The World of Warcraft Thread

[Apokx]

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

I just found this on my server forum and had a good laugh about it. Hopefully you guys appeciate the humor, too:



Edit: Imageshack sucks, so if we blow it, I mirrored it on photobucket.

Brilliant.

[Willravel]

Originally Posted by frogza

World of Warcraft, its a very addictive online role playing game.

Yes, I was pulling eveyone's leg. I was an addict to DAOC, but the MMORPG scene scared me. Not that any of you scare me!

[Redjake]

now that my brother achieved Lieutenant Commander without a freakshow dedicated raid I am wanting to get it also pretty badly......

[Pragma]

Yea, it shouldn't be too hard to get LtCdr - a lot of the 60s in my guild regularily join up and go play AV/WSG for a few hours at a time, and it's much easier to get honor (or just win) when you're coordinating over Ventrilo with people you know.

[Redjake]

yeah but I'm sort of constrained as far as playing goes......that's my main problem. I can't sit and play for hours.

[KWSN]

I've never been able to get past rank 4... I don't enjoy honor/rep grinds. No fun IMO. The High Warlords on my server are freaking nuts, play 24 hours a day straight... our current High Warlord (Evilgumybear) got 1,000,000 CP 2 weeks ago and still failed get HWL behind another guy.

I couldn't imagine doing that O_o

[Lasereth]

I got rank 10 on Tuesday. I'm done with Arathi Basin.

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by Lasereth

I got rank 10 on Tuesday. I'm done with Arathi Basin.

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Congratz



I have been playing more BG now to but the highest rank I got to was rank 3 but I dropped last week to rank 2 so Im trying to get it back up, and keep going

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Redjake

yeah but I'm sort of constrained as far as playing goes......that's my main problem. I can't sit and play for hours.

exactly.. did my first BRD run the other day and didn't even scratch the surface after 6 hours.

I usually don't even have the time to sit for a 2 hour movie...

[Frosstbyte]

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

exactly.. did my first BRD run the other day and didn't even scratch the surface after 6 hours.

I usually don't even have the time to sit for a 2 hour movie...

Dunno if you're in a decent guild, but it's more fun and much more efficient, generally speaking, to get in a good group that knows its way around the instance so you can just burn through it. BRD (along with ST and Gnomeregan) have several layers and are generally long and confusing and easy to get lost in, so it's particularly helpful for those. A warrior and a paladin in my guild two-manned emperor (don't ask me how they did the lyceum, I really don't know) in under two hours.

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

exactly.. did my first BRD run the other day and didn't even scratch the surface after 6 hours.

I usually don't even have the time to sit for a 2 hour movie...

I can sit there for long hours but 6 is my tops, my problem is im never on when my friends/guilds are running the big ones!

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Dunno if you're in a decent guild, but it's more fun and much more efficient, generally speaking, to get in a good group that knows its way around the instance so you can just burn through it. BRD (along with ST and Gnomeregan) have several layers and are generally long and confusing and easy to get lost in, so it's particularly helpful for those. A warrior and a paladin in my guild two-manned emperor (don't ask me how they did the lyceum, I really don't know) in under two hours.

Decent guild and they do know their way around, but for the most part, between stingy drops (fanny packs) and just meelee time it takes several runs to finish the place anyways.

ST normally takes us about 2.5-3 hours to get all the way through and kill Hakkar. And don't forget you still need travel time, and people getting ready, emptying bags, stocking up pots, etc... all those things add up.

When we decided to do the BRD run it took about 1 hour for the 5 man team to get to the door.

I miss town portal scrolls and the stairs from Diablo since they helped get yout o the crucial areas quickly so that you could play where you needed and wanted to without lots of travel or repitition.

[Halx]

If you're experiencing that much trouble getting through instances at your level, I would suggest foregoing instances until you hit 60. On your way, put your feelers out for the names of some of the better instance running guilds (not the raid guilds) and so when you decide you want to run Scholo, DM, Strath, or whatnot, you can fill your group with halfway decent people. It's safe to assume that if you fill your party with people under 60 to tackle BRD or ST then at least half of them have never been there before. When you hit 60, you'll meet people who know instances like the back of their hand because they run them over and over to get various items.

Stratholme, for instance, I have run close to 100 times, in search of various items. First it was 35 times to get my class set legs, now I run it a couple times every week with my guild to farm Righteous Orbs and try to get that stupid flask recipe to drop. Members who often run with us find themselves very frustrated with pickup groups because we can plow through the entire Stratholme instance in half the time it takes a pickup group to do only one side.

So the moral of the story is, if time and competence is a concern for you, for a better gaming experience, surround yourself with people who know what they're doing.



