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Originally Posted by ngdawg
Didn't mean it to be...but yea, it presumes because of what's been said, not that it may have been different in some time frame before. I mean, of all things to be so "insulted" or adamant about, this is what's so evil?? A crude comment or two?
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Well, to presume that my opinions are being skewed by my experience you would have to, by necessity, assume that I was different before it happened. I have lots of strong opinions about a lot of things, doesn't mean they're all floating around out there on the vagaries of my own personal experience.
I think your perspective is just as skewed and overly defensive as several of the other people on this thread. There is hardly a consensus here
against my point of view. And for the record, please show me examples of where I have stated how evil this is and how deeply insulted I am. What I see, especially after going back and looking at the responses to my initial posts, is a grossly over-defensive reaction to my point of view.
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I think the comments were made about not knowing how some guys' minds are, not about how people are.
Your concerns have been "addressed" just not in the manner you might have hoped for(more presumptions, but, hey...sue me  )
Just seems that, with 6 pages of this, a lot more is being made of a simple phrase than is warranted. It is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.
And to say that men are the ones who claim not to be affected by the sexualized view of women and not recognize that women too are affected is just as much a denial as you claim has been shown here.
We do it to each other, we do it to ourselves. We show ourselves in a way to invite an "I'd hit that". It's when you* turn around and get indignant about the very thing you invited that you can expect not to have your views or comments taken seriously. This is not to say that anything more deviant than commentary should be expected, but let's not kid ourselves.
That's a few more words than I planned on on this subject......
*you is collective and not meant as a personal finger pointing.
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Again, instead of actually addressing my comments (and no they haven't been addressed directly, frankly, respectfully and honestly) you want to make a case about how I just don't understand. I sense in this reply something a little more than simple disagreement and more like a beef, so I'm gonna leave it at that.
But, you know, you did answer one question for me. In that, if a woman acknowledges her own sexuality in a public way then she has forfeited the right to defend herself from exploitation. Good to know. Then all this high-handed talk around here about it being safe to explore one's sexuality and refraining from making cheap or insulting comments is just a load of bullshit to make women feel more comfortable about posting naked pictures of themselves. I can't believe I have found a use for the word 'hornswoggled' twice in one day. Guess it's just one of them days, lol.
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Originally Posted by ngdawg
This is not to say that anything more deviant than commentary should be expected, but let's not kid ourselves.
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All I can say to this, is that it's too bad that your personal experiences have left you with this rather bleak outlook on men.
