04-03-2008, 02:58 PM | #201 (permalink) | |
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Really, who's being hurt by the phrase "i'd hit it" ? it's not intended for the would be "hittee" to hear anyway.* If you say that to her face, you're being too forward, you're going to make her uncomfortable, you're going to come across like a jackass, it's fine to be sexually attracted to another person, its fine to convey that to them, but I think people should make no mistake here and truly realize that women, are going to choose what they want, despite what you do/try/say/think/feel. They will make exceptions and accept flaws if they think you have something they want, be it a quality or value or just flat out attraction. So in truth, this thread is a giant "nice guys finish last" rant in disguise to me. *Much like my journal isn't for people I write about to read, or much like something you tell your buddies in confidence isn't to be shared, and really, I think "I'd hit it" is pretty much just a way of seeking validation of your attraction amongst your peers, kinda like a very brief way of saying "Wow I think she's attractive, you guys notice her?" yes, it's more crude than the phase I just wrote, it's very base and it's like "hey this was my initial reaction before i've had time to go find out if she has a personality. Attraction happens. deal. Last edited by Shauk; 04-03-2008 at 03:01 PM.. |
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As for the belief that this is a "nice guys rant" in disguise, you've got me in the wrong box. I'm anything but a nice guy. I just strongly believe in the idea that the words we use dramatically effects us, our surroundings, and eventually our world.
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04-03-2008, 03:10 PM | #203 (permalink) | |
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04-03-2008, 03:20 PM | #204 (permalink) | |
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Really comparing anywhere to iceland is a bit difficult. Iceland is for all intents one people, and my suburb has almost 2/3rds its population. If you include a neighboring one, we have a greater population, and a more diverse one.
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04-03-2008, 03:27 PM | #205 (permalink) | |
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Just what will it take for you to understand that "I'd hit it" is AT WORST kinda rude and a reflection of bad character? At best it's a friggin compliment. You're acting like it's the N word for women. It's not. It's more like calling a black man "articulate", actually, in that some might find it sorta offensive but many don't really care. |
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04-03-2008, 03:38 PM | #206 (permalink) | |
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I can honestly tell you that the majority of women do not shower out in the open in the locker room. The university gym's locker room here is half open, half closed off cubicles, and the open half rarely gets used. And the rinse-off shower required before getting in a pool does not require nudity. Nudity is actually quite hard to come by; Americans don't have the same sense of skinship that other cultures do. We see the body as something that needs to be covered. Even in the sauna, I've only ever seen one or two women besides myself naked. I joined another gym last year, and one of their selling points was the individual changing room/shower room/bathroom combinations instead of locker rooms. /threadjack
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04-03-2008, 03:43 PM | #207 (permalink) | ||||
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Those people have to grow up having feelings for people that society tells them is wrong to do so and get all mentally damaged over it, because people keep putting rules and rules and rules in place when they really aren't even in a position to be making said rules. They don't speak for everyone. if anything I just think we're supposed to be cool with going the other direction and being able to say "hey, this is where I stand sexually on this particular person" to a friend be it eloquent or crude, just at least be expressive and communicate. Quote:
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04-03-2008, 04:02 PM | #212 (permalink) |
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04-03-2008, 04:26 PM | #213 (permalink) | |
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'Look mommy boobies! Boobies! Boobies!' Ah thats my boy. But seriously don't give me this covered up non-sense. I could do without seeing another 14 year old girl 60lbs over weight showing her fat roll in a bare midriff shirt at the mall hanging around hot topic. I'll add spandex is NOT for everyone. No we are not a puritanical society, not in the least. I deal with kids pretty much every day of those ages, and I know what they wear/don't ware. Nothing says 'prude' like a shorts that say juicy with a thong at 12. We might be a degree short of Europeans but only a small degree, and the first nude beach I have been on was in the good old USA.
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04-03-2008, 04:34 PM | #214 (permalink) | |
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here's a curious sidebar to all this.
i was considering pasting the entire oed definition of the verb "to hit" but before i copied it, i looked at the etymology and now am confused. so there are 28 definitions of the verb, almost all of which have to do with delivering a blow, striking or a derivation of striking. but they all come from this root: Quote:
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04-03-2008, 05:15 PM | #215 (permalink) | |
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1. I have stated that these kinds of comments in a joking or ironic manner are completely acceptable to me, because using them in a joking or ironic manner is making a statement in a negative way about the use of them in a serious or habitual manner. In other words, if you are truly using these phrases in a joking or ironic manner you are acknowledging that the use of them is a joke - something to be made fun of. This is the context in which I consider the phrases to be casual. And this sort of use doesn't bother me, obviously, because I do think it is a joke...as in, deserving of mockery. 2. Now, I have also stated that I do support Jinn's assertion that the widespread usage of these terms could be symptomatic of the commonplace sexual objectification of women. And I think the guys here expressing their 100%, no-doubt-whatsoever convictions that the prevalence of sexualized images of women in the media have had no effect on their perspectives towards women and this issue (and women's perspectives about themselves and their role in society) are either in denial or afraid of losin' out on that good thing they got goin' on. Is being able to spout inane comments and see half-naked chicks rubbin' up on beer bottles during halftime on Sundays really worth dismissing outright the negative consequences that perhaps are being proliferated by these things? Wait, don't answer that. I look over this discussion and I see an attempt at dialogue by some people and an attempt to squelch the dialogue by others. And I'm really puzzled as to why it has engendered so much possessive obstinacy in some people. What exactly is being threatened by this discussion? I've seen far less visceral reactions to issues like torture and the death penalty than is being exhibited on this thread. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder exactly what is the nerve being hit here.
