Stiltzkin

Feeling a bit like Halx right now. While reading through everyone's posts, I was thinking of all this great stuff to say that people haven't mentioned yet... but then I realized that no one would even read my post, let alone would it change anyone's mind about anything. I don't even know why I'm typing this. Well... here goes... :: pushing the submit button::

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Mr.Deflok

I'm ignoring the above post because it looks boring.

The Vader costume is also going to look different from the Vader we see in the OT.

Another thing that I'm surpised that I did not mention let alone of you guys is that there is a Jedi Traitor amongst the ranks of the... Jedi. He/She is the dude/dudette that erased the Kamino files in the Jedi Archives and it is rumoured that he/she'll be killed by Mace or Yoda.

Like in ROTJ when Palpatine tries to lure Luke to the darkside by telling him to strike down his father there is supposed to be a scene that parallels this in Ep3. Apparently Palpatibe will tell Anakin to release his anger, let out his hate and strike down Tyranus where he stands.

p.s. Lucas has said that REVENGE OF THE SITH is not a title he'll use and that pisses me off, what title would be better?

Fire

aaah the great film god hath let us all down- remember people- this man also made howard the duck-- but maybe, just maybe he wont suck the pipe on this one

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dy156

I'm not plugging a site, but for anyone who has hours to kill, www.theforce.net has literally too much content about all the prequels, including spoilers about Ep.3, just for any casual fans that have not heard of it.
After finding out too much about Ep.2, I have decided not to try to find out as much as I can, this last time around.
My personal thought on Ep.2 are that Lucas listened to the fans, and tried to create a movie that was darker in tone, with more fighting, but in all his efforts to do that, forgot to add any soul or emotion to the movie. It was an improvement on Ep1, but little things like...dialogue! still really sucked.
The prequals are just too sanitized, and seem to be just like many summer blockbusters, they are fun to watch, but don't stick with you. Gone are the shocking moments, like Vader telling Luke he was his father, like yoda telling luke that leia was luke's sister; the moments that should stir emotions in the prequals, like Anikan leaving his mother, and Aniken seeing his mother and killing all the sandpeople had so much potential, but...sucked. Unless and until Lucas can recapture his film making ability, I don't have high expectations for Ep.3.

Fagabeefe

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GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.

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Mr.Deflok

I personally thought that Anakin's speech about killing the Tusken Raider's was quite moving, especially in the extended version on the DVD. I just wish Lucas let Hayden act more like that, y'know, realistically. But all in all, Episode II was a brilliant movie.

jumpingbeans

Bring on Chewy!!!!!!!!

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3zos

i dont think episode 1 and 2 were THAT bad... Episode 1 had a good story at least, while episode 2 had... um..... bare Natalie Portman midriff?

Plus its a build up right? the end of the series should be better than the beginning....

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blah-uh

George Lucas has ruined the prequels for me.

I was expecting so much but got so little. These movies ruin themselves and the first 3. Shame on you Lucas.

Mr.Deflok

Once Episode III is ready for the watching I bet a lot of prequel naysayers will change their tune, why? Because they'll finally see the complete story and how well the entire saga fits in together.

Bonesaw

I would agree, but there are always going to be the dorks who say that Lucas left something important. Someone is always going to find something wrong with the movie.

Just like there are folks who say that Peter Jackson left out too much in the LOTR.

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You mean other than the fact that it's really not that good? Everyone standing up for it seems to be doing so out of pure devotion. Just because it "wasn't that bad".

I think the first three were classics, some of the best SF of all time. The new installments are dead on their feet. There are no real suprises, no real depth of character. Hell, there are hardly any real actors or sets.

I'm speaking as a fan here. I WANT them to be good; they just don't have any spirit.

Mr.Deflok

For every so called "fan" who dislikes what Lucas has done with the prequels I can guarantee you there are 100 fans who love it. The trouble is that the uncontented ones are more outspoken than the appreciative and cause a ruckus to which too many people listen to.

One thing I don't understand Star Wars fans saying is "there are no surprises"... hmmm, now let me think... 25 years have passed since Star Wars came out, during that time Lucas has told people about what happens in the prequels... fans learn of this information... and they remember it... they go see the movie and think "Hey! I did already know dat!" Big surprise.