Anyways, I wanted to ask other people from other servers...

My guild recently started raiding MC together. We have a handful of MC veterans and the rest had never stepped foot in MC. Well, in our first week, we got to Ragnaros. In our second week, we took down Onyxia. In our third week, we killed Ragnaros. I am wondering how that would compare with the progress of other guilds?

[Frosstbyte]

I go back and forth about travel in Wow. Sometimes I really like that I have a big world that I have to move around in without really being able to just teleport myself around (as I'm neither mage nor warlock) outside of my hearthstone. I do basically all of my grinding on the elite dragonspawn in burning steppes and have taken to running there on my mount from IF, through Loch Modan, the Badlands and Searing Gorge to get there. And then running back when I'm done. There's something satisfying about seeing the world unfold before me and traveling from snowy mountain heights to sorched deserts.

On the other hand, the amount of time I waste getting to, say, Onyxia every goddamn time gets really old. Or the amount of time I spend waiting for people to show up for BWL or MC. Honestly if invites go out at 6:30, we pull at 7:00, don't be in silithus with your HS on cooldown at 6:45 if you're in the raid. I need to convince my guild to have a location requirement for getting raid invites to work on that.

In response to Hal's question about progress, that's definitely fast, but I suppose it depends on how well geared the MC veterans were. If you have an MT in full might with drillborer and quel'serrar and most of the dark iron set and a few healers in much of their tier 1 set, as long as people are willing to pay attention and follow directions, MC really isn't all that bad. Mostly I'm impressed you managed to get your rogues in good enough FR gear that they were able to survive the fight. Rogue DPS is really critical in getting rag down, and that's usually the biggest thing most guilds have to work on after getting MTs in FR gear in order to take him down.

Onyxia is just hilarious. We 25-man her three times a raidlock with one MC-geared tank, a dwarf priest and whoever else we can find from 55-greened alts to BWL-geared mains.

That's all a long-winded way to say, congrats on getting them down. Get ready for BWL and its MUCH more exciting and engaging challenges.

[Halx]

As far as geared up people.. 1 geared up druid (me), 1 geared up Mage (my gf), 1 geared up Priest, and 2 geared up hunters. All of our tanks were basicly ZG-bred, and we've had a total of 3 Might drops. When we killed Rag, we only had 3 tanks.

Imagine doing Domo with 3 tanks. We had to use 2 Paladins and a druid (me) as the rest of the tanks. Did I mention that we were short on healers too? Our first couple attempts were ruined by disconnects. However, we finally got one good attempt in and made him submit without any deaths at all. 3rd week in the core. Undergeared raid. We're all very full of ourselves now.

I've scheduled BWL in 3 weeks. I'm not really looking forward to wiping on Razorgore and Vael for weeks though. I think we got great players, but I'm under pressure to come up with a good strategy for both so we spend as little time wiping as possible.

[Frosstbyte]

Vael is the bad one. Razor has a few tricks but is MUCH more easy to consistently execute. We've downed nef the last three locks and wiped no fewer than 12 times on Vael this lock. He's random and, if the lag is bad, you're pretty much done.

If you want any help or advice, I'm happy to share strats with you. Lemme know.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Halx

If you're experiencing that much trouble getting through instances at your level, I would suggest foregoing instances until you hit 60. On your way, put your feelers out for the names of some of the better instance running guilds (not the raid guilds) and so when you decide you want to run Scholo, DM, Strath, or whatnot, you can fill your group with halfway decent people. It's safe to assume that if you fill your party with people under 60 to tackle BRD or ST then at least half of them have never been there before. When you hit 60, you'll meet people who know instances like the back of their hand because they run them over and over to get various items.

Stratholme, for instance, I have run close to 100 times, in search of various items. First it was 35 times to get my class set legs, now I run it a couple times every week with my guild to farm Righteous Orbs and try to get that stupid flask recipe to drop. Members who often run with us find themselves very frustrated with pickup groups because we can plow through the entire Stratholme instance in half the time it takes a pickup group to do only one side.

So the moral of the story is, if time and competence is a concern for you, for a better gaming experience, surround yourself with people who know what they're doing.

Most of the quests now are all ends of chains that put you into instances, nothing different than when I wound up in Scarlet Monastery (getting there before having a mount was 30 minutes by itself), Uldaman, and Zul Farrak. Walking about zones just grinding XP killing mobs is boring if not tedious, gaining faction for Timbermaw Hold was absolutely boring. (I still have more faction to build up too, but now I can get into Moonglade.)

