Glory's Sun

In case you haven't noticed, boxing is about as dead as rock and roll. Boxing has been so tainted over the years and it's participants so over the top that people got tired of it.

You would have a point if MMA was some lawless and ruleless exhibition like it was in the very beginning but they have changed quite a bit in the past years. It is very controlled and very safe.

Again, this thread is pointless as you have an opinion about manliness and MMA doesn't fit that mold for you. Just because it doesn't fit for you, doesn't mean it doesn't fit for others. So go back to your Cricket (which is SOOOOO manly) and your boxing and let MMA continue to pound your sport into the ground and just bury your head in the sand about the facts. Boxing and MMA are both sports, they just have different rules and different tactics. How is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting quite tired of this thread and the lopsidedness that you display here. It's really quite annoying to read this troll fest.

Glory's Sun

This picture seems to apply here

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silent_jay

If tyhe ultimate test of manliness means biting another mans ear off then yes it sure is.

Hardly a flash in the pan, if that were the case it's popularity wouldn't be constantly going up, it would have peaked by now. Only fans in certain areas you say? Any actual proof, or are you just using opinion and trying to pawn it off as a fact still?

Honest sport? Please, it's so fuckin corrupt it isn't funny. Easy opponents to pad records, biting ears, phantom punches for knockouts.......yeah real honest sport you have there.

You've got some odd ideas of what 'manliness' is that's for sure
Sure was a drunk...
Yeah sounds like a great example of a 'man'

I second this statement. It's a the point now that every 'point' or 'fact'(opinion) SF uses has been disproved to the point we don't even have to make new posts, we can just go back and copy and paste. If you don't have actual FACTS SF or anything that hasn't been beaten to death as was said last page, let this thread die, or go to the Hall of Fame where it belongs

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Strange Famous

He actually only had a couple of bare knuckle fights, he was the first heavyweight champion of the gloved era

He did fight black fighters, but drew the colour line once he had the belt.

Yes, he did have a drink problem.

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What some people here suffer from is a lack of perspective.

The TFP is a very north american biased community in terms of its membership. A thread about baseball (a sport taken seriously only in North America) has far more contributions than threads about cricket (which is huge in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, England, Australia, etc)

So first of all the perceived increasing popularity of MMA really is in fact only phenomona in the US and Canada.

I appreciate that these are the countries most of you are from - but please try to understand that there is a wider world. MMA is unknown in the UK for example. I guarantee that not 1 in a 1000 people in the UK would have a clue who Randy Coutre is. Probably 75 out of 100 would know who Ricky Hatton was.

Boxing is a global sport, huge in South America, Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and Australasia. MMA is really only popular in Eastern Europe, the far eastm and Northern America.

Let me make it very clear, in a factual way that I think no one cam argue with, the difference between the popularity of boxing and MMA. From Google:

Results 1 - 10 of about 50,500,000 for "boxing" [definition]. (0.85 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 7,500,000 for "mixed martial arts". (0.39 seconds)

There you go. Please go and try for yourself. Absolutely crystal clear, undisputed.

So when people talk about MMA "burying" boxing... I think they should try and remember that the whole world is not two nations of the American contient (by the way, even in America boxing is more popular than MMA... Im not interested in pay for view figures which only the wealthy middle class can afford - why dont you instead ask how ma boxing gyms there are compared to how many MMA training schools...)

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silent_jay

Proof? Can't say this without backing it up, you know that.
Funny the last Ultimate Fighter was US vs UK, so it's hardly unknown, but don't let real FACTS get in your way, you haven't yet.
Again trying pawn off OPINION as fact.

Really? Ever hear of BJJ? Last I checked Brazil is in South America. Again this is your OPINION, not a FACT, if it were fact you could prove it, so more bullshit.

That proves what exactly? More throwing shit at the wall SF, still though none of it sticks.

