Lasereth

I agree 100%.

I'm surprised you also noticed the first scene that Anakin and Padme had. I was like, "What the HELL are the critics talking about? This is actually emotional and well-delivered." Then the rest of the scenes with them were ok, but not good (like the first one).

That movie was unbelievably good. I liked Episode 1. I hated Episode 2...and now this movie leaves the Star Wars saga with a pure, loving mindset. Star Wars is freaking awesome and I'm sad to see it go.

I've been leaving my avatar the same since I joined TFP in hopes that Episode III would be awesome...looks like my avatar is staying permanent. As my brother said, "If I saw George Lucas right now I'd give him a hug."

-Lasereth

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tv shows, please be at least 33% as good as revenge of the sith...

Stompy

Did anyone else see the Millenium Falcon landing?

It's RIGHT after the opening battle when Anakin returns to the council. (I think that's what he was doing... after Obi Wan said, "No, you are the hero today! Now go and enjoy it")

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onodrim

Yeah, I saw that, it was a nice little moment thrown in for the fans.

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Mr.Deflok

Haha I saw that too, was quite funny, half the theatre pointed at it (myself included) when it came in to land. I'm not sure if it's the Falcon or just another YT-3000, apparently it mentions it in the Art of ROTS book which I have got but seem to have possibly glanced over that little detail.

I'm going again tonight and straight after I'm watching A New Hope... can't wait to see the Death Star Hangar duel... especially after this...

Bonesaw

I completely agree that the opening moments with Padme and Anakin are dead on, full of passion and love. Anakin's complete happiness and lack of concern for the concequenses of the inevitable discovery of their marriage, makes the ending that much more tragic. His complete and total acceptance and love of the news of the baby allows for the the consumption of his rage and hatred to allow for the dark side to engulf him.

Man I need to see the movie again like right now! Totally A1 movie!

The movie clipped along so fast moving from one scene to the next that even the dud/lull moments aren't bad because the next scene has so much action that you are captivated again and can easily forget/forgive the previous moment.

I think one of the best scenes is Spoiler: When Yoda walks into the Emperor's chamber and just force slams the two Imperial Guards against the wall to knock them out!

Also the use of the force by all the Jedi for throwing other people was so shockingly cool to see just how powerful the Jedi truly are.

I'm just bummed that I won't be able to show my son the movie until he's older. He's such a nut for Star Wars and he knows that the new one is coming soon but the end is just way to intense and dark for his little noggin to see.

Lordy this movie is awesome.

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I'm only guessing, But I think he gained is fame from "The Clone Wars" cartoons series. in which eps 20-25 are the open scrall for Star Wars EPIII in deatiled story form. I never heard of him either until I was camping out in line and was introduced to the series.

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crossova

I missed the Falcon . Another reason to see the movie again
Did anyone notice George Lucas, he is in the movie (or so i read in the paper. He says he is wearing a helmet but you can see his big beard). I didnt want the movie to end, i was hoping for just a little bit more of seeing luke/leia grow up. Spoiler: At least Episode 3 explains how Yoda & Obi Wan were able to just 'disappear' in Ep. 3 & 6. I wonder if the revised box set will include Qui Gon in the ending scene on Endor.
Throughout the other 5 movies you wonder how can a jedi become so evil, but watching Anakin turn to the dark side it is a reasonable decision and I felt sorry for him. I cant clearly say that i would not have done it if i were him but hey ya never know. does anybody recall the name of the original sith lord that taught Darth Sidious? I want to see if there are any books on him

SecretMethod70

Darth Plagueous (sp?)
This movie was.....awesome.
I want to see it again sometime very soon

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cyrnel

M u s t m a k e t i m e t o s e e t h i s m o v i e ! !

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sixate

Good movie, but nothing great. A movie cannot be great when the best part about it are the special effects. I dunno, I guess movies that are 90% fake kinda annoy me.

Rabid Bunny

Spoiler: Why would Qui Gon come back to see Luke? He has no connection with Luke outside of some 6 degrees of Luke Skywalker thing going on.

Redjake

sure the special effects are great but they aren't the best part about it to a lot of people. the immersive experience of another surreal universe is the best part, and the graphics make up a huge portion of that.

but I guess if you go into it looking for some graphics and that's it then you'd have that opinion

if you look past the graphics you will find an excellent story that builds up and structures 3 of the best movies of all time

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Mr.Deflok

I didn't almost come to tears during Order 66 because of the graphics, nor when Obi-Wan and Anakin have their speeches before and after the duel. The reason I almost came to tears was the cohesive effort of visuals, sounds and emotions

My favourite parts of the film were how people react to given situations, the outcomes and consequences of them and how they relate to the grander scale of all the movies as a complete Saga. Though this film had more special effects than any other it also has the most raw emotion, to get those two things to work together is quite extraordinary. Something fake with something real. Lucas and the entire team and LFL and ILM really need to be commended, I wish I could thank them personally for delivering such a wonderful masterpiece which really does bring the Saga to a fitting end.