It's not too bad at 57-58 (finally did 58 the other day.) It's just long time commitments. I have other things pulling at my schedule like work, social circles, theater, other hobbies, soon an international non profit organization and a new local business venture.

[Halx]

I have this site bookmarked... http://www.inner-sanctum.dk/Web/foru...ShowForum.aspx

The strategies seem solid from just reading them. However, they do not have a Razorgore strat. I have heard about 3 completely different Razorgore strategies.

1. MC the mages and AoE everything in the center.
2. Just kite everything
3. Fear/Frost nova rotation on the whole bunch.

I do know one thing (as I have wiped on this encounter many times as a part of another raid group) and that is we need ONE strategy to start out with and try to perfect from the beginning to the end. I can't try one thing, then say, "well that's not working, let's do something else." If you have a good Razorgore strategy that I can possibly latch onto, I would love to hear it.

[Frosstbyte]

Following is a Razorgore strategy.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

If you don't want to know how the Razorgore fight works because you like to do them fresh, don't read this, please, for me. Just don't. Do it for yourself to. We'll all be happier.

Spoiler: Before you do anything else, you need to designate mind-controllers. Hopefully, you can get the same people to do it every time in order to ensure that they're familiar with their fairly odd role in this fight. We use a rogue and have him MC from the base of the platform right below the orb instead of up top. Another set up point. Make four groups of ten and make them as balanced as possible between healing and DPS. Assign one group to each corner of the room. That group is responsible for CC in that corner.

Razorgore is a four stage fight.

1) Stage One, Who needs a controller anyway?
-this is easy, you kill the named elite and his two guards while the mind controller starts breaking eggs
-after they all die, you have a few seconds during which nothing happens for groups to get into the correct corners and get organized

2) Stage Two, Where are all these guys coming from?
-now the guys start popping out, each type is dealt with differently
--mages: kill kill kill, all rogues and hunters should be taking these down as fast as possible
--legionaires: warriors (and only warriors) get aggro on them doing whatever necessary, once they get a couple, they should start kiting them around in a figure-8 pattern, using the elevations to gain distance-ONLY PALADINS should heal the warriors so priests don't pull aggro and get squished
--dragonspawn: there are a capped number of these and they are best CC'd by druids and warlocks; 1 druid/lock : 1 dragon for the whole fight; have warlocks curse of shadows and then chain fear, have druids faerie fire and chain sleep; the debuff is to indicate that the mob is taken and people should pick unmarked ones to CC

Hunters should feign death and drop a slowing trap at every available opportunity. Priests basically stay put so they don't pull aggro and die during this phase. Towards the end of this phase there will be a LOT of legionaires running around so warriors should be prepared to using piercing howl to slow them or their AE fear howl to get them clear if necessary. Towards the very end of the fight (5-ish eggs left) you will want to have the person MC-ing Razor use his AE fireball to gather EVERYTHING in the room on razor and then have that person release Razor and kite the entire room around while the last eggs are broken. Hunter slowing traps and warrior howls/shouts are key to making sure this person stays up long enough for the last MC'er to finish breaking the eggs.

3) Stage 3, Wait for it...WAIT for it...
-the orb breaks, everyone runs out of the room and Razor is free and ready to smack down some newbs
-ALL DPS should hide behind pillars during this phase to ensure that Razor's AE attacks don't kill them
-Healers should be as far away as possible from Razor
-tanks should be in mix FR/defense gear-you need AT LEAST two tanks for this fight, three is safer
-the tanks should pick him up however they can-you need one on his face and one on his ass
-Razor has two main dangerous attacks:
---AE fireball, hits anyone within damage range and in LoS
---frontal cone conflagration, hits anyone in 90 degree arc in front of him, same as Drak's, you run around like an idiot, take a LOT of damage and lose aggro until it goes away
-BOTH tanks need to build up as much hate as possible so when he conflags one tank he just turns around and starts attacking the other
-healers must be vigilant about healing both tanks (even the one he's not attacking) as he and conflagration do a lot of damage
-wait on all DPS until both tanks have a comfortable (whatever that is for you) amount of hate on Razorgore

4) Stage Four, Don't Die
-this is pretty simple, all you have to do is keep both tanks alive and not pull hate
-DPS need to bandage and pot, as all healer mana should go towards keeping the tanks up
-mages and warlocks need to be VERY careful about overnuking so they don't pull hate; the conflag doesn't WIPE aggro, but your tank can't build up aggro while he's conflagged, so the aggro threshold is slightly lower
-hunters need to feign death every time it's up, rogues need to feint every time it's up and rogues ought to vanish probably around 30% or so
-keep it up until he dies, and receive your Untamed Blade (hopefully) as reward; you might get an arcane infused gem, in which case you have every right to cry piteously because it's terrible except for stopping mass flag caps in BG

If any of that is unclear, please let me know. If you want to IM me about it, my handle is Frosstbyte and I'll be happy to fill in any details I've missed.

