The World of Warcraft Thread

[CityOfAngels]

Originally Posted by Lasereth

There's a few TFP'ers on Bleeding Hollow still. Probably 4 or 5 from this thread still playing.

Roll call!

[Halx]

We're starting on Razorgore tomorrow (tonight) so I'll let you know how our first night of attempts go. I'm confident that everyone knows what they need to do. Let's see how execution goes!

In other news.. tonight we finally completed our first Thekal/Arlokk fist weapon set. The set is best served on a warrior, however a rogue was the beneficiary.. just for the hell of it. I mean, who plays a fury warrior? Let's see.. the proc is fun, but sooooo rare. It took about 3 or 4 min to get this thing to go off. +300 attack power, and you turn into Tony the Tiger. The offhand is great, but the mainhand is 2.20 attack speed. Le suck for a rogue. You can tell by the damage meters on my SS that it sucks 'cause the rogue in question is usually #1 hands down.

[Cynthetiq]

Nice to see you had one of my guildies Tanthus (nice aussie man) playing with you... I'm gonna have to send him this pic!

[Halx]

Actually Tanthus was just in the area while we were doing that demonstration. However, I did used to hang with a couple of your guildies.

To answer the question about SCT - the reason why I have it required is because it's a general tool for being able to stay alive longer. If you can see that you're taking damage on your screen, you can take action. Also, it lets you know if you're afflicted with something.. say... Living Bomb or Burning Adrenaline... as well, it lets you know if you're within the area of effect of a targeted AoE spell (for instance Gehennas' Rain of Fire... or some mage's Blizzard) and thus can promptly get your ass out of town.

I put the responsibility on everyone to stay alive... that is, of course, unless you're a tank, then you are solely dependant on heals. Otherwise, if you're DPS and you expect to be healed while you're happily jabbing away through aoe, cleave, and all that other stuff.. well.. it just doesn't work that way.

[Frosstbyte]

And that, in fact, is why I use it, too. The number of times it's saved me from taking more than once pulse of damage when I'm just BARELY inside a rain of fire from Gehennas or the BWL warlocks is already too high to count.

Good luck on Razor!

[Halx]

Razorgore down on second attempt.

We are fuckin' good.

[Frosstbyte]

Nice! Welcome to the horrors of Vael! Though...it sounds like your guild might be disciplined enough to handle him well, since it's mostly a discipline fight. Good luck!

Oh, just in case you didn't know, there are some goblin technicians in Vael's room who try to flee when you first come into the room and Nefarian does his mojo on Vael to make him 3v1l. They can drop elementium ore, so you don't want them to escape. Have everyone-druids and rogues using sprint, especially-charge in and do damage to the goblins so you kill them and get a shot at some ore. They do NOT respawn after any sort of reset other than a new raidlock, so if you miss them, they're gone for that week.

[Halx]

I gotta do some major scheming to get past Vael. Our raid is still very undergeared. It seems like our healers are getting all the loot. We've had one CHT drop.. and that's it. We can get past any fight that has more to do with skill than gear, but the 3min buff on Vael means we may have to screw around with even more consumables. To give you an idea of how undergeared we are... Today we killed rag for the first time without using the Onyxia buff. It was week 3 all over again.. killing him after enduring a second round of sons.

oi.

[Frosstbyte]

Every guild I've been in just calls a wipe (for good reason) if he's not dead by the second submerge, since everyone's dead and no one can organize the second sons. I'm in lazy guilds.

That being said, you might hold off on Vael until you're a bit more confident you're ready for him. He's an immensely frustrating (and expensive) boss to wipe on, so if you don't think you have the FR or the DPS to take him down yet, I'd power through MC and ZG and Thorium Brotherhood rep for a while first to make sure everyone has proper gear, since it's not going to get any easier later in the instance.

[Jadedfox]

Having farmed BWL since October, I honestly think Vael is the most difficult fight in the whole instance. It has some odd randomness to it.

--jaded

[P-Naughty]

Originally Posted by Jadedfox

Having farmed BWL since October, I honestly think Vael is the most difficult fight in the whole instance. It has some odd randomness to it.

--jaded

Agreed. After you get Vael and Razorgore down, the rest of the bosses are rather easy to push through. In all honesty, the thing that gets my guild the most wipes is bad pulling. Those "trash mob" fatties in there hit hard. Somehow we had an AoE glitch and pull half the trash from the platform below the one you fight Broodlord on. We had 15 or so engineers, 8 demons, 6 of the Broodlord lookalikes, and alot of the bloodelves and locks. And well... it reminded me of our first Vael attempt after we downed Razorgore.. in that we wiped in less than 5 seconds.