Star Wars is here to stay and no matter how many people say it sucks they will always be outnumbered by those who love it.

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section from Amadeus script:

The Emperor turns to Mozart.

JOSEPH Well, Herr Mozart! A good effort. Decidedly that. An excellent effort! You've shown us something quite new today.

Mozart bows frantically: he is over-excited.

MOZART It is new, it is, isn't it, Sire?

JOSEPH Yes, indeed.

MOZART And German?

JOSEPH Oh, yes. Absolutely. German. Unquestionably!

MOZART So then you like it? You really like it, Your Majesty?

JOSEPH Of course I do. It's very good. Of course now and then - just now and then - it gets a touch elaborate.

MOZART What do you mean, Sire?

JOSEPH Well, I mean occasionally it seems to have, how shall one say? (he stops in difficulty; to Orsini-Rosenberg) How shall one say, Director?

ORSINI-ROSENBERG Too many notes, Your Majesty?

JOSEPH Exactly. Very well put. Too many notes.

MOZART I don't understand. There are just as many notes, Majesty, as are required. Neither more nor less.

JOSEPH My dear fellow, there are in fact only so many notes the ear can hear in the course of an evening. I think I'm right in saying that, aren't I, Court Composer?

SALIERI Yes! yes! er, on the whole, yes, Majesty.

MOZART (to Salieri) But this is absurd!

JOSEPH My dear, young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is inge- nious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Cut a few and it will be perfect.

MOZART Which few did you have in mind, Majesty?

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Quorlan

Unlike many, I am truly looking forward to Episode 3. I think this will be the best of the entire series (originals or prequels). Ever since Empire Strikes Back I have been wishing for a Star Wars movie that is much darker (a.k.a. more realistic, IMO) in tone. It seems the other 5 movies all tend to sugar coat things or gloss over truly 'serious' issues in favor of having a nice story with a happy ending (or at least that eventually leads to a happy ending). Episode 3 is the only chance GL has left to tell a much more gritty and real story that, while still leaving room for hope, doesn't have a neat a tidy happy ending.

If Ep. 3 disappoints me, so be it, but for the moment I eagerly await it more than I've looked forward to any of the others in the series.

TRPF

Figure it this way. Of Episodes 4, 5 and 6- I say 6 is the best.

Hopefully there is a pattern here, and of 1, 2 and 3- 3 Will be the best. Hopefully George pulls out all the stops for the series finale.

djtestudo

My personal opinion as someone who has seen all the movies and that's about it, is that Episode 3 will bring everything together, and you'll be able to see Ep. 1 & 2 leading right into 3 and continuing onto 4-6, almost seemlessly story-wise.

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Derwood

I have been a lifelong Star Wars fan. I've always said Ep IV was my favorite movie of all time. I never like ROTJ much....it clearly showd where Lucas was heading (reaching it's nader with Ep I). Ep II had it's merits.

The thing I've realized, and I can't believe it's come to this, is that the Lord of the Rings trilogy may very well end up being a better trilogy than the original SW episodes (IV-VI). Even a year ago I would have laughed at myself for thinking that, but if "Return of the King" is as good (or better) than Two Towers, I think I may have to rethink what my favorite movies are.

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Gman

It better be good.... it just better be good...

Cynthetiq

the LOTR trilogy has all the same workings of myth that SW world does...as story LOTR has much more behind it as far as years and generations go, being able to realize it into film without losing story or audience is incredible

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http://theforce.net/

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GSRIDER

Did anyone else hear that Chewbacca was going to be the midwife who delivers both Luke and Lieh (sp?)


LAME!!!!!!!!!!

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Jim Kata

I heard that too, GSRIDER. I forgot where, but I did read it somewhere (not that that makes it true).
In all honesty EP I and EP II weren't bad at all. I've watched them numerous times. Everytime I see anyone of them on TV, I watch it.
Sure they weren't as good as EPs IV, V, and VI, but Santa Clause was sure a helluva a lot cooler when I was younger too (you see what I'm trying to say?).
Nothing will ever compete with the Orginal Trilogy and you just gotta accept that and move on. Take the new movies for what they are and not what you thought they should have been.
VIVA LA STAR WARS.

p.s. I can't wait for my Star Wars Chess Set to come today.

