toxic515

All too often people focus too much on the processes and not the goal. Religious extremists are often this way, but then so are most any sort of extremist. Sometimes the process is not compatible with the goal at all. Blowing someone while saving intercourse for marriage is a rather twisted example, much like burning something down to demonstrate against air pollution, or killing someone to demonstrate against abortions... Doesn't really make any sense at all to anyone looking at reality.

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raeanna74

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's why I did it. Not so much because I truely believed what they all told me but more because I would have been in a shitload of trouble had I been caught. Pregnancy was the big way to catch me. I would have lost the college degree I was almost ready to complete. I had only 1 semester left and about $56,000 worth of education.

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tritium

I'm not easily offended, but I am disgusted at that comment.

battlemouth

its the same thing with my gf. weird...

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chavos

as said...this is the fruit of a really funnny irony-the more the religious right talks abstinence, the more they focus on vaginal intercourse. so, all the rightious kids go down on each other.

a funny, NSFW link, is www.technicalvirgin.com. It offers a great spoof of this kind of teaching, and the TV PSAs are highlarious.

It's my conviction that Christianity does not have a sexual ethic-that there is not one set of behaviors that define the Christian sex life. It does have a love ethic. When there is love, that love will define the sex, not the other way around.

but i realize i'm not a very rightwing christian, and that this girl is probably thinking in terms of legalism. its a careful kind of schizophrenic double think that allows people make these kinds of distinctions, but be patient with her, and she may wake up a bit.

Sparhawk

Hey now, if it's good enough for the president's logic, it's good enough for me. =)

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SLIMM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by davidc209
"sex is bad, but blowjobs are ok"

that could be about the best thing i ever heard!
take full advantage my friend!

SLIMM

so you dont wanna hear then about the fact that it was guys he was hooking up with?
i heard he loved to co*k

dylanmarsh

Okay, so I know this may offend a lot of you but I find Christianity to be the most hypocritical religion out there. You can do this but you can't do this; only God can judge you but go ahead and judge for yourself what is sex and what is acceptable to do to your mate. I had a friend who had to screw his girl in the ass all throughout high school because she viewed anal as acceptable way to fulfill sexual desires without losing her virginity. In many ways, I feel a great deal of pity for Christians who have to play mind games with themselves to get off.

sixate

I agree 100%.
I dated a couple of christian girlies who wouldn't fuck. The one barely gave head either!
I've never known a christian girl who has a healthy outlook on sex. They're either complete whores or they're way too uptight. Therefore, I'll never date another christian as long as I live.

Averett

It's not Christianity thats hypocritical, it's the people who pratice it.

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padam

The best sex I ever had was with a very religious girl. blowjobs were specialty. she never felt any remorse.

dylanmarsh

Preach one brotha sixate. I just got out of a bad relationship with a christian girl. She was more than willing to have regular sex and, in fact, was more than willing to seek it out with several different guys, all the while trying to convince me that I should go to church and read the bible. Sigh. Needless to say, I told her I didn't want any part of christianity or her.

analog

It's the way it's taught that causes shit like that to happen. But it's ok, because if there's anything that i've learned about religion, Christians will continue to TAKE IT IN THE ASS, and it's their own fault. (and yes, i'm talking about literally getting ass-fucked as a virginity-keeper.)

Aletheia

That line has been edited and changed many times by popes.

Aletheia

Agreed 100%.

tommyasdfehheia

that's not exactly true

mattevil

If oral hygiene is hygiene
Then oral sex is sex
and you should brush your teeth for both!

happy

excellent

anti fishstick

hmmm but not exactly false though either. thanks for the info. i guess from a woman's perspective, it would be more 'true'.

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B21

Even though i dont consider oral sex as sex that does seem kinda wack. Maybe she doesnt want to have sex with you or maybe shes afraid of gettin pregnant.

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darkallaround

i would just like to point out that although mormonism likes to call itself "christian" 'cause it has "the bible" (which they've made thousands of changes to), it should never be classified as "christian".

but back to the meat. perhaps she is more afraid of pregnancy than anything, and her "bible says no 'sex'" rule is to make it easy for her.

