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Originally Posted by willravel
And YOU have made the mistake of ASSUMING that because something is sexual in nature it's inherently HORRIBLE and DEEPLY oFfEnSiVe. NG and Shani, people who are much more woman than you'll ever be, have said it doesn't bother them at all, and MM and Abaya have each said that it's not a big deal.
Just what will it take for you to understand that "I'd hit it" is AT WORST kinda rude and a reflection of bad character? At best it's a friggin compliment. You're acting like it's the N word for women. It's not. It's more like calling a black man "articulate", actually, in that some might find it sorta offensive but many don't really care.
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I think a big problem with this discussion is that people are talking around each other. So let me clarify two things:
1. I have stated that these kinds of comments in a joking or ironic manner are completely acceptable to me, because using them in a joking or ironic manner is making a statement
in a negative way about the use of them in a serious or habitual manner. In other words, if you are truly using these phrases in a joking or ironic manner you are acknowledging that the use of them
is a joke - something to be made fun of. This is the context in which I consider the phrases to be
casual. And this sort of use doesn't bother me, obviously, because I do think it is a joke...as in, deserving of mockery.
2. Now, I have also stated that I do support Jinn's assertion that the widespread usage of these terms could be symptomatic of the commonplace sexual objectification of women. And I think the guys here expressing their 100%, no-doubt-whatsoever convictions that the prevalence of sexualized images of women in the media have had no effect on their perspectives towards women and this issue (and women's perspectives about themselves and their role in society) are either in denial or afraid of
losin' out on that good thing they got goin' on. Is being able to spout inane comments and see half-naked chicks rubbin' up on beer bottles during halftime on Sundays really worth dismissing outright the negative consequences that perhaps are being proliferated by these things? Wait, don't answer that.
I look over this discussion and I see an attempt at dialogue by some people and an attempt to squelch the dialogue by others. And I'm really puzzled as to why it has engendered so much possessive obstinacy in some people. What exactly is being threatened by this discussion? I've seen far less visceral reactions to issues like torture and the death penalty than is being exhibited on this thread. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder exactly what is the nerve being hit here.