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Mr.Deflok · 09-30-2003, 12:49 AM

Too many people had a hard time understanding Reloaded therefore said they hated it.

drown_with_me · 09-30-2003, 12:15 PM

I had no clue what was occuring the first (and only) time I saw Reloaded. I will rent it when it comes out for a second chance, but overall, my disatisfaction is rooted in the introduction of WAY TOO MANY ideas and characters for one movie. Reloaded seems like it could have been better done if split into two films and given proper justice to the development of the Matrix-concept and new characters as a whole. It just felt "rushed" ...

with fight scenes that were WAY too long.

(crosses fingers for no more million Smith vs. Neo kung-fu fights)

Begora21 · 09-30-2003, 12:27 PM

i loved reloaded and am psyched for revolutions ... I don't get why so many were dissappointed... too high expectations?

JimmyTheHutt · 09-30-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
Too many people had a hard time understanding Reloaded therefore said they hated it.

The problem with Reloaded was that they blip-verted the hell out of the audience, and FUNDAMENTALLY required that the audience see the third one to filter the concepts blasted at them in the second one. It wasn't necessarily a bad film, although I am not a fan of it myself, but it was simply TOO MUCH. They overshot what they were looking for and it showed.

Also, the cgi became to readily obvious and overdone in any aesthetic sense. The fact that our intrepid hero was a god at the end of the first one, and now he is just a really good thug irritated me. At the end of the first Matrix, Neo doesn't just bend rules, he rewrites them at will. Taking him on the Matrix should be pure sucicide, because its like trying to attack god. They retconned themselves, and that did annoy me.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Lasereth · 09-30-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by JimmyTheHutt
Also, the cgi became to readily obvious and overdone in any aesthetic sense.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

I don't understand why people are saying the CGI is dodgy in Reloaded. There is only one point in the entire movie that looked bad to me, and I have a VERY critical eye. That part came when Trinity went past two tractor trailers while on the motorcycle. Just those two tractor trailers looked CGI. Honestly, at first, I thought the Burly Brawl looked fake, but the more I watch it the more I see that it's not the CGI that looks fake but only our minds trying to make it look fake. I can't believe that Neo just did that, but he did, and it looks fucking real.

People bitch and moan that the Agent-Jumping-On-The-Car scene "looked fake." Well, news to you people: the Reloaded screenplay and notes reveal that the only CGI in that scene is the merging of the Agent onto the car. That's right, the Agent really jumped onto a car like that, and the car really did crumple up and flip over using nitrogen tanks. It's fucking real, and people say it looked like bad CGI. What can you say then? Just because something looks like it's impossible to happen doesn't mean that it can't look real. I had to learn this myself, especially while watching the Burly Brawl.

-Lasereth

Jack Ruby · 09-30-2003, 08:52 PM

Say what you want, the Burly Brawl does look really bad in places. Sadly enough, I think we're going to see some of the same in Revolutions - if you look at the part of the trailer where Neo is smashed against a white tiled wall in the subway, that's not Keanu Reeves' face at all. It's weird to say, but I hope they pay more attention to special effects this time around

Lasereth · 09-30-2003, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by Jack Ruby
Say what you want, the Burly Brawl does look really bad in places. Sadly enough, I think we're going to see some of the same in Revolutions - if you look at the part of the trailer where Neo is smashed against a white tiled wall in the subway, that's not Keanu Reeves' face at all. It's weird to say, but I hope they pay more attention to special effects this time around

Which parts of the Burly Brawl are you referring to?

And I watched the Revolutions trailer a few times though, especially paying attention to the part you're talking about. It looks like Neo to me! I'll admit that his face was a little weird, but Trinity's face is more than a little weird in a lot of parts in Reloaded. It may be the camera angle, or it may be a stunt-actor. I honestly don't think it's a stunt actor, especially after the main characters of the first two doing scenes way more complicated than that themselves. Maybe CGI is just based on if a person is willing to accept that the CGI is better than what can be done in real life. Hell if I know; I thought every part in the Burly Brawl looked great, and like I said earlier, I have a very critical eye. I made fun of the CGI tractor trailers for a month before the movie came out.