On a side note, does anyone else find it hard to play once you get a decently (5/8 tier 1, tier 2 pants, CHT/Bonescraper combo with 15 agil. on both, and quickstrike ring on my rogue) geared 60? It's nice and all, but I have to double up my work load here at college for a day to make raiding time. My PvP rank plummets a little more each week since I don't get any CP period. It has become more work than fun, and I just don't have the time.

[Crack]

Originally Posted by Halx

I gotta do some major scheming to get past Vael. Our raid is still very undergeared. It seems like our healers are getting all the loot. We've had one CHT drop.. and that's it. We can get past any fight that has more to do with skill than gear, but the 3min buff on Vael means we may have to screw around with even more consumables. To give you an idea of how undergeared we are... Today we killed rag for the first time without using the Onyxia buff. It was week 3 all over again.. killing him after enduring a second round of sons.

oi.

Wait, you use the onyxia buff? Why? I understand that it will help with the DPS and such, but with the right combo of classes and the right timing/player placement, DPS on rag should never be an issue, he will NEVER aggro range classes, and rogues/ random warriors should never pull aggro off of the main tank. Fire resist on the other hand is rough sometimes...
Do you use the LBRS buff too? I can honestly say that Rag is actually an easy fight once you get it down, my Guild on Bleeding Hollow (alliance) actually did him with 29 people, and 3 priests and 2 druids (Pally healing ftw) and the night before we did onyxia with 23 people and no dwarf priests! It's really all all about placement and the right combo of players and DPS that knows what they are doing.
I have killed rag upwards of 20+ times now, and the last time I did over 100,000 damage during the entire fight (including sons) which is huge for a moderately geared mage without either uber trinkets. And I was only 5-6 on the damage list, behind 2 rogues, and 2 locks, and another dual trinketed mage!

[KWSN]

My guild is on Firemaw, any particular strats that might help? The way we do it now is SO dependent on tank timing during the wing buffets that everything can go to shit if a single person messes up at any given percentage (our best attempt so far was 5%). Everyone tends to say this fight is pretty easy but to be honest we have a much easier time with Vael :-/

[Frosstbyte]

Unfortunately, with the drakes, you really have no option other than for your offtanks to be on the ball during the fights and to make sure the wing buffet stays off the MT. Ebonroc, in that regard, is even worse, since you have to worry about wing buffet and the shadow of ebonroc debuff. Obviously, CTraidassist makes doing this quite a bit easier. If you'd rather write your own timer mods or use a stopwatch, that's your deal, too, but there's no way to avoid the fact that you cannot beat the drakes if your MT keeps getting hit with wing buffet.

The upside is that once your tanks figure out the pattern, your guild shouldn't have any problems with any of the drakes and you'll see them as loot vending machines. Until they do "get it," however, there's not much anyone else in the guild can do to help you succeed. You might look at the website Hal linked with BWL strats a little while ago to make sure you have proper placement and exact strategy, though if you can get him to 5% you can get him to 0%.

[echoibm]

wow... i haven't been to TFP in a while, but i did start playing WoW about a month ago... it's a nice surprise to see so many of you guys playing. i'm on thunderlord, lvl 34 orc shaman. i have some friends who are apart of dead sexy...

glad to know that this community is apart of wow also.

[Lasereth]

We killed Razorgore last night after about 7 wipes. When we did kill him, it was easy as hell. Razorgore himself was a breeze...it was getting past phase 1 that sucked.

Then we tried Vael for shits and giggles. Here's a re-enactment:

"Alright, here we go!! Vael time! 3 sunders guys, full DPS!!"

I Mortal Striked him once, then all 6 warriors died in under 5 seconds. The entire 40-man raid was dead in 15 seconds.

I've never laughed so hard at being owned that bad in my entire WoW playtime. There was constant laughter on TS for a solid minute. We got completely bitch slapped.

[Frosstbyte]

That sounds familiar. Good times, good times.

[Halx]

In all my experience, Ragnaros is a pure DPS/gear fight. It's simple - if you have the gear and the DPS, his health goes down fast and you win. If you don't, then you lose. We only have a few purples distributed throughout our damage classes, and thus our overall DPS is relatively low. That's wonderful that someone has somehow managed to kill him with 29 moderately geared people... everyone must really know how to get the absolute most out of their class... however, my guild is still pretty fuckin' good (read up.. razorgore down.. 2nd attempt) and we have DPS problems on Rag. We're a laid back guild and I don't require much individually of my members, so what? Is anyone gonna say we suck? I didn't think so.

Anyways, we'll be attempting Vael until we get the strategy down. At which point, I will do what I did for Rag... CALL IN THE BUFFS.

