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Old 05-26-2005, 08:36 AM   #521 (permalink)
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When Hurley was tooling around through the airport on the Rascal, he passed in front of six girls in sports uniforms, and the numbers on their jerseys were (in order) 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42. Grancey and I were wondering just how much other background stuff we missed like that.
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:56 AM   #522 (permalink)
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I liked how all the characters show up in the airport, some very subtley passing through the screen. That was neat.

I would have to say I liked the season finale. Yes, it left everything up in the air, but that's just what a good season finale should do. It gave us all something to come back for.

I like the freakiness around Walt. I like what they're doing with his character.
I dislike Rousseau, the French lady. I dislike all her lines and her acting ability. I dislike that they named her Rousseau.

I dislike that they went a whole season without Kate and Sun kissing. Damnation!

So I guess this is goodbye to this thread until the Fall. I hope to see you all back here when rumours of the Lost Season II premiere hit the airwaves...
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Old 05-26-2005, 11:23 AM   #523 (permalink)
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So was last night's episode the finale? I was flipping channels, so didn't see the ending. The last scene that I saw was when they were looking down a deep manhole that they uncovered with dynomite. I thought that I heard there would be a two hour finale on tonight. But then that may be because i was watching a tape of the 24 finale from two nights ago...

(so many season enders, no time to watch them all)
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Old 05-26-2005, 11:26 AM   #524 (permalink)
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Janey... the final episode is tonight at 8pm on CTV. Last night CTV ran the two-hour finale of American Idol...

The two hour finale was on last night in the US..
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Old 05-26-2005, 11:28 AM   #525 (permalink)
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Janey... the final episode is tonight at 8pm on CTV. Last night CTV ran the two-hour finale of American Idol...

The two hour finale was on last night in the US..

phew! thanks charlatan. so i have to finish watching 24 (12 mins to go) so i can set the tape up to catch the Lost episode. I was flipping between the Pirate attack on Lost and Bo singing with Lynyrd Skynyrd. Bo won that remote control battle, but now I don't know where I am with the Lost episode. I'l ltape it all tonight while I'm out.
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Old 05-26-2005, 02:00 PM   #526 (permalink)
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When Hurley was tooling around through the airport on the Rascal, he passed in front of six girls in sports uniforms, and the numbers on their jerseys were (in order) 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42. Grancey and I were wondering just how much other background stuff we missed like that.
there is another site i frequent that has tons of info on this topic and any other you could imagine. it's a fabulous site for fans of this show. pm me and i'll send it to you if you want it. i don't know if i'm allowed to post another website.

someone mentioned about charlie going back to his heroin problem, i'm not sure that's going to happen. remember, he was a religious person before being introduced to heroin. maybe he's just getting a virgin mary for his faith. also, wouldn't it have been easier to just take the little packets of heroin instead of a big virgin mary? just a couple of thoughts to ponder.
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Old 05-26-2005, 02:42 PM   #527 (permalink)
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I watch Lost somewhat infrequently, usually once every other week or so. To be honest, when I DO watch it, it's because there's nothing else on the other networks that remotely interests me and because I find the show visually (it's shot in Hawaii and 'Kate' is hot) and aurally pleasing (great music)... but not necessarily because I am interested in the plot.

Like others have said, most of the time the show does not deliver the goods when it comes to answering major questions. Granted, I have missed a few epiosdes, but how long has that hatch been a mystery? Like 5 episodes? And then in the season finale they don't give a definitive answer to where the hatch leads to, they just keep the hatch mystery around to drag out for another 5 episodes next season. And of course there's raft/monster storylines which simply lead to more questions.

At some point while I was watching Lost I realized that in order to enjoy watching the show, you just have to accept that nothing will be solved. The writers will never give any definitive answers to any of the major questions. Just let go of any hope you have.

