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guthmund · 04-01-2005, 03:48 PM

Even if they found nothing, why would they assume there were no survivors? Why wouldn't flight 518 (I think that's what the guy said) be assumed still missing? To say with such finality that there were no survivors implies, to me at least, that wreckage was found, survivors searched for, and conclusions drawn.

Maybe I'm reading too much into one little, hard-to-hear line from some random guy on the radio?

At least in the next few shows, we might get to find out what the hell is behind the hatch, eh?

Locke is certainly the most interesting character on the show and his back story was pretty good, but it didn't explain why he was in the wheelchair in the first place, which is what I wanted to know. Locke is one strange dude, no doubt about it. He seems to have encyclopedias worth of knowledge lodged in his head, but seems to be pretty stupid concerning the world and how it really works. How naive do you have to be give a relative stranger a kidney? Even if he is your father, Locke hardly knew the guy.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but I like to have some history under my belt with someone before I make the decision to volunteer a vital body organ.

Did anybody notice the book Sawyer was reading? A Wrinkle in Time. My grade school literature may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't that about the relationship of time and space?

I wonder if they put the writers put that book there on purpose.

TexanAvenger · 04-01-2005, 04:41 PM

Same conclusion on the radio message... strange.

I noticed the book too... though not sure how exactly to read that in way of its meaning.

maleficent · 04-01-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by guthmund

Did anybody notice the book Sawyer was reading? A Wrinkle in Time. My grade school literature may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't that about the relationship of time and space?

Interesting - in the first episode he was reading Richard Adams' Watership Down... the trite explanation of the book is a "tale of a hardy band of adventurers forced to flee the destruction of their fragile community...and their trials and triumphs in the face of extraordinary adversity as they pursue a glorious dream called "home.""

maximusveritas · 04-01-2005, 08:36 PM

hmm, so i did some googling on what was said over the radio transmission. It looks like there's a lot controversy about this and no clear answers.

First of all, the captioning for the broadcast read "there were no survivors...".
However, a clip of the show that's posted on the Lost website appears to be very different from what was shown during the actual broadcast. On it, the person on the other end of the transmission echoes Boone (but in a different, less excited and more monotone voice) "Hello, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Relistening to the broadcast, both could make sense and its possible the show purposely jumbled the words in order to generate a little mystery about it.

Gilda · 04-01-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

Interesting - in the first episode he was reading Richard Adams' Watership Down... the trite explanation of the book is a "tale of a hardy band of adventurers forced to flee the destruction of their fragile community...and their trials and triumphs in the face of extraordinary adversity as they pursue a glorious dream called "home.""

Heh. That's an excellent description of Mrs. Frisby and thre Rats of NIMH also, which has some interesting parallels to the situation of the people on the island.

I read on a tv board some time ago where there was some speculation regarding the comic book the kid was reading, and the writers said, rather cryptically, that it was carefully chosen.

I think part of Locke's encyclopeadic knowledge of wilderness survival is due to his preparation for the Walkabout he signed up for, and the latest flashback seems to indicate that he's got a great aptitutde for such things--downing a bird the first time he fires a shot while hunting--but I think a big part of it comes from the island itself. It's giving his natural aptitudes and abilities a boost, just like it's done with his legs.

Oh, and my official prediction for what the hatch in the jungle floor is (not taken from a spoiler site or anything, just my WAG): It's the hatch to an alien spacecraft, a huge one buried under the island, and the aliens have been trying to lure someone vulnerable to the island--through the numbers, and other means--for decades, and finally found the right person in Locke.

Fremen · 04-02-2005, 12:09 AM

Gilda, that sounds like a good theory to me, except the craftsmanship looks earthmade, and didn't we see the numbers printed on the outside of the hatch somewhere?
They were definitely regular old earth numbers, too.

guthmund · 04-02-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

Interesting - in the first episode he was reading Richard Adams' Watership Down...

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Originally Posted by gilda

I read on a tv board some time ago where there was some speculation regarding the comic book the kid was reading, and the writers said, rather cryptically, that it was carefully chosen.

Hmmm. Maybe the choice of books wasn't willy-nilly after all. That is very interesting. I'll have to pay very close attention to future episodes....

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Originally Posted by maximusveritas

hmm, so i did some googling on what was said over the radio transmission. It looks like there's a lot controversy about this and no clear answers.

First of all, the captioning for the broadcast read "there were no survivors...".
However, a clip of the show that's posted on the Lost website appears to be very different from what was shown during the actual broadcast. On it, the person on the other end of the transmission echoes Boone (but in a different, less excited and more monotone voice) "Hello, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Relistening to the broadcast, both could make sense and its possible the show purposely jumbled the words in order to generate a little mystery about it.