[Lasereth]

Yeah, Rag is 25% coordination and 75% beating the fuck out of him with good gear. Our guild was having problems with coordination, but once we got that 25% part down, we annihilated him (our first kill was 30% before sons). We have 3-4 rogues come to Rag, with all 4 mainhanding Perdition's/Brutality Blade and a majority of them with an epic offhand as well. ALL of our warriors have epic 2-handers. It's simply a pure DPS fight. That's why I'm hoping Vael doesn't become too much of a problem.

[Frosstbyte]

Trying to under-man encounters I guess wold be a fun thing to be trying now that I'm getting pretty geared up, but my guild is simply way too large for it to be really feasible. We have 65-ish people on during BWL and MC clears these days and not enough geared people around to be able to run two groups simultaneously. If they took down rag with 25-30 people, there'd be a lot of people upset about missing out on a shot at that loot, even if the feat itself were impressive.

I'm not such a fan of how big my guild is, actually. We have close to 100 active 60s and another 150 alts and below 60-mains. The guild situation on Shattered Hand is just too established for me to have much lateral movement opportunity to a smaller guild. I wish I had time to undertake Hal's endeavor and get my friends organized into a guild of about 55-60 people total to burn through stuff.

[BigGov]

At least you people have reached the end-game content, I still haven't faced more than trash mobs in MC...

I've done a few bosses in ZG, but a 20 person instance isn't the same. I've seen a mage soloing trash mobs.

The only guilds that can consistantly take down high end bosses aren't recruiting, the majority of other level 60 guilds are awful, yet I don't wanna leave because I know so many people on the server.

I hate you WoW...

[Xiomar]

I think its time to change servers. Mine is dead

[dabossy2k]

Xiamar your from the bay area huh where abouts if your thinkin bout switchin servers man I am looking for something new to my server isnt dead but way to hard to get into some of the guilds that do anything

[Halx]

Roll alliance priests on Silvermoon

[dabossy2k]

Lol Hal man I went though the silvermoon thing and I might do it again cause I just got my second box up and running to I can 2 box a priest with something else. But we'll see what happens.

[CityOfAngels]

When I first started playing this game, I was enthralled. Now, only about a week or so later, I tire of it. I tire of it not because of the game itself; but rather the new bouts of lag I've been forced to succumb to. Once I got my video card issue fixed, the game ran smooth as a baby's bottom. But now for some reason, I can only hope to not get serious lag late at night or early in the morning.

That means if I want to participate in the battlegrounds, I get hour-long queue times. That means that when I throw my auction items up for sale, it's during a time when there aren't as many people playing. That means that the people I used to team up with to complete missions are asleep, and unless I find others, I find myself grinding for experience so I can level up high enough to complete all my quests solo.

Yeah, I'm complaining. Yeah I know it's annoying and that people with computers that cost them multi-thousands of dollars don't expect any lag except database lag. But the fact remains that my computer handled the game perfectly long enough for me to get hooked to this game and fall in love with its immersion. Now the lag only pisses me off every time I play, as I can't walk two steps in Ironforge without being sent into an involuntary 180; as I attack a defias trapper, only for the game to freeze and finally refresh when the entire gang of defias is in the process of jumping me, leaving me with only enough HP to run for a few seconds as they hack my toon to death.

But this saddens me, because I truly do love this game. Many of you know I went through semi-great lengths just to get it to work properly on my computer. But now I find myself wanting to log on, but not, because I know it will only piss me off when I go to talk to an NPC and then it disconnects me.

Blizzard...what have you done to me?

[Sage]

Man, like....

My video card is not even on the market anymore and I don't get lag hardly EVER.... and my computer didn't cost a ton of money....

I am confused by all the people who complain about lag....

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by BigGov

At least you people have reached the end-game content, I still haven't faced more than trash mobs in MC...

I've done a few bosses in ZG, but a 20 person instance isn't the same. I've seen a mage soloing trash mobs.

The only guilds that can consistantly take down high end bosses aren't recruiting, the majority of other level 60 guilds are awful, yet I don't wanna leave because I know so many people on the server.

I hate you WoW...

Thats why i joined up with a giuild that is in the middle of getting a endgame guild built, like we are going tp run MC for the first time saturday, with one of are allaince guilds (we got 3 other friendly guilds, thats the key)

[CityOfAngels]

Originally Posted by Sage

Man, like....

My video card is not even on the market anymore and I don't get lag hardly EVER.... and my computer didn't cost a ton of money....

I am confused by all the people who complain about lag....

Your server must be steadily populated, or as Blizzard would probably say: "Underpopulated."

[Scorps]

Originally Posted by CityOfAngels

Your server must be steadily populated, or as Blizzard would probably say: "Underpopulated."

