07-14-2010, 05:10 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Tea Party vs NAACP = race riots ?
this morning I heard some representatives from these groups on NPR and they were spewing some pretty harsh words. I had a paranoid feeling I might see some "political" rallies turn to racial mayhem. I'm afraid I don't have any links to support a structured debate on this at the moment. maybe it's just paranoid thoughts I hope.
I'm sure some of you political junkies have herd some of this stuff somewhere, maybe you have some thoughts on it that will quell my fears ? I hate this kind of stuff, it always requires alot of reading and honestly my dyslexia would make it a second career to read and understand all of it. anyway, I'm just really afraid of the "torch and pitchfork crowd" getting riled up and, well the shit hitting the fan hard.
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07-14-2010, 07:38 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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NAACP is a racist organization along with the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Black Panthers. They support Obama for the sole reason of him being black. If you go to a Tea Party event, you'll be very hard pressed to find a racist in the whole group. They are an outdated group, there is no use for them anymore. "Back in the day" they did alot of good, but now they do more harm than good.
Just another plight to draw attention away from Obama's fast declining popularity. Keep on keeping on, Tea Party. Boink, I wouldn't worry about anything. There's just alot of tension in the country right now. Nothing's going to happen aside from verbal arguments.
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Is George Elliott Clarke a racist? Where do you draw the line?
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07-14-2010, 11:20 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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This is the NAACP trying to bully people and use white guilt to try to keep the tea partiers from success. All it will do is fire them up more. Hell, if I recall correctly, when I stated I was going to a tea party there were people on here saying they were nothing buy disgruntled white people and the mainstream media tried to portray them as such. It's ok for the Black Panthers to break the law and bang batons, call out racial epithets and intimidate people directly outside a polling area (our own government dropped a slam dunk case against them) and the whistleblower is called names and our own government tries to disgrace him. There are some serious problems here. The sad part is the very people who decried Reagan, the Bushs for their abuses and power mongering through businesses and people (usually the religious right)are the very ones that support this racist bullshit and are so quick to point fingers. I mean when Dan Gilbert is called a racist for a letter he addressed to Cavs fans to try to show he wants to build a winner and keep his business alive.... is called a racist and acting like a slave owner and people buy this bullshit it shows the mentality of those people... hate, hate, hate. I truly hope Obama and the Dem party gets their asses handed to them with Reid going down... but my fear is and always has been that something will happen and this election will not go off as smoothly as the past elections or at all for that matter. But my saying that I'm sure is racist to those who want to keep the hate alive.
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07-15-2010, 01:11 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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thanks alot Baraka. I guess what I'm wondering is if you all think people will begin to clash at public events ? I meal real riots with people dying ?
I'm not interested in weather either group is racist, racism is everywhere, but all the hubub is talking heads yanking the chains of the masses again. ya know it's like an illegal dog fight. again nobody has a monopoly on hate, the groups are made up of people who have problems and have alot of anger, but I'm just worried people will really let go, and what will happen. Perl Trade Quote:
throwing political-turned-racial violence on top ? geez, it's just too fucking much !
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07-15-2010, 04:13 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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Why is Michael Steele defending the tea party movement? He's the guy from the establishment who heads a party that has completely and repeatedly sold out tea party values whenever he was given the chance.
I suspect the conflict would be best described as a conflict about racism between two people with different definitions of racism. So it's really nothing more than a giant semantic cluster fuck. And can we stop with the preemptive "I guess that makes me a racist" bullshit? Geez Pan, have you stopped even waiting for people to respond to your posts before you play the victim card? |
07-15-2010, 05:24 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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You know, when it comes to something as serious as race riots, they're usually triggered by some grave injustice, whether true or perceived. I don't think a bunch of racist Tea Partiers shouting and waving placards will trigger race riots. At least, it hasn't happened yet.
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07-15-2010, 06:30 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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Am I the only one who sees the irony of responding to potentially exaggerated claims of racism that were made to delegitimize a political opponent by making their own exaggerated claims of racism in order to delegitimize a political opponent?
Even more ironic is that the people who are responding that way not only want to cry reverse racism, but also somehow claim to be above the fray. I am not defending the NAACP's decision. Not at all. But the "ironing is delicious." Last edited by dippin; 07-15-2010 at 06:39 AM.. |
07-15-2010, 06:35 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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i think there should be an episode of the springer show on which all this important stuff is sorted out with a panel of stupid people yelling at each other until there's a donnybrook and jerry's security apparatus has to step in. at the end, jerry will deliver his usual final thought and a calm will once again descend upon the land.
it'll be great.