-Lasereth

Johnny Rotten · 09-30-2003, 09:40 PM

My theory about the final movie is that the Architect was bluffing when he "revealed" that Neo has gone through this whole charade several times before and failed.

What I'm looking forward to is a coda in which it is revealed that all of the Earth is inside it's own Matrix as well, and onward, infinitely progressing.

Mr.Deflok · 09-30-2003, 09:43 PM

I usually agree to everything Lasereth says but the Burly Brawl wasn't perfect on a CGI sense (though as an action sequence it fucking rocked and was NOT too long). There are points where Neo seems not to have any indentation between his lower lip and chin, most noticably when he uses the pole in slo-mo to whack a Smith over the top of his head.

Mind you I only saw the film twice and refuse to download it because DVD is the only way to watch it.

Lasereth · 09-30-2003, 10:12 PM

Maybe I've just seen it more than the average person. I saw it 5 times total in theater, and have seen it literally dozens of other times.

I still hold strong to my opinion about the tractor trailers being the only dodgy CGI in the movie.

-Lasereth

drown_with_me · 10-01-2003, 10:36 AM

The Smiths' vs. Neo fight was pretty lousy CGI

Moobie · 10-01-2003, 11:45 AM

Neo vs the Sentinels: a more probably solution?

Try this one on for size...

The Matrix is coded in machine language. One to be compatible to the human mind and two to be compatible to the machine mind. (The machines interact with it as well.) Therefore if Neo can mold and shape the Matrix code at will then he can also shape and mold the machines code.

Now how do the machines communicate with each other? Anyone? Anyone? I'll hazard a guess that it's not through the Postal Service. They're probably using some sort of wireless communication. Does that make sense?

If Neo's mind has the ability to understand/alter machine code how far fetched would it be for him to be able to intercept the Sentinels own transmissions and send back altered information/commands?

This would give reason for what happened at the end of Reloaded, without resorting to the Neo is a machine or Matrix within a Matrix lameness.

Lasereth · 10-01-2003, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by drown_with_me
The Smiths' vs. Neo fight was pretty lousy CGI

I honestly don't see how people can say Reloaded had bad CGI when other movies that came out recently have piss-poor CGI. Look at Spiderman or Blade 2. They both suffer from the "my body has no gravity or inertia" sickness, making every damn scene look fake as hell. Even if you do think Reloaded's CGI is crap, you have to give the Wachowski Brothers credit for applying real-world physics to every action scene. Sure, people can't fly, but I'm sure that's what it would like like if they could. On top of that, sure, people can't do the insane fight scenes that are in Reloaded, but like I said before...if they could, I'm sure it would look like the Burly Brawl. Go back and watch the movies that also had "spectacular" fight scenes like Spiderman and Blade 2. If those scenes were real, it would NOT look like that because they have the wrong physics applied.

-Lasereth

healyk · 10-01-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by JimmyTheHutt
The fact that our intrepid hero was a god at the end of the first one, and now he is just a really good thug irritated me. At the end of the first Matrix, Neo doesn't just bend rules, he rewrites them at will. Taking him on the Matrix should be pure sucicide, because its like trying to attack god. They retconned themselves, and that did annoy me.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

I agree with this completely. Neo can stop bullets and fly, but what happened to the Neo that could see the world as data and could manipulate that data as he saw fit? Made me think the brothers were hedging their bets as to whether the sequels would get made. If they didn't, the ending of the first suggests Neo is about to dismantle the matrix with his bare hands. The only problem was that the sequels did get approved. So they had to bring Neo back (figuratively) to earth.

I think Agent Smith is The One. While there may have been six or seven Neos prior to this, this Agent Smith is apparently a new entity. He also killed the Keymaker, which wasn't part of the Architect's plans.

This trailer has restored my faith in trilogies.

Esoteric · 10-01-2003, 06:59 PM

I am looking forward to this, trailer was great.