On a side note, I do NOT recommend their chromaggus placement. There's a much (in my opinion) easier place than that which does not require pulling him so far. If you're interested when you get there, let me know and I'll tell you. Their other strats are either identical to the ones we use or so close as to not make a meaningful difference (e.g. we fight ebonroc facing the other direction, big whoop).

[Halx]

That's a very identical strategy to the very first one we ever tried. Just to be clear though, who heals the rogues and hunters? And when you release razorgore, there is a second controller who picks him up?

[Frosstbyte]

Rogues and hunters during the killing of mages/kiting phase really shouldn't happen much. Druids and priests could throw HoTs on them while they're killing mages, but the key is to not pull aggro on legionaires or dragons onto you, since you'll then be quickly dead, which is bad.

During the actual fight with Razorgore, they need to take care of themselves. There's not enough healer mana around to keep themselves, tanks and DPS alive. Razorgore's attacks are easy to LoS and bandage or pot or whatever they need to do. You know more about healing than I do, so if you can figure out a way to not pull aggro in the first phase and not run out of mana in the second phase, by all means toss them a heal. It shouldn't be a priority, though.

We have the same guy do all of the controlling. I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but he runs in and just keeps picking up Razorgore, as far as I know. I'm usually too busy killing mages to pay much attention to who is doing the MC, so I could be wrong. I'm almost sure our strategist and raid leader just takes care of it.

[CityOfAngels]

Oh man I can't wait; my video card is supposed to come in TODAY!

[KWSN]

Razorgore strategy:

Play horde.

Drop an earthbind totem. Adds give up and leave.

Drop a windfury totem. Razorgore dies.

Everything else is hard.

[CityOfAngels]

So even though my new video card isn't connected to the power supply, WoW seems to work; kinda. It's a big mess of frameskips, but overall I was not only able to get the jist of the game under such harsh conditions, I am already addicted to it! Here's my first character of WoW:

As you see, he's an undead priest named anglofdth. The two jobs I decided to work on are First Aid and Enchanting. Because playing is so difficult with all the frameskips, I've decided to only solo until I solve the problem (hopefully tomorrow). So I've pretty much just been soloing, doing missions, and exploring. Believe it or not, it took me over 3 hours just to get to level 7! I know I'm a noob; not too proud to admit that.

Anyways, come by and see me sometime. Say hi if you see anglofdth!

[snowy]

Originally Posted by CityOfAngels

The two jobs I decided to work on are First Aid and Enchanting.

Just in case you didn't know this already, First Aid is a secondary skill, meaning you still have another primary tradeskill to choose. Tailoring is a good match for enchanting as enchanting really has no associated gathering skill, and as a priest you'll be able to make some of your own armor. In higher levels, you'll be able to DE stuff you tailor, which is cool.

[Carno]

I solo'ed until level 20 or so. Even then I only got a party when it was a particularly hard quest. I still do most of my quests by myself.

[dabossy2k]

Hate to tell you this but the frame skips may not even be because of your video card. I find that most of the time it is the server that you are playing on. Seems like lag plays a bigger part in it. Specially since you aer in the newb areas where there is normally a lot of traffic you'll see it more.

Also since you seem to want to solo I recommend when you hit ten to start down the shadow talent tree. But you are gonna get a lot of requests to group as priests are the rarest class in the game.

[Frosstbyte]

Frame skips are virtually never a result of server lag. Frame skips, screen lock and slideshow are symptoms of system lag which can only be fixed by upgrading the computer and/or turning down settings. Server lag (which may also be affecting you) generally takes the form of delays in NPC interaction (i.e. you right click them and they wait 5 minutes to open a dialogue window), delay in spell casting and mobs either not hitting you when you think they should be or sitting there not aggro'd, and then suddenly porting to you and you being dead.

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by Carn

I solo'ed until level 20 or so. Even then I only got a party when it was a particularly hard quest. I still do most of my quests by myself.

I'm still soloing at lvl 46....with my rouge, unless I had to instances then I would party up, same with my mage I wouldn't party up unless it was elite, thats what got me to lvl 60 so fast.

[Cynthetiq]

from NY times Jan 28, 2006


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/sp...vide.html?_r=1

Kill the Big, Bad Dragon (Teamwork Required)
By SETH SCHIESEL
Jeff Kaplan knows what it's like to try to please all of the people all of the time. Don't envy him.