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04-03-2008, 05:40 PM | #216 (permalink) | |
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This is not to say you should; if you think something is rude, then to you, it's rude. But your comments border on male bashing or at the very least, projection of an incident or incidents onto specific members of society. Sexual objectivity is a fact of life, no matter how much we wish it'd go away. Everyone of us is guilty of it, whether in public of private. We don't wear sweats and dirty tshirts to turn on our men, we wear lingerie. We don't think dirty thoughts about the bald guy with the beer gut, we think them about the likes of a Brad Pitt(well, I don't, can't stand the guy, but as an analogy....). If someone doesn't have the manners to keep his "I'd hit that" to a whisper, you don't have to acknowlege it. On the other hand, Ratbastid's legendary drunken "I could SO do you" got him quite the lovely arrangement.... |
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Your concerns have been "addressed" just not in the manner you might have hoped for(more presumptions, but, hey...sue me ) Just seems that, with 6 pages of this, a lot more is being made of a simple phrase than is warranted. It is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. And to say that men are the ones who claim not to be affected by the sexualized view of women and not recognize that women too are affected is just as much a denial as you claim has been shown here. We do it to each other, we do it to ourselves. We show ourselves in a way to invite an "I'd hit that". It's when you* turn around and get indignant about the very thing you invited that you can expect not to have your views or comments taken seriously. This is not to say that anything more deviant than commentary should be expected, but let's not kid ourselves. That's a few more words than I planned on on this subject...... *you is collective and not meant as a personal finger pointing. |
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I think your perspective is just as skewed and overly defensive as several of the other people on this thread. There is hardly a consensus here against my point of view. And for the record, please show me examples of where I have stated how evil this is and how deeply insulted I am. What I see, especially after going back and looking at the responses to my initial posts, is a grossly over-defensive reaction to my point of view. Quote:
But, you know, you did answer one question for me. In that, if a woman acknowledges her own sexuality in a public way then she has forfeited the right to defend herself from exploitation. Good to know. Then all this high-handed talk around here about it being safe to explore one's sexuality and refraining from making cheap or insulting comments is just a load of bullshit to make women feel more comfortable about posting naked pictures of themselves. I can't believe I have found a use for the word 'hornswoggled' twice in one day. Guess it's just one of them days, lol. Quote:
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04-03-2008, 07:44 PM | #221 (permalink) | |
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04-03-2008, 07:47 PM | #222 (permalink) | |
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Seems clear to me, Ustwo. Below is an example of this line of thinking:
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04-03-2008, 07:59 PM | #223 (permalink) |
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04-03-2008, 08:04 PM | #224 (permalink) | |
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This upsets and confuses me. But still with this new information at my disposal, and powerclown I really wish you would have told me this sooner, it still answers nothing about said exploitation. Where is the exploitation that apparently ngdawg/powerclown has said they have a forfeited their rights too? I can only conclude that being objectified means you are exploited. Is this the intent or is there some other exploitation I'm missing.
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04-03-2008, 08:37 PM | #225 (permalink) | |
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Not to mention that the crux of this issue is not with women posting pictures of themselves on the internet, but simply walking out of their door on any particular day where they will encounter people who have no idea what they're doing on the internet.
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04-03-2008, 08:46 PM | #226 (permalink) |
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All I'm getting from this thread after the 4th page is:
Uh-huh Nuh-uh Uh-huh Nuh-uh Throw in the occasional one-liner and thinly-veiled baiting and I'm beginning to wonder why this thread remains open.
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04-03-2008, 09:00 PM | #227 (permalink) |
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Oh, and just to clarify, I've never had what I would consider to be sexually offensive comments made about me here at TFP. Because here, we've decided that there should be, uh, rules about appropriate responses to female members and their posting of personal information and photographs. But if that is only a courtesy being made to make women feel at ease, then it's really just a meaningless bit of protocol meant to give women a false sense of security when participating in these more vulnerable ways. Because I highly doubt most women who post here, would post without them. And maybe that's okay for some women, but it kind of deflates the concept of 'evolution' for me and turns it into a sort of internet variation on 'of course, I'll still respect you in the morning.'
I do expect more, goddamnit, and not because of some unattainable sense of propriety, but because I already know it exists.