Mr.Deflok

This is NOT true, Chewbacca apparently delivers the babies, sure, but not in that sense. He delivers Leia to Bail Organa on Alderaan and Luke to Obi-Wan whom takes him to Tatooine to live with Owen Lars.

Rick McCallum has even said that the midwife theory was false.

clockworkgreen

Eww. Wetnurse Chewy. Smells like wet dog.

Mr.Deflok

Summary of Rick McCallum webchat from yesterday.
McCallum’s comments appear in red.
Sidious/Palpatine has a much more substantial role in Episode III for obvious reasons!
It has the same emotional depth as ESB, and yet because there are so many new planets, it is visually one of the most ambitious films we've done.
On the surface, the film ends on a sad note (and for me, a personally gloomy one, because I'll be out of a job), but of course, we know where the story goes from there. Anakin is the Chosen One, after all.
"Can you tell us if Tarkin will appear in Episode III?"

Officially, I can't answer that. Yet I can't say no either.
Yes, we've shot three major lightsaber battles. I've just left the stage where we have an underwater tank where we're shooting Obi-Wan fighting with droids.
"hey rick! can you tell us just one word that darth vader says in episode III?"

How about three words? "I don't fear..."
"Does George explain all of Anakin's injuries in this film?"

Yes, except for one.
"Does Ep. III answer all questions, or are there any left for the books to answer?"

It answers the questions you have, but it may raise a few new ones too.
The opening battle's in space only, not land.
"Have you filmed the Obi-wan/Anakin fight yet? I hear its really going to be something..."

Only pieces of it, not the main action yet.
"Will we see Kamino in Episode III?"

No.
"When will Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca) begin filming?"

March of next year.
"Can you tell us anything about the OT being released on DVD?"

It's gonna happen.
"Will there be an underwater battle in Episode III?"

Not battle, but a fight.
"Will we ever see clip(s) of Dooku using 2 lightsabers from Episode II? What are the chances of him using 2 in episode III?"

Only one in Episode III... but there is someone out there who has two... and he's bad.
"Will we see many Jedi die in Episode III, or just a notable few?"

Yes.
"How might this affect the rating of the movie?"

Too early to tell.
"Will we see a scene involving the naming of Darth Vader and why he is named that?"

Yes.
"Will there be a volcanic setting in Episode III?"

They've just put a muzzle on me.
"Will we see Mace Windu in any form of space action?"

That's an interesting way of putting it. Yes.
"Can you give us any hints on to who the EU character might be?"

Can't go there yet.
We need Joel (Uncle Owen) for a day's work, which will be done next year.
"Will we see Palpatine/Darth Sidious in any sort of 'action' or at least 'awesome display of dark side power' scene in Episode III?"

Yes, most definitely
Beru will appear.
"Will there be any dreadlocked Wookiees in Episode III?"

Only because of your screen name will I answer this. Yes.
"How do you think most fans will feel about Anakin's eventual downfall? Saddened, shocked, anrgy or betrayed? How did you feel upon reading the script?"

Yes. All of the above.
"In regards to Chewbacca's role in Episode III, will it be obvious that it's Chewie? And will his role add more depth to his character in the classic trilogy?"

Even though we haven't shot it yet, I think I can say yes
"Will David Prowse be back to play the Dark Lord?"

Absolutely not.
"The latest rumor is that the title of Episode III will be BIRTH OF AN EMPIRE. Are we close?"

Not even close.
"Does Jar Jar survive this film?"

Yes. His next job will be Bush's Foreign Minister.
"I really worded my last question badly. What I'm getting at is, ‘Is Palpatine Darth Sidious?’"

This movie answers that question conclusively.
"Will Kit Fisto use a double headed lightsaber in Episode III like he does in the clone wars sketches?"

No, he doesn't.
"Will there be any issues with the Sith statement, ‘Only two there are, master and apprentice’ in this film?"

The statement remains true.
"Is Padme a senator throughout the whole movie?"

Yes.
"Is Rose Byrne returning as Dorme in ep. 3? Thanks!"

Sadly no. She's working opposite Brad Pitt in TROY right now.
"Has Anakin's Turn to the dark side been shot yet? If so is it cool!"

It's a two-hour turn to the dark side.
"Does Boss Nass appear in Ep.III?"

No.
"How old are Luke & Leia at the end of Episode 3???"