CandleInTheDark

This is the single best Star Wars movie. I don't see how anyone can believe ANH and ESB is better than RotS.

The acting got a hell of alot better; I didn't have to leave the theatre in embarrassment. It can be genuinely understood why Anakin turned.

Though I had trouble believing Yoda would give up that easily with the Emperor.

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Holdem Dvorak

I am a huge sci fi fan. Mostly Star Trek. BUT I love Star Wars very much. And all I have to say is that over the past few years these new films have just not felt the same. It has been a great ride but I feel a little empty. Episode one was meh, episode two was a little better, and episode three was a good film. I remember seeing the old ones and not even thinking about the quality of the films. Episodes four, five, and six are legendary because of this flow. These newer films were just not the same. That is all I will say.

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ICER

You know, I had that same feeling, I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I was old enough to remember EP4 in the theater, But the last two seem more like Peter Jackson then Geogre Lucas. and the story line seemed pushed towards the emd to tie up all the loose ends to connect with EP4.

But that's just me. still. there where moments in the film where I was moved. and it does earn a place among the best of Star Wars films. But not THE best. I still have to go with ESB on that one. heck even the Space battle in the opening wasn't as good as the one in RotJ. But all in all. the story is what makes this movie so good. So if Geogre is true to his word. and this is the last of them. He did the last one with style and grace.

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Sleepyjack

Did anyone else notice that the Repulic Soldiers - Temuera Morrison (The kiwi actor who starred in Once were warriors) - looked quite dodgy when they had their helmets off? Like their heads were wavering a bit on top of the model body.
It was entirley CG and it looked kinda dodgy.

Although nitpicking aside i thought it was pretty good; the corruption of Anakin was potrayed quite well - although i felt it went 100000 km/hour at the end, tying up the all the loose ends etc.

Astrocloud

There was a rumor on the web that George Lucas actually appears in the movie dressed in "Galactic Gear". The rumor is true that George Lucas DOES appear in the movie but he was actually caught in a frame in his normal every day clothes. I.E. George Lucas dresses in galactic gear every day.

cait987

I saw it yesterday and wrote my opinion of it on another board and am just copy pasting it ...

I honestly wasn't disappointed in the movie because it had everything right, but it coulda been truely great and not just "blah" if they did a few things different.

Review has spoilers btw, lots of em so don't read it if you havn't seen the movie:

Spoiler: Well, I just saw it and heres my opinion:

It wasn't bad, but it just never held my attention ... why? Because ANAKIN CANNOT ****ING ACT. That in itself brought down the entire movie, the first fight scene I'm sitting there watching him and Dooku fight and I don't even care, theres no intensity/motive to watch, its just a bunch of pretty lights all over the screen and a two guys moving at the speed of turtles.

Then you have Anakin becoming darth vader .... Hes like "I sensed her being alive", and then makes the worst yell ever, chewbaca woulda sounded sadder then he did, he just sat there going like booo freaking hoo.


There were parts where it was good though: The middle hour of the movie, from about the time anakin goes crazy to about the part yoda and anakin fight (aside from the acting) I liked it because there was acctually some tension, like when the jedis were betrayed I acctually stopped focusing on how long until the movie got over and got into it, it lost momentum again after order 66 but if the entire movie was like that it would have been truely a masterpiece. Also, it was pretty dark when anakin betrayed Windu, I acctually got really into it then because it showed how evil he was becoming.

One thing was really missing in the movie I think and that was Build-up, you need build-up to make the people care about the characters, There was no real time in my mind where for 5 minutes I'm sitting there waiting for a fight scene because I know its coming, it just suddenly happened, and then ended just as fast.

Also, the music was good for the yoda/anakin double fight but other then that the musical score in this movie was sorta ... unintense.

I give it a B-, It had good parts and if you want to see a bunch of stuff getting blown up its a decent movie, but in no way does it deserve the title people are giving it as the most amazing starwars movie since ROTJ, I apologize if I'm being to over critical I just think it coulda been better.

BTW,the beginning was absolutely atrocious in my mind, there is nothing funny in a elevator constantly breaking and R2D2 lighting a bunch of dumbass droids on fire, I came to see some drama and ass-kicking, not some stupid robot turn into a pyromaniac to make the audience laugh.

On a side note, it had some sweet previews, Narnia and War of the Worlds have alot of potential, and I can't really understand fantastic 4 to well but it has some potential also.