CSflim · 10-02-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lasereth
People bitch and moan that the Agent-Jumping-On-The-Car scene "looked fake." Well, news to you people: the Reloaded screenplay and notes reveal that the only CGI in that scene is the merging of the Agent onto the car. That's right, the Agent really jumped onto a car like that, and the car really did crumple up and flip over using nitrogen tanks. It's fucking real, and people say it looked like bad CGI. What can you say then?

One of the reloaded trailers shows this clip, but in real time. It looks perfectly real. I think the "fakeness" of it comes from the fact that it is extremely slowed down.

CSflim · 10-02-2003, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Rotten
What I'm looking forward to is a coda in which it is revealed that all of the Earth is inside it's own Matrix as well, and onward, infinitely progressing.

Good god, I hope not! It is just WAAY to obvious a move.
Sadly, there appears to be a lot of evidence for it, most notable, Neo stopping the sentinals at the end of reloaded.

CSflim · 10-02-2003, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Moobie
Neo vs the Sentinels: a more probably solution?

Try this one on for size...

The Matrix is coded in machine language. One to be compatible to the human mind and two to be compatible to the machine mind. (The machines interact with it as well.) Therefore if Neo can mold and shape the Matrix code at will then he can also shape and mold the machines code.

Now how do the machines communicate with each other? Anyone? Anyone? I'll hazard a guess that it's not through the Postal Service. They're probably using some sort of wireless communication. Does that make sense?

If Neo's mind has the ability to understand/alter machine code how far fetched would it be for him to be able to intercept the Sentinels own transmissions and send back altered information/commands?

This would give reason for what happened at the end of Reloaded, without resorting to the Neo is a machine or Matrix within a Matrix lameness.

That's pretty close, to my personal theory for what is going on. However, neo isn't physically plugged into the matrix. How could he intercept/send any signals, without resorting to some kind of "physic magic", which would be a major cop-out, for a science-fiction film.

I think it may have somehting to do with Bane/Smith...He and neo appear to be connected in soem way.

Lasereth · 10-02-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by CSflim
I think it may have somehting to do with Bane/Smith...He and neo appear to be connected in soem way.

That's my guess as well. I actually thought that the moment I walked out of the theater after seeing it the first time. The Wachowski Brothers have made this trilogy about Neo and Smith obviously. Now that Smith is inside the real-world, then Neo is going to have to be able to do something about it. They're connected somehow (I don't know specifics, but this is my guess), and in order for Neo to have special powers in the real-world, Smith will have to have them as well. I can't wait to see what unfolds in Revolutions.

-Lasereth

Lasereth · 10-02-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by CSflim
One of the reloaded trailers shows this clip, but in real time. It looks perfectly real. I think the "fakeness" of it comes from the fact that it is extremely slowed down.

Sadly enough, most people decided it looked fake when it showed the real-time sequence in the Superbowl Trailer. I think it looks better with the sound effects slowed down, but it was pretty badass at real-speed too. Two of the IGN editors said it looked fake as hell in real-time motion. I'd like to smack them in the head and show them the production notes. It's REAL!

-Lasereth

JimmyTheHutt · 10-03-2003, 12:05 PM

The situation for the third film is a contest for who is going to be the new God. Both Neo and Agent Smith have crossed an importan barrier: between man and machine. Both of them have demonstrated capabilities far beyond what they are supposed to have. As a result of these abilities, one of them will determine the fate of the world. The question is, which one? Thus the third, and most important film. Any thoughts?

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

BulletBob · 10-04-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by healyk
I agree with this completely. Neo can stop bullets and fly, but what happened to the Neo that could see the world as data and could manipulate that data as he saw fit? Made me think the brothers were hedging their bets as to whether the sequels would get made. If they didn't, the ending of the first suggests Neo is about to dismantle the matrix with his bare hands. The only problem was that the sequels did get approved. So they had to bring Neo back (figuratively) to earth.

I think Agent Smith is The One. While there may have been six or seven Neos prior to this, this Agent Smith is apparently a new entity. He also killed the Keymaker, which wasn't part of the Architect's plans.

