grendel

dude, have you ever been around a pregnant chick? all i'm saying is if she was somebody i wouldn't mess with before she was pregnant, i sure as hell wouldn't mess with her while she was with child.

but seriously... (gotta learn how to use that spoiler text. oh, well, it's in the title of the thread.)

my wife and i were talking about this today... padme was such a strong character through the first two movies that it's hard to believe that she would lose the will to live from being heartbroken over losing anakin. and even if she had, once she had delivered those babies, i would have thought that she would have found the will to live and the desire to keep her babies safe. oh, well, i guess lucas had to give a good reason for luke and leia to have been separated and spent their lives not knowing each other.

SecretMethod70

A fair point. The coughing is explainable...as for that though, I have no answer. But, come on, it's a space fantasy. Does it really matter?

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cyrnel

Those little intra-ship excursions and resulting damage on his organs may explain his coughing. Going from a pressurized ship to almost zero and back would play hell with the tissue and gas carrying fluids.

Do any SW books talk about his coughing? It was on the weird side.

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grendel

read this on another message board. personally, i haven't seen the clone wars cartoon, but it sounds reasonable...

Xiangsu

I know this may piss people off and they make think im crazy or something, but I loved this movie. I think it was quite possibly the best in the series. George Lucas made a couple of mistakes with the first two, but not enough to ruin them. The first two were still good movies IMHO. With the last movie he has completely redeemed himself and I can't wait to get the trilogy set for the first 3 movies.

Note: just my opinion, don't get upset

crossova

I have heard two people so far say this was the worst of the 6 movies. i disagree 200%, i think episode 1 takes that cake. episode 2 is very close, but if it werent for the ending clone wars battle scene then it would have sucked major Jedi ass cheeks.

I would have liked Episode 3 to have a little bit less CGI, Lucas sort of left his originals hanging especially since this is the link to the original set. i thought he should have relied more on puppetry/miniature models (like ep. 4,5,6) and not so much on the computer graphics.

Also, i thought Dooku could survive outside of the space craft because he is part robot.

Anomaly_

First, I have to say this was the best of the prequel trilogy. It did have major shortcomings, but I think the drama of actually seeing the story that we already know made it special.

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As for the negatives, at least George Lucas is consistent. He and his script writers must be so detached from reality at Skywalker Ranch. When Padme said "You're stressed out...", I was embarrased for Lucas. If the script weren't bad enough, we also get the greatest emerging thespian: Hayden Christiansen. He basically has one facial expression in both Episodes II and III and he couldn't deliver a line with sincerity to save his life. In turn, I think he brings down Natalie Portman and their chemistry; she is at least decent in most of her other movies. His bad acting even permeated through the Darth Vader suit in the Frankenstein sequence. Someone on Rotten Tomatoes actually had the temerity to say Christiansen was a better lead than Mark Hamill. Ha!

The parallel seen of Padme "losing the will to live" was also too lame--childbirth, especially with twins, can lead to plenty of real physiological complications. For a mother to die for this reason runs incredibly counter to the biological drive to nurture and protect children.

Nonetheless, I think the movie was salvaged by just about everything else. Ewan McGregor was the one saving grace in terms of acting. He was the only one to convey the tragedy of Anakin in an emotive way. I think Alec Guinness would have been pleased with the younger Obi-Wan in the final Star Wars film. Of course, the special effects were not disappointing. It seems Lucas may have been frustrated with illustrating the grandiosity of the galaxy and all its planets and races in the original trilogy. In Episode III, you get a better idea of what is all at stake if the Republic falls.

And a random question for the Star Wars experts:
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What is the control mechanism of the clones? After all, they are humans, so how is their loyalty decided? I somehow doubt Palpatine is Force-controlling them across the galaxy.

LoganSnake

This goes back to Episode 2 when the clones were introduced. What happened was before Episode 1 Senator Palpatine went on behalf of Jedi Master Syfo Dias and requested that a clone army be created. The problem? Syfo Dias had been killed. Palpatine had that army created to follow his every command. In Episode 1, he worked with the Trade Federation to help them occupy Naboo. He then helped Padme in overthrowing the Chancellor, therefore making him the chancellor. With the emergency power that the Senate granted him, he "approved" the creation of the clone army that he had started building several years before.

Episodes 1, 2, and 3 are basically about Palpatine's rise to power and how he manipulated everyone around him by leading a double life as both the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic and the Dark Lord of the Sith. He used that power to create the clone army that would work closely with the Jedi. Then when the time was right the clones would kill the Jedi across the galaxy. It's a truly remarkable plan.