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04-03-2008, 09:00 PM | #228 (permalink) |
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This thread.
We choose to participate in it. We are judged by what we post in it. the judgements may not be welcome, however, on the other hand, some are acceptable. for example, some people may agree with me and consider my reasoning sound, some people my disagree with me, and consider me a fool. Either way, it's MY choice to participate in this thread. I'm not being exploited because someone is going "whoo hoo! a fool!" I LIKE participating in threads, I don't HAVE to. I'm well aware of the risks of doing so, but I don't feel exploited despite the couple fo recent judgements passed on the thread. There is a market for this forum, hence, it has members, it has partipants, it has lurkers. everything i said above applies to women and the sex industry. Sex appeal is a tangible sellable product, just because some people have an issue with it and want this to go away, and call it exploitation, objectification, or whatever buzzword, it's part of society, it's an acceptable part of society, it's legal, it makes billions, and as long as there are hormones, there will be sex, and as long as there is sex, and more demand than there is supply, it will be marketed and sold and women will make money off the men who want it because THEY CAN, they're in an optimal position to do so. I dont understand why women who use their bodies are looked down upon? is the brain also not a part of the body? why does it matter which part you use? not everyone is the same, some people play the hand they were dealt, and some people were dealt a better hand of hearts than spades. *shrug* Last edited by Shauk; 04-03-2008 at 09:03 PM.. |
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04-03-2008, 09:09 PM | #231 (permalink) |
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and another thing, maybe i'm just weird, or maybe girls are just too used to their whole "pick and fuck" ability/power over men. But if I post pictures, if any man posts pictures of himself, I don't think a single one of us would blink an eye in frustration if a girl says something like "i'd hit it" straight to our face or in a post. I consider it flattery, I take it as a compliment, I daresay, I think it's kinda COOL.
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04-03-2008, 10:59 PM | #233 (permalink) |
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I think the only thing that would make me want to listen to The Offspring is, perhaps, Nickelback. And luckily, thanks to my highly successful five-step Nickelback avoidance system, this never has to happen.
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FUN FACT - Dexter Holland is, by all accounts, a very smart man. He has a master's in molecular biology, and the only reason it isn't a PhD is because the Offspring took off before he could finish his studies.
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04-04-2008, 12:25 AM | #235 (permalink) |
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Well, truthfully, I'm only familiar with a couple of their songs, but that genre really isn't my bag.
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Ađ hitta = to meet (meet up with someone), though as far as I know, it's not related to the word for fuck (which is ađ ríđa, or "to ride"). So in Iceland, presumably going back to the settlement of Norwegian Vikings here in 874, the usually pick-up line is "You want to ride?" (as in, ride a horse)--and yes, that is actually how people ask someone to come home with them from the bars. There is no such thing as dating in Iceland. (Just woke up; thought I'd contribute some lighter fare.)
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You took it a step beyond though using the concept of exploitation, and I agree with ngdawg on this. IF you project your own sexuality you shouldn't be offended when thats picked up on. To use TFP for example even though it really doesn't matter what the example is, if you post pictures of your vagina spread eagle and then get upset if someone says 'I'd hit it' you are being unrealistic and naive. You are not being exploited because someone thinks you are fuckable. So I need to ask again, what is this exploitation that has you so upset? If its just that someone might say they would like to have sex with you when you are acting in a sexual way, I can't agree thats even wrong or close to exploitation. No one is defending someone just walking up to some random female and saying 'Oh I'd hit that, ya hey der mamma', but thats something completely different from the OP or even the concept of language such as this in the male vernacular.
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04-04-2008, 08:12 AM | #240 (permalink) |
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to back what mm said:
just read through the responses to this thread from the shocked and outraged gentlemen who cannot imagine why this particular phrase or phrases like them could possibly be at the least strange and at most problematic--how these responses are constructed such that ANY question about either the existence and actions of some inward fuckwit fratboy persona that enables/justifies/directs sexual desire is a threat to ALL forms of personae and ALL forms of male sexuality---how questions about the "right to be immature and stupid" gets asserted as an enormous non-sequitor than then nags about over and over in the bizarre little tunnel that is this thread----it is among the most proactively defensive threads i remember having seen on tfp. and it's done without the SLIGHTEST trace of self-consciousness. in fact, much of this seems to be a long series of arguments AGAINST self-consciousness. as if sexuality is a space of immediacy and introducing self-consciousness into it fucks everything up. where does this come from? anyway defensiveness on this scale is a pretty clear indication that some nerve has been struck, and it seems to have to do with some commonalities in this community over the construction of masculinity and sexuality that is inhabited/invested in/lived through. but it's not obvious *what exactly* has tripped all this...but it is obvious that something strange is going on here. read the thread--take a break from busily defending your inner frat boy or from collapsing the particular into the universal or whatever other logical mistake you find yourself indulging in order to swat away whatever it is about this that has your panties in a twist---and read the thread. it is a peculiar collective psychological document.
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