Less than a month old.
"Do we see Padme pregnant in the film?"

Yes.
"Are any female jedi going to be seen fighting in Episode 3?"

Yes
"Will we see Yoda fighting again in EP3 or will it kinda happen off screen?"

Yes. Full on-screen.

Mr.Deflok

Possible Opening for EPISODE III, personally I think it sounds fucking cool.

SPOILER ALERT
"I have seen the official presentaion by LucasFilm for Episode III. Below is a summary of the first part. I will send more when I have a chance.

Title Crawl: The clone wars continue on and the war is being fought above Coursant. The separatist forces have captured Chancellor Palpatine. Two Jedis, Obi-Wan and Anakin have found out where Palpatine is being held and lead a Squad of clones to rescue the Chancellor...

A huge space battle is taking place above the planet of Couruscant.

Obi-Wan and Anakin are flying new Jedi Starfighters that have a strange similarity to TIE fighters in the original trilogy. It's a very exciting scene with lots of action. Obi-Wan and Anakin try to get a lock on Shaak Ti's tracking device (she was captured along with Palpatine) and find that she and Palpatine are in the most heavily guarded ship. Obi-Wan and Anakin call for backup from the Clone troopers just as 20 or so droid fighters leave the ship and attack.

The droid fighters look like smaller Imperial shuttles. The battle continues and one of the droid shuttles deploys a bunch of sphere shaped droids, about the size of basketballs. They attach to Obi-Wan's Starfighter and arms, legs and lasers pop out. They begin to attack the various components of his ship, much like the Sentinels did in the Matrix. One of the droids cuts the head off of the R4 droid in the starfighter.

Anakin flies in to save his master and best friend. He tells Obi-Wan to keep steady and he starts to shoot the droids off the ship. He hits Obi-Wan's starfighter a few times and decides to try a different method. He flies in close to Obi-Wan and brushes the droids off the ship with his wing. One of the droids hops onto Anakin's ship and tries to cut off R2-D2s head. R2 extends an arm and hits the droid with a blast of electricity knocking it off the ship.

One last droid is still on Obi-Wan's ship and does some major damage. The ejector seat doesn't function and he loses control. His plan is to crash land his ship in to the hanger of the large separatist ship where Palpatine is being held. However, a shield is up. Anakin must fly in and knock out the shield to allow Obi-Wan to land.

Just as the two Jedi's enter the ship, the steel hanger doors shut. Obi-Wan pulls out his lightsaber, cuts open the canopy of his starfighter and jumps out just as the ship crashes and bursts into flames. He does a flip in the air as he is surrounded by battle droids. Anakin, still in his ship, flies through the hanger and crashes into the droids once again saving Obi-Wan.

Anakin and Obi-Wan then run off following Shaak Ti's signal. Hayden Christensen has obviously bulked up since Episode II. He stands a few inches taller than Ewan McGregor, and has much broader shoulders. Christensen now has shoulder length hair and is wearing more black leather underneath his Jedi robe. McGregor's hair is cut close to his head and he has a full beard, reminiscent of Alec Guinness. In fact, his voice sounds strangely like Guinness' as well.

The two are encountered by battle droids and they fight their way through. When they find Shaak Ti, she is in a room filled with battle droids, General Grevious and his body guards. Grevious is mostly machine with only the brain and eyes of a human. His metal body looks similar to that of the TX endoskeleton in the new Terminator movie but he wears a cloak that covers most of him. On his belt he carries the lightsabers of the Jedi he has killed. His body guards carry electrified pikes that are impervious to lightsabers.

Grevious has Shaak Ti kneel in front of him and then executes her with her own lightsaber. Obi-Wan and Anakin rush in and fight with the battle droids as well as Grevious' guards. More and more battle droids show up and the Jedi's realize they are outmatched. To escape, they cut into the floor and fall into the engine room of the star ship.

All the while the battle continues to rage on out side and the starship has taken heavy damage. The engine room is starting to fill with liquid fuel. Covered with fuel and no longer able to use their lightsabers, they try to make their way out of the engine room. Battle droids have followed them down and are now chasing them as the room is quickly filling with fuel. Anakin and Obi-Wan struggle to find a way out but it seems that all the openings are far too small for a human to fit through.

