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ChrisJericho · 05-11-2004, 12:51 AM

This topic came up in the inter-racial relationships thread and I, like some others, felt that it deserved a thread of its own.

So here's a quick recap. My dad is white and my mother is 3rd generation japanese american. I personally have only dated white females because when growing there wasn't much of an asian population where I lived. However once I moved away to college (the UW) I was exposed to much more diversity. Lately, I have found myself noticing the asian females more than the white ones, and in all likeyhood the next girl I date will be asian.

However one other thing caught my attention while in college: the disproportionate amount of asian female/white male relationships. I mentioned this in the other thread, but it seems to me while I'm walking around campus for every asian/asian couple I see, I see about 6 asian female/white male pairings. All the asian girls I know personally that date are dating white males.

I asked these girls why they don't date asian males and the answers go something like this:

-"It's not the race of the person that I'm attracted to, it's their personality."

-"I'm just not into asian guys."

Those are the typical responses that I hear from them, and the interesting thing is whenever this topic comes up they get very aggitated and defensive.

Of course it's impossible to determine the single causal factor which leads many asian females to date white males, but I have my theory (which I have read in some in some other places as well), which goes something like this:

In our western society white males hold the most power. All of the US presidents have been white males and generally speaking white males are portrayed in the media as being masculine and assertive. On the other end of the spectrum, of course there have been no asian american presidents and masculine asian american males in the media are very hard to find (sorry, kung-fu stars do not count). So asian american females are raised in a society which depicts white males as being masculine and able to reach the top of the social hierarchy, whereas asian american males are rarely depicted in this masculine manner. So, and yes this oozes of social darwinism, the asian females are subconciously attracted to the white males because they think that their offspring will have a better chance of climbing to the top of society if the offspring look more white than asian. Once again, I do not believe most asian females make cognitive decisions regarding choosing white males over asian males, but rather they have been conditioned all their lives to see the white males as the best mates and providers for their children.

So that answers one half of the asian female/white male question, but the other half remains, why are white males attracted to asian females to such a degree? Well, once again this is my own theory and is is un-testable. Much like asian females are brought up to believe white males have certain characteristics by our society, our society also attaches certain characteristics to asian females. These traits for example are generally seen as more feminine than the normal (white) females. Such as the asian female is more submissive, quiet, and studious than a non-asian female. Because they physically look different and are thought to behave different, one will often hear or read the word "exotic" attached to descriptions of asian females. Thus, white males are subconciously attracted this "exotic" image of the passive asian female which is more exciting than the "normal" female.

So that is my own thoery. There are a few things I want to stress. Firstly, the role that stereotypes play in these relationships. Of course not every white male is an assertive business man capable of being a CEO and of course not every asian girl is passive and good at math. However these are the stereotypes that pervade each these types of people. I also want to emphasize how these processes occur subconciously in both the white male and asian female. Asian females/white males don't have cognitive thoughts such as "I date her because she's asian" or "I date him because I'm white." But the sociological sterotypes do play a role in the initial attraction and who we seek out as mates.

Lastly I just want to say that I am in no way opposed to asian female/white male relationships. After all, I'm the product of one and an excellent example of the result. I have stated my own theory and everyone else is free to hack it up to pieces or add their own thoughts to it.

Cynthetiq · 05-11-2004, 12:58 AM

hmmm... filipino heritage

Okay, my sister married a white male. I married a white female.

Our marriages are interacial and interfaith.

My BIL is I don't know where from... and my wife is of a Russian Background.

My best friend white, is married to a 1st gereration USB born Chinese woman.

For all of us, it's who we got along with... each of us dated other people from different ethnicities and religions. These are who we're paired up with for marriage.

I'm the only one of the whole group who dated strictly white girls. I had dated one filipina ONCE. One date. That's it. I never dated another. In fact from the time that we were both young we already addressed the issue to our parents that neither of us were going to marry filipino.

That said, I'm going to leave you with the notion that my parents raised us to be white. They gave us all the same tools for assimilating into the American culture so that even when people came over there wasn't "weird" food to eat and the like.

bermuDa · 05-11-2004, 02:40 AM

interesting theory, and I think in some cases it holds water... but it definitely can't be universally applied.

The main assumption of your hypothesis is that both parties are raised in american culture. Most of the stereotypes that you've mentioned regard asian women who are raised in an asian culture, or the perception of such women.

Some of the least quiet, modest and submissive women I know are US born asians. Some of the most irresponsible men I know are white.

I am dating a 100% japanese woman, who was raised in japan and has only been here since february. The submissiveness you mentioned is probably the least desirable trait evident from her upbringing. I encourage her to be assertive; I hate it when I hear "whatever you'd like" when I ask for an opinion.

She is very smart and enjoys learning, but that's more a product of the japanese school system, that teaches the kids to work hard; whereas the american school system alienates children from learning and is sadly more of a hit-or-miss system.

basically, I think that stereotypes and attitudes towards people of other ethnic backgrounds are just a meme that's absorbed from family and peers. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, we all have preconcieved notions about people who are not like us, until we actually get to know them and the nuances of individuals within that group (which is where a lot of those interracial/intercultural relationships arise). Being attracted to a person's physical traits is a matter of preference, but seeking them out for those traits is just as single-minded as avoiding that person for the same reason.

Holo · 05-11-2004, 04:03 AM

My first serious gf (read: live-in sexual gf) was Korean. I was extremely shy back then with females (I was a virgin) and she basically relaxed me enough to make a move and we eventually hooked up. She was my dad's roommate so we were technically living together already. After we were a couple she quickly took a very submissive role in our relationship, occasionally having a fight if I said something insensitive (I was 18 and a bit immature then) but overall she was very a classic Asian woman. She refused to let me do my laundry, she would cook tho she sucked at it (so did I) and was sexually available most every time I wanted to.

What ended up breaking us up was her lack of intellect. Being of the old world beliefs she needed a man to guide her and tell her what to do and didn't think for herself, even in simple matters. I have to say the caretaking aspect was somewhat attractive later on after having a couple white gfs. I'm not saying I want a slave or something but I liked being taken care of in a relationship...something that has lacked from most of my white/white relationships after the initial "selling" period. I think a lot of white men either have an Asian fetish, which was said in the other thread as well, or just like the attitude of many Asian women that persists to this day. Call it patriarchical or sexist, but I prefer a submissive (but intelligent) Asian woman over most white girls I've been with. I think I may date an Asian woman again if my current relationship doesn't work out.

