Quote:
|
Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I think a big problem with this discussion is that people are talking around each other. So let me clarify two things:
1. I have stated that these kinds of comments in a joking or ironic manner are completely acceptable to me, because using them in a joking or ironic manner is making a statement in a negative way about the use of them in a serious or habitual manner. In other words, if you are truly using these phrases in a joking or ironic manner you are acknowledging that the use of them is a joke - something to be made fun of. This is the context in which I consider the phrases to be casual. And this sort of use doesn't bother me, obviously, because I do think it is a joke...as in, deserving of mockery.
2. Now, I have also stated that I do support Jinn's assertion that the widespread usage of these terms could be symptomatic of the commonplace sexual objectification of women. And I think the guys here expressing their 100%, no-doubt-whatsoever convictions that the prevalence of sexualized images of women in the media have had no effect on their perspectives towards women and this issue (and women's perspectives about themselves and their role in society) are either in denial or afraid of losin' out on that good thing they got goin' on. Is being able to spout inane comments and see half-naked chicks rubbin' up on beer bottles during halftime on Sundays really worth dismissing outright the negative consequences that perhaps are being proliferated by these things? Wait, don't answer that. 
I look over this discussion and I see an attempt at dialogue by some people and an attempt to squelch the dialogue by others. And I'm really puzzled as to why it has engendered so much possessive obstinacy in some people. What exactly is being threatened by this discussion? I've seen far less visceral reactions to issues like torture and the death penalty than is being exhibited on this thread. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder exactly what is the nerve being hit here. |
I might ask the same thing. You're taking this way too personally. Given what you've dealt with in the past, at least what you've shared, I think there's an issue of sensitivity that transcends a mere not liking the phrase.
This is not to say you should; if you think something is rude, then to you, it's rude. But your comments border on male bashing or at the very least, projection of an incident or incidents onto specific members of society.
Sexual objectivity is a fact of life, no matter how much we wish it'd go away. Everyone of us is guilty of it, whether in public of private. We don't wear sweats and dirty tshirts to turn on our men, we wear lingerie. We don't think dirty thoughts about the bald guy with the beer gut, we think them about the likes of a Brad Pitt(well, I don't, can't stand the guy, but as an analogy....).
If someone doesn't have the manners to keep his "I'd hit that" to a whisper, you don't have to acknowlege it. On the other hand, Ratbastid's legendary drunken "I could SO do you" got him quite the lovely arrangement....