Eventually they do find one and start climbing up the ladder inside the shaft. The battle droids are right on their heels and the fuel in the engine room is getting close to electrodes on the walls. The two Jedi climb out of the shaft and into a hallway as Anakin seals the hatch behind them with his lightsaber. The fuel reaches the electrodes in the engine room and explodes. The explosion rips the ship in half.

Quickly, Anakin and Obi-Wan make it to the bridge where they find Chancellor Palpatine and General Grevious. Anakin and Obi-Wan attack Grevious but he quickly knocks Obi-Wan out and fights alone with Anakin. Through the window of the bridge we can see that the ship is crashing into Coruscant.

Grevious sees this too and makes a daring escape. He smashes the glass and climbs out the window. Because he is mostly metal he can walk on walls, ceilings and the outside of starships. He runs along the outside of the ship, makes his way to an escape pod and gets away.

Back in the bridge Obi-Wan has woken up and he finds Anakin at the helm of the ship, trying to prevent it from crashing. As the ship enters Coruscant's atmosphere, the ship starts to burn up and debris starts to fly off. Just before they crash into the city below, Anakin is able to get the nose of the ship up and make a somewhat safe crash landing.
SPOILER END

LaZy

wow, that sounds badass.

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One question. In the OT, we are told that Luke and Leia were split up and hidden from Vader. That is all well and good. But why on Earth would they "hide" Luke in the former home of Vader's mom? Why would they name him Skywalker?

Mr.Deflok

The area in which the Lars live on Tatooine has traces of darkside aura from when Anakin slaughtered the Tusken Raiders, the darkside combined with Obi-Wan's efforts to cloud the force hide Luke from Vader. This goes for Yoda too, the darkside cave, as with the rest of Dagaboh are surrounded by the presence of the darkside which shrouds Yoda's presence.

Jim Kata

Is this a theory of yours or something official? Either way, it makes sense to me.

Mr.Deflok

I made it up the real reason behind it is that Lucas is making all this stuff up as he goes along.

Mr.Deflok

The new Jedi Starfighters look like this

Mr.Deflok

I'd post the actual photo of Anakin in his Episode III form but it'd be illegal for me to do so.


Also, Vader may look like this:


Though it is hard to say because parts of Vader's armour are supposed to be seen throughout the film on various characters.

Mr.Deflok

Plot summary for Episode III:

illesturban

wtf...

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/insidergg.jpg
(copy/paste into browser window)

that guy "General Grievous" looks stupid to me, I'm sorry. I really don't know much about the "star wars universe;" I just watch the movies so maybe I'm just not educated on this, but the fact that this guy is a machine takes away from the movie IMO. It just looks wack.


and here's a picture of what anakin will look like after his fight with obi wan... ***warning, might be considered a spoiler...***

http://theforce.net//episode3/newspi...n_uk_paper.jpg

FaderMonkey

Grr...

After Episodes 1 and 2 I've been saying that I probably won't even bother seeing Episode 3, unless everything I hear about it is great. Then of course I start reading spoilers and look at pictures like the one of Anakin that illesturban just posted and I start to get excited. Grr. Lucas is going to do it to me again, I can feel it. The closer we get to the release the more and more the movie is going to look kick ass, but then it's going to suck ass. The best thing about Episodes 1 and 2 were the trailers (especially the one for TPM). The trailers rocked! But, for me, the movies themselves were so disappointing.

Kostya

Unless the third film is two hours of George Lucas hitting himself in the face with a large hammer and apologising for the first two and promising not to fuck up Indiana Jones I'll be sorely disappointed...

Bonesaw

even if that isn't used in EP3 that's one hell of a bad ass photo

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irateplatypus

You've got to be freakin kidding me.

GENERAL GRIEVOUS?

I mean seriously, the thing reeks of anime plagiarism.
Nothing against anime, but the atmosphere and mood of the original star wars trilogy is nothing like it.

granted not much is known so far, but the name and illustration remind me of a great action figure playtoy... not a villian with charisma and depth.

lucas' star wars universe is his own. he has every right to create, destroy, and profit from whatever he dreams up. still, i can't help but think he would be disappointed with episodes 1 and 2 if he could somehow see them a day after releasing Empire Strikes Back. perhaps by choice (going after a more lucrative demographic), he is alienating at least one fan who used to love his work.

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