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 05:06 AM

Speak for yourself CJ.

I'm Asian. I have read your statement regarding the reasons why many asian females prefer white males. If this was the case, I would probably think that the 2 Billion population of people in China would be much lesser than Western society. Hehehe. =)

In any case, don't look for a reason in this matter. Each case varies. You were speaking of the disproportions in your University, but you noted that you found or know 6 asian/white pairings. However, in my University system, I see lots of asian/asian pairings. Most of the female and male asians also lives in the same residential halls as well.

I'm not saying that your reasons is invalid, but, it seems to me that speaking from a general stand point is the same thing as stereotyping.

froseph · 05-11-2004, 06:37 AM

I'm asian and I'm not a big fan of asian pop culture, so I typically don't hang around the asian cliques. Personally I don't really care about the race of the person I date. If she's attractive, why care about such petty things? I find that the majority of asian/asian pairing are from those asian cliques. So people date those who they hang out with and like, don't really see a problem with that. Personally, I don't see why you need to bring up race in a relationship and I can see why they get defensive. Asking about why they chose another race is implying that it may be wrong or something. just my two worthless cents.

PhilMcGroin · 05-11-2004, 09:34 AM

Us white guys have bigger peckers?

just adding some levity! hehhehe

Phil

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 09:37 AM

Phil, do you mean black guys? Hehehe. =)

anti fishstick · 05-11-2004, 09:59 AM

well i have already stated my reasons as to why i myself wouldn't date asian guys in the other thread. not only am i less attracted to them physically, but their attitudes and culture are something i couldn't ever relate with. as for the social darwinism bit, sure, i believe my offspring would probably look better in an interracial pairing. some of the most attractive people come from mixed parents :P but as for best providers, i look for things that count.. not the color of skin. i know a lot of white men that wouldn't be able to raise a child at all. i dated one. at least he had the responsibility to admit it.

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 10:00 AM

here's a theory: asian men tend to be short. short guys have a harder time with women generally.

similarly, asian woman (like all women) are generally attracted to taller men. if tall white, tall black and short asian men are available, they will generally pick tall white. (the reason they won't pick tall black is because of either their own prejudice or their family's. this is a GROSS stereotype, however.)

So if you feel you're getting short-changed, consider that it may be just because you're too short, not because you're too asian.

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by anti fishstick
well i have already stated my reasons as to why i myself wouldn't date asian guys in the other thread. not only am i less attracted to them physically, but their attitudes and culture are something i couldn't ever relate with. as for the social darwinism bit, sure, i believe my offspring would probably look better in an interracial pairing. some of the most attractive people come from mixed parents :P but as for best providers, i look for things that count.. not the color of skin. i know a lot of white men that wouldn't be able to raise a child at all. i dated one. at least he had the responsibility to admit it.

anti-fishstick: do you find that even asian men who were born and raised in the US have these attitudes and culture that you can't relate with?

as for being not physically attracted, hey, what can you do. some people like blondes, some people like brunettes. not much you can do about that.

anti fishstick · 05-11-2004, 10:13 AM

yes i still feel alienated towards US born asian men. i think the main thing is just asian *groups* and subcultures that i can't relate to. these are everywhere and can be US born asians, asian born asians, or a mix of both. i myself was born in the philippines but moved here when i was 3. unlike most asians however, i was put into a little small agricultural town in OREGON so i had no sense of asian culture at all and lived my life individualistically a lot of the times (i was also an only child). i tried really hard to fit in asian culture during middle school by means of the internet. and i felt very alienated then because aside from not fitting in to their music, their clothing style, their gossip, the way they talked, etc. i also didn't even really KNOW them. they weren't really my friends.. i began to resent my own heritage and culture because of this and feeling more and more alienated to something i SHOULD belong to, but didn't feel i did at all. it was hard for me and i felt guilty as well for not liking my "own people".

to this day, i still can't relate, but i am more forgiving of myself. i was just raised differently and out of context. i have my own ideas and mindsets that have nothing to do with the asian subculture. i don't think i really belong to any sort of subculture really..

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 10:23 AM

i kind of know what you're talking about anti-fishstick. it's hard to make friends based on superficial characteristics such as skin type. that's why all those celebrity relationships that are based only on beauty and fame end in flames. the other philipino americans you met had parents with similar parenting styles in common, and it sounds like all you had in common with them was what you looked like.

and i'm sorry to hear it caused you to feel guilt--us people who don't belong in any subculture can relate. as nice as it is to be an individual, most everyone craves to belong in a group at some point in their lives. hope you enjoy those square dances at the 4H club

FaderMonkey · 05-11-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by PhilMcGroin
Us white guys have bigger peckers?

I've dated one girl that was asian (korean) and this was pretty much the reason she gave me. She said she just wasn't attracted to asian guys, but she also said that most asian men are pretty small in that area.

I agree that there is no general answer for this. Yeah, the girl I dated gave me this reason, but that's just her. I'm sure every reason is different.

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by rsl12
here's a theory: asian men tend to be short. short guys have a harder time with women generally....So if you feel you're getting short-changed, consider that it may be just because you're too short, not because you're too asian.

I have no idea where you got this information from. I'm 6' 2" tall, and Asian.

Anyway, anti-fishsticks, I was raised here in the US of A at the age of 2. I can't relate to my culture or whatever it is that you're calling it nowadays, however, what I can do is not to alienate myself from them but to teach them and emerse the so called " my people" to other ways of life. This not only get them to understand you, but have respectful attitudes towards yourself that you're trying to make a difference.

Don't feel so Alienated because you can't associate yourself with them. Learn their ways, and let them learn yours. It's simple as that. I got a nice quote for ya.

" There are 9 billion people in the world. There are 9 billion ways of living. There are 9 billion ways of justice, right and wrong. There are 9 billion people talking....(it goes on) How do we live together? "

anti fishstick · 05-11-2004, 01:55 PM

who said that console?

yeah i see what you mean.
i have learned their ways but feel like an anthropologist observing another culture, in a way. i could try to teach them a little more about myself.

YaWhateva · 05-11-2004, 02:22 PM

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(sorry, kung-fu stars do not count).