This trailer has restored my faith in trilogies.

Neo can still see the Matrix world as data in Reloaded. When Morpheous, Neo, and Trinity get off the elevator to go see the Merovingian, Morpheous asks, "What can you see Neo?" Neo responds, "It's strange, the code is somehow different."

The Keymaker was also supposed to die. After he is shot he says, "It was meant to be." He had already fulfilled his purpose as a program and was no longer needed.

twister002 · 10-04-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by drown_with_me
The Smiths' vs. Neo fight was pretty lousy CGI

Give an example of a movie with good CGI in it.

Lasereth · 10-04-2003, 09:02 PM

Yeah, if you think the Smith vs Neo fight was lousy CGI, then something's wrong. There hasn't been any movie to date that has even remotely rivaled the computer graphics in this scene. The head of the Burly Brawl CGI department actually wrote a letter to President Clinton and President Bush explaining that they had figured out a way to replicate humans on screen using a computer program. Neither one of the presidents seemed to care, but the CGI developers just wanted to let them know of the situation...technology that enables human-beings to be created out of thin air on camera could be used VERY dangerously.

-Lasereth

NeverBorn · 10-04-2003, 09:28 PM

If its the "matrix within a matrix" bullshit copout..I'll be pissed

Mind_Storm · 10-07-2003, 02:57 AM

The Matrix Revolutions: Yet another Revolutions poster is online at the , official site this to be displayed worldwide.

Jack Ruby · 10-07-2003, 04:10 AM

Everyone stop bitching about the CGI already. Yes, it was great, and yes, there was room for improvement. As always.

I do like the concept of Neo being able to control machines just as Smith gets the ability to control humans in the real world (Bane). And the "Smith is the One" theory, while pretty unlikely, does sounds pretty cool =)

dailyjo2003 · 10-07-2003, 12:07 PM

I don't think the human's are used for batteries, that is nonsense for several reasons -many listed here already. I think the human brains serve as a source of creativity for the machines - the type of human creativity that they inherintly lack. The brains of the inslaved humans could even serve as the framework for the Matrix itself. Perhaps the ultimate computer - millions of linked human brains.

CSflim · 10-08-2003, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by dailyjo2003
I don't think the human's are used for batteries, that is nonsense for several reasons -many listed here already. I think the human brains serve as a source of creativity for the machines - the type of human creativity that they inherintly lack. The brains of the inslaved humans could even serve as the framework for the Matrix itself. Perhaps the ultimate computer - millions of linked human brains.

Yeah, I thought of that...works nicely if you apply the lie of "human beings only use 10% of their brain"
That 90% could offer the machines some serious computing power in a reasonably inexpensive way. All they need to do is provide some mindless entertainment for the other 10%!
(Also explains why they used humans, and not cows or some other animal)

THE MAC GOD · 10-09-2003, 02:38 PM

I completely agree with you. People wanted mindless action/entertainment. The Matrix is not that.

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Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
Too many people had a hard time understanding Reloaded therefore said they hated it.

THE MAC GOD · 10-09-2003, 02:47 PM

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Lasereth · 10-09-2003, 03:12 PM

Holy shit! That's fucking AWESOME. Just a little bit longer...

-Lasereth

Mr.Deflok · 10-09-2003, 04:12 PM

I like the Morpheus Rev, poster the best.

THE MAC GOD · 10-28-2003, 02:42 PM

Can't wait... I'll have to get up at 5am so I can get there at least two hours early... MAN, this is going to rock. Also, please don't respond that RELOADED sucked. You obviously didn't get it and you probably didn't watch the Animatrix or play both characters in the game.
Anyway, this is for people who love it through and through and can't wait!

