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Hmmmm. I really don't like Christians very much (I'm pagan), but a GF who only blows you and occasionally lets you do anal? I think I'm gonna start cruising the churches!!! Where do I sign up?

lukethebandgeek

Hell, take what you can get... Any blowjob is better than no blowjob.

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You don't like Christians?! Wtf?! Don't you think that's a gross generalization? If I said, "I hate all black people", I would be dismissed as a racist. If I said, "I hate all women", I would be dismissed as a sexist. If I said, "I hate all Pokemon", I would be considered normal. But if someone says, "I hate all (insert religon here)", that's usually considered to be bigotus. I'm not saying you are definatally a bigot. I was just a little offended by what you said. Now you probably won't like me because I called you on this, but there has to be a christian out there you'd like.

Also, you are the only person who I've ever seen refering to yourself as a 'pagan'. Pagan simply means not of the Christian, Jewish, or Muslim religions. Everything from Wicca to Hinduism is technically pegan (it's a general label, like gentile). Buddhism and Taoism, too. Maybe you're a Satanist?

Mephisto2

Man oh man, that was funny.


Must go get some tissues to wipe the coffee off my screen now.



Mr Mephisto

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Wow. Did I strike a nerve there or what?

This is the biggest reason I don't like Christians. They freak out over everything. Chill dude.

And if it really matters to you, I'm a Druid. Specifically I'm a solitary Druid loosley associated with the Reformed Druids of North America. Does that make you happy? Pagan to me usually denotes a member of the many flavors of Celtic/Anglo-Saxon based faiths. Most of the folks in our community refer to themselves as Pagan.

It's this "in your face" confrontational mentality that turns people off to Christians. Pagans are content with that general term because someones faith is a very personal, private matter, and the specifics are not necessary for people to know in casual conversation. It's a person's own business. Leave it that way.

geb

Given reason enough, anyone can justify their actions in order to accomodate their desires.

Bustello

The Bible is a mess of contradictions, and this girl is an example of that.

ibis

My first serious GF was sorta like this.

She'd give hadjobs OVER A SHEET, but nothing else

I'll always look back at that and laugh.

heroquest

Haha. That made me laugh.

shortynickel

Okay heres my thing....my wife and i are both christians...i went/go to a bible church and she is a luthuren...but basically believe the same thing....we had sex before marriage and we also worried about getting pregnant and was hard to purchase a condom at the time cause we knew everyone where we always shopped at...but does that make us hypicits cause we are christians? i think not...anyway...i have never heard of having anal sex, to keep your virginity and didnt know it was so well followed so to speak.

I can understand the thinking behind just giving blowjobs but not sex...cause when ur a teenager...you dont think of like std's and stuff.

I love that comment hun.

that also offended me...and i dont get offended easily lol...

i am curious what ur opinion of a healthy outlook on sex is?

Grace, Too

You, sir, don't have a clue what you are talking about. Prove it.

sblime42

I'll prove it for him. I'm Jewish and during our confirmation class our rabbi told us about these contradictions.

He admitted that the bible was flawed and that god most likely did not write it. However, he told us that even if we didn't believe the bible as the word of god, we should believe in the deeper message it contained; a message of hope and peace gained through acts of good will.

Mind you, this all came from a conservative rabbi (meaning not orthodox or reform), and I walked out of that class with a ton of newfound respect for this man who admitted that organized religion was basically bs. I was proud to be a member of his synagogue.

Either way, here is your list of inconsistencies and contradictions:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...stencies.shtml

Religious scholars have managed to explain some these contradiction, and to be fair here's the link for that:

http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm

However, not all of the contradictions can readily be explained. Good luck on your journey of introspection.

Strange Famous

As far as I can see, this girls choices on the matter - and her motivation towards making them - are up to her. The degree of hostility and criticism from some quarters seems to me to be totally unjustified. Who else has the right to interpret what her religion demands of her? Her relationship with her God is her own personal business, and no one elses.

