09-03-2008, 11:22 AM | #81 (permalink) | |
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Thanks for the link, _dux, I hadn't seen it in person.
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What do you expect from a campaign that assigns seating on their plane based who writes the stories they prefer? So happens now- baggage hold for the CNN reporter?
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09-03-2008, 12:31 PM | #83 (permalink) |
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Blowing off CNN seems like a bad idea to me. To me CNN is the staple of fair news. They are not biased like MSNBC or Fox. And do not have the stigma of being biased like CBS news. The question they asked was a completely fair question and they got bad because they got caught lying with their pants down.
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The irony of all of this is that I would have voted for Clinton before I would have voted for McCain. McCain, picking Palin is the best thing he could have done at this point to get my vote and support. -----Added 3/9/2008 at 04 : 37 : 44----- I am a libertarian in many ways. When I left the Libertarian Party (I left the Republican Party during the Clinton impeachment, which I thought was a waste of time and resources) it was because of the Iraq war and the Libertarian Party position on national defense. I was still a registered Libertarian when I voted for Bush in 2000. -----Added 3/9/2008 at 04 : 40 : 25----- Quote:
-----Added 3/9/2008 at 04 : 45 : 34----- I suspect that she won't be fearful of doing an interview with a guy like Bill O'Rielly the way Obama is. Kind of ironic that Obama will be willing to talk to leaders of all countries or specific groups that may be involved in terrorist activity but he won't talk to certain talk show hosts. Again, Hilary Clinton was "man" enough to go on The Factor. -----Added 3/9/2008 at 04 : 48 : 12----- If it were me, ladies first.
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There's also a radio and video clip of her clearly stating she supported the bridge. Quote:
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09-03-2008, 02:00 PM | #88 (permalink) | |
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09-03-2008, 02:22 PM | #90 (permalink) | |
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What about the following quote? It seems to pretty clearly indicate that she was for the bridge, and only "changed her mind" due to the bad publicity.
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09-03-2008, 03:09 PM | #91 (permalink) |
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I dunno. It goes without saying that the Xian right and the knuckle draggers will eat it up like flies on shit. However, Palin's AIP membership and yahoo-ism doesn't play well in places like Grand Rapids, where conservatives are conservative. It's OK with the East coast old-money crowd -- what do they care as long as they have a free hand & low taxes -- but the less cynical conservatives won't like it. These are the old-church protestants & Catholics + the Main street petit-bourgeois & small town bourgeoisie. Even McCain might be a little too wild for these folks. There's a class anxiety among this strata that makes it difficult for them to identify with Palin, so i don't think the identity politics necessarily works out positively for them.
Looking at how this plays out in terms of states and electoral votes, i could see Palin being a drag on the ticket in Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa & Minnesota, but boosting it in Indiana and Missouri. In other words, a net loss, at least in the upper Mississippi valley. And this just in: US election: Conservative pundits caught criticising Palin The criticisms seem fair. |
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Two Republican talking heads - former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan and former McCain adviser Mike Murphy caught on tape when the camera cut away....not sounding very happy about McCain's selection of Palin. I wonder how the McCain team will brush this off.....
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09-05-2008, 07:59 PM | #94 (permalink) | |
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The McCain camp has made it clear she wont be doing interviews anytime soon:
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So you've stated you're against pork? Why were you the first Wasilla Mayor to hire a lobbyist to get ear mark spending for your town? When did you go from being in favor of the bridge to no where to being against it? Why did you say you sent the money for the bridge back when you actually used it on other Alaskan projects? John McCain said you sold the states jet on E-Bay for a profit. Have you had the chance to tell him that's not true, you actually tried to sell it on E-Bay and it didn't sell, so you sold it through a broker... at a loss. Do you favor the AIP and their bid to separate from the US? If not why did you make a video for their most recent convention? Are you or your husband members of the AIP? -----Added 6/9/2008 at 07 : 57 : 29----- Quote:
I watched as Obama's kids talked to him via Satellite and thought "bet they got coaching to be really happy to see daddy. Make sure you ask him where he is etc..." Then during the GOP conv. I saw the Palin's daughter caring for her younger sister and thought the same. "Hold her in your lap, bounce her on your knee, fix her collar, hair etc..." I don't think any of this stuff just happens any more, anywhere and everywhere is a stage and it's all staged, IMO.
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09-08-2008, 08:24 AM | #98 (permalink) |
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09-08-2008, 08:44 AM | #100 (permalink) |
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Is it really? It's a blog, while the swiftboaters made their claims about John Kerry on the much more reliable NPR.
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09-08-2008, 09:17 AM | #102 (permalink) |
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No, we're experiencing real time vetting of Sarah Palin. And so it goes.
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09-08-2008, 09:31 AM | #103 (permalink) |
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It makes it really hard to do any actual fact finding when the rumors start to fly. If anything these rumors are greatly helping Palin. Whether it's the 'it wasn't her kid" to "she's a racists, everyone in Alaska knows it." Every time one of these turns out to be false she gains a few more public opinion points. She can simply claim "see, I told you they're out to smear me." At this point I'd be surprise if at least some of these aren't being released, anonymously of course, by the RNC staff.
*cough* Rove *cough, cough* They put out these easily disprovable rumors and sooner or later everything gets dismissed. It's like reversed "cry wolf." And it's been shown to work... very well.