Now I'm not saying Lost is a horrible show by any means, I'd still watch it over the 4 different Law & Order Shows or American Idol anyday. What I do believe however is that Lost has an immense potential of being a great show. All the writers have to do is deliever on some of the major mysteries and stop leaving the viewers with the proverbial blue balls. I personally would watch much more regularly if I knew that plots would eventually be resolved. For example, my hands down favorite TV show is 24. Often times there's a mole in CTU that needs to be found or a target of a bomb needs to be determined. In 24 I know that eventually the mole or the bomb target will be revealed to the viewers, even if CTU fails to stop the terrorist activies. Because I know the show will answer the questions it poses, I tune in the following week and so on and so on etc. With Lost I have no expectations of any resolutions and therefore my interest level stays minimal.

*Phew* That was a really long post. Despite my frustrations I will most likely continue watching Lost next season on a somewhat infrequent basis, but like I said, I think it's capable of much more.
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Old 05-30-2005, 06:10 AM   #528 (permalink)
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not much to look at but its pretty cool. its a small teaser for the next season.

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Old 05-30-2005, 06:51 AM   #529 (permalink)
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Some numbers... (originally written by someone else)

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The Numbers

The numbers Hurley uses for his winning lottery are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42. The flight number that the survivors crashed on has two of those numbers - 815.

Numbers 2

If you add all the digits of the numbers plus Hurley's worth in america ($156 mil) 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2+1+5+6=48 which is the same number of the original survivors on the island.

More with addition and subtraction

If you add up the numbers, 4+8+15+16+23+42=108, and subtract that from Hurley's net worth (156-108=48), again, it equals the number of survivors.

Numbers numbers numbers

Adding up 4+8+15+16+23 = 66 Add the digits of the PowerBall number 4+2=6 Also, read the Bible/Torah's Book of Numbers (4th book) 15 and 16 (Numbers <4> 8:15-16): 15 "After you have purified the Levites and presented them as a wave offering, they are to come to do their work at the Tent of Meeting. 16 They are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to me. I have taken them as my own in place of the firstborn, the first male offspring from every Israelite woman. The Levites were chosen by God to maintain the tabernacle in the middle of the wilderness and the different groups lived in tents surrounding it. Only the high priests were allowed to enter the tabernacle. People who were on the run for a crime could come to a Levite place for sanctuary and were spared. If they left, they could still be tried for their alleged crimes. However, once the high priest died, all of the people could leave and have their reputations restored. Could the hatch be a passage to a Pandora's Box or a Ark of the Covenant-type place?

16 as an overall number

Interesting how the transmission was picked up 16 years ago, but also how the lottery had not been won in 16 weeks...

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

8 & 15 ... 815 was the flight number of the place 4 people have been killed the french woman (chick) has been on the island for 16 years 42 survivors left what about the 23?

Numbers Numbers Numbers cont....
4-8-15-16-23-42=-100
4 - 8 - 1 - 5 - 1 - 6 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 2 = -28
numbers numbers numbers...
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Old 05-30-2005, 07:20 AM   #530 (permalink)
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not much to look at but its pretty cool. its a small teaser for the next season.

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Kind of a neat little nugget. It didn't show much, but it was cool that it was hidden and all. Kind of like an easter egg on the internet.
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:28 PM   #531 (permalink)
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From the above link: Spoiler: They're NOT the survivors they think they are?!?!? wtf?

That has so many possibilities, it makes me fairly giddy with anticipation.
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Old 05-30-2005, 04:59 PM   #532 (permalink)
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I don't think you need to spoiler it... it is a public trailer after all.