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shortynickel

You are write when you say that God didnt write the bible cause he didnt...humans wrote it for/thru him...so tech. he did write the bible.

vinmag7

lmao - i was reading through the post to see if anyone had quoted clerks excellent

vinmag7

i call this cafeteria christianity - people use it all the time they take one part of the bible or there religion and they follow that as the absolute truth and ignore another part.

the right uses it all the time in it's argument that gays are bad - at another point in the bible it says we should stone childern who severly misbehave - but i don't see too many people asking for even corporal punishment back

mused76

christian girls are kinky.

Grace, Too

[QUOTE=sblime42]I'll prove it for him. I'm Jewish and during our confirmation class our rabbi told us about these contradictions.

He admitted that the bible was flawed and that god most likely did not write it. However, he told us that even if we didn't believe the bible as the word of god, we should believe in the deeper message it contained; a message of hope and peace gained through acts of good will.

Your source is flawed. Your rabbi friend is not the only person who can have a valid opinion of the word of God. Also, Jew's only recognize half the Bible. You also gave no proofs from your rabbi friend that the Bible is inaccurate. Did he have some?

Do you know for sure that the inaccuracies listed on that website are true? Have you ever read the Bible?

If I were you I'd decide some things for myself, and not let others tell me what to think about God and the Bible.

zap

for a simple thread , and an interesting one it didn`t harf get testy. If a girl wants to give anything up, we gotta just take it and move on. thats my 2 cents.

TNJ4555

No sex before marriage? How about no sex after marriage! I guess that's the difference between secular & religious.

Christian girls do it in the ass?!? I hear Utah is lovely this time of year.

Blowjobs aren't sex? My wife's attorney would get a kick out of that.

decryption69

I find it interesting that she is called a hypocrite when the definition of a hypocrite is " a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he does not hold".

She professes a belief and she holds to that belief according to her interpretation of her beliefs. Isn't that human nature as well? We are ALL hypocrites, it's unavoidable. People use that term so loosely and usually without really knowing what it means. To be human is to be a hypocrite in some form or fashion.

She probably honestly believes that oral sex does not go against her Christianity. If you go by most interpretations of the Bibile (by the way the Bible says something different to most everyone, again it's interpretation). It's like kids these days that think oral sex and anal sex, but no vaginal sex makes them a virgin. All are a form of sex.

Lindy

Interesting thread. Some of my friends and coworkers might call me a "hardcore Christian" because I go to church religiously (pun!) and am involved in a lot of church and family social activities. I'm very active in my church. I prefer these activities to bar crawling and partying where a lot of the people drink and do drugs. I'm just not in to that kind of lifestyle. That does NOT mean that I don't like sex. I can get awfully hot and horny. Some of that is just lonliness-but some is nothing but sexual lust. I was a great match with my ex-husband, that way, but unfortunately that was about our only area of commonality.
As far as what constitutes sex, I think that anything that brings on a climax is sex, so, yes, handjobs are sex, blowjobs are sex, vaginal intercourse is sex, and masturbation is just sex gone solo. I even like phone sex as a part of masturbation. Is it sin? I don't know. I don't claim to be without sin.
From this woman's point of view though, intercourse is closer, more intimate emotionally and I will NEVER have intercourse with any man unless I am pretty sure that it is more than a brief fling or one niter. On the other hand (pun!) I just love the feel of a hard-on in my hands adn especially like to watch it come! But no, no, no, not in my face like the porn movies.
I'll turn 28 years old next week When I go to church this Sunday I am going to sit in the front row and wear something low cut that shows off my own ample rack to this new guy singing in the choir. I've caught him looking at my chest a couple of times, so I'm gonna turn up the heat a little bit. Who knows, I may end up with something HOT in my hands. And we might have some other things in common too. I already know that church is important to him and he loves to sing!
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Stompy

I know people like this.

They *are* hypocritical. Each and every one

See, they're quick to profess their opinion about something they don't like, but behind closed doors, they're anything but pure.

