global issues. But some people like that. She's never traveled to Europe, Asia, Africa, South America or Down Under? That makes her like them. She didn't go to Harvard? Good for her! There a lot of hockey moms who haven't seen London, but most of them would probably love to, if they had the dough. And they'd be proud if one of their kids won a scholarship to Harvard. I trust the American people will see through Palin, and save the Republic in November. The most damning indictment against her is that she considered herself a good choice to be a heartbeat away. That shows bad judgment. [/quote} Roger Ebert on Sarah Palin: The American Idol candidate :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Other Views I especially love the last paragraph. Generally, i'm not an ebert fan, but i must say, he vocalizes almost exactly how i feel about Palin. I want someone who doesn't sneer at someone going to harvard on scholarship and grants, etc, or someone who doesn't joke about being a community organizer or someone who is actually curious about the world. What politician didn't leave the country till their 40's. it's amazing to me. just amazing...
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She is attempting to prevent the legislature from performing its oversight responsibility in a timely manner by seeking to block subpoenas necessary to complete a legitimate legislative investigation of a potential abuse of power by the executive.
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09-13-2008, 06:01 PM | #165 (permalink) | |
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09-15-2008, 09:09 PM | #166 (permalink) |
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Sad thing is the McCain that ran in 2000 and even supported Bush in '04 doesn't sound anything like the McCain of today. I seriously considering voting for him until he started shifting and pandering to the GOP base. I find it seriously not funny he still claims to be some maverick.
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keep in mind that even fox has its professional integrity and institutional position to protect---i briefly look at the nitwots on cnn last night during their "political" coverage and the talking heads seem to have adopted a similar position--arbiter, making up their minds based on "facts" so you don't have to. it's kinda repellent viewing. i went back to "i love money" which at least is honest.
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09-16-2008, 09:08 AM | #171 (permalink) | |
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09-16-2008, 09:32 AM | #172 (permalink) |
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well, at the beginning of this race, i thought "gee, i would be ok with both of these, so i'm really..for the first time in years, not that concerned with who wins. Mccain is not really republican enough and seems to be logical in his thought processes, i loved when he called out the republicans for pandering to the far right religious groups, and he has generally been a bit of a freer thinker....
then i saw the mccain that came out after he won the nomination..one who will say and do anything to get elected. It's insanely disgusting to have karl rove call him (and the dems) out on excessive lies...that's just absurd. It's also absurd that he would run that type of campaign when he was snowblowed in the 2000 primaries... ab..so..lutely...disgusting.
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09-16-2008, 10:15 AM | #173 (permalink) |
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I liked Obama a whole lot more before the mud started to fly too, hasn't stopped me from donating to him or supporting him.
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09-16-2008, 12:24 PM | #174 (permalink) |
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Anyone going to the Obama fundraiser and Barbara Streisand performance in Beverly Hills? Anyone? Please don't all raise your hands at once. Anyone?
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A person's religion is a private matter, in my opinion. I also think what a person does at a bar at 3 a.m. is a private matter as long as they are not breaking the law. Video cameras should not be at either location. I am consistent that way, but that is just me. I find it ironic how Democrats make an argument against Republicans and then we find they are guilty of the same thing.
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09-16-2008, 01:40 PM | #177 (permalink) | |
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But seriously, isn't this the way political parties do business anyways? The Republicans have failed hard at reaching out to us independent swing voters. At least the Dems have made some lip service. We will see. -----Added 16/9/2008 at 06 : 30 : 06----- Quote:
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With both sides flinging feces at each other, they better be careful because it's us moderate, independent, swing voters who are in the middle getting covered in shit. -----Added 16/9/2008 at 06 : 34 : 29----- Quote:
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Well McCain just did a 25 or 28K private fund raising dinner. So yes, I think this is the way it's done by both parties.
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The donor demographics paint an interesting picture: 50% of Obama's contributions are from donors of $200 or less; for McCain, the figure is 32%So who is the candidate of choice of the "common" people and who is candidate of choice of the "fat cats"?.
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Here are some other interesting facts about Fannie and Freddie: Aquiles Suarez, listed as an economic adviser to the McCain campaign in a July 2007 McCain press release, was formerly the director of government and industry relations for Fannie Mae. The Senate Lobbying Database says Suarez oversaw the lending giant's $47,510,000 lobbying campaign from 2003 to 2006.So...what's your point ace? I think we need serious comprehensive lobbying reform. The reform that the Congress enacted last year...the first time in years...was only a small step.....and McCain (along with 13 fellow Republicans) voted against it.