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07-15-2010, 06:39 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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No, they'd rather vote one another off the island.
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07-15-2010, 09:32 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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The Tea Party Movement and NAACP both can easily count members of their party which are both racist and archaic in ideology.
Nothing will happen as neither one have any real power over a decent amount of the US population. The tea partiers are only the flavor of the month right now because hardly anyone votes in the party primaries anyways.
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07-16-2010, 06:56 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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I think that a major part of the offense taken on the part of the Tea Party is the egregious double-standard being applied. Tea Party members have been accused of racism, and browbeaten with demands to prove they're -not- racist (an unprovable negative) from Day One because they had the temerity to oppose Mr. Obama. This despite the fact that there are, in fact, "minority" Tea Party members in large numbers (a fact conveniently ignored by the NAACP and mainstream media: doesn't fit the narrative, see). Racism has been repeatedly repudiated by various well-known Tea Party members and speakers, which repudiation has been predictably ignored by the NAACP and mainstream media (doesn't fit the narrative, see). All the while, unsubstantiated claims that various Congressmen were called racist or homophobic names (none of which was, to the best of my knowledge, captured by any of the dozens of cameras and microphones trained on the people in question at the time the alleged incident occurred)* are being used to smear the entire Tea Party movement as a crowd of racist thugs.
All the while the NAACP has done nothing to repudiate the voter-intimidation and racism practiced by the New Black Panther Party and their hangers-on (kill cracker babies, etc) and has seemed to cozen to it in many regards. Compare: Tea Party members are accused, without evidence, of using racist slurs and for this are demonized as racists in the media and by major advocacy groups. The New Black Panther Party is let off the hook despite video of them advocating genocide against whites, infanticide against whites, and practicing voter-intimidation through the use of inflammatory and hateful language and the carry of weapons. That sort of double-standard is what has people upset. Lots of people within the Tea Party have been angered by the racist fringe of their own movement from Day One and have done everything possible to distance themselves from such people, and -still- they're tarred as racists, while the people -calling- them racist have done nothing whatever to repudiate their own racist lunatic fringe. *Andrew Breitbart has offered a $100,000.00 reward for video of this actually happening. So far, he still has his money. Last edited by The_Dunedan; 07-16-2010 at 07:02 AM.. |
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...don't you think it muddies the water? That's to say the least. To me, it seems to fan the flames. If he's a leader, he should act as one. Does he want everyone in the Tea Party to act this way? To think this way? When I see people call the NAACP racists, it's often because they support people on the basis of their being black or because they raise a flag when they see something they deem as racist against blacks (aka "playing the race card"). Well, they happen to be called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. It's their raison d'etre. People consider this in itself racist. I don't get it. How is it racist to support a racial group on the basis of said racial group being disadvantaged by default? They do this because they see a disparity of equality between this group and the status quo. It's as though people are implying that if you don't want to be discriminated against, then don't bring any attention to your discrimination because that only adds to the discrimination's discrimination.... I don't get it. Should we dismantle all the women's groups on the basis of their being sexist? Should we dismantle all the poverty groups on the basis of their being classist? Should we dismantle children's and senior's groups on the basis of their being ageist? I'm sure the NAACP has its problems with racist elements, but to call the organization itself racist doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something. It could be because I'm generally ignorant of their day-to-day operations.
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Secondarily speaking, I doubt it would be possible for -anyone- from the Tea Party to get anything approaching a fair hearing from Anderson Cooper. He's the smarmy, in-the-tank jackhole who gave us "teabagger" as a sexual insult for Tea Party members in the first place. |
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07-16-2010, 08:08 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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About Cooper: All he needed to do, really, was give Williams some rope.
About Tea Party leadership: the nature of groups implies that there needs leadership. Whether it's organized as such is another thing, but there must be even a tenuous leadership structure in the group regardless. I doubt Tea Partiers want to be accused of being too socialist.