It's all a big joke. Jesus approves of all sex.

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wolfpack0102

i once had a girl that would only do anal before normal sex. I wasnt into anal at teh time

chickentribs

The way I understand it, our Christian friend would only be hypocritical if she was telling other people how they should behave in their sex lives. It sounds like she is behaving in accordance with her beliefs, whatever they may be.

I do find it rather hypocritical that people are lashing out against her because her ideas are different than the majority of the people in this thread. Who is pushing the ideology here? I am non-religous, but anybody who makes blanket statements like "I don't like (fill in the group of people)" worry me. You don't have to have religion to be fundamentalist.

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smooth

I agree with the posters expressing this opinion. I also add that this girl doesn't seem fucked up at all, her context is fucked up.

She's trying to please her desires, not the least of which is to please a man she is interested in. She gets nocked for that? I don't understand. I'd be very surprised to find that no young men had pressured her to do something that was otherwise against her belief. Coupled with societal pressures to indulge in loose sexual activity as a male right, and inhibit female sexuality unless engaged on the terms of males (in this particular case, why can't he have sex if she was willing to engage in oral sex--isn't that bizarre, she should have fucked him, otherwise she is confused and hypocritical), it's shocking that she isn't sleeping around and admirable to me.


Also, depending on her flavor of christianity (young catholics come to mind, but not limited to them), her parents might subject her to a yearly exam to ascertain her 'purity.'


If she had just said she didn't want to fuck, that would somehow be better? Odd reasoning to me.


Oh yeah, and I don't recommend not hooking up with christians. And, yes, they do swallow. Seems like you have the opportunity to hit gold--don't fuck it up with short-sightedness. Train her!

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HockeyGuy

Smooth although completely different views to me as i'm a NSBM (no sex before marriage) as it was explained to me.... but I understand FULLY what ur saying and agree with you.
<i>She's trying to please her desires, not the least of which is to please a man she is interested in. She gets nocked for that? I don't understand. I'd be very surprised to find that no young men had pressured her to do something that was otherwise against her belief.</i> I fully have those desires to have sex etc.. but have I? Not yet I believe in waiting for marriage and so far so good! But pressure. Like no other. Hardest (pun...) thing EVER to say no to.... apart from maybe this root canal i need next week...

Also on ur point of having parent 'check' on their children I think that that is wrong to do as it shows no trust in their child. But as with all of this to each their own! -HG

98MustGT

Where does it say that you can't have sex before marriage? Adultry means one of them is married! Maybe I need to read more?

Go back 1000 years, people married by age 15, waiting until your 25 to get married and have sex is not natural and not what people did back then

solaron1

Today alot of people, are just trying to get that big "O". I was brought up a Christian. Went to meetings, knocked on doors, and even gave some speeches. And through all of that time served I've learned that its not the bible that's flawed, its the people who "claim" to follow it that are. With priests molesting little boys, christians fighting christians, and everybody going after whatever gets them whatever it is they want. You've gotta know its the people and not the book. Besides, where in the bible does it say, " And God went down and began to screw all the villagers."

Anybody thats ever picked up the bible and actually had any insight into what its said knows its not a book you can just pick up and read. Its going to make extremely hard reading. Its like trying to pick up a book on Quantum Physics when you don't even heard of an atom.
Acts 8:30,31--"Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloudside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said " Do you actually know what you are reading?" He said " Really, How could I ever do so unless someone guided me?"


Anyways... That being said. The bible was written a long time ago when people, for the most part, actually feared being struck with lightning and the afterlife. It's far from being anything close to that today.

People are always gonna do whatever makes them happy, whether or not it makes sense. I know a "Catholic" girl that did just about every drug there is screws guys on a daily basis, whether or not she's even dating them. Thinks being gay is wrong but isn't opposed to acts of lesbianism.

What people do doesn't have to make sense 'cuz their gonna do it anyway as long as it puts a smile on their face, and makes them feel ever so slightly better at the end of the day. Even if it kills them by the end of the week.