Oh comeon! didnt you see when Bruce Lee kicked Chuck Norris' ass? Sorry had to do it.

About the why non-asian(not just white) guys like asian women, i believe that it is totally due to the exotic factor. And the loyalty of Asians is very strong. I personally really like asian women for the exotic reason but i couldnt see myself with an asian girl for the rest of my life. Seems more of like a curiosity sort of thing. My girlfriend is Spanish(not Mexican Spanish) like me and I could see myself with her forever.

doncalypso · 05-11-2004, 03:28 PM

Given that I'm not an Asian man I don't have any first-hand perspective in the issue being discussed. However, even though I have no beef against interracial relationships I guess I would be kind of disturbed if I was an Asian man and noticed a greater prevalence of mixed Asian/white (f/m) couples---especially if I felt Asian women were excluding me from my dating pool.

I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with interracial and/or intercultural dating, but I doubt any man would think it cool if women of their own ethnic group excluded them from their dating pool and only went for white men though.

I hope this didn't come out as racist or anything....

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 03:55 PM

No. It's not. I understand your point of view as well.

I dated lots of Asian women, white women (Caucasion). Doesn't matter to me.

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 04:19 PM

no don--it didn't come across as racist. one of my friends was trying to set me up with a korean girl. my friend described me to this girl, saying i was this and that, and then she noted I was korean, and a look of disgust apparently came across her face. i know several people like this. but i say to each their own. i'm not attracted to people who have such biases anyways.

consolemaster: i am asian too, and i'm 5'6". For the record, my last relationship was with a caucasian woman, but that doesn't negate the validity of ChrisJericho's (the original poster's) concern, any more than your height negates the fact that asians tend to be shorter than caucasians. I did a quick lookup on the net:

http://www.tallpages.com/uk/index.php?pag=ukstatist.php

as of 1996, the average height of adult (18-30) japanese males is about 10 cm less than that of american males. ergo, asian men tend to be shorter than caucasian men.

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 04:41 PM

RlS, Statistics can be misleading when given the population density of 2 billion Chinese men and 1000 asian men.

1,000/2,000,000,000 is like almost 0.000005 or 0.0005 % of Asia population. I find that very amusing. But, if given a city-wide area anaylsis of the statistics, it would be more legit because of Dwarnism theory of closed variation. The gene pool will be limited because of the closed state of the variation in the popluation. This reasoning is a part of the reasons within reasons.

"The truth is does not reveal the truth. Just like when you place a bird on a paper, and a cage on another paper. How would you get the bird in the paper without drawing a bird in the cage? Simple, place the bird behind the cage drawing, and rotate it rapidly between two strings. You'll get the bird in the cage. "

It seemss that stats applies well if you reach a critical number such as flipping a coin and expected to recieve 1/2 chance of heads or tails. If you do this a couple of times if may be only 0.03% of reaching that, however, if you do it for a long length of flippings it may approach the more theoretical of 0.5. One of the reasons statistics in population may have a dramatic error. It's good for marketing schemes though.

Note: In case you want to know where I get the 1,000 from. It's from the link that you given me.

Nonetheless, it's hard to give a number to humans. We don't know how to use it. LOL.

ChrisJericho · 05-11-2004, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by ConsoleMaster

In any case, don't look for a reason in this matter. Each case varies. You were speaking of the disproportions in your University, but you noted that you found or know 6 asian/white pairings. However, in my University system, I see lots of asian/asian pairings. Most of the female and male asians also lives in the same residential halls as well.

If you are not interested in how society functions, that is your personal preference. I, however am interested in trying to get a better understanding of why these asian female/white male are so prevalent.

Also, it's not that I know of 6 of these pairings. While on campus for every asian/asian couple I see, I see around 6 asian female/white male combinations. I am not exagerating. I also know three asian women who are all dating white males. This could definitely vary by location. Things could be much different where you live. I am just making observations regarding my own daily enviroment.

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 05:34 PM

Good. Glad you clearify some of your points. Environmental factors are important it seems from your anaylsis.

As far as the way a society functions. I think someone needs to fix human problems first before we dissect how it functions or else we'll never know. LOL. Just like the middle east. However, humans aren't machines to dissect unless their dead, right? So, how do we understand a society if they are consist of humans?

Anyway. It sounds like the area you live in is just the part of whole. Your explanation is best suited to describe your living radius. It's hard to monitor the social aspects of the entire US community by using inference from one town or area.

Seaver · 05-11-2004, 06:46 PM

I've had a pretty long relationship with a Korean girl just a year ago. She was born and raised in America, but is 1st generation here so her family isnt fully Americanized.

The reason she said she was attracted to me was my confidence. This is no lie, I'm the type of guy who will talk to any girl, confidence is abundant with me. According to her, though, Asian men are more subtle. In their culture most matches are not arranged, but family DO play a very important part in playing match-up. So lots of Asian guys just dont approach women as openly as I guess Whites do.

Gross overestimation? possibly. As I said thats what she told me. I do see a lot of truth in it though, every woman everywhere is attracted to confidence. Our society the man has to be dripping with it to make the first approach, get her number, ask/figure out the first date, and carry the relationship through the first couple weeks.... the entire time risking failure at every step. If you are used to parents setting you up you dont have to go through this, maybe they just never got experience doing things for themselves.

wilbjammin · 05-11-2004, 07:18 PM

It occurs to me that this is really hard to simplify because there are differences between cultures throughout Asia. Korea is different than Japan which is also different from Cambodia, the Philippines, etc etc etc.

I'm still not sure what to think at the moment. I know why Janet is with me. I know why some others have gotten into relationships of this dynamic. Here at the Univerisity of Oregon I see many more Asian/Asian couples than anything else. I don't know what to say. I find it a little hard to believe that it is simply appearance that is an issue here - perhaps there are some cultural things going on. What are the gender relations like between Asian cultures within their own country? Power structure? What happens when people from those cultures enter the American system?

I feel like we are barely scratching the surface here.

