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09-09-2008, 02:39 PM | #123 (permalink) |
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Good question, I'm with Will, I'd like to know too. What are the duties of the Second Husband? Maybe DC can shed some light here. She seems to be pretty knowledgeable on the inner-workings of the federal government.
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Oh wait... and the publisher canceled plans to reissue the novel when she was "second lady" because she was concerned that the book did not represent her "best work." In other words, there is no official role for the spouse of a VP.
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09-10-2008, 12:46 PM | #127 (permalink) | |
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I wonder if Obama/Biden really want the bridge issue front and center? Sen. Demint's opinion piece in the WSJ today helps put the issue in perspective. Considering a govenor does not vote on federal earmarks but senators do, perhaps they should explain their support for the bridge.
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09-10-2008, 01:12 PM | #128 (permalink) | |
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Here are some facts: Palin lobbied for the earmark for the bridge to nowhere before she opposed it (after it was effectively dead already), as governor, her state was ranked number one (per capita) in earmarks (receiving 10x the national average) and as mayor, she hired a lobbyist to pursue earmarks, which is very rare for a city that size.....but that doesnt make her better or worse than Obama or Biden....but it also doesnt make her a "reformer" as she proclaims. All the earmark talk is political theater. Earmarks represent an insignificant amount (1%) of the federal budget....which does make it difficult to understand how McCain's earmark reform rhetoric will contribute much to balancing the budget or paying for many of his proposals. -----Added 10/9/2008 at 05 : 20 : 33----- BTW...McCain was one of only 14 Senators who voted against last year's comprehensive ethics reform legislation, which included greater transparency in earmarks. (see: CRS summary of the bill, Subtitle B - Earmark Reform) Not that we dont need more ethics/earmark/lobbying reform, but this bill was better than anything the Republicans proposed when in the majority.
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We know how dux feels about the WSJ and editorials that appear in the paper, he often comments on it. I am o.k. with liberals being dismissive of editorials or publications that many people respect. If I were a liberal I would actually be interested in what conservatives have to say and how they view "facts" and issues.
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09-11-2008, 07:19 AM | #131 (permalink) |
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well, here is how i see the debates going between the vp's:
"Biden is a politician, Palin is just a regular woman, she's not sounding all fancy and whatever, she's just using her 'hockey mom' instincts and she sounds like me, how dare Biden pick on her, Just listen to that..he's so sexist, He thinks she can't do a man's job. Finally, we get a 'real' person in the whitehouse" bc that is what i heard after Bush's first debate with kerry. only now, it'll be "big mean biden" against "poor helpless 'real' woman" .... and i think it's in obama's best interest to expose the blatant lies and hypocrisy of what palin and mccain have been saying, including the 'bridge to nowhere' and the "selling the plane on ebay for a profit' when she sold it through a broker at a loss... -----Added 11/9/2008 at 11 : 28 : 21----- http://content.vetpalin.com/index.html?show_all even i hadn't heard all these..sheesh matt damon has a great video on youtube about palin as well
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09-11-2008, 10:26 AM | #133 (permalink) |
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I think it is asinine how McCain/Palin make such a big deal about earmarks. Total earmark spending accounts for about 0.5% of the total federal budget. Ending earmarks would have almost no measurable impact on federal spending. It is useless grandstanding.
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McCain chose someone he should have never considered, a pork barrel fund seeking, christian fundamentalist, a total lightweight, in terms of experience she brings to the ticket. Mayor of a laughably small town, then short term governor of the most isolate US state with a population half the size of the next least populous state. She went to six different colleges in the six years she pursued a batchelor's degree, and McCain elevates her to the league of Rhodes scholar and Yale law grad, Cinton, Yale grad and Harvard MBA grad, GW Bush, US Navy Academy Grad, decorated Navy figher pilot, former POW held for 5-1/2 years, combined house and senate service of 26 years, McCain, former US sect'y of defense, former congressman, and former white house chief of staff and Haliburton CEO, Cheney, Veteran US Senator of 36 years and chairman of the Senate Foreign relations committee, Biden, Harvard grad and Viet Nam veteran and military journalist, two term senator Gore,,,,and ,,,....Harvard Law grad, editor of Harvard Law Review, constitutional law instructor at major university, state legislator and 4 years US Senator, Obama, and grad of a no name college, salmon fisherman, mayor of tiny town, 20 month governor of smallest US state....earmark queen, Palin: Quote:
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Again, I ask - does Obama really want to take the bait on this issue and make it front and center in the news cycle, in the debates, etc. I would think not. {added} Do you see how different my view on this is from Host's view? McCain needs people like me to get interested in his candidacy so he can "win". That is why he picked Palin, and it has worked. a month ago, I felt Obama was going to win by 10 to 15%, now I am not so sure.