Taking into consideration the choice of literature on the island...Maybe the folks on the island are experiencing some time wrinkle action. Maybe Boone was talking was talking to himself?

As if this show wasn't confusing enough.

Moskie · 04-02-2005, 09:21 AM

My first inclination as to who Boone was talking to, was that he was communicating with the pilot of their own plane, in the past as it was still flying.

Doesn't really make much sense, given what was apparently said, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind.

Daoust · 04-05-2005, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Moskie

My first inclination as to who Boone was talking to, was that he was communicating with the pilot of their own plane, in the past as it was still flying.

Doesn't really make much sense, given what was apparently said, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind.

Wow. That's a messed up, and likely improbably theory. It's too intellectual. You have to remember that TV shows are for dumb people. Prime time drama's are not for the thinkers. They're for the couch potato. I agree that shows like 24 ( and perhaps other shows (on HBO or specialty channels) that I don't know about because I don't have fancy cable) are becoming more geared to the thinker, but I just don't think Lost fits into that category. Of course, you're welcome to disagree.

Moskie · 04-05-2005, 04:19 AM

I'll half agree with you, that who the show's lowest common denominator is does have to be considered. I'm also admittedly guilty of mental masturbation from time to time, in that I spend too much time thinking about stuff that probably doesn't deserve that much effort. But who said masturbation was a bad thing?

And compared to other shows, I'd say Lost is on the intellectual side of things. At least parts of the show have been. Walt comes to mind... what are his powers, exactly? Did he manifest that polar bear himself? Hints like that keep us guessing. And that's why the jury is still out on Lost. The show has had its viewers come up with some pretty wacky theories as to what's going on (theories like that they are in purgatory), but it's yet to really deliver anything tangible. And if they never do, they'll lose viewers like me who *have* spent some time thinking about the show. So I guess it just remains to be seen... how ever they answer the unanswered will show who the show is really for, I guess.

Hmph, an effective way to get people to watch, no?

Daoust · 04-05-2005, 07:52 AM

In case this hasn't yet been posted, it's a summary of all the theories of what could be happening on Lost:
The article comes from Dose - Canada's newest magazine.

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Lost in Thought

Jennifer McDonnell
Dose

What’s up with that island? Fans of Lost are becoming increasingly aware that all is not as it seems in the tropical paradise the castaways now call home. Web forums are buzzing with guesses about what’s really happening on the island. Here’s a look at some of the most popular theories among viewers. Talk about them in our message board.

SPOILER WARNING: The following is pure speculation, but it’s possible that parts of these theories may turn out to be valid. So if you don’t want to know, stop reading RIGHT NOW!

1) They’re All Dead
The plane crash left no survivors, and the remaining 48 castaways are really just lost souls stuck in limbo, unable to move on until they make peace with themselves.
Why It’s Good: If there was ever a group of people who have to work out their personal issues before passing on, it’s these guys. Kate and Sawyer need to atone for their crimes, Jack has to make amends with his dad, Jin wants Sun’s forgiveness, etc.
Why It’s Stupid: If everyone’s dead, are the people who continue to die "more dead?" And what about the people who croaked immediately after the crash? We’re guessing the dude who got sucked into the jet engine didn’t have enough time to do any serious soul cleansing.

2) It’s All a Dream
The plane crash never really happened; we’re just witnessing the dream of someone who ate too much spicy food before bed.
Why It’s Good: A commercial jetliner crashes into the ocean, and 48 people manage to walk away relatively unscratched? The implausibility of it all lends credit to the theory that it’s not really happening. Plus, dreams are where the impossible comes to life: You can chat with your dead dad, find that long-lost guitar you’ve been searching for, and step out of your wheelchair.
Why It’s Stupid: Who’s the person dreaming all this messed up stuff? Is it just a housewife in the mid-west fantasizing about a shirtless Matthew Fox?

3) They’re Trapped in an Alternate Reality
The crash occurred because the plane flew through a wormhole, and the survivors are the only ones who made it into the next dimension.
Why It’s Good: An alternate reality would also explain a lot of the weirdness. Perhaps the noises they keep hearing in the jungle are the sounds of the portal opening. It may also explain all of the incredible coincidences. Take Hurley’s lottery jackpot, for example. The winning numbers add up to 48, the exact number of survivors. They also happen to be the same numbers that are etched on Locke’s mysterious hatch. If you take them as longitude/latitude readings, they pinpoint a spot in Nigeria, which is the origin of the crashed plane Locke and Boone found. And if you check out the opposing coordinates, you’ll notice they point to a spot in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, which is where the survivors apparently crashed.
Why It’s Stupid: It’s doubtful that Lost’s creators would risk angering the audience by suddenly turning it into a sci-fi show.