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SLIMM

and people wonder why christians piss me off!
why is it that if another form of religion believes something different then they are no longer "REAL" christians!
i was tought this shit as a kid and it made no sense then either!
catholics were not christins,they were bound for hell
nazarines,mormons,methodists,jehovah's witnesses,amish,ect...
what a bunch of self rightous bullshit!

123dsa

Word.

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bermuDa

http://www.ncmo.org
It seems to be a uniquely mormon idea, since once dating starts, pressure to marry starts. these guys set this site up to hook people up for an hour or two of non-committal make-out (NCMO), no strings attached. Google it, there's probably more info out there. My sister is mormon, she told me about it and I couldn't stop laughing for 5 minutes.

http://www.ncmo.org/new_policy.html under pressure of the LDS powers that be, they changed their site objectives

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Lunchbox7

In my opinion do what you want. If you want to have sex have sex. If you dont then dont. There are non christians who dont have sex. Then there are heaps of christians (Catholics included) who do have pre marital sex. Just dont be hypocritical about it.

anti fishstick

omg. my one mormon friend told me about ncmos! and how she was all about them. hahaha. i thought she made up the term. apparently not...

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bermuDa

they're quite real and quite funny. it's hook-ups, mormon style.

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Grace, Too

All you angry critics out there are assuming of course that people who call themselves Christians are aka PERFECT, which as we all know is a fallacy. No person is perfect. Followers of Christ know that premarital sex is a sin, and so is all the other stuff. If said followers were perfect, they would follow this to the letter. You are also all assuming that everyone who calls themselves a Christian actually is one.

adam

OK, I'm not a Christian, but why is premarital sex a sin?

And, as a non-Christian, I judge Christianity primarily by the behavior of those who call themselves Christians. You know, about the same way we judge Al-Qaeda.

Grace, Too

Why is murder a sin? Why is coveting a sin? Why is stealing a sin? 'Cause God said so, according to the Bible.

I would say you are right to make opinions on Christianity based on it's followers, but I was suggesting that sometimes it seems that the true followers aren't represented. I would argue that there's a lot of Muslims who feel the same way right now.

There is a big big difference between someone who takes the name "christian" because it differentiates them from groups they don't belong to, like Jewish or Muslim, and those who actually adhere to the Biblical principles and actually live a "Christian life". I also argue that many of the people on here railing against Christian hypocrites (which they have every right to) have probably not had the opportunity to see or talk to a 'real, genuine God fearing Christian', to see what being a CHristian is really all about

guthmund

I don't think it's primarily a Christian "thing." I mean, I've known plenty of girls who would be more than happy to have a go at Mr. Happy for you as long as you abided by the "rules." There was really only one rule. Take it out, play with, rub it with various parts of the body, give it a lick, but whatever you do, for chrissakes don't stick it in.

I was good friends with a girl, who wasn't particularly religious, but followed this same creed. She had guy after guy visiting her for "favors" and it didn't bother her a bit. At a party one time, I watched her get one fellow off in the corner with her hand and then go visit another fellow in the back for some "quality time." I listened to this same girl at work about a week later extoll the virtues of being a virgin in this day and age.

You can call it what you want you, but the fact is once your 21st digit shows up, it's some form of sex. It doesn't matter much where you don't stick it.

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Suave

I'm not a Christian, but I believe (at least in the Old Testament) that any sex other than "normal" sex (penis & vagina) was considered sodomy. Sodomy is baaaaaad, mkay? Well anyways, I see where she's coming from, since you can't lose your virginity to oral sex.

adam, premarital sex is a sin because marriage is a sacred institution, and so on. I seriously hope you're not judging Islam based on Al Queda.

HockeyGuy

I'm with NO BLOWJOBS, Handjobs or anything of that sort including heavy petting. INCREDIBLY hard (NO pun intended) esp. when someone is there and wanting it! Kind of lead to my last break-up as well. SO far so good though!