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09-16-2008, 05:47 PM | #183 (permalink) |
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i think we also need to redo election campaign reform (which i think mccain had a hand in the last time it was done like 10 years ago). i think we need to make this whole 527 group thing illegal. or if it's allowed, that all ads, from the official campaign or those supporting a candidate, approved by the campaign so that all candidates have to stand by what is said, and can't let others do their dirty work of spreading lies. but that might be a reform topic for another thread.
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I think people need to understand: "Politicians...are not 'superpeople' and we all have ties that we probably dont' want or need". so i went to a church that was crazy...who cares. I have a friend of a friend of a friend who did ____. I was 8 and a community leader later turned out to be john wayne gayce, ..seriously, who cares. I didn't do those things. Heck, half of my first grade class is in jail, the other half are lawyers, who do you think the media would link me to.... Personally, i go with teh issues and how i think the person will represent themselves and my beliefs and I agreed with mccain in 2000....but after seeing what he's done and how he's proven he'll swing with the wind...f that..then the palin nomination..definitle F that, so obama has my vote and then some.. Oh, and this just in..After agreeing to cooperate with the investigation into troopergate (why is everything a gate, be original)...her loyal Attorney general....stated that state employees will not honor subpoenas.... wtf http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/...fwrT2seLrCw5R4 and harry, i WHOLEHEARTEDLY aagree with the 527 group. They can say and do anything, can be linked to either party wholeheartedly and they are absolutely unaccountable. absolute bullhockey.
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09-17-2008, 04:26 AM | #185 (permalink) |
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The problem is that you can't make 527s illegal, and in general, you can only do so much in terms of campaign finance reform. The Supreme Court has ruled that donations are a form of speech, and so protected by the First Amendment.
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Just wanted to know how you might approach data that may not support your position. I have been accused of "cherry picking" information, are you "cherry picking"? Feel free to consider the question rhetorical. I am not really interested in who contributes to who. I don't think most politicians would sell their votes for political campaign contributions.
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On the other hand, it was an effective way to avoid acknowledging that half of Obama's contributions have come from small contributors (under $200).....a record high percentage for any election in our lifetime. I dont know what you think might be "cherry-picked" about that.
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Jumping in here: Ace, I was wondering why you didn't reply to my last post here... only because it was in response to something you said. If you didn't feel like replying, then that's fine. Just curious.
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He did not endorse Obama during the primaries, why? He said Obama was not qualified, why? He was running against Obama, but now he thinks Obama is the answer, why? I see a pattern with Biden and the "fake" thing.
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And for the record I don't think Bush Jr. is dumb he scored a 1206 on his SAT's. I don't know what his IQ is but given his SAT score I'd say it's not the 91 that been rumored on the Net. So I don't think he's "dumb." But I also don't think he's honest.
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I didn't know about this anti-intellectual movement. 'Scuse me while I get out from under my rock. Is the average American a total idiot these days, or do we really believe that Joe Blow and hockey moms are great politicians because they're our neighbors and equals?
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Yup, indeedy. Thing is, that article came out in December 2000, right as Bush was about to step into office. Seems America hasn't learned much in the last 8 years, eh?
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09-17-2008, 12:23 PM | #199 (permalink) |
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Part of the problem is that the elite intellectuals have fueled the "anti-intellectual movement" themselves. I think there is an extreme gap in mutual understanding that keeps the divide wide open. The anti-everyman vitriol on this board is indicative of that sentiment along with "anti-intellectual" comments. The cheap name-calling on both sides (of which I am guilty of too on occasion *shame*) is what keeps politics form the real issues. Take that away and maybe we can get somewhere. Really, take away all the cheap shots, insults and name-calling and most of our threads will disappear. In its stead I would hope the remaining threads would be about the economy, labor, health care, education, foreign policy etc.
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In Palin's latest interview (a softball interview with Sean Hannity), she was asked about political donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: HANNITY: Should there be an investigation in terms of the relationship between the political donations and then of course the bankruptcy that ensued and the impact on the economy?Now that made my laugh, but McCain may not have found it to be so funny. One can only wonder if she is aware of the fact that at least 20 McCain-Palin campaign staff and/or fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (and others for AIG) in recent years. Or that the finance sector is the biggest bundler of contributions to McCain ($30 million) as opposed to Obama ($13.5 million).
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