4) They’re Part of a Government Experiment
The castaways are secretly being observed by a government/military group.
Why It’s Good: The crash is a great way to study how humans react under extreme circumstances. The mysterious French woman could be working for them, acting as their on-ground puppet master.
Why It’s Stupid: An elaborate government hoax would be pretty lame. Plus, the flashbacks continue to reveal connections the survivors had before the crash (i.e.- Sawyer met Jack’s dad, Hurley’s lottery win announcement was playing on Jin’s TV), that couldn’t have been planned by a shadowy Big Brother.

5) It’s All About the Boy
Walt may look like an innocent little kid, but he’s really controlling the group.
Why It’s Good: We already know that Walt is no ordinary child. He reads a comic book about a polar bear, and suddenly there’s one terrorizing the island. He does a homework assignment on birds, and then one crashes into the window.
Why It’s Stupid: If Walt is controlling them, it appears that he has no idea. Also, Walt doesn’t seem very happy about certain things that are happening on the island (like his dad building the raft).

6) It’s Group Wish Fulfillment
The crash happened because they all wished for it.
Why It’s Good: None of the survivors wanted to make it to their final destination when they boarded that plane. Kate was going to jail, Jack was headed to his dad’s funeral, Claire was getting ready to give up her baby.
Why It’s Stupid: If they had the power to bring down the plane, they’d also have the power to make a rescue crew appear (or at least an endless supply of toilet paper).

7) It’s a Real-Life Scenario
All of the above theories are the product of viewers with too much time on their hands. It’s just a group of people on an ordinary island, trying to survive.
Why It’s Good: We’ve grown to love these characters, and if it turns out that they’re all dead or imaginary, ABC will have a lot of angry viewers on their hands.
Why It’s Stupid: Coincidences are fine, but there’s too many for this theory to make sense. As co-creator Damon Lindelof told Entertainment Weekly: "The last thing we would ever do on Lost is be illogical."

Daoust · 04-07-2005, 07:57 AM

What the crap? Is nobody watching this show anymore??? How could there be no comments? It's already noon EST. Where are you folks? Did you like it? Did you love it? Was it believable?

The whole give a life/take a life thing was pretty obvious, I thought. And I thought that Boones sister was a little cold. But it was a good show. I liked it a lot. Any one else see it or was something else on?

How do you think the finale's gonna go down?

astrahl · 04-07-2005, 08:02 AM

Ticked me off that they went on that O negative blood might send an A negative person into shock, scientific BS is what that was.

Lockjaw · 04-07-2005, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

What the crap? Is nobody watching this show anymore??? How could there be no comments? It's already noon EST. Where are you folks? Did you like it? Did you love it? Was it believable?

The whole give a life/take a life thing was pretty obvious, I thought. And I thought that Boones sister was a little cold. But it was a good show. I liked it a lot. Any one else see it or was something else on?

How do you think the finale's gonna go down?

I'm still in mourning. Boune dogging was my boy.

You my boy Boune! All we are is dust in the wind....

And is it just me but does that baby look evil?

Seething · 04-07-2005, 12:00 PM

I had read part of an interview with JJ Abrahms, and he said one of the castaways would die before the end of season one. So I wasn't surprised when Boune died.

I was, however, surprised to find out Jack was (is?) married. I hadn't noticed a single thing in previous episodes that would lead us to believe he was. That's also why I think he's no longer married to her. Either that, or he's more of a playa than we thought.

The previews for the coming weeks show Locke getting shot. I honestly don't think Locke will die as well, as he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the island. But who knows.

Cynthetiq · 04-07-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

What the crap? Is nobody watching this show anymore??? How could there be no comments? It's already noon EST. Where are you folks? Did you like it? Did you love it? Was it believable?

The whole give a life/take a life thing was pretty obvious, I thought. And I thought that Boones sister was a little cold. But it was a good show. I liked it a lot. Any one else see it or was something else on?

How do you think the finale's gonna go down?

my life thru Tivo

I'm about 3 weeks behind.

TexanAvenger · 04-07-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw

I'm still in mourning. Boune dogging was my boy.

You my boy Boune! All we are is dust in the wind....

And is it just me but does that baby look evil?

Well... Jack's dad didn't stay strictly dead...

And I think the baby's interesting in that it was born on the island... It doesn't have all the societal influences the others have.

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Originally Posted by Seething

The previews for the coming weeks show Locke getting shot. I honestly don't think Locke will die as well, as he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the island. But who knows.

I dunno... as of late (last episode) his knowledge seemed to be falling apart... even if he did get them to turn on the light for him.

Dingo2879 · 04-08-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Seething

The previews for the coming weeks show Locke getting shot. I honestly don't think Locke will die as well, as he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the island. But who knows.