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ace....I generally read your WSJ and IBD editorials (or op eds) for the infotainment value.
They are marginally informative and, on occasion, entertaining for the simple fact that they represent the opinion of a writer with an agenda (applies to most editorials and op eds, not just WSJ and IBD). The ones you post often give me insight into the conservative position by presenting only the facts that support that agenda, excluding any facts that dont. Whch is why you rarely see me post or cite editorials as factual. So when you post such editorials that cherrypick the facts...yet try to make a case that it as factual (like your post 127 - "Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story or empty political rhetoric. Please carry on.") ...it is like asking the TFP audience to view a half painted picture and accept your position that it is a masterpiece. Nope...for me it is conservative infotainment, pure and simple....not a source for the objective reporting of facts. -----Added 11/9/2008 at 03 : 40 : 05----- Quote:
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He can also make the point, supported by a more complete review of the facts than in the DeMint WSJ editorial, that Palin has spent more of her political career (state and local) fighting for earmarks then against them.
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Just because someone "cherry picks" facts, data or information does that then mean that the person had to have ignored other facts, data or information? Is it possible that a person can objectively give differing weight to what could be conflicting information? Why assume other information was ignored? Why shouldn't the otherside simply make the case for the other information, engaging in real debate? When "the otherside" presents "facts", why aren't those facts considered "cherry picked" assuming they do not list every possible related piece of information? On the editorials, there are often two ways to read them. I agree with you I read them for the entertainment value, but I also read them for the data points and the sources to other information listed. I often go to the original sources cited in an editorial and look at that information, no different than when I go to an original source from what you may post. I separate the editorial content from the fact based content. Given the differences - you make conclusions about me and my approach and I do the same regarding you and others. As you know (and as odd as it sounds, I am not trying to be offensive to you or anyone as an individual), I think my approach is more honest.
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I dont think it is more honest when you ignore a significant subset of the facts yet declare: "Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story or empty political rhetoric. Please carry on." But hey, we can agree to disagree and I wont infer that you, or all conservatives or republicans, are ignorant or a liar.
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09-11-2008, 12:40 PM | #140 (permalink) | |
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I will continue supporting my view. And, I remember specifically asking for help, help to change such a cynical viewpoint. No one has come to my aid. I am a man in need and I thought liberals believed in kindness and compassion. Gee, again...why...why am I such a cynic. It is a curse, consider yourself lucky being normal.
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09-11-2008, 01:59 PM | #141 (permalink) |
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ace... I dont how we got from earmarks to higher ed aid.
Back to "Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story or empty political rhetoric. Please carry on." I will carry on as requested. Do you think these "facts" should get in the way: McCain speaking in Virginia yesterday, with Palin at his side: “We’re never going to spend $3 million again to study the DNA of bears in Montana.”...or might it reasonably be viewed by some as "empty political rhetoric" on the part of McCain.
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09-11-2008, 07:56 PM | #142 (permalink) |
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straight from the horses mouth:
gibson/palin interview: ABC News part 1-experience issue visited ABC News part 2-on war and god. as for my thoughts: i've seen better interviews for highschool president. seriously, at one point " Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin answered: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."...personally, i live next door to a dentist....is anyone willing to let me give them a root canal... seriously, does that mean every texan has experience bc of proximity to mexico. north dakota bc of proximity to canada? I'm surprised she didn't claim canada AND russia as her credentials. shaking my head slowly...
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And, for those really interested in equal pay for equal work for woman, Republican administrations have a better record than Democratic administrations. Perhaps policies promoting entrepreneurship and real economic growth is what will really solve the problem. Vote Republican If You Want Equal Pay - WSJ.com -----Added 12/9/2008 at 11 : 04 : 41----- Quote:
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Palin without doubt or hesitation believes she is qualified and ready to be VP. She is a winner, she has courage, she is confident. Biden on the otherhand, doesn't think he is as qualified as Clinton to be VP and thinks she may have been a better choice. He did not endorse Obama because of his friendship with Clinton during the primaries. O.k., I am just going to let you know what I was thinking when I heard Bidden. Remember this was just in my head: He has got to be kidding - what a loser. No, he is either lying or he is an idiot - what a loser. If he thinks Clinton would be a better VP why did he accept the role - what a loser? If he really thinks that why would he say it - what a loser! Are people actually buying this false humility? Why was he running for President if he thinks Clinton would be a better VP - what a loser? Does he think Clinton should have been the nominee? So, he did not endorse Obama because he either did not have the courage to tell Clinton or now he is supporting his second or third choice - what a loser! Forgive me for sharing this, I apologize to losers who may be offended with being connected with bidden.
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09-12-2008, 07:26 AM | #144 (permalink) |
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That's fine, Ace. Don't let competence get in the way of choosing who you'll vote for.