Windrunner used to be ok Lag but last night was weird super heavy lag and there was hardly anyone online, the server must have needed a reboot!

[portwineboy]

On Moonrunner I've been seeing a lot of database lag lately. Sometimes a large raid will cause actual frame rate lag but usually it's database...you can't loot, tradeskill, buy/sell...it's been horrid. The server population is pretty high but they haven't closed it. I really think Bliz should lower whatever numbers they "think" they can handle...

[Xiomar]

Originally Posted by dabossy2k

Xiamar your from the bay area huh where abouts if your thinkin bout switchin servers man I am looking for something new to my server isnt dead but way to hard to get into some of the guilds that do anything

Well, I have friends on various servers. Thinkin bout one to go too. What one are you on? It might sway my choice

EDIT: And I reside in Dublin, ATM

[ObieX]

I've never really had much of a problem with lag on whisperwind as far as combat or movement is concerned. The mail can somtimes take a while to get into my inventory.. but other than that we're runnin rather smooth at all times (even when full)

[KWSN]

Since I last bitched about Firemaw, we've cleared the drakes. Ebonroc and Flamegor died tonight. Chromaggus.... is going to be interesting. We've got green/red affliction and the best guild on the server (Shadows of the Horde) who have had EVERYTHING on farm status for months wiped with this combo last week. Soooooo yeah. Good learning experience I guess.

[Xiomar]

Basically, what it has come down to is that I have reached lvl 57, NEVER raided ANYTHING, and no guild stable enough to last. So, I am frustrated with the "end-game" content for my solo-in ass. Thats why I need a server where I can find a home. Don't mind doin the grind thing again, just as long as when I get there, I have somewhere to belong.

[KWSN]

Originally Posted by Frosstbyte

Unfortunately, with the drakes, you really have no option other than for your offtanks to be on the ball during the fights and to make sure the wing buffet stays off the MT. Ebonroc, in that regard, is even worse, since you have to worry about wing buffet and the shadow of ebonroc debuff. Obviously, CTraidassist makes doing this quite a bit easier. If you'd rather write your own timer mods or use a stopwatch, that's your deal, too, but there's no way to avoid the fact that you cannot beat the drakes if your MT keeps getting hit with wing buffet.

The upside is that once your tanks figure out the pattern, your guild shouldn't have any problems with any of the drakes and you'll see them as loot vending machines. Until they do "get it," however, there's not much anyone else in the guild can do to help you succeed. You might look at the website Hal linked with BWL strats a little while ago to make sure you have proper placement and exact strategy, though if you can get him to 5% you can get him to 0%.

Yea, realizing this is very much the case. After we killed Firemaw we had Ebonroc and Flamegor in 2 tries apiece. Ebonroc is really fun, I liked that one a lot. One of the more intense on vent, every 2 seconds "TAUNTS TAUNTS TAUNTS TAUNTS TAUNTS!!!" from the MT.

[dun_ask]

Hordes don't stand a chance.

[KWSN]

Originally Posted by Lasereth

We killed Razorgore last night after about 7 wipes. When we did kill him, it was easy as hell. Razorgore himself was a breeze...it was getting past phase 1 that sucked.

Then we tried Vael for shits and giggles. Here's a re-enactment:

"Alright, here we go!! Vael time! 3 sunders guys, full DPS!!"

I Mortal Striked him once, then all 6 warriors died in under 5 seconds. The entire 40-man raid was dead in 15 seconds.

I've never laughed so hard at being owned that bad in my entire WoW playtime. There was constant laughter on TS for a solid minute. We got completely bitch slapped.

If you're a warrior that's not tanking, you're going to be wanting to use Slam the whole fight. Over and over. Slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam... ad nauseaum.

[Lasereth]

Without Improved Slam, it seems like hitting MS, WW, and then Slam would be the best option. Slam over and over is high DPS, but I'd rather have 2 instances in 2 seconds that don't affect white swings rather than a 2 second cast ability that literally stops your weapon swing and prevents you from doing instants. Of course, we've tried Vael once, so I might be completely wrong.

BTW: I got Sulfuras about 2 hours ago. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll post some SS's later!

[KWSN]

Originally Posted by Lasereth

Without Improved Slam, it seems like hitting MS, WW, and then Slam would be the best option. Slam over and over is high DPS, but I'd rather have 2 instances in 2 seconds that don't affect white swings rather than a 2 second cast ability that literally stops your weapon swing and prevents you from doing instants. Of course, we've tried Vael once, so I might be completely wrong.

BTW: I got Sulfuras about 2 hours ago. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll post some SS's later!

Grats man, thats quite a weapon

A shaman in our guild is one ingot away from his