As a lead game designer at Blizzard Entertainment for World of Warcraft, the ridiculously successful online PC game that now has more than 5.5 million subscribers, Mr. Kaplan, 33, is a combination of long-term planner, whipping boy, police chief and deity for a rabid global player-base that is about as large as the populations of the cities of Chicago, Houston and Detroit combined. Earlier massively multiplayer online games like EverQuest, which topped out at around a half-million users, appealed almost entirely to hard-core young male players. World of Warcraft, however, has shattered the expectations of just about everyone in the game industry because it also appeals to a broader, more casual audience. And one of the biggest reasons for that appeal is that much of the time, World of Warcraft is a relatively easy game.

That ease of play has made the game fantastically successful, but it has also created what has become almost a blood feud in the game and on Web message boards between the game's casual users and more serious players. The issue is that once players reach Level 60, if they want to keep fighting bigger and badder monsters and if they want to get rarer and more powerful loot, they must start to work in teams, perhaps of 10 or 20 players. The most epic challenges, like conquering Blackwing Lair and its master, the black dragon Nefarian, require 40 players to work together with the coordination of synchronized swimmers.

But because the game from Level 1 to Level 59 is so easy, there are a ton of Level 60 users who don't know how to be team players and don't have the time or inclination to learn. And that is the root of the current conflict. Casual players complain that they can't get rewards comparable to those earned by hard-core raiders, like the Claw of Chromaggus or Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer. Raiders like me often respond that casual players just want a handout.

And caught in the middle are Mr. Kaplan, known online as Tigole, and the rest of the Blizzard team. For the game's newest high-end area, called Ahn'Qiraj, they set up a system earlier this month that essentially requires most of each server's population, casual and hard-core, to work together to amass huge amounts of war materiel like bandages and metals before the gates to the dungeon will open. Naturally, the population on some servers has responded by pulling together (much respect to the Medivh server for being first to open the gates), while on dozens of other servers, like mine, the war effort is progressing more slowly because casual players don't care about opening a high-end zone.

On Thursday morning, Mr. Kaplan took time to discuss World of Warcraft's high-end content, including new details about the game's next hard-core dungeon, the Naxxramas necropolis, home of the undead Scourge. (There is also an additional retail expansion expected later in the year, probably in the fall, that will increase the level cap to 70.) Here follow excerpts from the conversation:

Q. Tell me about your general approach to top-level content and how you can appeal to such a diverse user base.

A. What we constantly do is look at the whole picture. We need to address an audience like my mom, who plays once in a while but still manages to get to Level 60 and doesn't raid, all the way to people who play 14 hours a day who need less sleep than the rest of us. People talk about the game fundamentally changing at Level 60, and they are right. There are people who are seeking that hard-core endgame experience, but to people who casually follow the quests and just ended up at Level 60, it can be very jarring to them. We're trying to put in more content for them, like the Field Duty quests in Ahn'Qiraj, but the resolution we're all hoping for is the expansion, which will give those players more WOW as they know it. [Mr. Kaplan also said that the game would soon add a new casual-player-friendly armor set obtained through a multipart quest. The first parts can be completed by a solo player, he said, while the later parts will require a group of no more than five people.]

Q. Why not just let casual players get rewards comparable to those from raids?

A. It would be almost impossible for us to do, and this is a philosophical decision. We need to put a structure in place for players where they feel that if they do more difficult encounters, they'll get rewarded for it. As soon as we give more equal rewards across the board, for a lot of players it will diminish the accomplishment of killing something like Nefarian. My favorite times in the development cycle are when there are encounters that are close to being defeated but have not yet been beaten. It really creates a sense of awe among the players that there is something big and truly dangerous in the world. But it would be very disappointing if the items found on Nefarian were the same thing you could get in your nightly Stratholme run. [Stratholme is a much easier five-person dungeon.]

Q. What is your reaction to how the efforts to open Ahn'Qiraj are going?

A. This is the first time that we've really put all of the power in the hands of players. So you see some really interesting things going on. In some places, you see multiple über-guilds that have treated each other with respect, or who have called a truce, and are engaged in some massive collective farming. You see a lot of guilds setting up contests to encourage others to participate. The event really comes down to the politics and diplomacy on each realm. But we don't want to punish players on realms that aren't cooperating, so in a week or two the resources will start to just come in on their own. So we gave just enough time to let all of the servers show their feathers and strut their stuff; this is the time to see which servers can really put in the effort.

Q. How long do you think it will be until the top boss in Ahn'Qiraj is defeated?

A. My estimates are in the one-to-two-month range, but my expectation is that it could happen today. I've learned that as soon as something is in the game, you have to expect that it's going to be beaten.

