09-24-2008, 07:28 AM | #321 (permalink) | |
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I said, that notwithstanding the choice made, the reality is there, what is the next step? rb, that's fine, you can think of it as being as ass. I don't. I look at a $20M budget variance every month and have to see what things need to be looked at as best as possible making sure we don't spend more than we need to on any single line items. If there are increases, the question is why are there increases? Can those increases be mitigated in some fashion. If there are problems the question becomes why are the problems happening? What can be done? Where will the funds come from to continue operations? But again, you'd rather say I'm being an ass instead of seeing my point of view and where I'm coming from. I've leaned over and bent over backwards to understand each and everyone's points. Few have done the same. Good way to have discussions.
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09-24-2008, 07:53 AM | #322 (permalink) |
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and you only read the last sentence or two of my post.
you act as though the state was some voluntary association that meets around the woodstove in order to decide whether we should have a fire department this week or whether we care this week about women who are raped enough to not take care of a couple telephone poles or deal with a neighbor's chipmunk problem. and as if the pool of resources that a state works with is the quarters that we all throw into a spitoon or some such. there's nothing about that which enables a discussion: you set it up so that you either agree with your premise and then there "is a discussion" or you don't, in which case "you have poor communication skills" there is a broader question that you could ask, which has to do with whether it makes sense to import micro-level understanding to thinking about how a state allocates resources---but you'd have to want to have a discussion about that. and you don't---you assume your way of posing the question is coherent.
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09-24-2008, 08:07 AM | #323 (permalink) | |
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I've been asking to engage in discussion as to a better understanding, but again, "i reject it." is the response. So furthering my understanding is nil. good way to discuss and impart more information.
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09-24-2008, 08:38 AM | #324 (permalink) |
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so there's no expectation in your world that logic is of any consequence and no reason to assume that if your logic is a mess then you might not get the responses you find to be interesting or helpful?
and if there is a logic problem with a given argument, the problem lay not with the author of the post, but with the people who point out that there's a logic problem? is that how things work for you? this is not a game i am at all interested in playing.
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09-24-2008, 08:51 AM | #325 (permalink) | |
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this has been a wonderful waste of time, just as effective as a facebook game. I come back and check every few minutes to see what's changed, type a few things, click a button or two, and then come back again. Wheee! You're right it isn't fun playing.
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09-24-2008, 09:00 AM | #327 (permalink) |
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here's my last comment: the discussion that has now ground to a halt had any number of possibilities in terms of movement, how and in which direction it could happen. you chose not to take the rest of us up on the questions that were raised about your argument. that was *your* choice, and much of the discussion has, in fact, been shaped by *your* choice and reactions to *your* choices. *you* chose not to reconsider your position, *you* chose to push this thread in the direction it's gone.
buck up, comrade. this is not such a big deal.
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09-24-2008, 09:03 AM | #328 (permalink) |
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right, it's my fault to ask where the monies for something should come from. SHOCKING! SHOCKING! I say.
that's retarded rb. simply retarded to say that there's no logic to that question, that there's no logic to positing it in any form. that's utter bullshit. so sorry to disrupt you socialists and your advocation of free social programs where no one pays for anything and everyone owns everything. i'll leave so you guys can just kumbaya yourselves back to sleepy dreams.
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09-24-2008, 09:18 AM | #329 (permalink) | |
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Since this isn't a private correspondence and I was one who did choose to reconsider my initial position (which had been the same as yours) after reading the responses and now understand where Cyth's coming from, why would you accuse him of not reconsidering his position when you still haven't even reconsidered yours? He asked a question, we all came at him with our positions. Why should he back down from a valid question? WHen I asked the same question (not framed in a rapekit), why was it discounted?
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I understand what you're saying, I just fail to see why you find it even remotely interesting in this context. You want to know who is going to pay for it and our collective response is "it should be the police department, because that is their role." It isn't that difficult. You're asking a question as if the majority of people don't already have an answer for it, and then you're acting like it's somehow insightful. Clearly, when times are tough, tough financial decisions need to be made. Were times tough when Palin was mayor of Wasilla? I think a brand new sports complex would say no. So what's your point? That tough times in general call for tough financial decisions? Does anyone disagree with that? I also understand that you said something that made it seem like you felt that there were enough instances of false rape accusations that perhaps rape victims should have to pay for their rape kits. I think you said something ill-advised and now are so desperately trying to make this discussion about something else entirely. i.e. "It's not that I think that a lot of rape victims are liars, it's that I'm innocently curious about the mundane financial decision making processes of local government." Whatever. This "fiscal responsibility" tack is bullshit. You aren't the only one who is aware of the fact that money is exchanged for goods and service. It's not a very revelatory point. That you seem to think it is beyond anyone here is silly. Quote:
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09-24-2008, 09:47 AM | #331 (permalink) |
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I don't know why you guys are still playing with this subtopic. It isn't like he's going to admit he's wrong about his assessment of the situation (despite overwhelming evidence). All you will get is self gratifying bs about how he understands fiscal responsibility and nobody else does.