Maybe it was'nt Locke who is shot. Maybe whoever turned on the light in the hatch let him in, and maybe it could be those who inhabit the island portraying Locke, and Locke is actually being held prisoner.

Gilda · 04-08-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Moskie

My first inclination as to who Boone was talking to, was that he was communicating with the pilot of their own plane, in the past as it was still flying.

Doesn't really make much sense, given what was apparently said, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind.

According to the TV Tome recap, the closed captioning for the person Boone was speaking to said, ""There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815!". Tv Tome is great for picking up all those little connections that are built into each show, especially if you're like me and tend to miss half of them each week because you're into the story.

Jesus Pimp · 04-08-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by astrahl

Ticked me off that they went on that O negative blood might send an A negative person into shock, scientific BS is what that was.

Um they wouldn't of been able to tell anyway.

maleficent · 04-10-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Averett

I cannot wait for the DVD. I'm hoping that they pump that baby out before Season 2 starts.
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DVD will be available Sept 6, 2005 - Preordering on Amazon now:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...769440-8583128

guthmund · 04-10-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by maximusveritas

hmm, so i did some googling on what was said over the radio transmission. It looks like there's a lot controversy about this and no clear answers.

First of all, the captioning for the broadcast read "there were no survivors...".
However, a clip of the show that's posted on the Lost website appears to be very different from what was shown during the actual broadcast. On it, the person on the other end of the transmission echoes Boone (but in a different, less excited and more monotone voice) "Hello, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."

Relistening to the broadcast, both could make sense and its possible the show purposely jumbled the words in order to generate a little mystery about it.

I was watching the preview for the new episode and, you're right, it clearly says "We're the survivors of flight 815." During the episode and even after watching it several times, I couldn't make it out, but on the preview it is as clear as the day is long.

Now here's where it gets interesting, for me at least.

The guy on the radio sounded like Boone. So if ourBoone was talking to another Boone, then there would be at least two different Boones. It's not that far a stretch to presume that there are other Jacks, Lockes, Kates, Sawyers, etc.... Maybe even a whole lot of them. So what are they? Where the hell are they? Different dimensions? That's certainly interesting considering Sawyer's reading material as of late.

There's lots of places to take this. I'll posit just a few. What if it doesn't matter that Boone died? What if another Boone just shows up? What if, like dingo suggested, the Locke shot isn't our Locke? Not some instrument of evil, but just another Locke from somewhere else. For the Stephen King fans out there, I'm talking "walk-ins."

TexanAvenger · 04-12-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by guthmund

There's lots of places to take this. I'll posit just a few. What if it doesn't matter that Boone died? What if another Boone just shows up? What if, like dingo suggested, the Locke shot isn't our Locke? Not some instrument of evil, but just another Locke from somewhere else. For the Stephen King fans out there, I'm talking "walk-ins."

I guess we'll know if we start seeing Sawyer reading the Dark Tower Series next...

JStrider · 04-13-2005, 04:41 PM

ARRRRRRRGHRHRHRHRHRHR

my buddy and I sat down and were gettin all ready to watch the new episode... and its a rerun!!! ARRRRRRRG!

TexanAvenger · 04-13-2005, 06:29 PM

^ you too, huh?

Moskie · 04-13-2005, 08:30 PM

good, I wasn't the only one confused... I thought there was going to be a new episode tonight as well. Did I misunderstand what the commercials said, or did they change things around?

warrrreagl · 04-14-2005, 04:15 AM

They've been showing previews of the "new" episode for a week now. And we apparently have to wait a MONTH to see it?

mrklixx · 04-14-2005, 08:57 AM

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They've been showing previews of the "new" episode for a week now. And we apparently have to wait a MONTH to see it?

Yeah, what is up with their scheduling?? I think they may lose some casual viewers with these "extended hiatuses".

So apparently there is going to be a "recap" episode on 4/27 and then the final 4 episodes May 4,11, 18, 25.

Gilda · 04-14-2005, 08:08 PM

The scheduling is designed to make sure that new episodes show in May. May is a sweeps month, which is when tv shows' ratings determine the rates they can charge for ads. This is why you always get new episodes in November, February, and May.

Another factor is the shrinking season. For decades, until roughly the late 80's, IIRC, the standard tv season was 26 episodes long; half the year. 26 episodes ensures a pretty straight run of new episdes froma premiere in September to a finale in May if you take into account lost weeks for Thanksgiving and Christmas. It began shrinking as ratings went down in the 90's and actors' salaries skyrocketed. The standard network order nowdays is 22 episodes.

Do the math. You need four new episodes each for the three sweeps months of November, February, and May. That's 12. You need to start the season with 3 or 4 new episodes to get viewers hooked. That's 16. That leaves you six episodes to spread out for the remainder of the year, resulting in a lot of reruns. I love what they did with 24; starting in January to ensure a straight uninterrupted run.

tricks · 04-18-2005, 12:15 AM

I assumed that it was to be a 2hr. season finale, since that's what they said in the commercials.....