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Competence? Irrelevant. As long as they wear the right clothes and can speak confidently and sarcastically at the same time, we'll rally 'round 'em.
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09-12-2008, 07:35 AM | #146 (permalink) |
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I liked her answer when asked what insight she has on the recent actions of Russia-
"They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." Maybe confused "sight" with "insight?"
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yeah--ms palin told us last night that one is "wired" for this sort of thing, so it is a matter of essence, not actual skill, intelligence or experience. one is "wired" so as to "not blink"--and we all know that blinking is the signal of namby-pambyness and that the ability to not be namby-pamby FAR outweighs any actual skill, intelligence or experience. that is why ms. palin said that she supports sending american troops into south ossetia, or would send them into the ukraine should "something" happens--and she would of course "not blink" because, well.
what a fucking idiot. seriously. no wonder the right wanted to keep her wraps for a while and instead try to set into motion a content-free campaign, one of colored gas and empty memes.
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09-12-2008, 07:49 AM | #149 (permalink) |
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So that's all you need to believe in her? Interesting standards. I know a shit-ton of people who can live up to those standards.
As for Biden, well... I'll take humility (even fake humility!) any day, over someone who thinks she's "wired" to be VP. But hey, as long as SHE says she's "ready to lead," it MUST BE TRUE!!! Because if you say something, it becomes real, right? Maybe we really do live in Harry Potter-land.
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Understand that the "qualifications" for being President or Vice President are in the Constitution. When they wrote it they could have listed as many requirements as they wanted, they listed two. The suggestion that Palin, or even me, are not qualified because we have not been to an Ivy league school, been in the Senate, graduated law school, had lunch with foreign leaders, shared a bed with a President, etc. - is absurd. Character tells me more about how a person would approach the job than how many times they visited France. Give me a "winner", a person with resolve, confidence, a true leader any day over a person who would project false humility.
-----Added 12/9/2008 at 11 : 59 : 45----- What does what they wear have to do with it. And they call me a chauvinist. Seems the only people concerned about appearance are liberals. Go figure.
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Yep the qualifications of POTUS and VPOTUS are in the Constitution, plain and clear. Which of course means Carrot Top (Scott Thompson) is qualified to be either. I'm not voting for him if he runs either, even if his claims to be qualified.
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McCain speaking last year in the early days of the campaign: Mayors, Govs Don't Have Nat'l Security Experience
Yep...he is prepared...but it sure sounds like he didnt believe mayors or governors are prepared. But I understand the new caveat...they are qualified if they are governor of a state from which they can "see" Russia!
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God forbid that intelligence and critical thinking skills should play a part in someone becoming president or vice-president of the United States of America. Clearly, Democrats who have any kind of IQ should not even bother running, because it doesn't get them anywhere with the average population. Really, the Democrats shoot too high, that's their problem. People can't take anything Above Average in this country, after all. Now, about honesty. Really? We're talking about politicians, here. None of them can be honest, it's just part of the job. But talking about any kind of foreign policy from the perspective of being able to "see Russia from here!"... yeah. I just can't even fathom how that begins to appeal to anyone, but obviously I am one of those meddling elites, right? Well, that's fine. I'll go sit in my Elite Chair now and read some Elite News and have some Elite Dinner, and give my Elite Nerves a break before an Elite Screw comes loose. /done here for a while.
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Caught a little of her interview with Gibson tonight. Gibson lobbed her a softball regarding Hilary. That aside I thought Gibson was pretty even with her and her lack of understanding, knowledge and even honesty was clearly apparent. Just hearing her answers regarding earmarks alone were complete horse shit. It's not that they're getting and spending earmarks that's bad, it's the fault of the congress for sending them in the first place. What kind of bizzaro logic is that? For that to even come close to making sense you have to forget she hired a lobby firm to secure the freaking earmarks to begin with. And what's with the "Well I reduced the earmarks" BS? I mean I like the fact she's cut spending- but her state is number one or two when it comes to earmarks. How can she run on an anti-ear mark platform if she's been the governor of the state getting the most ear marks?
A friend e-mailed me and said she stated, during the send off ceremony for her son's guard unit to Iraq, that they were going there to fight those who attacked us on 9-11. I didn't see it but if that's true that a new low even for her... which is saying a lot.
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otto...do you really think its honest for any politician to keep inferring that there was some connection between 9/11 and Iraq?
With Cheney, at least we know its a clear case of attempting to manipulate the facts and perpetuate a falsehood for political purposes. With Palin, we dont know if that is the case of if she is simply ignorant of the facts. We do know that on several occasions,McCain seemed to have a hard time being able to distinguish between Shiia and Sunni. IMO, neither Paln's intentional or ignorant 9/11-Iraq reference nor McCain's Shiia-Sunni confusion inspires alot of confidence.
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