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09-24-2008, 10:05 AM | #332 (permalink) | |
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09-24-2008, 05:56 PM | #333 (permalink) | |
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Oh, and about that infamous bridge...
Biden, Obama helped keep 'Bridge to Nowhere' alive - CNN.com Quote:
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09-24-2008, 06:00 PM | #334 (permalink) | |
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09-24-2008, 06:04 PM | #335 (permalink) |
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Mostly because this is the Palin-vetting thread, which deals with issues surrounding Gov. Palin, one of which is the Ketchikan-Gravina Bridge. The one which everyone keeps attacking her for supporting, but which both Senator Obama and Senator Biden also supported. It's intended primarily to call attention to the fact that very few people's hands are clean in this, and that those who live surrounded by fans probably shouldn't start slinging shit around.
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09-24-2008, 06:13 PM | #336 (permalink) | |
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IMO, the difference is that "earmark reform" is not the talking point repeated again and again and again by Obama and Biden as it is with McCain and Palin...particularly with McCain voting against the 05 bi-partisan earmark reform legislation and Palin requesting and receiving more earmarks (per capita) in 08-09 than any other governor. Ending all earmarks (less than 1 percent of the budget) will have little impact, despite the McCain/Palin claims that it will be the centerpiece of their budget reform.
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09-24-2008, 06:24 PM | #337 (permalink) | |
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I object to the earmark system on principle, but since it's currently in place (and unlikely to go anywhere) I don't have a problem with congressthingies or governors trying to get some of their constituent's stolen money back and applied to things that the money should be going for anyway. I only truly get outraged when it goes for pointless pet projects, silly nonsense like studies on the IQ of Mayonnaise. |
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09-24-2008, 06:32 PM | #338 (permalink) | |
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You can find Palin's $200 million in 09 earmark requests here (pdf) My issue with McCain/Palin is the hypocrisy of playing the earmark boogeyman card at every turn and the nonsense that ending them will contribute significantly to balancing the budget.
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09-24-2008, 07:46 PM | #339 (permalink) | |
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Besides, this issue isn't who supported it or didn't support it. The issue is who denies ever supporting it and claims she said 'thanks but no thanks' If you are interested in the full story you can read about it here. Quote:
Here is what Palin said when the project was finally killed (one year ago): Quote:
The CNN story is ridiculous. So what if Biden and Obama voted for tranportation bills that included it. They haven't made a campaign about wasteful earmark spending and then went and picked up the governer from the state requesting his example of wasteful earmark spending. What Palin should have done is admit that it was a bad project and that she shouldn't have supported it. Instead she lies and acts as if she never wanted the bridges. Everyone in the world says, wait a second, right here you actively supported it. She ignores it and repeats the lie a dozen times. Whatever on the bridge. Palin has bigger problems. She got totally pwned by Katie Couric: Quote:
This shows exactly why they don't let he talk to the press. She really has trouble when a question doesn't fit the talking points. Honestly it isn't all her fault. She never should have been picked for the job. She is about as unqualified as you can get. Last edited by kutulu; 09-25-2008 at 12:27 AM.. |
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09-25-2008, 05:50 PM | #341 (permalink) | |
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09-26-2008, 01:47 AM | #342 (permalink) |
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Thanks, I guess. I'm concerned about gender backlash.
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09-26-2008, 03:10 PM | #343 (permalink) | |
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The best line of the day...from conservative columnist Kathleen Parker of the National Review:
If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.Paker just ripped Palin wide open: Quote:
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Seeing the Republican party move even further to the right as a result of the influence of the Tea Party candidates with radical positions that will be ripe for legitimate questioning during the general election campaign. I'm under no illusion that the Democrats wont lose a significant number of sears this November and possibly the majority in either the House and/or Senate. From Obama's perspective, it is probably the best outcome for the 2012 campaign. Many of the Tea Party positions play well in the Republican primaries, but simply criticizing, demagoguing and pandering as opposed to offering positive solutions do not make for popular governance among most centrists. One only need look at the positions (and outlandish statements) of folks like Rand Paul in KY and Sharon Angle in NV. And in the long term, alienating most minorities and many moderates on social issues (as opposed to fiscal issues) is not a strategy for long term success.
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08-26-2010, 02:31 PM | #346 (permalink) | |
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Actually I'm not only expecting heavy loses mid-term I'm welcoming them. Let the GOP vote in a bunch of right leaning loons. It will only show their ideas for what they are- really bad and even worse. Hell I hope Nv goes to Sharron Angle. I'd think after hearing of her "Scientology for prisoners" et el programs people wouldn't vote for her but Reid is a pretty ripe target. At this point Tara Reid might kick his ass. That should make the field better in 2012. Then maybe they'll (the GOP) put up someone sane in 2012 to challenge Obama. Then maybe we'll have less of a bad choice for those who decide Obama's not worth another term.
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