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Xiangsu

I just recently watched all the prequels and im positive they never directly said that Palpatine was the one who had the clone army created, however I would agree it was implied. If there is a specific point where they said this, tell me.

LoganSnake

Yes, you are right. It is never directly stated that Palpatine was the one who had the army created. It was only implied. When Palpatine orders Order 66 you know he was the one who told the people to make the clones.

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Anomaly_

I'm aware of all that. My question concerns:
So were they genetically engineered to follow him specifically? They're still humans albeit clones.

SecretMethod70

The answer is yes. At the very least, they were genetically enginered to obey their commander unquestioningly. Their commander is the Chancellor. At the very most, they were specifically programmed to obey Darth Sideous. Either explanation works and is quite reasonable.

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Drider_it

you aint seen it dont read... you were warned .. but holy crap someone that has seen it back me up..

















at the end you see the emperor and darth standing on the flight deck.. as the emperor moves up or was it darth.. crap.. any ways.. there is this old english like officer standing on the shot on the left.. was that a peter cushing look a like.. ???!!!???? i was like woot but dont know


btw.. here is my take on a different view. my dad took me to see a new hope when i was a child, and it was opending day here in this small town i grew up in. years later, in the same theatre i have my son ... he is the same age i was and im in the movie place .. the same one although renavated and up to date.

i was like "my god i was here for the frist one now im back for the last one" how special that was for me. even had a dude a little older than me saying. "i remember you. you was the kid that was jumping up and down you were so excited about the movie back then."

one of those moments in life you never forget and they way it played out was just awesome that it happened.

btw my son is like 8 and he had no trouble understanding the movie and the plot. just depends on how you raise your kids. my son reads alot and understands more scifi and fantasy terms and ideas than other kids his age.. just as i was. its the imagination that holds the attention of a child in my family not flash and dash heh

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I went to see the movie last night and quite enjoyed it.

When General Grievous was speaking, who was picturing the mob guy Tony from the Simpsons. I wonder if it was the same guy voicing him.

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Derwood

Yep. Someone from central casting with serious prosthetics on.

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Derwood

Well, they are all clones of Jango Fett, who was loyal to Palpatine/Sideous. So it only stands to reason that the clones would as well.

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Drider_it

genetic programing, selective programing, brainwashing, and just the personality.

there were sleepers all of them. acting the part they were created to. then the moment came and pow.. the empire has its troops. least i got to see the force choke i so love.

also if you look into the liscensed work that lucas let out .. sith back ground are jedi and somewhat of dark magic like powers.

and you gotta remember the empereror was a master of cloneing himself. hehe plus the fact that his "master" could manuplate life itself.. who's to say there wasnt a sith factor involved in all this.

the fact that in 4,5, and 6 he's it the umtimate supreme power in the galaxy. with darthy as his enforcer ...

aslo with grevious. hes a hybird. and well he's more machine than creature in the movie.. so...

the tech taken to make him could have been outlawed everywhere in the known galaxy, his warrenty was up so to speak. plus all the jedi he fought "in his background story" yeah he'd be like that. also even before he jumped out into space to get away, we was a "sickly" critter to begin with.

i gotta say the death of dooku was a bit hasty. the look on his face when palp said kill him was worth all the time i waited heh.

also when he told vader that in his anger he killed paddy.. there you saw for the first time the power that was darth vader. as he stummbled out he was still getting used to all the tech that replaced his organics.

which comes to 4, 5, and 6 where you dont see the splash and dash of cgi "granted they didnt have it back then" of jumping and such. you can only do so much with the force. at that time vader didnt need to jump and roll around. he probally couldnt with his implants yet why would he have to when he could force choke you half way across the galaxy.

its the umtimate tradegy where you see the hope and glory of a group have to witness the fall of a great hero. and yeah heres my point on all this chosen one

a. he's the chosen one
b. his coming brings about balance to the force.
c. the force has a dark and a light side.
d. there is always on Dark Lord of the Sith and his apprentce.
e. there were thousands of jedi

if i was a jedi i would be like "wait he brings balance to the force..hmm check plz" and i would have gotten the hell outta dodge in epi 1.