Can you actually prove any of this aside from saying it's a fact when in FACT it's just your OPINION? You haven't proven a bloody thing yet, other than your own ignorance of the sport. You're grasping at straws, throwing shit at the wall hoping it sticks, it really is getting quite tiring, try using some ACTUAL FACTS sometime, maybe then this thread won't be considered a joke, although I doubt that'll happen

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Strange Famous

I have shown you, factually, that there are 6 times more matches for boxing than MMA on Google... that is not an opinion, it is an easily testable fact.

But as usual the MMA fans ignore the facts and just plough on with their own opinions which they will not change even when proved wrong.

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silent_jay

It's a Google search, that's ahrdly proof of anything.

You're telling us we're ignoring facts? That's fuckin laughable dude, you haven't paid attention to a fact in this thread yet. Now I know you're doing nothing but trolling, this is pathetic.

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Strange Famous

It is proof that more is written about boxig than MMA, that boxing if more popular than MMA.

Do you really claim that George St Pierre is better known than Oscar De La Hoya? That Royce Gracie is better known than Muhammad Ali? Is this what you believe?

Or will you now admit that boxers are bigger stars than MMA fighters?

If so, do you believe this might be because boxing is far more popular than MMA?

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The_Dunedan

You oughta see what happens when somebody turns him loose in the Weaponry forum...

Strange Famous

You know - it is very instructive how many personal comments are made about me in this thread.

Now, I want to make it clear I am not complaining about it, I am not offended or upset about it - but while again and again I relentlessly stick to the point, the peope arguing against me cant answer my arguments directly so are reduced to insults, or really very silly comments (such as claiming I would be beaten up by a 130 lbs woman... as if such an event was possible. Anyone who knows me know I would not fight a woman under any circumstances.)

It shows how fragile the defence of MMA is.

MMA is unmanly, it allows a fallen opponent to be struck. Yes, I do repeat this because it is absolutely key to my objection to this spectacle of hooliganism called UFC. It is not "me stating my own opinion and ignoring fact" - from the first age you are raised as a boy, from the scraps you have in the schoolyard - any man knows that you do not hit or kick an opponent when they are fallen, and to do so is cowardly. I am not talking about grappling on the floor as practised by jin jitsu fighters... I am talking about a man being tripped up or dragged down, or even in the worse cases knocked down, and then punched while he is on the floor.

And remember these MMA fighters wear such light gloves it is the equivalent of being hit bare knuckle virtually.

If UFC will not make a rule amendment that strikes are only allowed when both men are standing and that when on the floor fighters can only grapple, then it should not be allowed to take place. Quite simply it should not be legal without this rule change.

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Baraka_Guru

Actually, a search for "MMA" turned up 27.7 million hits on my end. And "UFC" turned up another 28 million.

How many "boxing" hits were references to "Boxing Day" or "boxing" one's ears, or "Thai boxing" or "kick boxing" or ....

You have to admit that those returns for MMA and UFC are pretty decent for something "with no history."

But it's true. Google isn't the best measure for deeming the popularity of something. And it's only one measure. Attendance, number of events, number of practitioners, increasing number of practitioners, the money involved, the merchandising related to it, cultural references to it, its visibility and promotion in public, who's talking about it, etc., are others.

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Glory's Sun

wtf? using a google search as a defense?? wha..how.. huh??

Let's just ignore the fact that boxing as a sport has been around much longer than MMA as a sport firstly..that accounts for some of the hits in google, then add to the fact that Muay Thai boxing, Dirty boxing, Kick boxing etc etc were included in those hits, and you see why the hits are greater.

A man on the ground has two options, either gain a guarded position and work from the bottom.. or cover up in a defenseless posture. If the latter occurs the fight is stopped, so that obviously means that defenseless hitting is not allowed. Just as other forms of kicking and hitting in various postures and places are not allowed.