Latch · 04-18-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

Yeah, what is up with their scheduling?? I think they may lose some casual viewers with these "extended hiatuses".

Can Lost have a casual viewer? hehe, it seems like the type of show where you're either hooked, or you're not.

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I love what they did with 24; starting in January to ensure a straight uninterrupted run.

That's a great idea.. every now and then you see the networks doing something good for the viewer, and not just going for money (the sweeps situation).

Nancy · 04-19-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by guthmund

Even if they found nothing, why would they assume there were no survivors? Why wouldn't flight 518 (I think that's what the guy said) be assumed still missing? To say with such finality that there were no survivors implies, to me at least, that wreckage was found, survivors searched for, and conclusions drawn.

Maybe I'm reading too much into one little, hard-to-hear line from some random guy on the radio?

At least in the next few shows, we might get to find out what the hell is behind the hatch, eh?

Locke is certainly the most interesting character on the show and his back story was pretty good, but it didn't explain why he was in the wheelchair in the first place, which is what I wanted to know. Locke is one strange dude, no doubt about it. He seems to have encyclopedias worth of knowledge lodged in his head, but seems to be pretty stupid concerning the world and how it really works. How naive do you have to be give a relative stranger a kidney? Even if he is your father, Locke hardly knew the guy.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but I like to have some history under my belt with someone before I make the decision to volunteer a vital body organ.

Did anybody notice the book Sawyer was reading? A Wrinkle in Time. My grade school literature may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't that about the relationship of time and space?

I wonder if they put the writers put that book there on purpose.

Jesus is there a thing you don't notice?!

Have you guys been discussing Jack's tattos already? I can't seem to find a discussion about that topic anywhere in this thread. Do you guys think his Egyptian-like tattoos has something to do with the island?

Nancy · 04-20-2005, 12:03 AM

I found this entry on a discussion of Lost on IMDB:

"I can't find it again on the internet but I read the "Lost" producers/writers stated the show is a remake of classic 50's sci-fi Forbidden Planet and its source material Shakesperes "The Tempest"

Forbidden Planet IMDB plot summary.
When Adams and his crew are sent to investigate the silence from a planet inhabited by scientists, he finds all but two have died. Dr. Morbius and his daughter Altaira have somehow survived a hideous monster which roams the planet. Unknown to Adams, Morbius has made a discovery, and has no intention of sharing it (or his daughter!) with anyone.

Forgetting the plane crash element for a mo. Island with scientists as only survivers. All but two that is, who are still there despiste a hideous monster which roams the island. Locke has made a discovery he has no intention of sharing it with anyone.
Anyone who can remember the film forbidden planet will remember that the monster was created through the imagination of those on the planet manifested with a hugely powerful machine. It was built and left under the ground (hatch) by a long extinct alien race. What happened when walt read the comic book with a polar bear in it. The polar bear was manifested. Children have very vivid imagination therefore he can make things happen on the island if he can see it in his head (eg.throwing the knife perfectly). The walt did this through the machine. Also everyone elses fears and wishes have been manifested.

The Tempest (1979) IMDB plot summary
Prospero, a potent necromancer, lives on a desolate isle with his virginal daughter, Miranda. He's in exile, banished from his duchy by his usurping brother and the King of Naples. Providence brings these enemies near; aided by his vessel the spirit Ariel, Prospero conjures a tempest to wreck the Italian ship. The king's son, thinking all others lost, becomes Prospero's prisoner, falling in love with Miranda and she with him. Prospero's brother and the king wander the island, as do a drunken cook and sailor, who conspire with Caliban, Prospero's beastly slave, to murder Prospero. Prospero wants reason to triumph, Ariel wants his freedom, Miranda a husband; the sailors want to dance.

Providence definition: an influence which is not human in origin and is thought to control whether or not people receive the things which they need

I am not saying this is exact or anything they clearly have done their own thing and it's a series not a 2 hour film/play so there is more stuff in "Lost". The people on the "wrecked italian ship" are the subject, rather than whoever/what it was who created "the tempest". There is clearly a "prospero" kind of thing on the island as there is purpose behind why those specific people were on the plane and the all events after the crash.

You have to disreguard this a dream or they are all dead and in puragtory, which, if true would a very annoying crap answer to it all. It also wouldn't leave much scope for a continuing series. They have to be in the real world. That with the slightly sci-fi looking hatch with unbreakable glass would indicate to me as being an alien related answer. So a machine it is and not a ariel spirit thing. There is a mystical element to everything though, claires card reading guy, the numbers, everyones connections to one another so maybe its both.