Q. What can you tell me about Naxxramas?

A. Naxxramas is going to be the most difficult thing in the game until the expansion pack comes out. It will be the pinnacle, and it's absolutely massive. You'll see this big necropolis floating above Eastern Plaguelands. It's a 40-man raid zone, and it's bigger than the Undercity [one of the main cities in the game]. Things could change, but we're up to something like 18 bosses in there, and they are really cool, too. But it's going to be hard. Really hard. We're hoping to release it in the spring.

Q. Will we need to open Naxxramas with a big farming event like Ahn'Qiraj?

A. No. Naxxramas will just be open. But we do want to do a world event, which we want to call the Scourge Invasion, or hopefully something cooler than that, that would basically be something for everyone who's not going into Naxxramas. So they would see the impact without having to actually go in. [In other words, get ready for undead to pop up in some unlikely places.]

As usual, feedback is welcomed to thegamer@nytimes.com

5.5 Million users??? no wonder I have some long queue times...

[Lasereth]

Our guild is having major trouble on Razorgore too. The dragonkin keep owning us, and when we try to kite the Legionnaires, they won't follow the warriors. It's sorta annoying how we clear MC from boss 1 to 10 in 4 hours yet can't even get past the eggs in BWL.

[Mr. Mojo]

whats the deal with the Elder coins? I have about 7. I can exchage them for clothes and what else...

I tried to find the Elder in Swamp of Sorrows and pretty much got my ass handed to me (lvl 35 pally) lots of running. Lots. Never found him, where is he?

And i dont know how to get into Searing Gorge - the gate at loch modan is locked for me

[Frosstbyte]

Originally Posted by Lasereth

Our guild is having major trouble on Razorgore too. The dragonkin keep owning us, and when we try to kite the Legionnaires, they won't follow the warriors. It's sorta annoying how we clear MC from boss 1 to 10 in 4 hours yet can't even get past the eggs in BWL.

BWL fights, particularly Razor and Vael, are gimmick fights. It's a one-trick pony that seems really hard and, before you get a strategy down that works for your guild, is really hard. You'll get it to click soon and then you'll wonder what the problem was. My best advice on kiting is to make sure that only paladins are healing because the threat caused by druids and priests is almost always enough to pull the legionaires off. I can't think of what besides healing that would do that.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo

whats the deal with the Elder coins? I have about 7. I can exchage them for clothes and what else...

I tried to find the Elder in Swamp of Sorrows and pretty much got my ass handed to me (lvl 35 pally) lots of running. Lots. Never found him, where is he?

And i dont know how to get into Searing Gorge - the gate at loch modan is locked for me

Inside Sunken Temple, I just did it with 2 hunters 60,59 and 1 priest 59...

I'll post a list of what I found in another place in a moment

[Cynthetiq]

from the WoW forums

The deal with the coins:
There are 44 'Elders' all over the
world (and 6 in instances). They are easy to spot, because they have a bright
white shaft of light all around them. Each elder has a quest, which is really
just talking to him. There is no pre-requisite to do this, you can simply walk
up and talk to any of the 50 Elders listed below. A quick 'Continue' then
'Complete,' and you have yourself a Coin of Ancestry. Each elder gives you 1
coin, and 50 reputation with all horde/alliance factions (example: 50 reputation
with Darkspear Trolls, Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff, and Undercity -- so, 200
reputation total) when you talk to them and complete the mini-quest.

The
Coins of Ancestry can be turned in to 2 NPC's in Nighthaven, a city in
Moonglade, for various rewards (listed at the bottom of this post). Now, the
rewards aren't that good, but the reputation is outstanding. If you visit all of
the NPC's and get their coins, you will recieve a total of 10,000 reputation.
TEN THOUSAND. That's the same as turning in 200 stacks of Runecloth. The
mini-quests give no EXP. (Thanks Basic, of Kil'Jaeden). You, however, get no
bonus for collecting all 50. Which is a bit of an anti-climax.

Here's a
list of all the NPC's and where they're located. (Voxx of Bonechewer has
posted a huge list of all the Elder's coordinates on Page #10 of this
thread, if you're having trouble finding them with just brief descriptions. Huge
thanks to Voxx for taking the time.)