8oz gloves are quite a bit different than using bare knuckles. Quit spouting shit that you have no knowledge of. Have you ever put on a pair of 8oz gloves?? No you'd rather wear big red gloves with all that padding because that's SOOOO much MANLIER!! GROWL HEAR ME ROAR I AM MAN!

So please.. DO NOT bring up the "unmanly" argument again or this TROLL FEST will be closed.

Now to the UK thing. You sir are an idiot. MMA and UFC have grown leaps and bounds in the UK. Ignoring the douchebag that is Michael Bisbing, UFC just had a US vs UK event. It drew massive crowds. Sure boxing may still be bigger in the UK, but it won't be long before MMA takes over there as well.

Now if I hear you spout that hitting a man on the ground is "unmanly" again. I will lock this thread. I'm not joking. I'm sick of you using that as a factual argument when it is clearly an opinion and has nothing to do with the structure and rules that are part of some forms of martial art as well as it in in the construct of the rules in MMA. So stop saying it is unmanly. When I was a kid and I was in the street fighting. I didn't let anyone up.. I jumped on top and continued to beat them, if I was on the ground I continued to get beaten. So I don't know what this Chivalry flag you're waving is, but it's about as torn and tattered as the actual act.

The_Dunedan

Actually, I was raised knowing that a man's most dangerous when he's down, and that you should redouble your attack until he is no longer physically capable of threatening you. Then again, I was being prepared for actual FIGHTS, not pommy gentleman's games.

No, it's how you make sure the Other Fucker doesn't come up with a knife or a rock in his hand and rearrange your vital organs. As a subject of the Monarch of the most violent country in the developed world, this is something you should consider, for your own future safety. MMA stands for Mixed Martial (from the latin MARS, the God of WAR) Arts: ie training for lethal combat. In any street fight, knife-fight, or military action this "don't hit a man while he's down" crap will get you badly hurt or killed, and since MMA is a Martial art, after all...

Because it violates your outdated, irrelevant, unmanly prejudices. Right.

Baraka_Guru

I must say, before I got involved with this thread, I was a bit indifferent to combat sports in general. I mean, I have always been intrigued, but I'm not that into sports, really.

However, now that I've seen some of the views here, I must say I have an increased interest in MMA. Anyone have any pointers for learning more about or learning how to enjoy watching the sport?

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Glory's Sun

well I had a whole post typed out for you BG..and it disappeared. I would say just jump into it. Most commentators are versed enough to explain what's going on with the mounts, guards and submissions that you'll learn pretty quickly..

beware of Joe Rogan though.. he's annoying as fuck.



and this picture is specifically for Strange Famous.
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Chilly McFreeze

That is absolute rubbish. I'm from the UK and I know a ton of people who not only know who Randy Couture is, but who are massive MMA fans.

If your figure is right, in the 65 million population of the UK there would be 65000 people who knew of Couture. How then did they manage to get 16,235 fans into the O2 arena for a UFC PPV. I reckon the vast majority of the people there would have known who Couture is. Then you have the people like myself who have never had the opportunity to go to a PPV, but would love to, but can't for whatever reason (cost, the fact London is not exactly central to the UK, whatever). I wager there's closer to a million MMA fans in the UK than there is 65000.


You're really going to have to stop quoting figures unless you have sources - it's like the old saying says - 98.873% of statistics are made up on the spot.

m0rpheus

No it's just that you haven't been listening.

Yes lets.

Being repeatedly struck isn't advantages in any position, standing, or on the ground. However a BJJ artist has a large advantage on his back over someone who doesn't know BJJ.

First off he has never been an "actor". Pro-wrestling, while fake, is still a very physically demanding job. Could most pro-wrestlers make the jump to MMA and be successful? No, only a very select few could. Kurt Angle (1996 Olympic Gold medalist) probably could have gone to MMA and done very well if it wasn't for the many injuries he has sustained in his prowrestling career. Lesnar is the EXCEPTION, not the rule.
As far as deserving a title shot, I actually don't think he earned one. But the champion at the time (Coutur) public stated that he wanted to fight Brock Lesnar because he thought that Brock was going to be the next big star of the sport.