Starts at 8am for me (central time). Gonna see it then and again at 9pm that night with most of my peeps.

djflish · 10-28-2003, 02:46 PM

its not out in england for another month probably.

still, i don't think i'll be getting up quite that early, just to watch a movie

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Lasereth · 10-29-2003, 05:48 PM

I wanted to get tickets, but no theater in our entire CITY is playing it! We don't know what the deal is. They're playing Return of the King but not Revolutions. Some analysts predict Revolutions to produce $1,000,000,000 from ticket sales. Yes, a billion dollars. The theaters here are absolutely crazy for not getting it. I would drive 2 hours to my home to see it, but I have 5 classes the following day. Dammit all to hell...I'll have to see it on Friday. DAMMIT! I wanted to see this movie so bad. I saw Reloaded 4 times in the theater and I want to see this one as well, especially on the opening 0-hour timeframe.

Reloaded was a masterpiece, and if you watch the DVD the producers/actors/developers say it's NOTHING compared to Revolutions. I can't wait, even if I do have to see it a few days after opening day. Long live the Matrix Trilogy -- quite possible the best Sci-fi trilogy ever.

-Lasereth

fishin · 10-29-2003, 06:43 PM

I can't wait to see it!

Batman976 · 10-29-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by THE MAC GOD
Also, please don't respond that RELOADED sucked. You obviously didn't get it and you probably didn't watch the Animatrix or play both characters in the game.

Moviegoers shouldn't be required to spend hundreds of dollars and countless hours in order to make sense of one movie. The movie should speak for itself. Besides, it's very fair to say that some people may have watched both movies, watched the Animatrix, played Enter the Matrix TWICE, and still not liked Reloaded.

I'm not saying I didn't like Reloaded or that I'm not looking forward to Revolutions. I'm only saying it's unfair to those who didn't like Reloaded to say they didn't like it because they couldn't understand it.

THE MAC GOD · 10-29-2003, 08:02 PM

I've read hundreds of posts of people who don't like reloaded... I'm only asking that people who are looking forward to the movie post here...

09-30-2003, 12:15 PM	#42 (permalink)
drown_with_me Crazy Location: Philadelphia	I had no clue what was occuring the first (and only) time I saw Reloaded. I will rent it when it comes out for a second chance, but overall, my disatisfaction is rooted in the introduction of WAY TOO MANY ideas and characters for one movie. Reloaded seems like it could have been better done if split into two films and given proper justice to the development of the Matrix-concept and new characters as a whole. It just felt "rushed" ... with fight scenes that were WAY too long. (crosses fingers for no more million Smith vs. Neo kung-fu fights) __________________ "I wanna see the movies of your dreams..." - Built to Spill

09-30-2003, 08:52 PM	#46 (permalink)
Jack Ruby Psycho Location: Belgium	Say what you want, the Burly Brawl does look really bad in places. Sadly enough, I think we're going to see some of the same in Revolutions - if you look at the part of the trailer where Neo is smashed against a white tiled wall in the subway, that's not Keanu Reeves' face at all. It's weird to say, but I hope they pay more attention to special effects this time around __________________ You don't know what you don't know.

09-30-2003, 09:40 PM	#48 (permalink)
Johnny Rotten lost and found Location: Berkeley	My theory about the final movie is that the Architect was bluffing when he "revealed" that Neo has gone through this whole charade several times before and failed. What I'm looking forward to is a coda in which it is revealed that all of the Earth is inside it's own Matrix as well, and onward, infinitely progressing. __________________ "The idea that money doesn't buy you happiness is a lie put about by the rich, to stop the poor from killing them." -- Michael Caine

09-30-2003, 10:12 PM	#50 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Maybe I've just seen it more than the average person. I saw it 5 times total in theater, and have seen it literally dozens of other times. I still hold strong to my opinion about the tractor trailers being the only dodgy CGI in the movie. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

10-01-2003, 10:36 AM	#51 (permalink)
drown_with_me Crazy Location: Philadelphia	The Smiths' vs. Neo fight was pretty lousy CGI __________________ "I wanna see the movies of your dreams..." - Built to Spill

09-30-2003, 12:49 AM	#41 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Too many people had a hard time understanding Reloaded therefore said they hated it.