Eastern Kingdoms
The
Undercity - Elder Darkcore, in the throne room at the city entrance
Tirisfal
Glades - Elder Graveborn, Brill, by the Inn on the path
Silverpine Forest -
Elder Obsidian, Sepulcher, at front gate
Western Plaguelands - Elder
Moonstrike, Scholomance, right outside the instance on the roof of the portal
building
Western Plaguelands - Elder Meadowrun, south of Weeping Cavern (Big
thanks to Scurn of Darkspear)
Eastern Plaguelands - Elder Windrun, Crown
Guard Tower
Eastern Plaguelands - Elder Snowcrown, Light's Hope Chapel

The Hinterlands - Elder Highpeak, on the hill at The Creeping Ruin
Loch
Modan - Elder Silvervein, Thelsamar, on a hill overlooking the graveyard.
(thanks Lark of Khaz Modan for the fix)
Dun Morogh - Elder Goldwell,
Kharanos, just North of the Inn along the outside wall
Ironforge - Elder
Bronzebeard, The Mystic Ward in the central pool
Searing Gorge - Elder
Ironband, Blackchar Cave
Burning Steppes - Elder Dawnstrider, Flamecrest,
just West of the flight path, off the ramp.
Burning Steppes, Elder
Rumblerock, Dreadmaul Rock, to the right of the highest cave
Blasted Lands -
Elder Bellowrage, Dark Portal, just over the North lip of the crater

Stormwind City - Elder Hammershout, The Park around the center
Elwynn
Forest - Elder Stormbrow, Goldshire, behind the blacksmith shop by the lake.

Westfall - Elder Skychaser, Sentinel Hill, at the top of the tower.

Stranglethorn Vale - Elder Winterhoof, Booty Bay, near the boat dock on the
lowest level
Stranglethorn Vale - Elder Starglade, Zul'Gurub, right outside
the instance portal to the south

Kalimdor
Darnassus - Elder
Bladeswift, Cenarion Enclave
Teldrassil - Elder Bladeleaf, Dolanaar, just
South-East of the Inn next to a moonwell
Darkshore - Elder Starweave,
Auberdine, just South of city along beach (Thanks Yevin of Feathermoon for the
fix)
Ashenvale - Elder Riversong, Astranaar, center of city in a gazebo

Winterspring - Elder Brightspear, Ruins of Kel'theril, south-east of the
frozen lake in the ruins
Winterspring - Elder Stonespire, Everlook, outside
the bank
Azshara - Elder Skygleam, Ravencrest Monument, eastern tip of the
fallen green statue
Felwood - Elder Nightwind, Jaedenar, North of the first
cave, heading towards the river
Orgrimmar - Elder Darkhorn, outside Thrall's
chamber in the Valley of Wisdom
Durotar - Elder Runetotem, Razor Hill, south
of the Razor Hill Barracks
The Barrens - Elder Windtotem, Ratchet, near
where the engineer trainer/suppliers are in the North.
The Barrens - Elder
Moonwarden, The Crossroads, near flight path
The Barrens - Elder High
Mountain, Camp Taurajo, east gate
Thunder Bluff - Elder Proudhorn, Elder
Rise
Mulgore - Elder Bloodhoof, Bloodhoof Village, next to the bridge on the
path leading to Thunder Bluff
Feralas - Elder Grimtotem, Lariss Pavilion

Feralas - Elder Mistwalker, Dire Maul, in the middle of the arena PvP area

Thousand Needles - Elder Skyseer, Freewind Post
Thousand Needles - Elder
Morningdew, Mirage Raceway, next to the start/finish line
Tanaris - Elder
Ragetotem, Vallew of the Watchers, behind a pillar on the west side of the
giants
Tanaris - Elder Dreamseer, Gadgetzan, south gate
Un'goro Crater -
Elder Thunderhorn, Slithering Scar, just north of the underground hive.

Silithus - Elder Bladesing, Cenarion Hold, in the moonwell
Silithus -
Elder Primestone, Crystal Vale, right before the North-west tent


Inside Instances
Elder Farwhisper - Eastern Plaguelands,
Stratholme, Go in the service gate, then the gate to Scarlet Strat on the left,
then hang a right. (possible, but difficult, for a rogue to stealth to. See Page
#7 for details)
Elder Starsong - Swamp of Sorrows, Sunken Temple, In the
large central dragon room with the hole in the middle, north-east corner.

Elder Morndeep - Blackrock Depths, Ring of Law, middle of the arena floor
(Thanks Wodin of Proudmoore)
Elder Stonefort - Blackrock Spire, LBRS, past
the first bridge
Elder Wildmane - Tanaris, Zul'Farrak, next to Gahz'rilla's
pool (thanks, Mishona of Zul'jin)
Elder Splitrock - Desolace, Maraudon,
between Rotgrip and the Inventor

Rewards:
The Elders
send you items in the mail after you've spoken with them.
From Euphemia of
Stormreaver: "Lucky Red Envelope=Lucky Rockets which once fired will get you a
+250hp buff for 30 mins." You get one of these from every Elder you speak to.