At the moment the series doesn't have the scope and blantant scifi/magical element to it. I think it will change alot when they have put some more solid answers on the table it might go a bit crap because of that. Half the fun of the show is that we have no clue as to what is going on.

What are others thoughts on this. (It's not anything to do with purgatory don't bring it up, that ship has sunk)"

Interesting. Veeeery interesting

mrklixx · 04-20-2005, 05:11 AM

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Have you guys been discussing Jack's tattos already? I can't seem to find a discussion about that topic anywhere in this thread. Do you guys think his Egyptian-like tattoos has something to do with the island?

From what I understand, those are Matthew Fox's actual tattoos. After a bit of research, it seems that they are four Chinese characters "鹰击长空" （"Hawks flying in the sky" from a poem of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (onetime Communist ruler of China).

And apparently it's significance to Mr. Fox is something that he never discusses in interviews.

If the writers plan to work it int the script remains to be seen, however they did blot it out in one of Jack's flashback scenes.

Nancy · 04-20-2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mrklixx

From what I understand, those are Matthew Fox's actual tattoos. After a bit of research, it seems that they are four Chinese characters "????" ?"Hawks flying in the sky" from a poem of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung (onetime Communist ruler of China).

And apparently it's significance to Mr. Fox is something that he never discusses in interviews.

If the writers plan to work it int the script remains to be seen, however they did blot it out in one of Jack's flashback scenes.

Oooohhh I see, thanks for the info!!

If they really did blot it out in the flashback scenes then it must have some sort of significance, it MUST HAVE!

JStrider · 04-20-2005, 08:33 AM

another rerun tonite...blarg.. stupid reruns...

and next week looks like its some kind of recap episode...

grumble...grumble...

Fremen · 04-25-2005, 12:11 AM

I just ran into this article on http://www.comingsoon.net about a new face on Lost, on the last episode of this season.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news.php?id=9298

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Spoiler: A New Face Gets Lost
Source: TV Guide April 22, 2005

TV Guide has the scoop on which actress will be introduced in hot ABC show Lost during the finale next month.

Turns out there was a movie star on board Oceanic Flight 815 when it crashed last fall. Michelle Rodriguez (Girlfight, Resident Evil, S.W.A.T.) will be introduced in the flashback-heavy season finale next month as a fellow passenger who befriends Matthew Fox's Jack prior to takeoff.

New episodes will start again on May 4th with the 2-hour finale on May 18th.

Wonder what happened to her...

Grancey · 04-25-2005, 06:50 AM

I read about that also. Not knowing how successful the show would be, I'm assuming the writers did not put as much as they might have into the original backgrounds of the characters. Now they can do all the tweaking they want, and it only gets better.

JStrider · 05-04-2005, 04:47 PM

bump

new episode is most of the way over for my time zone... pretty good so far...

i'll wait to discuss it till its shown in other time zones

Seething · 05-04-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Seething

The previews for the coming weeks show Locke getting shot. I honestly don't think Locke will die as well, as he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the island. But who knows.

Aha! I was right. And Saiyed(sp?) even said why as well. Interesting episode, but nothing that made it stand out. Now that sweeps have started, I have somewhere I have to be on Wednesday nights.

04-01-2005, 03:48 PM	#441 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	Even if they found nothing, why would they assume there were no survivors? Why wouldn't flight 518 (I think that's what the guy said) be assumed still missing? To say with such finality that there were no survivors implies, to me at least, that wreckage was found, survivors searched for, and conclusions drawn. Maybe I'm reading too much into one little, hard-to-hear line from some random guy on the radio? At least in the next few shows, we might get to find out what the hell is behind the hatch, eh? Locke is certainly the most interesting character on the show and his back story was pretty good, but it didn't explain why he was in the wheelchair in the first place, which is what I wanted to know. Locke is one strange dude, no doubt about it. He seems to have encyclopedias worth of knowledge lodged in his head, but seems to be pretty stupid concerning the world and how it really works. How naive do you have to be give a relative stranger a kidney? Even if he is your father, Locke hardly knew the guy. Maybe I'm a cynic, but I like to have some history under my belt with someone before I make the decision to volunteer a vital body organ. Did anybody notice the book Sawyer was reading? A Wrinkle in Time. My grade school literature may be a little fuzzy, but wasn't that about the relationship of time and space? I wonder if they put the writers put that book there on purpose. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.

04-02-2005, 12:09 AM	#446 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Gilda, that sounds like a good theory to me, except the craftsmanship looks earthmade, and didn't we see the numbers printed on the outside of the hatch somewhere? They were definitely regular old earth numbers, too. __________________ Google

04-02-2005, 09:21 AM	#448 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	My first inclination as to who Boone was talking to, was that he was communicating with the pilot of their own plane, in the past as it was still flying. Doesn't really make much sense, given what was apparently said, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind. __________________ Greetings and salutations.