09-30-2003, 12:27 PM	#43 (permalink)
Begora21 Insane	i loved reloaded and am psyched for revolutions ... I don't get why so many were dissappointed... too high expectations?

09-30-2003, 09:43 PM	#49 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	I usually agree to everything Lasereth says but the Burly Brawl wasn't perfect on a CGI sense (though as an action sequence it fucking rocked and was NOT too long). There are points where Neo seems not to have any indentation between his lower lip and chin, most noticably when he uses the pole in slo-mo to whack a Smith over the top of his head. Mind you I only saw the film twice and refuse to download it because DVD is the only way to watch it.

10-01-2003, 11:45 AM	#52 (permalink)
Moobie Insane Location: baked beans	Neo vs the Sentinels: a more probably solution? Try this one on for size... The Matrix is coded in machine language. One to be compatible to the human mind and two to be compatible to the machine mind. (The machines interact with it as well.) Therefore if Neo can mold and shape the Matrix code at will then he can also shape and mold the machines code. Now how do the machines communicate with each other? Anyone? Anyone? I'll hazard a guess that it's not through the Postal Service. They're probably using some sort of wireless communication. Does that make sense? If Neo's mind has the ability to understand/alter machine code how far fetched would it be for him to be able to intercept the Sentinels own transmissions and send back altered information/commands? This would give reason for what happened at the end of Reloaded, without resorting to the Neo is a machine or Matrix within a Matrix lameness. __________________ Obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers. We like money. Give us your money you stupid consumer whore.

10-01-2003, 06:59 PM	#55 (permalink)
Esoteric Tired Location: Florida	I am looking forward to this, trailer was great. __________________ From a head full of pressure rests the senses that I clutch Made a date with Divinity, but she wouldn't let me fuck I got touched by a hazy shaded, God help me change Caught a rush on the floor from the life in my veins

10-03-2003, 12:05 PM	#61 (permalink)
JimmyTheHutt Psycho Location: Hell (Phoenix AZ)	The situation for the third film is a contest for who is going to be the new God. Both Neo and Agent Smith have crossed an importan barrier: between man and machine. Both of them have demonstrated capabilities far beyond what they are supposed to have. As a result of these abilities, one of them will determine the fate of the world. The question is, which one? Thus the third, and most important film. Any thoughts? Veritas en Lux! Jimmy The Hutt __________________ Think Jabba, only with more hair and vestigal legs.... "This isn't a nightmare, its real. Nightmare's end." -ShadowDancer

10-04-2003, 09:02 PM	#64 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, if you think the Smith vs Neo fight was lousy CGI, then something's wrong. There hasn't been any movie to date that has even remotely rivaled the computer graphics in this scene. The head of the Burly Brawl CGI department actually wrote a letter to President Clinton and President Bush explaining that they had figured out a way to replicate humans on screen using a computer program. Neither one of the presidents seemed to care, but the CGI developers just wanted to let them know of the situation...technology that enables human-beings to be created out of thin air on camera could be used VERY dangerously. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

10-04-2003, 09:28 PM	#65 (permalink)
NeverBorn I'm a pepper bitch..	If its the "matrix within a matrix" bullshit copout..I'll be pissed

10-07-2003, 02:57 AM	#66 (permalink)
Mind_Storm Tilted Location: The Finger Lakes of New York	The Matrix Revolutions: Yet another Revolutions poster is online at the , official site this to be displayed worldwide.

10-07-2003, 04:10 AM	#67 (permalink)
Jack Ruby Psycho Location: Belgium	Everyone stop bitching about the CGI already. Yes, it was great, and yes, there was room for improvement. As always. I do like the concept of Neo being able to control machines just as Smith gets the ability to control humans in the real world (Bane). And the "Smith is the One" theory, while pretty unlikely, does sounds pretty cool =) __________________ You don't know what you don't know.

10-07-2003, 12:07 PM	#68 (permalink)
dailyjo2003 Tilted	I don't think the human's are used for batteries, that is nonsense for several reasons -many listed here already. I think the human brains serve as a source of creativity for the machines - the type of human creativity that they inherintly lack. The brains of the inslaved humans could even serve as the framework for the Matrix itself. Perhaps the ultimate computer - millions of linked human brains.