(images removed, bandwidth exceeded and they weren't very interesting
anyway.)

The following are all from the 2 NPC's in Nighthaven,
Moonglade. None of the Coin turnins give any reputation or experience. There are
also level requirements to see the items.
From Adienia of Illidan (big
thanks, Adienia):




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Q u o t e:

Level 25
Small Rockets

Level 35
Large Rockets
Level 45
Cluster Rockets

Firework Launcher
Level 50
Festive Recipes
Level
55
Large Cluster Rockets
Cluster Launcher


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Festive Lunar Dresses, 5 Coins
Choice of
Green, Pink, or Purple Dress (no stats) and a "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"


Festive Lunar Pant Suits, 5 Coins
Choice of Black, Blue, or
Teal Pant Suit (looks like spandex body suit or something, no stats) and a
"Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"

Lunar Dumplings, 1 Coin
8x
Festival Dumplings (Food) - Restores 4% of Health and Mana per second for 25
seconds.

Elune's Candle, 5 Coins
Elune's Candle - Unique -
Use: Shoots a firework at target. - 88 Charges. You also get a "Lunar Festival
Fireworks Pack" with that.

Firework Launcher, 5 Coins

Schematic: Firework Launcher - NOT Bind on Pick Up - Requires
Engineering (225) - Teaches you how to make a Firework Launcher. (Firework
Launcher - Use: Place on the ground to launch firework rockets. Lasts 30
minutes.) ... and "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"

Festive
Recipes, 5 Coins
Pattern: Festive Red Dress - NOT Bind on Pick Up
- Requires Tailoring (250) - Dress has no stats.
Pattern: Festive Red Pant
Suit - NOT Bind on Pick Up - Requires Tailoring (250) - Again, no stats.

... and of course, a "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"

Cluster
Launcher, 5 Coins
Schematic: Firework Cluster Launcher - NOT Bind
on Pick Up - Requires Engineering (275) - Teaches you how to make a Firework
Cluster Launcher. (Cluster Launcher - Use: Place on the ground to launch cluster
rockets. Lasts 30 minutes) ... and a "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"


(These are containers that have the schematics for Fireworks recipe
inside them. The schematics are Bind on Pick Up and require 225 Engineer at the
highest. Thanks Amelle from Lightning's Blade)
Small Rockets, 5 Coins

Small Rocket Recipe and a "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"
Large
Rockets, 5 Coins
Large Rocket Recipe and a "Lunar Festival Fireworks
Pack"
Cluster Rockets, 5 Coins
Cluster Rocket Recipe and a "Lunar
Festival Fireworks Pack"
Large Cluster Rockets, 5 Coins
Large
Cluster Rocket Recipe and a "Lunar Festival Fireworks Pack"

(Thanks
Bytor of Detheroc for the Bind on Pick Up status of the rewards)

[thesupermikey]

I just got WoW last night, and ive been having some trouble.

I'm having some major lag issues.
ive checked all my drivers
ive got:

AMD XP 2100+ (1.7Ghz)
512 RAM
GForce4 Ti 46000

and a cable internet.

anyone have any thoughts? Thanks

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by thesupermikey

I just got WoW last night, and ive been having some trouble.

I'm having some major lag issues.
ive checked all my drivers
ive got:

AMD XP 2100+ (1.7Ghz)
512 RAM
GForce4 Ti 46000

and a cable internet.

anyone have any thoughts? Thanks

what kind of toon are you? Horde? Alliance? Human, Elf?

If you are in Ironforge or Ogrimmar you'll have lots of lag during peak hours. If you are just in the country side...

i had to set my details down pretty low so that it doesn't redraw too far into the distance

[Cynthetiq]

some wild meelee in Stormwind tonight.. dunno why either...

[Lasereth]

We did BWL tonight and got to phase 2 Razorgore!!! We had about half the raid up when Razorgore destroyed all the eggs. It was great. I had no trouble kiting this time. Frost was right, it just sort of clicked for my guild and we really owned it up. Our only problem now is keeping the tanks up without doing too much aggro.

[thesupermikey]

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

what kind of toon are you? Horde? Alliance? Human, Elf?

If you are in Ironforge or Ogrimmar you'll have lots of lag during peak hours. If you are just in the country side...

i had to set my details down pretty low so that it doesn't redraw too far into the distance

im a tauren in the starter town. ive set all the graphics down, but im still not getting anything.

I can move and play for a bit, than i locks up and stuff has happened, ive moved, or ive killed the thing that i was fighting.