I'm going to get back to this in a second via edit.
Okay first Kimbo Slice - not a highly ranked fighter. Kimbo Slice not even a ranked fighter.
Second okay lets look at some of the highly ranked fighters records and see how many of them contain these "many" loses you speak of. Then lets look at the actual loses and see how many came from a) matches against a current champion, b) matches against a future champion, or c) at the start of their career

Current Lightweight Champion - BJ Penn
Record 13-5
BJ likes to move up in weight classes which is his downfall. 2 of his losses have come against Georges St. Pierre (current Welterweight Champion). 1 of his losses came against Matt Hughes (then WW champion). 1 came against Jens Pulver for the Lightweight title. 1 came against future Lightheavyweight (yes BJ's a bit nuts sometimes and likes to jump around weightclasses) champion Lyoto Machida.
That were considered major upsets - Zero (possibly one when he was facing the much larger Machida).

Georges St Pierre
Record 19-2
Loss to Matt Hughes (then WW champion and considered one of the greatest WWs of all time). Loss to Matt Serra (considered one of the biggest upsets of all time)
Losses that were considered major upsets - One.

Anderson Silva
Record 24-4
All of his losses came early in his career. Since 2005 the only loss he has was by DQ when he gave Okami an illegal kick (Silva was winning the fight until this point). Since joining the UFC he has been unstoppable (btw he got a title fight in his second UFC fight because he was that dominant). If it's a crap shoot then why has he sucessfully defended five times (should have been 6 but Travis Lutter missed weight so it wasn't considered a title fight).

Lyoto Machida
Record 15-0
Undefeated

Fedor Emelianenko
Record 30-1 (1 No Contest)
One loss is a doctor's stoppage due to cut early in his career that was actually caused by an illegal strike and should have been a no-contest.
BTW the 1 No Contest was an accidental headbutt that knocked Nogueira silly. Fedor won the rematch.

There's the guys considered the top fighters in the world.
Combined record
101 - 12 -1 NC
With those 12
- 3 are early career loses
- 1 should have been ruled a no contest
- 1 was a disqualification due to an illegal strike
- 1 was BJ Penn (a lightweight) bulking up to fight a Lightheavyweight
- 5 were fights against champions/#1 contenders.
- 1 was an upset.

Clearly a

Wrong. If you fought a top 25 heavyweight with no training other than your natural strength you would lose 100 times out of 100. The bottom rung HWs are either a) very effectient strikers with minimal ground game or b) very good ground game fighters with limited striking. The first group would KO you before you had the chance to even get close enough to take them down for an arm bar. The second group would gladly go to the ground with you when you, as an untrained amateur, would have a 100% chance of being submitted.

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Strange Famous

If you are going to use your position as a moderator of the site to win or imgine that you win arguments there isnt much point in me or anyone else having a conversation with you.

Its not my website and I cant tell people how it should be run, but I find it hard to see how this its in with all the stated aims to get more people involved.

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Glory's Sun

I'm threatening to lock it because you insist on using opinions as fact, and you make arguments that are nothing more than a troll. This entire thread should have been locked before it began because you played this card a while back. Don't worry I got your report.. it's rubbish in my eyes.. but I'll let someone else decide on that matter.

If you want to continue arguing this point you supposedly have in your head, then you need to bring ammo to support them.. so far all we have is a load of shit and made up stats to support your theories. It has nothing do with "winning an argument" it has to do with the fact that you simply refuse to acknowledge any argument brought forth against your fallacies and you continue to spark the debate by using trolling comments such as the "manly" factor; this is also in total ignorance of your sexist viewpoints that have nothing to do with the subject at hand whatsoever. It has nothing to do with getting people involved or not.. people don't want to get involved in something when they have to wade through waist high bullshit to get to any meat.. and you've certainly thrown around enough bullshit that it's waist deep.