but anakin brings balance to the force. in epi 6 he kills the emperor. also he has luke and leia.. balance

padame.. she dies said so in the original but not her name. she watches her "champion" fall, the one love that she ever had turn to evil. she knows about jedi and their ability to see the future. she feels a strange feeling at the core of her being. you can see this throughout the movie. also the greatness of the republic is crumbling. she is a big political figure in all this and to see her dreams and life work crumble. she has a strong pschy and character yet all this can wear one down.. and just how would you feel to learn that your love killed hundreds of jedi then have the same one turn on you though he was tricked and lied to yet nothing you can do to change it.

and above all else the evil taint of the sith was used on her. "woot force grip" how badly damaged was she physically and mentally. then child birth. ahh but i bet she wasnt really near her time with the twins .. they "had to take them" cuz she was dying.

all in all it will ..1,2, and 3 will never come to the joy and love i have for 4, 5,and 6 but they are of the same saga.. i feel selfish to tell the truth. in the fact that I.. I alone saw they originals not all these young kids or the parents that have to take and are forced to sit through these movies cuz they didnt care for them then or now.

younger kids now a days are spoiled in the fact that cgi is everywhere even weekly shows. to me they dont really care for a plot anymore just splash and dash.

the factors of the original that drew everyone to star wars
1. jedi
2. titanic space battles
3. did i mention the alure of the jedi?
4. it was different.. you had what star trek but that was weak but still i loved it. its the fact that omg not another western.. this is scifi hardcore my god ...

nuff said

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santafe5000

This may help with the historical part of the Sith's. This all gets to complex for me.

http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/sith.htm


Follow to the bottom of the page for the table of context for the series.

Myself, i liked the original Star Wars best. It's like, prequels are afterthought's trying to catch up with the original.

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Hardknock

THIS KICKED ASS!!

I just got back. I LOVED it. It provided so much clousure to the series. When I actually figured out that Anakin did it all for nothing that just blew me away. I think that was the saddest part of the film. He so much wanted to save the love of his life and he was doing it in the best way that he knew how but in the end he was lied to and manipulated so that Palpatine could use him and the worst part was that she died anyway. Tragic.

I missed the mllenium falcon though. I'll look for it again on the DVD's.

Don't stop now George Lucas! You're on a roll!

Stompy

Ok, yeah... I just realized the amount of continuity errors.

There are a LOT of them. Too many of them that it's kinda disturbing ... and the old trilogy really doesn't link to the new one AT ALL.

Two that I can think of right away are:

"Your father wanted you to have this light saber" Obi Wan says this to Luke. That never happened. If it did, it was offscreen.

"...seek Yoda, the Jedi master who trained me." Obi Wan says to Luke. Yoda didn't train him, that other guy did from EP 1. This is repeated often throughout ESB where Obi Wan refers to himself and his "training" with Yoda.

...so they pretty much created the new trilogy without even giving a single glance at what was said or done in the original? A lot of stuff DOES link up, but the more important stuff, the stuff you WILL see when you watch the original 3 after seeing the new trilogy, does NOT link up.. and it's quite disturbing.

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Oh also... maybe I Missed something, but what was the whole point of the battle on the Wookie planet?

Maybe I missed a bit of dialogue or something but it seems as if you could totally remove that entire scene from the movie and it wouldn't change a thing.

Why was there a battle on that planet and what significance do the wookies have?

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MikeyChalupa

Well, I wouldn't say AT ALL. Maybe not as strong as we'd like it to. But the links are definitely there.

True. A possible explanation could be that Obi-Wan would someday train Anakin's child (doesn't know it's a boy or girl, or twins yet) to defeat Palpatine and rebuild the Jedi Order. (He doesn't know Anakin survived the lava). Once he does discover that Vader is alive, he could have planned to train Luke to try to defeat him or bring him back from the Dark Side, which Anakin ultimately wanted ("I've got to save you." "You already have. You were right about me.") So by giving him the light saber, he sets that in motion. That's why something as simple as Obi-Wan picking up the light saber at the end of the duel in Ep. III is one of those things that DOES link the Trilogies. You know where that saber is going and what it's going to mean for the galaxy someday.

Again, yes. But remember that at the end of Ep. III Yoda is going to go teach Obi-Wan the "come back from the dead trick". So even though Obi-Wan was not Yoda's Padawan, he did still receive SOME training from Yoda.

So what Ben told Luke was true... from a certain point of view.