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by ConsoleMaster
RlS, Statistics can be misleading when given the population density of 2 billion Chinese men and 1000 asian men.

i hate to change topics so much, but...

console--did you notice the confidence interval on that webpage? he's got enough data in there to make it obvious that 10 cm is a statistically significant difference. have you taken a statistics course ever?

anyways, why is it that cars designed for sale in japan are designed for a smaller human body than those in the US? why is it when I go to Korea all the urinals are set a few inches lower (more comfortable for me)? when in a hollywood movie they show actor X walking down the crowded streets of Tokyo, why is he always that much taller than everybody else on the street? why is it that, if you have a group of asians together in a room, you can tell without even looking at textbooks that asians are smaller? it should have been obvious without having to look at any numbers that asians are smaller. if you want me to pull up more numbers i'm sure i can find more.

sorry for the digression. asian men do get shafted when it comes to girls, but I think it has in large part to do with the height thing. since you're 6'2", do you have a problem attracting women? my guess is unless you're butt ugly or dress badly, a number of women are attracted to you instantly when you go to clubs.

rsl12 · 05-11-2004, 08:08 PM

btw, i agree with chris that it's not just some fluke from whatever neck of the woods he's from that asian women tend to date a disproportionate number of caucasian men. i'd say 3/4 of the asian women i know who are dating are not dating asian men. the asian men i know are mostly lonely.

ConsoleMaster · 05-11-2004, 09:06 PM

Sure. If you can prove it. I can believe it. And, since your not Asian. It's hard for you too see how Asian works, right? Hehehe. =)

BTW. I taken Calculus and Statistics classes, a requirement for engineering. His report was confident, but not enough data to work with to give a thorough anaylsis of the general diversity. And, the reason why those areas are like that was from a compiled data long ago. www.sirc.org would probably lists stuff about these with much more thorough investigations.

Not all Asian are short. That's a stereotype similar to the one that says Asians are good in math. I mean get real people.

yster · 05-11-2004, 09:10 PM

I think what bermuda mentioned earlier is a good point, whether or not the asian women in question were raised here or overseas. At my university at least, the majority of the asian population is not american-born. It seems to me that in a new environment, people would naturally gravitate towards trying new things. Who wants to vacation in Japan, Hawaii, France, etc.. and only eat pizza and hamburgers? ^^ College is all about trying new things and exploring anyway, I doubt any preference to white over asian is intended as a prejudice.
Alternately, what is the ratio of asian to white on the campus? If the campus is 80% white, wouldn't it make sense that 4 out of 5 asian women were dating white men? It seems more prejudicial to selectively date within your own race rather deciding on the individual personality of each person.
anyway, interesting topic to think about, just my musings..

Yakk · 05-12-2004, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by ConsoleMaster
Not all Asian are short. That's a stereotype similar to the one that says Asians are good in math. I mean get real people.

Um, nowhere was it stated that "all asians are short". It was stated that, on average, asian males are about 10 cm shorter than white males.

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His report was confident, but not enough data to work with to give a thorough anaylsis of the general diversity.

Explain. I cannot make any sense of this sentance.

HockeyGuy · 05-12-2004, 03:44 AM

I've dated an asian (chinese) girl in the past, so I suppose add me to those statistics!

qtpye4u84 · 05-12-2004, 04:22 AM

I think its just that some ppl are more attracted to ppl that are a different color or have different colored eyes any thing thats different, this is what my mom said to me, when she met my asian boyfriend.
Filipino's are cute too.
I have blonde hair blue eyes, so the guy's I was always into were
blonde and had blue eyes like me.
until I saw an asian for the first time I was weirdly attracted to him. I dated him, I liked him, so who know's, he does reminde me of my dad in many ways, like the way he breaths, His growing tummy ect.
I have also heard that, in a study someone did that people are also attracted to ppl that kinda look like themself's ,facial structure,Jaw bone.
They took a pic of the person, made it not look like them a little, and then added it into a big list off ppl they thought looked good to them, or what ever and all of the ppl picked them self out along with the other ppl they liked.

Sparhawk · 05-12-2004, 05:30 AM

I think there is a historical aspect to this relationship dynamic, going back to World War II and the U.S. victory over Japan, on through the Korean and Vietnam wars. The vast majority of our service members sent over there were white and male, and on a physical level, we were sending our strongest and fittest men to places like the Phillipines, and Korea. So what you have is (in some places) 3 generations worth of women in these countries seeing these American men as more "manly" (deservedly or not) along with 3 generations of servicemen who have had relationships with Asian women. So my thinking is that it is a real, subconcious attraction, with historical causes.

Redgirl · 05-12-2004, 06:39 AM

I have 2 good friends who are Japanese. The girl only likes American guys. The guy is married to an American girl who is part japanese, part white and part native amerian (she is one of the most beautiful women I know- that's a really good mix!). But she is still American. These 2 people I think just like everything American and that includes the people. The guy lives here and has for many years, the girl was here for school but is back in Japan now. But she is trying desperately to get back and even while in Japan she only dates American men.

I think a lot of people who are coming here from other countries just like America and want the whole American dream which includes an American spouse. Typical American's are still portrayed as white, even though that is obviously not all there is to choose from here.

So I wonder if the Asian women you see with white guys were raised here? Or are they like my Japanese friends and came to America for school and just love everything American, including the people?

ninety09 · 05-12-2004, 07:32 AM

I guess I'm one of these caucasian guys who prefers asian women. I don't know why, but it seems like I get along better with asians than with anybody else (with males too). Another reason why I like them is because of their looks. They just have the cutest eyes ever! Also, the fact that they are shorter might have something to do with my interest in asian girls. I really wouldn't want to date a girl taller or bigger than me, asians usually are petite.

My ex was raised in Hong-Kong and my current gf (half chinese/vietnamese) was raised here in Canada. I have to say that neither of them were submissive. Actually, I'm a little surprised that people still believe in that stereotype..

ConsoleMaster · 05-12-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by Yakk
Um, nowhere was it stated that "all asians are short". It was stated that, on average, asian males are about 10 cm shorter than white males.

Explain. I cannot make any sense of this sentance.

On average? Hmmm.....Tell me something. If you are given 1000 students in one given location. We have 225 outlier grades, this may cause the average to be inconsistent. Also it depends on the person doing the data plotting if that person become an affinity to short people or not, eventhough he says random, people are people. Statistics is a powerful tool for those not seeing how it works. It may damage a person morality. Statistics is useful only if you are given the total of a particular race. You can't judge by a couple of people. Genetic variations varies on many factors. Radiation, dietary, environment. A group of Asian living in a particular area is taller than another group of Asian living in another area. How's that? Sounds good? If he would've have not only done a consensus in Japan, he would've gained more followers.