So spare the martyr syndrome.. it doesn't make boxers look good.

silent_jay

No personal comments have been made about you, they've been made about your opinion being shit, bit no a single fuckin comment has been directed or can be considered a personal attack.

You have no point, it's been all over the board, you've been throwing shit at a wal land hoping it sticks, and the only thing it sticks to are your posts.

It shows how fragile the defence of MMA is.

Stil lyou don't egt that a downed opponent isn't defenseless, there's a difference between being down and being defenseless, it isn't our fault you can't understand that.
This is fuckin funny, you've done nothing but ignore facts in this thread, and tried pawning off you opinion as fact numerous time, fuck you've even tried pulling numbers out your arse, remember 95% of all people agree with you? Yeah that number came out your arse.
Really? Whoever taught you to fight must have been stupid then, it's a fuckin fight, as my father told me, he goes down dpon't fuckin let him back up.
Jiu-Jitsu is the correetc term, we went through this last page, or do you seriously not read our posts?
Again just because he's down doesn't mean he's defenseless.

You can't say it's the equivalent of being hit by bare knuckles then say virtually, it's contradicting, it either is or isn't.

OPINION not fact once again, but thanks for playing we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

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m0rpheus

Kimbo Slice has never even fought on PPV. He's fought 4 times on television events. That's it.

As stated before, and when Mercer fought him under MMA rules Mercer got submitted by a guillotine in the first round.

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dippin

I don't have much to add to anything, as I dislike either sport. But I just wanted to bring up that in Brazil MMA is literally hundreds of times more popular than boxing. Victor Belfort, Anderson Silva, Royce Gracie, Randy Couture are very popular and UFC events are televised. Boxing, meanwhile, is not shown in any channels, not even PPV, and you will only see anything on it on ESPN international. No one knows Pacquiao, and the last time a boxer had any name recognition over there was when Acelino Freitas was champion.

silent_jay

We all know this but SF doesn't believe facts, he'd rather use his opinion and pawn it off a 'fact'.
I love how he actually thinks he could get in a clinch with anyone, this may be one of the most outrageous things ever posted here on TFP and there have been some fuckin doozies over the years, I still can't believe someone would be foolish enough to make such a claim.........well I can believe it as someone first has to have the sack to prove it, which SF will never go near an MMA training facility, it's easy to be a tough guy and make these claims while sitting in ones living room.

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m0rpheus

MMA is global too. Forget North America.
UFC 99 - Cologne, German. Attendance 12,854
UFC 95 - The O2 Arena, London, England. Attendance 13,268
UFC 93 - The O2, Dublin, Ireland. Attendance 9,369

It's also huge in as you said, eastern europe and much of asia. Also don't forget South America.


First off, as stated before, how many of those "boxing" results are "kick boxing"? I'd bet a fair number
In fact
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,900,000 for kick boxing. (0.30 seconds)
so lets strike that boxing number down a to 37, 600, 000 shall we.
and when I googled mma I got
Results 1 - 10 of about 27,700,000 for mma.

Again, how many of those boxing results are boxing day?
Results 1 - 10 of about 17,300,000 for boxing day. (0.21 seconds)
Uh oh Boxing doesn't look so good now does it?

Also as far as "affording" PPV if it's only the wealthy middle class that can afford it doesn't that go against your arguement that MMA only appeals to college frat boys?

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highthief

For someone who speaks of "honour" SF, you are behaving very dishonourably by telling untruths.

Sullivan very publicly and often said he "Would never fight a negro. I never have and I never will."

Boxing - Thomas Hauser - John L. Sullivan Revisited: Part 3

As to bare knuckle fights, he fought many of them! He is regarded as the last bare knuckle champion. London Rules allowed either bare knuckle or very light gloves (no padding, not even as much as bag gloves today).