You have to remember that when Lucas filmed Ep. IV, he had no idea it was going to be the sensation it was, and that the other 2 (and later, 5) other episodes were ever going to be filmed. The movie was designed to stand alone if it had to, but then become part of a trilogy and eventually a six-part series. So any continuity errors that are specifically in ANH are due to that fact.

And as far as the Wookiee planet battle, in the ROTJ commentary, Lucas makes reference that the battle that eventually took place on Endor was, in the first draft of his saga, SUPPOSED to be on the Wookiee homeworld, but he eventually changed the Wookiees to Ewoks. The reason was that he wanted the technologically advanced, modern Empire to be ultimately defeated by the Rebels only with the help of a very primitive race of tree-dwelling beings. But when it was pointed out that the Wookiees are in space, and use technology like we've seen Chewie do, it wouldn't work. Plus the Ewoks make nice merchandise for the kiddies. So when it was time for the big battle in Ep. III, he wanted to go back to do that big Wookiee battle he had originally envisioned. Although you're right, there's no reason it HAS to be Kashyyyk, and the battle is never really resolved. Though we can guess that the Wookiees eventually lost.

Disturbing? They're MOVIES. I think you're being a bit harsh and overcritical. The three originals are the better stories, even though they aren't as flashy, well-produced, or have any better acting, but because WE grew up with them. So naturally we're going to look down on the new ones and try to find as many faults with them as possible. The faults are there, to be sure. But the new movies don't suck eggs like it seems to be "cool" to insist they do. There are plenty of people out there who just won't give them a fair shake because they aren't the originals.

I'm much happier with how many scenes in the new trilogy parallel scenes in the old. To me, those are the "links" I was looking for. The Dooku duel at the beginning is a major example of that. It's so very similar to the Luke/Vader duel in ROTJ but this time ends the way Palpatine intended, with the old apprentice being killed and replaced by the new one. It's what he's trying to do again but this time Luke doesn't give in and Vader ends up killing the Emperor. It's even more powerful after seeing ROTJ, because you realize that this time the Emperor got what he wanted. How is that not a link? How is that not giving a thought to the OT? Even the set was very similar.

That scene along with Dooku's scene with Obi-Wan in Ep. II are my two favorite scenes in the new Trilogy. Come to think of it, Dooku is my favorite prequel character. Not only is Christopher Lee one of the few who can actually act, but the character is very interesting. He's in on Palpatine's scheme, but not ALL the way in. He's merely holding Anakin's place as the Sith apprentice until Palpatine is ready to convert him. He is leading the Separatist Rebellion, even though he's REALLY just another pawn in Palpatine's plan to consolidate his rule as Emperor. He thinks the plan is to capture the Chancellor, then get captured by the Jedi himself, so they can pin the whole Separatist movement on General Grievous, then when the clones take him out and put down the Separatists he is there to help rule the galaxy. When he finds out too late what's really going on, the look on his face is priceless.

I really liked RoTS, and it's improving my view of the other two new movies. I think it is a fitting end to the saga.

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crossova

Piggybacking on M.Chalupa's post....

Well what was Obi Wan supposed to say, "Your dad tried to kill me but i cut his legs off and took this. Here maybe you will be able to put it to better use." Remember Luke doesn't know his dad from squat...so OB had to paint a pretty picture of his dad. Its like an orphan finding out their dad is Hitler, you just dont spring that on somebody.

*Actually Yoda did train Ob-Wan...he trained him how to commune with the Force and the living Force..Remember at the end Yoda said that Qui Gon had spoken to him from the "netherworld"...Qui Gon trained Yoda on how to do this and Yoda trained Old Ben Kenobi.

Stompy

About the battle on the wookie planet, what I meant was... where did that fit in in the story?

What exactly happened to cause there to be fighting on that planet? I know Mace Windu said something about "going to Kashyyk" and Yoda saying he has good relations with the wookies... but what in the story took place there?

Were they trying to wipe out the wookies for some reason orrr...?

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kutulu

The first is a minor detail, just like Obi told him that Vader killed Anakin. Obi knew that if he outlived Anakin then Anakin would have wanted Luke to have his saber and for Obi to train Luke.

Yoda did play a role in training all of the Jedi. There was a scene in one of the other movies that showed him training Younglings. Also, since he was the leader of the Jedi, he played a counselling role for all Jedi and provided some training throughout their lives.

Qui Jon's character probably wasn't written at the time of the OT and in the prequels it wouldn't make sense for Yoda, the leader of the Jedi, to be running around on missions training Obi Wan anyways. There was really no way to resolve that, and for the most part it's really isn't true to say that Yoda had no part in training Luke.