I tell ya. Statistics is only okay for money and finances, but surveys, and such. It's not a very efficient tool for the latter because you cannot measure a human choice, can you?

rsl12 · 05-12-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by ConsoleMaster
Sure. If you can prove it. I can believe it. And, since your not Asian. It's hard for you too see how Asian works, right? Hehehe. =)

First of all, I am asian (Korean). But why did you bring that up? What does me being asian have to do with anything?

Secondly, I listed a few sites below, which I found by searching for "ergonomics anthropometry nationality". Is it bigotted of designers to create their products assuming that people in different countries are of different heights? Saying that most asians are generally short may be a stereotype, but it's a true stereotype. And it should have been clear just walking down the street--as clear as it is that men are generally taller than women. Don't be so quick to be offended by generalizations--generalizing is a human trait that is useful for engineers and scientists as well.

http://www.dh.aist.go.jp/research/an...nthropdat.html

http://vr.iao.fhg.de/papers/ERGONAUT_egve00.pdf

http://www.system-concepts.com/ETC/nationality.html

http://www.cs.wright.edu/~jgalli/hfe306/physwrk.ppt

http://www-ieem.ust.hk/dfaculty/ravi/papers/paper5.pdf

http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA325...hrodesign.html

ConsoleMaster · 05-12-2004, 02:17 PM

According to your findings, you mean Asian = Japanese?

Speak for yourself man. Now I know you're Asian, but how can you speak of everybody when you only use only a small consensus based on your perception? Explain to me why I'm not a typical ' asian height '? Maybe I'm not Asian? Or rather, explain to me why I know many Viets, Cambo, and Laos with heights above 6' in my University campus? Hmm...Looks like you're stereotyping your ' own asian groups ' than. Don't take my group with you.

wilbjammin · 05-12-2004, 02:27 PM

This is so stupid... unless you have data to prove that Asians aren't, on average, shorter than people of European descent, then I don't see why this continues.

In my experience, I've noticed that I'm taller than most Asian men that I meet. If you really want to make a point, back it up with evidence. Otherwise this is going to keep on going to no point.

And what does it matter?

I've asked questions try to get at the heart of why people Asian women with white American men. Why don't we focus on that issue? Why is this happening? Or does it really? What are the socio-political factors? What is happening culturally here? Why?

Leave the minutia alone, unless you can support what you're saying with evidence.

*grumbles*

I hate when the real issue gets lost like this.

ConsoleMaster · 05-12-2004, 02:29 PM

Okay. Pay my poverish un-supported country to do the consensus. Tell me. Who can do this? I can, only if I have the money? I don't think anybody here are aware of the political corruption in these countries, or do they? Hmmm....Let me see. Speak for the Japanese with those statistics if it uses them as their consensus.

As far as I know, the evidence from the links are referral to Japanese data. Please use it only for that area, don't take my so called ' group ' with you. Okay?

05-11-2004, 12:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Asian female/White male relationships. This topic came up in the inter-racial relationships thread and I, like some others, felt that it deserved a thread of its own. So here's a quick recap. My dad is white and my mother is 3rd generation japanese american. I personally have only dated white females because when growing there wasn't much of an asian population where I lived. However once I moved away to college (the UW) I was exposed to much more diversity. Lately, I have found myself noticing the asian females more than the white ones, and in all likeyhood the next girl I date will be asian. However one other thing caught my attention while in college: the disproportionate amount of asian female/white male relationships. I mentioned this in the other thread, but it seems to me while I'm walking around campus for every asian/asian couple I see, I see about 6 asian female/white male pairings. All the asian girls I know personally that date are dating white males. I asked these girls why they don't date asian males and the answers go something like this: -"It's not the race of the person that I'm attracted to, it's their personality." -"I'm just not into asian guys." Those are the typical responses that I hear from them, and the interesting thing is whenever this topic comes up they get very aggitated and defensive. Of course it's impossible to determine the single causal factor which leads many asian females to date white males, but I have my theory (which I have read in some in some other places as well), which goes something like this: In our western society white males hold the most power. All of the US presidents have been white males and generally speaking white males are portrayed in the media as being masculine and assertive. On the other end of the spectrum, of course there have been no asian american presidents and masculine asian american males in the media are very hard to find (sorry, kung-fu stars do not count). So asian american females are raised in a society which depicts white males as being masculine and able to reach the top of the social hierarchy, whereas asian american males are rarely depicted in this masculine manner. So, and yes this oozes of social darwinism, the asian females are subconciously attracted to the white males because they think that their offspring will have a better chance of climbing to the top of society if the offspring look more white than asian. Once again, I do not believe most asian females make cognitive decisions regarding choosing white males over asian males, but rather they have been conditioned all their lives to see the white males as the best mates and providers for their children. So that answers one half of the asian female/white male question, but the other half remains, why are white males attracted to asian females to such a degree? Well, once again this is my own theory and is is un-testable. Much like asian females are brought up to believe white males have certain characteristics by our society, our society also attaches certain characteristics to asian females. These traits for example are generally seen as more feminine than the normal (white) females. Such as the asian female is more submissive, quiet, and studious than a non-asian female. Because they physically look different and are thought to behave different, one will often hear or read the word "exotic" attached to descriptions of asian females. Thus, white males are subconciously attracted this "exotic" image of the passive asian female which is more exciting than the "normal" female. So that is my own thoery. There are a few things I want to stress. Firstly, the role that stereotypes play in these relationships. Of course not every white male is an assertive business man capable of being a CEO and of course not every asian girl is passive and good at math. However these are the stereotypes that pervade each these types of people. I also want to emphasize how these processes occur subconciously in both the white male and asian female. Asian females/white males don't have cognitive thoughts such as "I date her because she's asian" or "I date him because I'm white." But the sociological sterotypes do play a role in the initial attraction and who we seek out as mates. Lastly I just want to say that I am in no way opposed to asian female/white male relationships. After all, I'm the product of one and an excellent example of the result. I have stated my own theory and everyone else is free to hack it up to pieces or add their own thoughts to it. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