John L. Sullivan - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

You either know little about the history of boxing or you are flat out being dishonest, a very reprehensible behaviour.

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Strange Famous

Sullivan never fought Peter Jackson, and made some silly comments when Jack Johnson became champ... which I assume is what you are talkng about...but when he toured the country in his earlier years he foght all comers, black and white.

And the majority of the fights recorded today on his record were gloved. For the simple fact that prize fights were illegal,but atheletic displays (with gloves) weren't for most of his career.

I dont hold John L up as a moral example, but he wasnt a coward and he didnt duck anyone.

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silent_jay

And the back track begins When you say this:
You're holding him up as a moral example, whether you think it or not. Oh yeah and it's funny how once you get called on his being a racist his comments are 'silly'

This just in MMA is still a sport........

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highthief

No he didn't.

I'm not sure if you are utterly clueless about the history of the sport you profess to love, or have simply gotten caught in a lie and are trying to duck out, but here is a link to an article written by John L Sullivan for the London Times on the eve of the Jack Johnson-Jim Jeffries fight where he reiterates, as I have already said, that he had never fought a black fighter.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...639C946196D6CF

You are behaving very dishonourably.

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silent_jay

And the winner, in the blue corner from Ontario, Canada...........highthief.....

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Glory's Sun

/me applauds highthief.


Wow I just applauded a supporter of the scouse.. Wtf has the world come to?

Good on ya.

silent_jay

I find this portion quite funny, it's almost like he's trying to convince himself he's not biased.
I understand it was a different time and things were different with race relations and such, but it's still comical to see the words "I am not biased" and "should fight in a class by themselves" in the same sentence, he pretty much gave the exact definition of bias.

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m0rpheus

I'd agree just jump right in. Mike Goldberg really does seem to understand that each PPV may be someone's first and does a good job describing what's going on, and why.

Try watching an episode of UFC Unleashed on Spike. It's an hour long show that features rebroadcasts of three or four matches from previous Pay-per-views. It airs about a bunch of times per week on Spike

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Baraka_Guru

Thanks, m0rpheus (and gucci). Are there events on DVD worth watching? I'm not much of a broadcast TV viewer.

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Walt

Agreed. Though Goldberg also is perpetually leaning in and giving Joe Rogan a "Take-me-in-your-strong-arms-and-fuck-the-shit-out-of-me" look.

Seriously.

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Glory's Sun

hold on.. I just have to bust the editors ass for using the wrong form of 'their' in the post.

the DVDs aren't bad at all.. you can also youtube UFC/Affliction/Pride etc to watch what you want.. Light Heavy and Middleweight is where it's at IMO.

silent_jay

The old PRIDE PPV's are usually good watching, they can be found on most torrent sites, the rules are different from UFC, and you get to see some great action. Can't remember who did the commentary for them though for some reason Frank Trigg comes to mind but I could be wrong.

The original UFC's are good as well for getting to see men of different sizes battle it out as weight classes were non existent when it first started.

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Glory's Sun

wait..maybe you meant are there any dvd events worth watching..

fuck.. I'm drunk sorry.

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Fuck Frank Trigg..

I think Bas used to do some Pride commentating. Bas is god.

Plan9

Wow, that body language is way disturbing. I never noticed that before.

Probably because I tune them out until the bikini doll-girl comes back on the screen and the two caveman start swinging.

You fuckers need to check out World Combat League. That stuff makes UFC look like a bar brawl. I'm a big fan.

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silent_jay

You're right it is Bas, I had a brainfart there for a second.
Some good highlights there.

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Used to see this on Sportsnet here in Canada but haven't in quite some time

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Baraka_Guru

I was going to say....

Stick to moving pictures, buddy.

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Thanks for the starting tips, guys. Imma gonna check things out.

EDIT: I enjoyed that Bas vs. Warpath clip. It's great to see the sportsmanship between the two. Bas does indeed appear to be a god.

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