I apologize if I sound like I hated the movie in the review, I just honestly expected something more, I'm not sure what was missing from it, I think it was just the lack of intensity throughout the movie that really brought it down, it really wasn't the script that messed it up either I just felt like I was watching a soap opera, not a drama with murder and betrayal. On a side note, I talked to everyone else I knew and I was the only one who felt this way, so maybe I just missed something or wasn't into it enough, I'm gonna see it again sometime in the next week and see if I get more into it.

SecretMethod70

Honestly, I think you were expecting too much or something. You associate your assessment to Hayden Christensen, only the first example you use of his "poor acting" is actually James Earl Jones. The music, well, it's John Williams. It wasn't really any different than what he's done for the other movies, minus there being no new musical motif introduced. Finally, I think this is the one prequel where Lucas finally gets the comedy bits right. It's not a lot, not at any really inappropriate moments, and it's very much in the same spirit as the comedy bits in the original trilogy. "I came to see some drama and ass-kicking, not some stupid robot..." I hope you hated every similar aspect of the original trilogy just as much then, otherwise it's just hypocritical IMO.

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Rlyss

I just got back from seeing it... I fucking loved it. The first half hour got me a little worried with the humor (scared droids and 'clever' lines etc.) but after that it just rocked solidly until the end.

I didn't catch the Millenium Falcon but I did love seeing what looked to be earlier versions of the space ships seen in episodes 4,5 and 6. Like the trianglular ships that obviously are the early Star Destroyers, and those X-Wing type fighters that look like they could easily become the X-Wings from the later movies. And especially the TIE fighters, you could see those designs coming. I rememeber the fighter Anakin was flying in the opening scene had the same style of windscreen as the later TIE fighters, and towards the end of the movie small fighters in the same TIE style were getting that screaming/screetching sound that they have in episodes 4,5 and 6. I remember in episodes 1 and 2 people were concerned that the ships were so sleek and shiny and looked too modern compared to the original trilogy but I think they handled the evolution well.

Vader's 'Noooo!' scream towards the end was atrocious. I guess they were going for a Frankenstein's monster scene there. As soon as I saw Spoiler: the Death Star being built I wondered how Darth Vader had managed to get his evil empire kicked into high gear so quickly, when he could hardly walk in his new suit, but then I remembered that in many ways he's just Palpatine's puppet.

Episode 3 is by far the best of the new movies and I think it easily makes up for 1 and 2. If I ever have kids I'll be showing them the original three first, then these new ones.

EDIT: Spoiler: When General Grevious pulls out his four lightsabres, my first thought was 'Mate, that's cheating'. My friend turned to me and said 'That's cheating'. Awesome

ICER

Spoiler: well, the plans for the Death Star was shown in EP2. but what we saw at the end of EP3 wasn't the inner structure. But was in fact the Death Star Prototype. something as big but far less powerful so they could test the firepower of the Main weapon and to get an idea of what was needed to build the actual Death Star

That information was given to me but a hard core Jedi nerd who got that info from a Star Wars guide to Vehicles and Vessels.

some people have wwwaaayyyy to much time on thier hands

namely me

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SAM821

I guess I will add my two cents in...

The movie was by far the best out of the bunch. You cant really compare the originals with the new ones... it would be unfair. The lack of computer animation and technology make it difficult for the originals to hold there ground. But you can still watch those movies 20+ years later and they still kick some serious ass...

With that said, Episode 3 was a masterpiece. I was very impressed with all the visuals, all the fight scene's (Mace Windu's was bad ass), and yes the acting was much better... This movie was complete, it finished the story for sure!

I am definitely gonna watch it again, after I watch Episode 4 again....

Stompy

Everyone's saying the Vader yell ("Noooooooooo") was cheesy but... I didn't think it was at all.

I mean... how else would someone act in that position when you realize you did it all for nothing?

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cyrnel

I expected the Emperor to concoct some story about a Jedi role in Padme's death. Maybe despair makes a better short leash while he gets used to the armor?

I expected Vader to sustain more fire injury, and repair. Hayden Christensen needs a few "system upgrades" to fill out David Prowse's costume for E4.

I still have a hard time believing the Jedi Council would have accepted him as long as they did, or Obi-Wan. Anakin, at least as played by Christensen, is a whining bag of damaged goods.

The scream did seem out of character for the Vader costume, but I give allowance for his newbie-ness. Did anyone else think it sounded a lot like Luke's "father" scream?

There'll be more movies. Eventually. Whether George gets a second wind and brings back 7-9, or hands off the baton, the franchise is worth too much to leave alone forever.

Anyway, so much better than E1&2! If I have the time I'll pay to watch it again.

...and now to give thanks for the muzzled JarJar.

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crossova

Spoiler: I thought Qui Gon would ne at the final scene of ROTJ b/c Lucas had already chose to change one actor in the final scene so it may have been possible.