10-09-2003, 02:47 PM	#71 (permalink)
THE MAC GOD Insane Location: In front of my keyboard.	CHECK THIS ACTION OUT: __________________ Why continue fighting? Is it for Love? Illusions. All as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as Love.

10-09-2003, 03:12 PM	#72 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Holy shit! That's fucking AWESOME. Just a little bit longer... -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

10-09-2003, 04:12 PM	#73 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	I like the Morpheus Rev, poster the best.

10-28-2003, 02:42 PM	#74 (permalink)
THE MAC GOD Insane Location: In front of my keyboard.	SO... Who's got Revolutions tickets?!? Can't wait... I'll have to get up at 5am so I can get there at least two hours early... MAN, this is going to rock. Also, please don't respond that RELOADED sucked. You obviously didn't get it and you probably didn't watch the Animatrix or play both characters in the game. Anyway, this is for people who love it through and through and can't wait! Starts at 8am for me (central time). Gonna see it then and again at 9pm that night with most of my peeps. __________________ Why continue fighting? Is it for Love? Illusions. All as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as Love.

10-28-2003, 02:46 PM	#75 (permalink)
djflish The Mighty Boosh Location: I mostly come out at night, mostly...	its not out in england for another month probably. still, i don't think i'll be getting up quite that early, just to watch a movie __________________ Europes two great narcotics, Alcohol and Christianity. I know which one I prefer.