Rlyss

I've got a few questions I'm hoping people can answer.

When Anakin's got all his limbs cut off Obi Wan says 'You were the chosen one!' Is he the chosen one in the grand scheme of things, or just in this chapter of the eternal battle between the light and the dark sides of the Force?

I know the battle between the light and the dark has been going on for thousands of years (according to the How Stuff Works link someone else posted), and also that Yoda claims there are always two Sith, so when Anakin joins the Dark side he does indeed bring balance to the Force, as the prophesy said. So when Vader finally kills Palpatine and joins Obi Wan and the gang from beyond the grave, is that the end of the battle? Or are there two more Sith lords hanging out in the wings? Because wasn't Luke supposed to be Vader's apprentice, and thus join him on the dark side?

SecretMethod70

Well, I guess if you take the stories post-RotJ into account, Anakin is the Chosen One for this chapter of the battle. I suppose one could argue that he is the Chosen One in the grand scheme of things if you buy the argument that the Jedi Order needed reformation (which some argue Luke brought).

Anakin doesn't bring balance by joining the Sith. First, I think it is more accurate to understand "balance" as "order." Anakin was meant to bring "order" to the force, not "balance" as in a yin-yang kind of sense. Also, using the "2 Sith" analogy, Anakin CAUSED the imbalance by killing the Sith apprentice (Darth Tyranus). Since Anakin cannot be the Chosen One for an imbalance that doesn't exist until he causes it, that explanation cannot be true.

Darth Vader killing Darth Sidious restores order to the force by bringing the Jedi back to power over the Sith, but with a new understanding (Luke has been to the dark side, albeit temporarily in his battle with Darth Vader, and understands both sides of the force to a certain extent). As for more Sith Lords, well...apparently Darth Sidious knows how to clone himself and tries to come back a few times in different bodies, and Luke fights him off and a whole bunch of other stuff. (Luke also joins Darth Sidious for a short period of time as well.) So, the "balance" to the force isn't the destruction of the Sith, or the equal numbers of Sith and Jedi, but it is rather the more complete understanding among Jedi of the force. That's my take on it at least based on what I know of non-movie information.

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Ripsaw

Anakin is the prophecized 'Chosen One' whom the jedi believe will bring balance to the force. He brings balance by killing all of the light side jedi, save Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the few that were away on missions. I cannot find the actual text of the Prophecy, which leads me to believe that Lucas never wrote it. But as far as I know, there can be no end to the battle between the light and the dark.

I believe Sidious' intention was to have Luke kill his father, and take his place. No Sith ever believes that they are going to be killed and replaced. Maul didn't, Dooku didn't, and Anakin didn't. Up until the end, Anakin wanted to kill Sidious, and take Luke as his dark side apprentice.

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Stompy

He's the chosen one probably for the simple fact he ultimately kills Palpatine and then turns good again.

Vader ended all the BS, so.. he's the chosen one.. If he hadn't stepped in, Luke would've died and the empire would've went on, etc.

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SecretMethod70

Well, again, the Empire can't have anything to do with the prophecy. A Chosen One can't be chosen to fix something that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for him.

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mrklixx

The only two "continuity" problems I had with it were a)The people at the end of EpIII were not old enough to be the people in Ep IV, and b)Although they explained why 3PO didn't know that Vader was his creator, they did not explain how R2 lost his ability to fly. And before somebody says "R2 could always fly it was just off camera", then why the heck didn't he fly on Tatooine at the Sarlac pit instead of just rolling off and plummeting into the sand?

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kutulu

I see the R2 problem but how are the EPIII characters not old enough to be the people in EPIV? Obi is supposed to be in his mid 30's-40's and there is about 20 or so years in between III and IV. The only characters that cross over are Obi and Vader.

Cuatela

You forgot Yoda, Owen and Beru Lars, and Chewbacca. All of them were seen in Episode 3.

As for the R2D2 flight problem, all machines require maintenance. The flight ability could have been added by Aniken (since it was his droid for a while) and later removed (or allowed to fall out of repair since noone knew about it), or simply could have fallen out of repair (and was discontinued in later R2 units). It has been mentioned in several post-movie books that astromechs had maneuvering thrusters (but not flight boosters).