Spoiler: yoda gave up because he felt a bit over powered, that's my opinion...he was holding his own for some time but after getting knocked down to the main floor and losing his light saber....I don't think he felt it was still necessary to keep fighting. He could always regroup and try another day.

Also, lucas and his daughter are in the scene when Palpatine is at the opera house with anakin.

Yes, the anakin/padme acting wasn't the best but the overall acting in star wars isn't any Academy award worthy stuff...its no LOTR..the opening aerial battle was not the best in any of the star wars episodes. I did like when Spoiler: anakin jumped from his crashed fighter ship and got to work w/ the lightsabers.

Grasshopper Green

Watched it yesterday. By far the best of the first three (not the originals). I really didn't like the first two, so I didn't go in expecting much, and came out pleasantly surprised.

And to share a silly tidbit...I always get choked up when I see the STAR WARS motif and hear the opening strains of the music at the beginning of any of the movies...I suppose it's just something in my subconcious...

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ICER

Same here, I think it's because after all that time waiting in line the movie is finally starting.

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Derwood

Overall, I really loved it. Sure, I had some petty grievances, but I think it answered all the questions I had as to how we got to EpIV

One thing that did bother me that no one has mentioned yet is Spoiler: Padme's strength as a character was completely stripped away in this film. She was never as fiesty as Leia, but she was a former queen who didn't mind picking up a pistol and getting into the action. In EpIII, she was reduced to a worrying, hand-ringing, timid creature. The majority of her screen time involved her looking worriedly out the window. What happened to the strong leader and champion of democracy that we met in the first two prequels?

Also: Spoiler: In EpIV, Obi-Wan gives Luke his father's light saber, telling him "Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough". In EpIII, we see Obi-Wan leave Anakin for dead in the lava pits, taking his light saber with him. I think it would have been more poignant to the original series had there been a scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin (pre dark side) where Anakin made this wish known. Small point, but all the same....

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SecretMethod70

Yeah, I think so...it and many other things connect so well to the originals.

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LoganSnake

I saw the movie, really liked it. I don't get one thing though what was so special about Spoiler: Yoda slamming two guys into a wall?. I mean, people applauded after that scene and I was like "meh". Also the Spoiler: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111!!! was cheesy as hell. I know that he was just adjusting to being all evil and shit, but they could've easily gone without that part. Another rather stupid part was when Spoiler: Obi Wan jumps on a platform 3 inches higher than the Anakin was standing on and said something along the lines of "you lost, I've got the higher ground"

Good movie.

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SecretMethod70

Yoda kicking ass is always special, see my above comment for the relevance of that line by Vader, and being physically higher than someone in melee combat IS a huge advantage.

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cyrnel

I thought it was good. Works with his Harumph facial expressions.

As for higher ground, it seemed like 4-6ft, not 6 inches. Another rash Anakin move instead of moving up or downstream to cross the divide.

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Seething

I liked it a lot, and agree with most people in this thread. Rather than repeat it, I'll get straight to the part I didn't like. General Grievous.

I saw pictures of Grievous long before the movie came out, and thought "Wow, he looks badass!" But in the movie...he's portrayed as a rickety old man. And he coughs, for god's sake. A robot, coughing? They made him out to be a Mr. Burns clone. I'm so disappointed...

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SecretMethod70

You must have missed the 4 or so shots of organic material underneath the robotic shell. Grievous was a being kept alive in a droid's body. I thought the cough was pretty silly at first as well, until they showed his organic parts and then it made sense.

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Bonesaw

The latest issue of Rolling Stone (with Vader on the cover) tells how the cough used for Grievous is actually Lucas'!

As for the gripes (not necessarily posted in this thread but in national reviews et al) about the acting and writing, I have to say that the scene in which Obi Wan confronts Padme for the location of Anakin is one of the best delivered scenes. The first time I saw the movie I was completely gripped by Padme's denial and then acceptance of Obi Wan's information. Upon a second viewing I knew what was coming and was able watch with a more skeptical eye but was still completely gripped by their performances and the writing in that scene wasn't clunky at all

I watched ESB after watching ROTS and for everybody's complaint about how whiney and petulant Anakin is about not being a Master or a more powerful Jedi, I suggest you watch how whiney and impatient Luke is when he is around Yoda. Lucas has done the right thing in making Anakin a whiney brat because that was how Luke was too. In the overall structure of the series Luke is following in the same footsteps of his father. Yoda knew what Anakin was like and if he didn't train Luke properly then all was lost for certain. /soapbox

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Cuatela

The hour that I saw was awesome...I'm going back Tuesday to watch it again.

BTW, did anyone else notice the Duracell battery in Aniken's arm (when he gets up after the first nightmare)?

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Seething

That would make sense...but at the very beginning of the movie you see him fly out the window of his ship, but manage to stay alive in the vacuum of space long enough to get back on board.

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CandleInTheDark

Pregnancy.

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