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07-16-2010, 08:20 AM | #23 (permalink) |
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so there's no central structure to the tea party and you're quite adamant about that
(i don't doubt it btw....i spent some time with tea partiers over the 4th and found them a pretty disparate but affable bunch whose politics ranged from people who confuse ayn rand with a philosopher to outright neo-fascists--but nice. you know.----to monetarists to social reactionaries to lost old anarchists to apolitical people who are for whatever reason mobilized this way...the only things they had in common were (1) they were freaked out about Something. Something Big. The Way Shit is Going. Something Big that was "explained" a couple times to me with: Whatever, dude, just look around. and (2) they hadn't been politically active before. so remarkably naive.) but you assume that somehow the naacp "controls" the new panther party? you're joking, right? and you know about the panther party how? through the lens of a search for a false equivalent? isn't that getting tired? conservative media has trafficked systematically in the false equivalent and projections based on them for years. the tactic is transparent. why continue with it?
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07-16-2010, 08:22 AM | #24 (permalink) |
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Thanks, rb. Your parenthetical remark made me laugh...twice.
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This does not, of course, address the fact that Tea Party "racism" appears to consist of (and be supported by) satirical and at times offensive placards. King Samir Shabazz and his associates explicitly advocate outright genocide. "Kill cracker babies" and all that. Even Freddie-boy Phelps doesn't tell his followers that "you're gonna need to kill some baby fags." Yet the NBPP gets a pass. Last edited by The_Dunedan; 07-16-2010 at 08:30 AM.. |
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07-16-2010, 08:45 AM | #26 (permalink) |
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premise problem: the equation between the tea party--an organization which doesn't exist---and the naacp--which is an old-school civil rights organization--is in itself false.
it adds legitimacy to the tea party where none should be. it's arrogant on the part of the defenders of the tea party to pretend that they're on the same level, that they've done the same things, that they have anything remotely like the same track record. they don't. the tea party is only trafficking in this canard because they assume that the acronym registers as "some black organization". that's all there is to it. tv news cycle stuff. second, if you **know** the naacp doesn't "run the show" for african-american people, then what the are you doing calling for a "repudiation" from them of a group you know they don't control? particularly after you just get finished whining about how put upon the tea party non-organization is for issuing a repudiation (how if there's no organization?) of it's "fringe elements" (but if there's no organization then there's no center, so what's a fringe?) this "issue" is an unwitting repetition of the Reconstruction period template for the non-movement that is the tea party: white petit-bourgeois types are the Ultimate Victims. any attempts to address racism happen at the (imaginary) expense of that social group. if you want a good history, read w.e.b. dubois' "the souls of black folk."
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I don't see how, except that the NAACP is a centralised group with a leadership structure of which demands may reasonably be made, while the Tea Party is not. You appear to base your contention of false equivalency upon longevity and your political prejudices (Left = good, legitimate, coherent; Right = bad, illegitimate, incoherent). I base my contention of equivalency on the fact that both groups are composed of individuals with a widely varying field of viewpoints, that some of those individuals and viewpoints are racist and repugnant while the majority are not, and that both groups are advocating to whatever extent they are able for their own interests as they see them.
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actually, i based my argument first on the simple fact of organization with an inside and an outside (naacp) as over against one that does not (tea party).
second: the days of the naacp being a "left" organization are long over with. you don't know the lay of the land seemingly. so if the naacp has an inside and an outside and is (like it or not) WAY more moderate than is the new panther party, so much that there's no reason to assume any contact between the organizations (this runs both ways as the panther party is still leninist, so very attentive to inside/outside questions) much less influence. the only way in which organizationally (and this stands in for logic as well, since you're talking about actually existing organizations in the panther party and naacp) these entities have **anything** in common is if you view them from a perspective of not knowing a whole lot and lump them all together because they're primarily african-american organizations. but push at that too far, particularly given that you know there's no reason to assume contact, and you land in a version of the problem you're protesting about (o those black folk are all the same blah blah blah)... and if your real point is to complain about the treatment meted out to the tea party by the mainstream (moderate conservative) media to the tea party, this is a strange way to go about it (i know, i know, the thread kinda requires it)....but personally i don't see that the tea party has anything to complain about. compare the amount of coverage its actions get and have gotten to ANYTHING organized by groups to the left of the democrats (anti-war movement anyone?) and you'll perhaps understand why basically all this complaining makes me laugh. i think it's funny. the tea party gets sweetheart coverage. it wouldn't exist as a movement without the sweetheart coverage it gets on faux news for example. i wouldn't complain if the lunatics are the public face of the movement. the movement owes EVERYTHING to the exposure. there is no bad publicity, right?