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mrklixx

To me obi looked to be about Ewan's real age (34), and Luke was supposed to be about 18 tops in EpIV, so that would make Obi around 52, wheras Obi in EpIV looked 65 easy. Beru and Owen were even worse as they both looked to be in their early 20's which would put them at late 30's insted of the mid 50's that they appeared in EpIV.

But that's OK, I go ahead and shoot for the Marvel No-Prize (God I'm old) and give the explination that because Tatooine is a harsh desert planet with two suns, it causes advanced skin aging due to the increased ultraviolet radiation.

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kutulu

I didn't mention Owen and Beru because they were on screen for all of 10 seconds. When it comes to ages, looks are decieving. Someone in their late 30's can easily look mid 20's. And really, isn't that trying a little hard to make a continuity problem?

There's no way anyone could notice anything about Yoda's and Chewie's ages.

Locke7

Just saw it yesterday, I was truly amazed. I couldn't sleep last night because I couldn't get it out of my head. Although I think that has some to do with the closure this movie provided, and my sadness when I realized it was actually "over." Well, about the quote...

I thought Yoda was talking about the prophecy earlier in the film. And how maybe it could have been translated wrong. He was having a conversation with Windu about Anakin... I can't remember how it went exactly, but remember back to Ep1, when Obi really pushes Anakin on the jedi council. They are reluctant, but finally let him in to train.. It was hard to understand, because it was in yoda-speak...

Mr.Deflok

The best way to explain the inconsistancies is that after the Empire destroyed the remaining Jedi the Empire destroyed all CG too.

Thus the dark times truly began.

sadistikdreams

I don't know if it's been asked already, but...
Spoiler: If the clones are designed to be less independant, or weak minded. When the clones turned on the jedi, couldn't the jedi have just waved their hand, and said "you are not going to kill me" and just prevent the whole extermination.

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They were taken by surprise, besides, not even Yoda could mind trick 10,000 troops at once.

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I was underwhelmed. I enjoyed the action, but the rest of the movie was just...bleh. Bottom line: Lucas can't write a script and he can't direct. He neither wrote nor directed ESB, he just wrote the story for it, and it's the best of them all. Padme and Anakin's interactions were painful. NO ONE talks like that. Ever. For any reason. Sure, they were better than Eps. I and II, but that's not really saying much. Christensen even managed to screw up being Vader in the damn suit. He didn't even have to do anything but look powerful and menacing! Instead, he looked like whiny Anakin Skywalker wearing a big black suit. The kid just doesn't have any presence.

The fight sequences were all very enjoyable, particularly the dual duels (heh) at the end. I also loved Obi Wan's speech to Anakin at the end as he lays "dying." Ewan McGregor's face, priceless.

Other than that, though, I just don't buy it. Anakin gets turned so easily. Palpatine doesn't even have to try. This is someone who was brought up from basically day one by the Jedi and he turns from it so very easily. Anakin's emotional and angsty and it doesn't make sense that the Jedi would've kept training him hoping he would change when he clearly had all of the wrong attributes needed to become a Jedi. Even so, he's spent his whole life hearing about why the Dark Side is bad and training (we can only assume honestly) to become a Jedi Master. I don't see any real justification for why he tosses all of that aside. Being scared for Padme is one thing, deciding that everything you've spent your whole life working for is a lie is quite another.

There's also some serious timing problems going on in this movie. The pacing is such that the action appears to happen over the course of a few days or, at most, weeks. This is a fast movie and the events which occur could happen over a very short period of time. However, you get the natural clock of Padme, who goes from not showing to full term in the course of the movie. I'm sorry, but while I can make the movie be nine months long, it works much better as a few weeks and is presented as if it is a few weeks.

Additionally, the people who carry over just aren't old enough in this movie to be set up for the next. Badass flying all over the place Yoda gets crippled and dies in twenty years. Give me a break. That's a damn fast decay for someone who is 900+ years old. Ewan McGregor does not become Alec Guinness in twenty years. Owen and Beru clearly aren't old enough.

And as a final gripe. What the hell was Lucas thinking when he decided the "She's lost the will to live" thing was a good idea? How Ewan McGregor didn't laugh hysterically when he heard that I will never know. I can only assume those parts were filmed separately so that he had no chance to respond. It's perfectly reasonable for someone carrying two full term children to have complications in childbirth that lead to death. That would've been fine. However, if "she's lost her will to live," she better put a fucking blaster to her head and pull the trigger. What they showed was incoherent and inane.

Better than I and II, a far cry from IV, V and VI.