05-11-2004, 12:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	hmmm... filipino heritage Okay, my sister married a white male. I married a white female. Our marriages are interacial and interfaith. My BIL is I don't know where from... and my wife is of a Russian Background. My best friend white, is married to a 1st gereration USB born Chinese woman. For all of us, it's who we got along with... each of us dated other people from different ethnicities and religions. These are who we're paired up with for marriage. I'm the only one of the whole group who dated strictly white girls. I had dated one filipina ONCE. One date. That's it. I never dated another. In fact from the time that we were both young we already addressed the issue to our parents that neither of us were going to marry filipino. That said, I'm going to leave you with the notion that my parents raised us to be white. They gave us all the same tools for assimilating into the American culture so that even when people came over there wasn't "weird" food to eat and the like. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-11-2004, 02:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	interesting theory, and I think in some cases it holds water... but it definitely can't be universally applied. The main assumption of your hypothesis is that both parties are raised in american culture. Most of the stereotypes that you've mentioned regard asian women who are raised in an asian culture, or the perception of such women. Some of the least quiet, modest and submissive women I know are US born asians. Some of the most irresponsible men I know are white. I am dating a 100% japanese woman, who was raised in japan and has only been here since february. The submissiveness you mentioned is probably the least desirable trait evident from her upbringing. I encourage her to be assertive; I hate it when I hear "whatever you'd like" when I ask for an opinion. She is very smart and enjoys learning, but that's more a product of the japanese school system, that teaches the kids to work hard; whereas the american school system alienates children from learning and is sadly more of a hit-or-miss system. basically, I think that stereotypes and attitudes towards people of other ethnic backgrounds are just a meme that's absorbed from family and peers. It doesn't matter what culture you come from, we all have preconcieved notions about people who are not like us, until we actually get to know them and the nuances of individuals within that group (which is where a lot of those interracial/intercultural relationships arise). Being attracted to a person's physical traits is a matter of preference, but seeking them out for those traits is just as single-minded as avoiding that person for the same reason. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman. Last edited by bermuDa; 05-11-2004 at 02:50 AM..

05-11-2004, 04:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	My first serious gf (read: live-in sexual gf) was Korean. I was extremely shy back then with females (I was a virgin) and she basically relaxed me enough to make a move and we eventually hooked up. She was my dad's roommate so we were technically living together already. After we were a couple she quickly took a very submissive role in our relationship, occasionally having a fight if I said something insensitive (I was 18 and a bit immature then) but overall she was very a classic Asian woman. She refused to let me do my laundry, she would cook tho she sucked at it (so did I) and was sexually available most every time I wanted to. What ended up breaking us up was her lack of intellect. Being of the old world beliefs she needed a man to guide her and tell her what to do and didn't think for herself, even in simple matters. I have to say the caretaking aspect was somewhat attractive later on after having a couple white gfs. I'm not saying I want a slave or something but I liked being taken care of in a relationship...something that has lacked from most of my white/white relationships after the initial "selling" period. I think a lot of white men either have an Asian fetish, which was said in the other thread as well, or just like the attitude of many Asian women that persists to this day. Call it patriarchical or sexist, but I prefer a submissive (but intelligent) Asian woman over most white girls I've been with. I think I may date an Asian woman again if my current relationship doesn't work out. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

05-11-2004, 06:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
froseph Tilted	I'm asian and I'm not a big fan of asian pop culture, so I typically don't hang around the asian cliques. Personally I don't really care about the race of the person I date. If she's attractive, why care about such petty things? I find that the majority of asian/asian pairing are from those asian cliques. So people date those who they hang out with and like, don't really see a problem with that. Personally, I don't see why you need to bring up race in a relationship and I can see why they get defensive. Asking about why they chose another race is implying that it may be wrong or something. just my two worthless cents. __________________ sometimes it just takes a cat

05-11-2004, 05:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	Speak for yourself CJ. I'm Asian. I have read your statement regarding the reasons why many asian females prefer white males. If this was the case, I would probably think that the 2 Billion population of people in China would be much lesser than Western society. Hehehe. =) In any case, don't look for a reason in this matter. Each case varies. You were speaking of the disproportions in your University, but you noted that you found or know 6 asian/white pairings. However, in my University system, I see lots of asian/asian pairings. Most of the female and male asians also lives in the same residential halls as well. I'm not saying that your reasons is invalid, but, it seems to me that speaking from a general stand point is the same thing as stereotyping.

05-11-2004, 09:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
PhilMcGroin Upright	Us white guys have bigger peckers? just adding some levity! hehhehe Phil __________________ I don't know what I've been doing but I don't wanna stop

05-11-2004, 09:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	Phil, do you mean black guys? Hehehe. =)

05-11-2004, 09:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	well i have already stated my reasons as to why i myself wouldn't date asian guys in the other thread. not only am i less attracted to them physically, but their attitudes and culture are something i couldn't ever relate with. as for the social darwinism bit, sure, i believe my offspring would probably look better in an interracial pairing. some of the most attractive people come from mixed parents :P but as for best providers, i look for things that count.. not the color of skin. i know a lot of white men that wouldn't be able to raise a child at all. i dated one. at least he had the responsibility to admit it. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

05-11-2004, 10:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	here's a theory: asian men tend to be short. short guys have a harder time with women generally. similarly, asian woman (like all women) are generally attracted to taller men. if tall white, tall black and short asian men are available, they will generally pick tall white. (the reason they won't pick tall black is because of either their own prejudice or their family's. this is a GROSS stereotype, however.) So if you feel you're getting short-changed, consider that it may be just because you're too short, not because you're too asian. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-11-2004, 10:13 AM	#12 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	yes i still feel alienated towards US born asian men. i think the main thing is just asian groups and subcultures that i can't relate to. these are everywhere and can be US born asians, asian born asians, or a mix of both. i myself was born in the philippines but moved here when i was 3. unlike most asians however, i was put into a little small agricultural town in OREGON so i had no sense of asian culture at all and lived my life individualistically a lot of the times (i was also an only child). i tried really hard to fit in asian culture during middle school by means of the internet. and i felt very alienated then because aside from not fitting in to their music, their clothing style, their gossip, the way they talked, etc. i also didn't even really KNOW them. they weren't really my friends.. i began to resent my own heritage and culture because of this and feeling more and more alienated to something i SHOULD belong to, but didn't feel i did at all. it was hard for me and i felt guilty as well for not liking my "own people". to this day, i still can't relate, but i am more forgiving of myself. i was just raised differently and out of context. i have my own ideas and mindsets that have nothing to do with the asian subculture. i don't think i really belong to any sort of subculture really.. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