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09-08-2008, 09:53 AM | #104 (permalink) |
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I find it very interesting that the people who were SCREEEEEECHING about Obama's church and pastor aren't just as inflamed about Palin's. The things her church preaches are way scarier than anything Rev. Wright said. But they don't threaten the White Man's dominance, so they're probably okay, I guess.
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09-09-2008, 03:49 AM | #106 (permalink) |
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My former comment I should say, is that if that blog is some of the yellowist journalism people have seen, then people don't remember the blue dress saga, and have not studied the yellow kid wars of Pulitzer v. Hearst.
The guy has a blog, and 40 years experience as a journalist. In retirement, he has an agenda, and pursues interviews that fit his views. How is this worse than the piles of ABC News reports citing unnamed sources about the blue dress?
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for what it's worth, i tend to relativize this dimension of the planet blog---i think there are alot of people who are and have been offended and angered by what has come of the blur of tabloid and information, gossip and facts about the world (whatever a fact really is), the substitution of personality construction for comprehensive analysis, the evacuation of the space for system critique and its replacement with a fatuous cycling of surface infotainment in the context of which the system-level remains always necessarily legitimate no matter what happens and all possibility of critique gets collapsed onto defects of an individual personality--a ghost-personality no less, product of the circulation of factoids itself. it has beena smothering descent into trivia, as if the Interests of Commerce-uber-alles has forced us from being able to stand in front of the clothes dryer to being stuffed face-first into the lint screen.
because consumers have NO power, because consumers are nice little creatures who desire what they are told they desire within the ranges that they are told they want, so they can "express themselves" by acquiring a "personalized" sequence of otherwise identical commodities, consumers of infotainment have been subjected to this, and have subjected themselves to it. at the level of framing memes, consumers are told that markets are necessarily rational and with that the descent into a blizzard of trivial is presented as the march forward of "progress"---a favorite bourgeois conceit. i think people are pissed off by this, fed up by it, but being nice adaptable creatures who view the world from a chair in their living room (70% of americans imagine television as a primary "information source") they have no choice but to adapt to it, in this the freeest of all possible situations (except where it isn't) in this the best of all possible worlds (which is a shabby, ugly, idiotic sham)...so they act out. the planet blog seems to me in significant measure a theater for acting-out. and everyone knows that the primary drivers behind this descent into trivia have been politically conservative--the symbol of rupert murdoch functions as a convenience here---and everyone knows that it has been the conservative media apparatus that has pioneered the routinization of yellow journalism passed off as information in the television context. and everyone knows that there is a convergence between that and the world as presented in advertisements, as a world of commodity-desires. and if you think about it, i imagine it self-evident that this shitty state of affairs is a very good expression of capitalism in all its slick superficiality and brutal self-referentiality. so you either repeat the mechanisms and turn them back on the conservatives when the opportunity presents itself--in which case there is gratification but a net less in that you de facto participate in legitimating the order itself when you play the game as the order has come to play it across the one-dimensional flashing theater of television---or you criticize the order itself, in which case you are excluded from access to the one-dimensional theater of the bourgeois world and it's logic. but all this is normal, comrades, like the weather, like neoliberalism. every once in a while, i remember that lars von trier was right in "dogville" about the american system.
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09-09-2008, 12:04 PM | #108 (permalink) | |
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Why are the Democrats reminding everyone of the flawed logic used by people like Kerry? I would think they would want to move from that as far as possible. The bridge issue is not like a person being for a war and against it at the same time.
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Sounds like, least from what I read, she ended up charging a hell of a lot less then the guy she replaced. Plus it sounds like she was following the rules and could have charged much more. She spent something like 93K on travel, the previous governor spent several 100K on travel. Of course I'd be more then happy to be proved wrong, but honestly I smell yet another red herring.
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Would it have made more sense for her to spent the money staying 1 block away from her home and charging 4x the amount? tully what I've read is that the incumbent before her was $400k+ versus her $97k
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I don't like her for many, many reasons, this isn't one of them. You watch the RNC will get the DNC to take the bait on this and many other issues. The GOP is playing this very smart lately.
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Second she the Governor of a state. Many top level state officials get housing, personal staff etc..that other government and private employees do not. Third she the governor of a state that is unlike any other state. The distances needed to travel are increased simply due to the states geographical size. Just getting from one end of the state to the other or even from her home to the state capitol can be time consuming and at times (winter) dangerous. The fact she's cut her travel expense to less then 1/4 that of the last guy that had her job should tell you something, IMHO.
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According to the GSA per diem list for Los Angeles. I can spend $118 on housing, $64 meals and incidental expenses totaling $182. If I stay at my sister's house and she feeds me the whole time I'm traveling, I can get $182 for each day as my per diem and pocket the entire amount. There's nothing bilking or cheating anyone or anything. In fact the person who should feel cheated is my sister since she put me up and fed me. I'm not familiar with where her home is situated in comparison to the Capital offices, but if she's not incurring the budgeted expense of hotel housing, then a per diem is perfectly fair. In fact, if you think it's so outrageous, please check into your state senator and congressional representative. You'll find that they tend to BUY a 2nd home in Washington DC and collect the per diem that I've explained. This policy is common place.
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Would you ask this question if the gender roles were reversed?
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I think its time to stop with the PALINtology and put the focus back on the top dog.
Palin has energized the social conservative base and that is not likely to change. McCain's policy positions have not changed with her on the ticket and IMO, those are losing positions with many of the swing voters. Hit him again, harder! Let her be who/what she is and leave it to Biden to debate her on Oct. 2.
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