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actually, dunedan, the problem is simpler still. to revert to russian revolution-speak, the tea party has the problem that dogged out the mensheviks--lack of formal structure. there are up and down sides to this. in this particular situation, the tea party is dealing with a down side. for other purposes, the same features are likely a plus--like mobilizing across a spectrum of right political positions.
but there's little dispute that the tea party has in the main benefitted from alot alot of press. positive or negative, it hardly matters. the coverage is what generated the impression (illusion?) that there was such a thing as "the tea party"...think about it. without that coverage, the tea party would be in the same kind of position as the militia movement...not able to move outside a very narrow demographic, not able to manage to go past being a mosaic of organizations many no bigger than a post-office box, etc. etc etc.
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This entire thread has a very serious framing issue, a framing issue to common to many debates about race in America. It seems somehow that the discussion of racism is deliberately turned to one of individiual opinion, as if "He's a racist" or "I'm not a racist" is meaningful, or if racism boiled simply down into whether one discriminated against someone of a different race or not. It's a really unfortunate diversion because it leads otherwise good people into debating back and forth about whether they are racist or not, or whether some tea party leader is racist instead of addressing valid questions about race. Questions about how race influences our institutions, and whether there exists actual institutional racism in healthcare or policing, education or finances. Quite simply there are differences, and a vast amount of time could be spent by educated people debating those issues and their potential solutions.
Instead, we get this worthless garbage about whether the NAACP is a "racist organiztaion" or if the Tea Party is racist. And we get all sorts of platitudes and truly intellectually devoid arguments pushed in defense of "I'm not racist, see!" I'm not particularly selecting you Dunedan, as much as your argument: Quote:
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07-16-2010, 10:39 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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Do you know what specious means?
What is a large number? 1? 5? 10? 15? 1000? 10,000?
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Misleading in appearance, misleadingly attractive, or having the appearance of plausibility while actually being incorrect.
You contend that my statement that there are large numbers of non-white Tea Partiers is specious: ie misleading in appearance, misleadingly attractive, or superficially plausible while factually incorrect. How is this the case? And the definition of a "large number" is, as is the term itself, entirely subjective. As a result, what I consider "large" you may not. Ergo, a strawman inviting a moving of goalposts. Since the Tea Party (not being an actual organization) does not keep membership rolls or demographic data on itself, this is an unanswerable question. I perceive the Tea Party as having a significant non-white constituency, while others (including most of the media) deny that -any- such constituency of whatever size exists at all. While neither position is objectively provable, one is demonstrably closer to reality than the other. |
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As an interesting aside, various organizations have tried to measure the demographics for Tea Partiers.
Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia National (US) Poll * March 24, 2010 * Tea Party Could Hurt GOP In Co - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut The latter links to the results of a national poll that suggests 88% of Tea Partiers are white. A separate CNN poll found that 80% were white. I'm not sure how scientific either of these were. These may seem like fairly high percentages, but keep in mind that 75% of Americans are white. (Another interesting aside: if you remove the White American subgroup "White Hispanic and Latino Americans," the percentage drops to around 65%.)
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07-16-2010, 11:19 AM | #39 (permalink) |
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My position: The Tea Party movement has a considerably non-white contingent.
Media/Opposing position: The Tea Party has a negligible or non-existent non-white contingent. Since one can, in fact, see non-white faces at Tea Party functions (and since, as Baraka points out above, polling data seems to put the Tea Party at approximately 12-20% non-white) one of these positions is demonstrably closer to reality than the other, despite the fact that both are subjective. It's the same as describing a sunset as "reddish" while another describes the sunset as "green." "Reddish" is a good approximation of the objectively indescribable colour of a sunset, while "green" is so far removed from that reality as to be safely describable as "not even close to reality." I realise it's a clumsy way of making the point, but it's the best I could come up with on a busy day. |
07-18-2010, 08:59 AM | #40 (permalink) |
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I know that there are still racists in this country. The issue seems to be, that since neither major political party will do anything to advance their cause, they will flock to this new one. They can get some subtle things into their small agenda and random policies, even though they will predominately hurt people of a darker skin color or lower economic status. For example, the whole immigration debate is where each group has a different belief (Dems = make Latinos happy, GOP = cheap labor, Tea party = secure borders, show your papers, use military, or allow ranchers their right to protect themselves by shooting trespassers).
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