But to each their own!

Willravel

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I think this seems like the obvious answer to questions like abstanance. It seems like God is asking us to go against our own nature. As we grow, we obviously become aware of the opposite sex (and sometimes the same sex, but let's leave that for another thread), it is a natural part of human development. We become sexual for the sake of reproduction. It's programmed in, right? Now the bible say that we should devote ourselves to one person, and only after a promise of singular devotion can we consumate the bond. Do these have to be in opposition?

Obviously it's not easy to wait for that one person who you can love for the rest of your life. No one ever said that'd be easy. I think what the bible is communicating is that God want's us to reproduce, but in a controlled environment. Imagine that we live in a world without premarital sex. How many abortions and infant deaths could be prevented? How many children would have a better chance at growing up in a better home? How many less STDs would there be? I don't know the exact numbers, but it seems that children might be better off being born into a family that planned for it. I am not saying that life conceived outside of marriage is any less than life concieved inside. It just seems that this lesson is there for a good reason.

The problem is people forcing their beliefs on each other. I personally believe in abstaining, but I would never force anyone to follow MY rules. As the act of premarital sex is not illegal, it's not my place (or anyone else's) to enforce God's request.

Here we have a society that is made of of a lot of christians. Those christians live according to a belief system. In this system it is made clear that any premarital sexual relations (Acts 15:20; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7) are considered immoral. Now for the oral and anal(?) sex question, the Bible does not give us a "list" of approved physical activities that a couple can do before they are married.*No where does it say 'Thou shalt not blow', or anything of that sort. It all comes down to your knowledge of God, and His will. If sex before marrige is not allowed by God, it's obvious that any act of foreplay is out of the question.

The problem is that no foreplay can result in pregnancy (unless you're doing it wrong). Oral and anal can result in transfering of STDs and AIDS. Just know that it can be a risk. Make the decision to go all the way, or part of the way, when you are by yourself thinking about right and wrong. Try to avoid making the decision while you are with the object of your desires. It's not impossible to abstain. If I can do it, you can do it. If you want.

adam

I don't see at all why "marriage is a sacred institution" would imply premarital sex is bad. I'm married, and my marriage is very important to me, but it doesn't follow that having sex before marriage was somehow bad. Oh well, just chalk up another part of my culture that mystifies me.

And I didn't say I judged Muslims by Al-Qaeda; I said I judged Al-Qaeda by their behavior. Big difference.

Grace, Too

Pretty solid argument, willravel. Well said.

lunchbox

I have to say I'm shocked. I really didn't think that whole "do me in the ass because I'll still be a virgin thing" really existed in such large numbers. call me naive but i really thought that was something that was rare.

I think the whole "no sex before marriage" thing is out of line. Just my opinion, I think if you love someone share that moment with them. I don't like the idea of religion just for this reason. they like to tell people how to live and what to do with your life. You can't give people a roadmap for life, you just have to live it and find out what's right and what's wrong on your own.

I can't put my faith in a religion (specifically catholicism) that tells me not to have sex before marriage but their so-called clergymen fuck their altar boys.

as for the comments about "not spilling your seed" just reminds me of "the meaning of life" and "every sperm is sacred"

YaWhateva

My girlfriend and I arent having sex until marriage. I am not christian (though I believe in some sort of higher power but hate the hypocrisy of organized religion) and she is Catholic. We are waiting to have sex not necessarily because of religion but because of possible pregnancy and the fact that we cannot handle a kid while we are in college. We also want to make our honeymoon night extremely special and extremely wild. We do everything else besides sex, bj's, handjobs, fingering, oral to her, but sex will wait. It was more her idea to wait, since I wanted to wait just for the one girl that I knew I loved and then anything goes. But I can wait, its definitely worth it but it is extremely extremely hard to do.

P.S. saying no to sex but doing everything else on the basis of religion is extremely hypocritical. Oh and not all Catholics are opposed to birth control, she said she will go on birth control once we start having sex.

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