10-28-2003, 02:51 PM	#76 (permalink)
THE MAC GOD Insane Location: In front of my keyboard.	Nope... its a ZERO HOUR launch... Read this action: WARNER BROS. PICTURES AND VILLAGE ROADSHOW PICTURES TO MAKE CINEMA HISTORY WITH GLOBAL UNVEILING OF THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS ON NOVEMBER 5, MAKING THE FILM AVAILABLE TO FANS AROUND THE WORLD AT THE SAME MOMENT IN TIME Through IMAX Digital Re-Mastering Technology, Highly Anticipated Film Will Also Debut in IMAX® Theatres in the U.S. on November 5, Marking the First Time a Major Live Action Movie is Released Concurrently in 35MM and IMAX’s Format Warner Bros. Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures will unveil THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, the final explosive chapter in the blockbuster MATRIX trilogy, at the exact same moment in time in every major city around the world on November 5. This unprecedented distribution scenario will make the highly anticipated film available to fans simultaneously at 6 a.m. in Los Angeles, 9 a.m. in New York, 2 p.m. in London, 5 p.m. in Moscow, 11 p.m. in Tokyo and at corresponding times in over 50 additional countries worldwide. The announcement was made today by Dan Fellman, President of Domestic Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures, and Veronika Kwan-Rubinek, President of International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures. "Given the enormous popularity and success of the Matrix films throughout the international community, we’re thrilled that we can bring the final chapter of this amazing trilogy to fans simultaneously around the world," Kwan-Rubinek said. "We thank our exhibitors for their unqualified support in staging this extraordinary event." "The zero hour simultaneous opening of REVOLUTIONS once again positions the Matrix films as the cutting edge experience in motion pictures," Fellman added. "Audiences came out to see THE MATRIX RELOADED in record numbers, and we appreciate the enthusiasm, collaboration and support of our exhibitors in helping us bring THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS to audiences on November 5." "We received such an overwhelming response to RELOADED from audiences around the globe that the Wachowski Brothers wanted to give our fans the chance to experience the final piece of the Matrix puzzle at the same time in every major city worldwide," said Joel Silver, producer of the phenomenal Matrix trilogy. "It's an incredibly complex and exciting venture that furthers the Wachowskis' vision and underscores the trilogy’s theme of integration." To date, THE MATRIX RELOADED has earned over $734 million in worldwide box office, making it the highest-grossing film of 2003 and the highest-grossing R-rated film in history, both domestically and internationally. Additionally, RELOADED scored the record for the largest single week ever with $158.2 million and reached $150 million in a record-breaking six days domestically; internationally, it is the 10th highest grossing film of all-time, and is the first film in history to gross more than $100 million in a single weekend. FANS TO EXPERIENCE THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, DIGITALLY RE-MASTERED FOR THE WORLD’S LARGEST SCREENS, AT IMAX THEATRES DAY & DATE WITH FILM’S 35MM RELEASE In conjunction with the REVOLUTIONS worldwide distribution event, THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS: The IMAX Experience will debut at IMAX Theatres in the United States on November 5. This marks the first time a major Hollywood live-action event film is released concurrently in 35mm and IMAX’s revolutionary 15/70 format. Warner Bros. Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures previously collaborated with IMAX on the hugely successful release of THE MATRIX RELOADED: The IMAX Experience, which debuted on 39 IMAX screens on June 6, launching three weeks after the 35mm theatrical release of THE MATRIX RELOADED on May 15. THE MATRIX RELOADED: The IMAX Experience later expanded to 54 IMAX screens throughout North America and 12 screens internationally, grossing $12.4 million worldwide to date. "Following the unprecedented audience response and box office performance of THE MATRIX RELOADED: The IMAX Experience, we couldn’t be happier to offer fans the chance to see THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS: The IMAX Experience on the same day as we open REVOLUTIONS in 35mm," Dan Fellman said. Like THE MATRIX RELOADED: The IMAX Experience, THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS: The IMAX Experience has been digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience® through revolutionary and proprietary IMAX® DMR™ (Digital Re-mastering) technology. IMAX Theatres offer unequalled clarity and intensity of image as audiences experience one of the biggest films of the year on screens up to eight stories tall and 120 feet wide, and surrounded by 12,000 watts of pure digital sound. In THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, the final chapter in the MATRIX trilogy, the rebels' long quest for freedom culminates in an explosive battle. As the Machine Army wages devastation on Zion, its citizens mount an aggressive defense – but can they stave off the relentless swarm of Sentinels long enough for Neo to harness the full extent of his powers and end the war? Written and directed by the Wachowski Brothers and produced by Joel Silver, THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS stars Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hugo Weaving and Jada Pinkett Smith. THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS will be released worldwide on November 5 by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, and in select territories by Village Roadshow Pictures. For more information, please contact: Warner Bros. Pictures Domestic Publicity Jan Craft 818-954-2279 Jan.Craft@warnerbros.com Warner Bros. Pictures International Publicity Mic Kramer 818-954-6597 Mic.Kramer@warnerbros.com __________________ Why continue fighting? Is it for Love? Illusions. All as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as Love.

10-29-2003, 05:48 PM	#77 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	I wanted to get tickets, but no theater in our entire CITY is playing it! We don't know what the deal is. They're playing Return of the King but not Revolutions. Some analysts predict Revolutions to produce $1,000,000,000 from ticket sales. Yes, a billion dollars. The theaters here are absolutely crazy for not getting it. I would drive 2 hours to my home to see it, but I have 5 classes the following day. Dammit all to hell...I'll have to see it on Friday. DAMMIT! I wanted to see this movie so bad. I saw Reloaded 4 times in the theater and I want to see this one as well, especially on the opening 0-hour timeframe. Reloaded was a masterpiece, and if you watch the DVD the producers/actors/developers say it's NOTHING compared to Revolutions. I can't wait, even if I do have to see it a few days after opening day. Long live the Matrix Trilogy -- quite possible the best Sci-fi trilogy ever. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

10-29-2003, 06:43 PM	#78 (permalink)
fishin Crazy	I can't wait to see it! __________________ liberals rule. phhtt.

10-29-2003, 08:02 PM	#80 (permalink)
THE MAC GOD Insane Location: In front of my keyboard.	I've read hundreds of posts of people who don't like reloaded... I'm only asking that people who are looking forward to the movie post here... __________________ Why continue fighting? Is it for Love? Illusions. All as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as Love.