I'd like to speculate the following about They Are Not the Survivor's They Think they Are

1) They are all dead and this is the afterlife (highly unlikely)
2) There are other survivors from Flight 815 on the Island (Boone, just before the plunge, spoke into the radio, We're the survivors of flight 815... they he hears, WE'RE the survivors of Flight 815, I think they are contacting each other)
3) Are the survivors of some other flight... they boarded the wrong flight (based on odd numbers on the Oceanic Airways website)
4) They are not just random survivors. They have been brought there for a purpose.
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:52 PM   #533 (permalink)
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I don't know about this show anymore. The fact that I have no idea what is going on, even after the entire first season is over, kind of leaves me unsatisfied. Maybe that's the writer's idea of pushing the boundaries of television, but I don't really like it. I know some people do enjoy it and that's great, but it's not for me.
I probably won't watch this show again until it's all over and I can evaluate it as a whole. Until then, I just feel like I'm being strung along endlessly toward a conclusion that in the end may not be worth it.
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:38 AM   #534 (permalink)
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You are probably right about the conclusion... it will inevitably be unsatisfying. It's like anything. When you take away the mystery it just doesn't live up to the hype.

That said, I am enjoying the trip. I am enjoying the gradual unvieling of each character's back story, the way in which they all seem to be somehow connected to each other in some way... the way the mystery of the island is slowly being revealed.

I found the final episode unsatisfying but in a good way... Like an itch I can't scratch.
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Old 05-31-2005, 06:35 AM   #535 (permalink)
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Think of it as a Scooby Doo episode. The fact that it was Old Man Greenway dressed up in a Yeti costume isn't half as entertaining as the running around trying to discover who the Yeti was. Besides if all is revealed, then all that would be left of the show would be them trying to make a radio out of coconuts, and have celebrity guests who appear on the island.
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Old 05-31-2005, 07:39 AM   #536 (permalink)
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Lost seems to be doing what a great TV show should be doing. Keeping their viewers eagerly awaiting the following season, and leaving more questions to be answered during the next season. How interesting would season#2 be if we had seen the creature or discovered everything that was down in the hatch? i was a bit upset that it didnt really solve everything but it wet my appetite for the possibilities of Season #2
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:36 PM   #537 (permalink)
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I was re-watching X2: X-Men United just now, and to my eyes, Nightcrawler's leftover teleportation smoke looks like the creature's smoke in Lost.

Check it out yourselves and tell me what you think.
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:53 PM   #538 (permalink)
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How interesting would season#2 be if we had seen the creature or discovered everything that was down in the hatch?
I think the best approach for the finale would have been to pick *one* of the island's mysteries (say, the hatch, the monster, the "others", etc.), focus on it, then have it be "solved" or written away by the end of the episode.

I keep thinking about how The X-Files went about things. I didn't watch every season, but what I remember was that there were a handful of story archs that progressed through the seasons, and they kinda came and went. They weren't typically completely solved or explained, but there was at least a conclusion that made the storyline go away. I want Lost to do that. I really hope that the monster, or the hatch, or the "others" are storylines that don't last for the entire run of the show. I want there to be a conclusion to them, then have other mysteries come about to keep the survivors occupied.

I don't think that's too much too ask, and it would keep me interested in the show for much longer....
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Old 06-01-2005, 05:02 AM   #539 (permalink)
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I think the best approach for the finale would have been to pick *one* of the island's mysteries (say, the hatch, the monster, the "others", etc.), focus on it, then have it be "solved" or written away by the end of the episode.

I keep thinking about how The X-Files went about things. I didn't watch every season, but what I remember was that there were a handful of story archs that progressed through the seasons, and they kinda came and went. They weren't typically completely solved or explained, but there was at least a conclusion that made the storyline go away. I want Lost to do that. I really hope that the monster, or the hatch, or the "others" are storylines that don't last for the entire run of the show. I want there to be a conclusion to them, then have other mysteries come about to keep the survivors occupied.

I don't think that's too much too ask, and it would keep me interested in the show for much longer....
Well they kinda gave us more details about the hatch...by showing that it is just an exit (no external handle/hinges to enter from outside) to a underground area. I think the monster will be an ongoing plot development for most of the first half of Season#2.
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Old 06-14-2005, 01:58 PM   #540 (permalink)
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hmm, so i did some googling on what was said over the radio transmission. It looks like there's a lot controversy about this and no clear answers.

First of all, the captioning for the broadcast read "there were no survivors...".
However, a clip of the show that's posted on the Lost website appears to be very different from what was shown during the actual broadcast. On it, the person on the other end of the transmission echoes Boone (but in a different, less excited and more monotone voice) "Hello, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Relistening to the broadcast, both could make sense and its possible the show purposely jumbled the words in order to generate a little mystery about it.

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According to the TV Tome recap, the closed captioning for the person Boone was speaking to said, ""There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815!". Tv Tome is great for picking up all those little connections that are built into each show, especially if you're like me and tend to miss half of them each week because you're into the story.

Just in case anyone is still interested in this little bit of mystery, I happened to be looking through the May 29-June 4 of TVGuide and there is a Q&A with Lost creators JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof and they were asked about this very issue. Lindelof had this to say: "The words that Boone heard are definitely, "We're the survivors of Flight 815." That's also what Boone said, so it's up to the extrapolation as to whether or not his own words were being bounced back to him. Or is that transmission coming from somebody else claiming to be a survivor of Flight 815?".


I'm soo glad that's finally cleared up, now I know exactly what's going on.
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Thanks for the update, mrklixx.

Here are some more 2nd season spoilers from some of the cast members at a "Lost" convention in Burbank.

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An island of Losties
Like Trekkies before them, devoted fans of the current hit TV show find camaraderie at a convention.

By Roy Rivenburg, Times Staff Writer


What's inside the mysterious hatch on ABC's hit TV show "Lost"? Maybe a tunnel to Burbank, where a dozen cast and crew members surfaced over the weekend for the world's first official "Lost" convention.

In an event that was billed as "history in the making," fans hobnobbed with the show's stars, scooped up "Lost" merchandise and unearthed a few secrets about the cryptic series, which is like a cross between "Twilight Zone" and "Gilligan's Island."

The two-day convention was organized by Creation Entertainment, a Glendale company that also runs fan conventions for "Star Trek," "Xena" and other shows with cult followings.

Nobody wore costumes to this confab, unless you count the woman with the red blob of fake flesh attached to her shoulder. "It's a piece of Arzt," she explained, referring to the character who inadvertently blew himself up in the season finale.

Other "Losties," who paid as much as $189 per ticket, were just as ardent about the show. One asked actor John Terry, who plays the father of Jack, if he was "in need of female companionship." Terry said he was "happily married."

At the end of a Q&A session with several of the show's writers, one audience member shouted, "Don't kill Sawyer," referring to the island's hunky bad boy. Executive producer Damon Lindelof replied, "We won't. But he did get shot, which means his shirt will be off in a future episode." As female crowd members whooped, Lindelof added, "And he'll be wet" (Sawyer fell into the ocean after being shot).

Many of the audience questions focused on various conundrums from the Wednesday night show, which will move to 9 p.m. this fall. Set on a strange tropical island, the sci-fi series revolves around 14 survivors of a plane crash, and their encounters with an unseen monster, a polar bear, the wreckage of a 150-year-old slave ship and other oddities.

"Have any of you heard of string theory?" Terry asked at the beginning of his talk. "I think the characters have fallen into a tear in the fabric of the universe, and they're co-creating this reality." But, he added, "I really don't know. And even if I did know, I couldn't tell you or I'd have to kill every one of you."

It's a familiar refrain among the show's cast and crew.

"You learn to become artful about giving infuriatingly vague answers," writer Javier Grillo-Marxuach said backstage. "I don't even show the scripts to my wife."

He added, "Our fans are like Talmudic scholars. They have created a body of scholarship about every episode."

About a month after the series debuted, Grillo-Marxuach was walking his dog when a neighbor yelled from across the street, "Are they dead?" Grillo-Marxuach shouted back, "No, they're not dead." The neighbor replied, "Really? Then why are their clothes so clean?"

At the convention, Grillo-Marxuach and his colleagues dangled a handful of clues to fans. "The plane did not crash by accident," Lindelof told the crowd. "It crashed for a very specific reason." But he dismissed speculation that someone aboard the plane caused the crash. "I will tell you today that is not the case."