04-05-2005, 04:19 AM	#450 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	I'll half agree with you, that who the show's lowest common denominator is does have to be considered. I'm also admittedly guilty of mental masturbation from time to time, in that I spend too much time thinking about stuff that probably doesn't deserve that much effort. But who said masturbation was a bad thing? And compared to other shows, I'd say Lost is on the intellectual side of things. At least parts of the show have been. Walt comes to mind... what are his powers, exactly? Did he manifest that polar bear himself? Hints like that keep us guessing. And that's why the jury is still out on Lost. The show has had its viewers come up with some pretty wacky theories as to what's going on (theories like that they are in purgatory), but it's yet to really deliver anything tangible. And if they never do, they'll lose viewers like me who have spent some time thinking about the show. So I guess it just remains to be seen... how ever they answer the unanswered will show who the show is really for, I guess. Hmph, an effective way to get people to watch, no? __________________ Greetings and salutations.

04-07-2005, 07:57 AM	#452 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	What the crap? Is nobody watching this show anymore??? How could there be no comments? It's already noon EST. Where are you folks? Did you like it? Did you love it? Was it believable? The whole give a life/take a life thing was pretty obvious, I thought. And I thought that Boones sister was a little cold. But it was a good show. I liked it a lot. Any one else see it or was something else on? How do you think the finale's gonna go down? __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

04-01-2005, 04:41 PM	#442 (permalink)
TexanAvenger Born-Again New Guy Location: Unfound.	Same conclusion on the radio message... strange. I noticed the book too... though not sure how exactly to read that in way of its meaning.

04-01-2005, 08:36 PM	#444 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	hmm, so i did some googling on what was said over the radio transmission. It looks like there's a lot controversy about this and no clear answers. First of all, the captioning for the broadcast read "there were no survivors...". However, a clip of the show that's posted on the Lost website appears to be very different from what was shown during the actual broadcast. On it, the person on the other end of the transmission echoes Boone (but in a different, less excited and more monotone voice) "Hello, we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." Relistening to the broadcast, both could make sense and its possible the show purposely jumbled the words in order to generate a little mystery about it.

04-07-2005, 08:02 AM	#453 (permalink)
astrahl Insane Location: You don't want to live here	Ticked me off that they went on that O negative blood might send an A negative person into shock, scientific BS is what that was. __________________ Maybe it was over when she chucked me out the Rover at full speed. Maybe Maybe... ~a-Ha

04-07-2005, 12:00 PM	#455 (permalink)
Seething Insane	I had read part of an interview with JJ Abrahms, and he said one of the castaways would die before the end of season one. So I wasn't surprised when Boune died. I was, however, surprised to find out Jack was (is?) married. I hadn't noticed a single thing in previous episodes that would lead us to believe he was. That's also why I think he's no longer married to her. Either that, or he's more of a playa than we thought. The previews for the coming weeks show Locke getting shot. I honestly don't think Locke will die as well, as he seems to be the most knowledgeable about the island. But who knows. __________________ Common sense is uncommon. Ironic, isn't it?

04-13-2005, 04:41 PM	#464 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	ARRRRRRRGHRHRHRHRHRHR my buddy and I sat down and were gettin all ready to watch the new episode... and its a rerun!!! ARRRRRRRG! __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

04-13-2005, 06:29 PM	#465 (permalink)
TexanAvenger Born-Again New Guy Location: Unfound.	^ you too, huh?

04-13-2005, 08:30 PM	#466 (permalink)
Moskie Pure Chewing Satisfaction Location: can i use bbcode [i]here[/i]?	good, I wasn't the only one confused... I thought there was going to be a new episode tonight as well. Did I misunderstand what the commercials said, or did they change things around? __________________ Greetings and salutations.

04-14-2005, 04:15 AM	#467 (permalink)
warrrreagl pinche vato Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton	They've been showing previews of the "new" episode for a week now. And we apparently have to wait a MONTH to see it? __________________ Living is easy with eyes closed.