05-11-2004, 10:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	i kind of know what you're talking about anti-fishstick. it's hard to make friends based on superficial characteristics such as skin type. that's why all those celebrity relationships that are based only on beauty and fame end in flames. the other philipino americans you met had parents with similar parenting styles in common, and it sounds like all you had in common with them was what you looked like. and i'm sorry to hear it caused you to feel guilt--us people who don't belong in any subculture can relate. as nice as it is to be an individual, most everyone craves to belong in a group at some point in their lives. hope you enjoy those square dances at the 4H club __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-11-2004, 01:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	who said that console? yeah i see what you mean. i have learned their ways but feel like an anthropologist observing another culture, in a way. i could try to teach them a little more about myself. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin

05-11-2004, 03:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
doncalypso TFP Mad Scientist Location: Philadelphia, PA	Given that I'm not an Asian man I don't have any first-hand perspective in the issue being discussed. However, even though I have no beef against interracial relationships I guess I would be kind of disturbed if I was an Asian man and noticed a greater prevalence of mixed Asian/white (f/m) couples---especially if I felt Asian women were excluding me from my dating pool. I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with interracial and/or intercultural dating, but I doubt any man would think it cool if women of their own ethnic group excluded them from their dating pool and only went for white men though. I hope this didn't come out as racist or anything.... __________________ Doncalypso... the one and only Haitian Sensation

05-11-2004, 03:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	No. It's not. I understand your point of view as well. I dated lots of Asian women, white women (Caucasion). Doesn't matter to me.

05-11-2004, 04:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	no don--it didn't come across as racist. one of my friends was trying to set me up with a korean girl. my friend described me to this girl, saying i was this and that, and then she noted I was korean, and a look of disgust apparently came across her face. i know several people like this. but i say to each their own. i'm not attracted to people who have such biases anyways. consolemaster: i am asian too, and i'm 5'6". For the record, my last relationship was with a caucasian woman, but that doesn't negate the validity of ChrisJericho's (the original poster's) concern, any more than your height negates the fact that asians tend to be shorter than caucasians. I did a quick lookup on the net: http://www.tallpages.com/uk/index.php?pag=ukstatist.php as of 1996, the average height of adult (18-30) japanese males is about 10 cm less than that of american males. ergo, asian men tend to be shorter than caucasian men. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-11-2004, 04:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	RlS, Statistics can be misleading when given the population density of 2 billion Chinese men and 1000 asian men. 1,000/2,000,000,000 is like almost 0.000005 or 0.0005 % of Asia population. I find that very amusing. But, if given a city-wide area anaylsis of the statistics, it would be more legit because of Dwarnism theory of closed variation. The gene pool will be limited because of the closed state of the variation in the popluation. This reasoning is a part of the reasons within reasons. "The truth is does not reveal the truth. Just like when you place a bird on a paper, and a cage on another paper. How would you get the bird in the paper without drawing a bird in the cage? Simple, place the bird behind the cage drawing, and rotate it rapidly between two strings. You'll get the bird in the cage. " It seemss that stats applies well if you reach a critical number such as flipping a coin and expected to recieve 1/2 chance of heads or tails. If you do this a couple of times if may be only 0.03% of reaching that, however, if you do it for a long length of flippings it may approach the more theoretical of 0.5. One of the reasons statistics in population may have a dramatic error. It's good for marketing schemes though. Note: In case you want to know where I get the 1,000 from. It's from the link that you given me. Nonetheless, it's hard to give a number to humans. We don't know how to use it. LOL. Last edited by ConsoleMaster; 05-11-2004 at 04:49 PM..

05-11-2004, 05:34 PM	#23 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	Good. Glad you clearify some of your points. Environmental factors are important it seems from your anaylsis. As far as the way a society functions. I think someone needs to fix human problems first before we dissect how it functions or else we'll never know. LOL. Just like the middle east. However, humans aren't machines to dissect unless their dead, right? So, how do we understand a society if they are consist of humans? Anyway. It sounds like the area you live in is just the part of whole. Your explanation is best suited to describe your living radius. It's hard to monitor the social aspects of the entire US community by using inference from one town or area.

05-11-2004, 06:46 PM	#24 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	I've had a pretty long relationship with a Korean girl just a year ago. She was born and raised in America, but is 1st generation here so her family isnt fully Americanized. The reason she said she was attracted to me was my confidence. This is no lie, I'm the type of guy who will talk to any girl, confidence is abundant with me. According to her, though, Asian men are more subtle. In their culture most matches are not arranged, but family DO play a very important part in playing match-up. So lots of Asian guys just dont approach women as openly as I guess Whites do. Gross overestimation? possibly. As I said thats what she told me. I do see a lot of truth in it though, every woman everywhere is attracted to confidence. Our society the man has to be dripping with it to make the first approach, get her number, ask/figure out the first date, and carry the relationship through the first couple weeks.... the entire time risking failure at every step. If you are used to parents setting you up you dont have to go through this, maybe they just never got experience doing things for themselves.

05-11-2004, 07:18 PM	#25 (permalink)
wilbjammin * * *	It occurs to me that this is really hard to simplify because there are differences between cultures throughout Asia. Korea is different than Japan which is also different from Cambodia, the Philippines, etc etc etc. I'm still not sure what to think at the moment. I know why Janet is with me. I know why some others have gotten into relationships of this dynamic. Here at the Univerisity of Oregon I see many more Asian/Asian couples than anything else. I don't know what to say. I find it a little hard to believe that it is simply appearance that is an issue here - perhaps there are some cultural things going on. What are the gender relations like between Asian cultures within their own country? Power structure? What happens when people from those cultures enter the American system? I feel like we are barely scratching the surface here. __________________ Innominate.

05-11-2004, 08:08 PM	#27 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	btw, i agree with chris that it's not just some fluke from whatever neck of the woods he's from that asian women tend to date a disproportionate number of caucasian men. i'd say 3/4 of the asian women i know who are dating are not dating asian men. the asian men i know are mostly lonely. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-11-2004, 09:06 PM	#28 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	Sure. If you can prove it. I can believe it. And, since your not Asian. It's hard for you too see how Asian works, right? Hehehe. =) BTW. I taken Calculus and Statistics classes, a requirement for engineering. His report was confident, but not enough data to work with to give a thorough anaylsis of the general diversity. And, the reason why those areas are like that was from a compiled data long ago. www.sirc.org would probably lists stuff about these with much more thorough investigations. Not all Asian are short. That's a stereotype similar to the one that says Asians are good in math. I mean get real people.

05-11-2004, 09:10 PM	#29 (permalink)
yster Tilted	I think what bermuda mentioned earlier is a good point, whether or not the asian women in question were raised here or overseas. At my university at least, the majority of the asian population is not american-born. It seems to me that in a new environment, people would naturally gravitate towards trying new things. Who wants to vacation in Japan, Hawaii, France, etc.. and only eat pizza and hamburgers? ^^ College is all about trying new things and exploring anyway, I doubt any preference to white over asian is intended as a prejudice. Alternately, what is the ratio of asian to white on the campus? If the campus is 80% white, wouldn't it make sense that 4 out of 5 asian women were dating white men? It seems more prejudicial to selectively date within your own race rather deciding on the individual personality of each person. anyway, interesting topic to think about, just my musings..

05-12-2004, 03:44 AM	#31 (permalink)
HockeyGuy Psycho Location: London, England	I've dated an asian (chinese) girl in the past, so I suppose add me to those statistics!

05-12-2004, 04:22 AM	#32 (permalink)
qtpye4u84 Flavor+noodles Location: oregon	I think its just that some ppl are more attracted to ppl that are a different color or have different colored eyes any thing thats different, this is what my mom said to me, when she met my asian boyfriend. Filipino's are cute too. I have blonde hair blue eyes, so the guy's I was always into were blonde and had blue eyes like me. until I saw an asian for the first time I was weirdly attracted to him. I dated him, I liked him, so who know's, he does reminde me of my dad in many ways, like the way he breaths, His growing tummy ect. I have also heard that, in a study someone did that people are also attracted to ppl that kinda look like themself's ,facial structure,Jaw bone. They took a pic of the person, made it not look like them a little, and then added it into a big list off ppl they thought looked good to them, or what ever and all of the ppl picked them self out along with the other ppl they liked. __________________ The QTpie Last edited by qtpye4u84; 05-12-2004 at 04:29 AM..

05-12-2004, 05:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
Sparhawk Dubya Location: VA	I think there is a historical aspect to this relationship dynamic, going back to World War II and the U.S. victory over Japan, on through the Korean and Vietnam wars. The vast majority of our service members sent over there were white and male, and on a physical level, we were sending our strongest and fittest men to places like the Phillipines, and Korea. So what you have is (in some places) 3 generations worth of women in these countries seeing these American men as more "manly" (deservedly or not) along with 3 generations of servicemen who have had relationships with Asian women. So my thinking is that it is a real, subconcious attraction, with historical causes. __________________ "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

05-12-2004, 06:39 AM	#34 (permalink)
Redgirl Addict Location: Native America	I have 2 good friends who are Japanese. The girl only likes American guys. The guy is married to an American girl who is part japanese, part white and part native amerian (she is one of the most beautiful women I know- that's a really good mix!). But she is still American. These 2 people I think just like everything American and that includes the people. The guy lives here and has for many years, the girl was here for school but is back in Japan now. But she is trying desperately to get back and even while in Japan she only dates American men. I think a lot of people who are coming here from other countries just like America and want the whole American dream which includes an American spouse. Typical American's are still portrayed as white, even though that is obviously not all there is to choose from here. So I wonder if the Asian women you see with white guys were raised here? Or are they like my Japanese friends and came to America for school and just love everything American, including the people? __________________ Thought for the day: Men are like fine wine. They start out as grapes, and it's up to the women to stomp the crap out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

05-12-2004, 07:32 AM	#35 (permalink)
ninety09 Flavour of the Weak Location: Canada	I guess I'm one of these caucasian guys who prefers asian women. I don't know why, but it seems like I get along better with asians than with anybody else (with males too). Another reason why I like them is because of their looks. They just have the cutest eyes ever! Also, the fact that they are shorter might have something to do with my interest in asian girls. I really wouldn't want to date a girl taller or bigger than me, asians usually are petite. My ex was raised in Hong-Kong and my current gf (half chinese/vietnamese) was raised here in Canada. I have to say that neither of them were submissive. Actually, I'm a little surprised that people still believe in that stereotype..

05-12-2004, 02:17 PM	#38 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	According to your findings, you mean Asian = Japanese? Speak for yourself man. Now I know you're Asian, but how can you speak of everybody when you only use only a small consensus based on your perception? Explain to me why I'm not a typical ' asian height '? Maybe I'm not Asian? Or rather, explain to me why I know many Viets, Cambo, and Laos with heights above 6' in my University campus? Hmm...Looks like you're stereotyping your ' own asian groups ' than. Don't take my group with you. Last edited by ConsoleMaster; 05-12-2004 at 02:24 PM..

05-12-2004, 02:27 PM	#39 (permalink)
wilbjammin * * *	This is so stupid... unless you have data to prove that Asians aren't, on average, shorter than people of European descent, then I don't see why this continues. In my experience, I've noticed that I'm taller than most Asian men that I meet. If you really want to make a point, back it up with evidence. Otherwise this is going to keep on going to no point. And what does it matter? I've asked questions try to get at the heart of why people Asian women with white American men. Why don't we focus on that issue? Why is this happening? Or does it really? What are the socio-political factors? What is happening culturally here? Why? Leave the minutia alone, unless you can support what you're saying with evidence. grumbles I hate when the real issue gets lost like this. __________________ Innominate.

05-12-2004, 02:29 PM	#40 (permalink)
ConsoleMaster Upright	Okay. Pay my poverish un-supported country to do the consensus. Tell me. Who can do this? I can, only if I have the money? I don't think anybody here are aware of the political corruption in these countries, or do they? Hmmm....Let me see. Speak for the Japanese with those statistics if it uses them as their consensus. As far as I know, the evidence from the links are referral to Japanese data. Please use it only for that area, don't take my so called ' group ' with you. Okay?