He also promised, "Season 2 is gonna get weird" — though he and other writers promised the mysteries wouldn't drag on as long as "The X Files," which ran nine seasons.

Other tidbits:

What's inside the mysterious hatch will be interesting, but not as interesting as the effect it has on the John Locke character, according to Grillo-Marxuach.

The rear section of the plane — and additional survivors — will be discovered during the second season.

The people who kidnapped Walt, the young boy, are the "others" on the island.

Eight infants have played the newborn son of Claire on the show. "They keep growing," so new ones have to be brought in, said Emilie de Ravin, who plays Claire. "It's a constant struggle to find newborn Caucasian babies in Hawaii," where the show is taped.

Fans came from as far away as Toronto, Brooklyn and Alaska for the convention, but Creation Entertainment officials admitted they were disappointed by the turnout. Although they had hoped for a crowd of 1,000, actual attendance was closer to 800, they estimated. Even that might be generous, judging from Sunday's crowd. The ballroom, with seating for 280, was never full.

One fan, Marianna Anderson, blamed the weak attendance on a shortage of marquee names, such as the actors who play Jack, Kate or Sawyer. Organizers did recruit De Ravin and Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley. But after that, the speaker lineup went to such second-tier characters as evil Ethan (William Mapother), and the psychic who warned Claire about her baby (Nick Jameson, a former member of the rock group Foghat).

The fans didn't seem to mind. Many crept up the center aisle on their knees to snap photos while the actors spoke. They also stood in a long line for autographs, and bought $25 T-shirts and caps, $40 canvas posters, $8 stainless steel shot glasses and $130 "Lost" jackets.

At one point, Terry was asked to sign a photo using his character's name. He paused, searching his memory. "Christian Shephard," the woman offered. Is that with one "p" or two, he asked. Someone pulled out a program and supplied the correct spelling.

Convention organizers said the weekend event was the first of six "Lost" gatherings planned for the next year. The next will be held in Northern California sometime before the end of 2005, they said.
It says things are going to get weird next season.

They better up the ante then if they are only just now going to get weird.


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I am really happy they are moving the show to a 9pm slot... 8pm is just really inconvenient...
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new news on next season

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ABC programming chief Stephen McPherson revealed Tuesday that fans of Lost will get to find out what is in the hatch on the popular series' second season premiere. Reuters reports:

McPherson said that on this season's premiere of "Lost" in September, viewers and the show's cast of plane crash survivors will discover what lies inside "the hatch" -- a mysterious portal on the fictional island where they are marooned.

Near the end of the show's first season, the castaways blew open the hatch to find a ladder leading down a dark hole. "You will find out what's in the hatch, and it's not something like, 'Oh, look, there's another ladder,"' McPherson said.
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Excellent. They must have realised they pissed a bunch of people off by showing nothing in the finale hehe.
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Old 07-27-2005, 05:11 PM   #545 (permalink)
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all they are going to show is at the bottom of the ladder is a dark hallway....cue season 3
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:17 PM   #546 (permalink)
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Ultimately, they'll meet up with the good witch of the South (of France) who will kindly inform them that they could've gotten home at any time by clicking their heels together three times...
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:24 PM   #547 (permalink)
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i cant wait till season 2 starts... i wanna know whats down the hatch!
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:52 AM   #548 (permalink)
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they'll find out it's not an island but a peninsula or something (I mean.. they haven't walked around the thing yet, have they?)

That or they'll find out it was all staged for a reality TV show.
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:20 AM   #549 (permalink)
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Like the Truman Show.

And then for season 3 they'll bring in a bunch B or C list Celebrities, put them on a deserted island, or maybe in a fancy mansion, and leave them there for us to watch their every move. Oh it should be juicy! The hijinx should be uproarious!
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or they introduce a new actor on the show....wilson the vollyball

but seriously cant wait till the next season...its gonna be frickin' sweet
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