04-14-2005, 08:08 PM	#469 (permalink)
Gilda 32 flavors and then some Location: Out on a wire.	The scheduling is designed to make sure that new episodes show in May. May is a sweeps month, which is when tv shows' ratings determine the rates they can charge for ads. This is why you always get new episodes in November, February, and May. Another factor is the shrinking season. For decades, until roughly the late 80's, IIRC, the standard tv season was 26 episodes long; half the year. 26 episodes ensures a pretty straight run of new episdes froma premiere in September to a finale in May if you take into account lost weeks for Thanksgiving and Christmas. It began shrinking as ratings went down in the 90's and actors' salaries skyrocketed. The standard network order nowdays is 22 episodes. Do the math. You need four new episodes each for the three sweeps months of November, February, and May. That's 12. You need to start the season with 3 or 4 new episodes to get viewers hooked. That's 16. That leaves you six episodes to spread out for the remainder of the year, resulting in a lot of reruns. I love what they did with 24; starting in January to ensure a straight uninterrupted run. __________________ I'm against ending blackness. I believe that everyone has a right to be black, it's a choice, and I support that. ~Steven Colbert

04-18-2005, 12:15 AM	#470 (permalink)
tricks Crazy	I assumed that it was to be a 2hr. season finale, since that's what they said in the commercials..... __________________ People Are Stupid. People can be made to believe any lie, either because they want it to be true or because they fear that it is.

04-20-2005, 12:03 AM	#473 (permalink)
Nancy Femme Fatale Location: Elysium	I found this entry on a discussion of Lost on IMDB: "I can't find it again on the internet but I read the "Lost" producers/writers stated the show is a remake of classic 50's sci-fi Forbidden Planet and its source material Shakesperes "The Tempest" Forbidden Planet IMDB plot summary. When Adams and his crew are sent to investigate the silence from a planet inhabited by scientists, he finds all but two have died. Dr. Morbius and his daughter Altaira have somehow survived a hideous monster which roams the planet. Unknown to Adams, Morbius has made a discovery, and has no intention of sharing it (or his daughter!) with anyone. Forgetting the plane crash element for a mo. Island with scientists as only survivers. All but two that is, who are still there despiste a hideous monster which roams the island. Locke has made a discovery he has no intention of sharing it with anyone. Anyone who can remember the film forbidden planet will remember that the monster was created through the imagination of those on the planet manifested with a hugely powerful machine. It was built and left under the ground (hatch) by a long extinct alien race. What happened when walt read the comic book with a polar bear in it. The polar bear was manifested. Children have very vivid imagination therefore he can make things happen on the island if he can see it in his head (eg.throwing the knife perfectly). The walt did this through the machine. Also everyone elses fears and wishes have been manifested. The Tempest (1979) IMDB plot summary Prospero, a potent necromancer, lives on a desolate isle with his virginal daughter, Miranda. He's in exile, banished from his duchy by his usurping brother and the King of Naples. Providence brings these enemies near; aided by his vessel the spirit Ariel, Prospero conjures a tempest to wreck the Italian ship. The king's son, thinking all others lost, becomes Prospero's prisoner, falling in love with Miranda and she with him. Prospero's brother and the king wander the island, as do a drunken cook and sailor, who conspire with Caliban, Prospero's beastly slave, to murder Prospero. Prospero wants reason to triumph, Ariel wants his freedom, Miranda a husband; the sailors want to dance. Providence definition: an influence which is not human in origin and is thought to control whether or not people receive the things which they need I am not saying this is exact or anything they clearly have done their own thing and it's a series not a 2 hour film/play so there is more stuff in "Lost". The people on the "wrecked italian ship" are the subject, rather than whoever/what it was who created "the tempest". There is clearly a "prospero" kind of thing on the island as there is purpose behind why those specific people were on the plane and the all events after the crash. You have to disreguard this a dream or they are all dead and in puragtory, which, if true would a very annoying crap answer to it all. It also wouldn't leave much scope for a continuing series. They have to be in the real world. That with the slightly sci-fi looking hatch with unbreakable glass would indicate to me as being an alien related answer. So a machine it is and not a ariel spirit thing. There is a mystical element to everything though, claires card reading guy, the numbers, everyones connections to one another so maybe its both. At the moment the series doesn't have the scope and blantant scifi/magical element to it. I think it will change alot when they have put some more solid answers on the table it might go a bit crap because of that. Half the fun of the show is that we have no clue as to what is going on. What are others thoughts on this. (It's not anything to do with purgatory don't bring it up, that ship has sunk)" Interesting. Veeeery interesting __________________ I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.

04-20-2005, 08:33 AM	#476 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	another rerun tonite...blarg.. stupid reruns... and next week looks like its some kind of recap episode... grumble...grumble... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

04-25-2005, 06:50 AM	#478 (permalink)
Grancey Life's short, gotta hurry... Location: land of pit vipers	I read about that also. Not knowing how successful the show would be, I'm assuming the writers did not put as much as they might have into the original backgrounds of the characters. Now they can do all the tweaking they want, and it only gets better. __________________ Quiet, mild-mannered souls might just turn out to be roaring lions of two-fisted cool.

05-04-2005, 04:47 PM	#479 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	bump new episode is most of the way over for my time zone... pretty good so far... i'll wait to discuss it till its shown in other time zones __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto