The Definative Matrix Revolutions Speculation Thread - Spoilers definately inside

[phyzix525]

Originally posted by Jack Ruby

Neo can't do the cool Kung Fu because everything he does in the Matrix is based on mental capacity, not physical capacity. In the Matrix, you are bound by the rules of the Matrix and your own mind. In the real world, you are bound by physics and the limitations of your own body.

Yeah and so why is he able to destoy the machines in the "real world"

[Lasereth]

Originally posted by phyzix525
Yeah and so why is he able to destoy the machines in the "real world"

Revolutions explained that Neo was in contact with the Source at one point (the center of the machine world). Smith was in contact with it as well...hence both of them having spectacular powers in both worlds. Yes, it does go off the deep end, but that's the explanation that the movie gives.

-Lasereth

[Cynthetiq]

Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
I loved the battle scenes, and the Neo/Smith fight was great. The ending, however, sucked.

BIT OF A SPOILER AHEAD:
Here's the way I thought it should have ended:

I would have ended shortly after the machines dragged Neo's body away by showing the beginning of the first movie (him waking up in front of the computer,) but with the little girl waking up in front of the computer instead of him.

i thought that would have made an aporpo ending.

i liked it. it was entertaining.. since i saw it as a screener.. i'm not upset about the $20 it would have cost me and the wife to see it.

but I'm glad I saw it, it was enjoyable, and entertaining. I wish that it was more, but I walked away satistied.

[Pellaz]

Originally posted by Jack Ruby
Also, I'm not entirely sure just how Neo succeeded in destroying all the Smiths.

It was their duality that doomed them both. The second Neo was integrated into the Smiths, there was no longer the imbalance that created and fed them. That's my 2 cents, your milage may vary.

[docbungle]

If you don't like the last two, then you're watching them for the wrong reasons. Stop trying to blind these excellent movies from the people who would enjoy them...the people who enjoyed Reloaded.

If you don't like something you watched it for the wrong reason? That sounds like some kooky pseudo-philosophy straight out of Reloaded.

Whatever.

I despised Reloaded (not because I didn't understand it, as some people keep insisting MUST be the case if I didn't like it, but because I did understand it, and was underwhelmed), but rather enjoyed Revolutions. I already knew not to expect anything remotely resembling the groundbreaking coolnes of The Matrix, so I was pleasantly suprised when Revolutions stopped trying to be so damned intelligent and just became a really good kick ass action movie. It owns most other action movies out there.

Reloaded was too smart for its own good, and made the mistake of bringing up more questions than it could possibly answer. Revolutions seemed to say "Screw all that crap we brought up in Reloaded....look at THIS!!"

And I'm glad they did. Because it's a fun, entertaining film.

[Vales419]

Hello all,

First off I thought it was an excellent trilogy as a whole. Great story, great actors and kick ass fighting scenes. As for Revolutions, I was a little dissapointed because the story left me a little unsatisfied. The visual aspects including the siege on Zion was amazing. One of the coolest things I have seen in a long time. The last fight scene was very cool, but I felt it was a little short. I believe it was a good way to end the trilogy, but it did leave some open questions that I thought it should have ended. I love Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith, he did one hell of a job.

I loved all three of these movies and if I would have to put in them in order as my favorite to least, I would put them in the order that there were released.
Matrix
Matrix-Reloaded
Matrix-Revolutions

Have a good one and take it easy!

Peace.

V.

[Kyp]

Bane was turned into Smith because he got infected inside the Matrix. His mind changed while inside the Matrix. Just like if you die inside the Matrix you die in the real world, his mind was changed in the real world.

Neo had a connection in the real world to the machines. This connection allowed him to blow up the machines, but since it was only a connection to the machines it didn't give him his kung foo abilities nor could he fly or anything else like that. He was in the real world and therefore had to abide by the rules of the real world with no way around it. He just had the connection to the machines and nothing else.

[Kyp]

The only problem I have with Revolutions is the attack on Zion... what happened to the Sentinels lasers? They were attacking things with their claws, not using their lasers. That seemed kind of pointless to me. Just a small problem I have with it, the movie still kicked ass.

[diergray]

Lasereth didnt Neo's act of stopping the sentinels in Reloaded cause him to touch the Source and go into the coma. I think that is what the Oracle said. It had nothing to do with his powers. As for Smith/Bane touching the source when did that happen expect for the end when he "died".

[Shauk]

they only used those lasers for cutting through the ships so they could get inside. they were short range at that.

the claws had a longer range and they utilized horde strategies.

I will now post a livejournal review here.

Why America hates the 3rd matrix (SPOILERS, POLITICAL)
They hate it because it paints a picture of war that is not palpable to "our" ideals. They hate it because it is anti-war as much as America is pro-war today.

We want wars that end like WW1 and WW2. We can't stand the idea of Vietnam where we "lost". Nor does it end like any sci-fi war that we're used to. It is not Independence Day where we destroy the alien's homeworld. It is not Star Wars with the destruction of the Super Deathstar. It is not Star Trek where the Borg queen is killed and the Federation polices the Alpha quadrant. Even most of the classical Sci-Fi authors gave their wars terminal endings. It is not the traditional Sci-Fi ending you can understand.

The machine war ends at an uneasy truce. You can see this archtype Commander Lock. In the movie he is portrayed as a warmonger and a cynnic without hope. He knows in his mind that there is no hope for peace with the machines. He is the picture of everything we should hate about ourselves and our nation right now.

I realize there are differences and there cannot be a clear parallel between the machine war and any war America has ever fought, but that is the exact picture of a war that we cannot understand. It is however conievable and some what allegorial (however weak) if we picture America as the machines. The machine is a nearly single-minded entity with a rigorous command structure. It's adversaries are hiding in shadows firing rockets at the army's forces. After the uneasy peace nearly all of the people of Zion are elated. They celebrate that the war is at an end, but Lock and others will continue to fight the machines. They may nearly break the truce and aggrivate the machines. The machines understand this weakness. The Architect says "What am I? Human?" He acknowledges that he will not lie, but knows that humans can. He knows that they do not come to agreements and do not act as one entity.

If you were a citizen of Zion would you accept the machines if they offered to help you rebuild Zion? If you were the machine world could you trust the humans to not let Commander Lock take control?

We can't understand the resolution for the machine war just like we can't understand the resolution for the Iraq war. Maybe if we saw ourselves with Iraqi eyes and the Iraqis as the people of Zion then we would know their trepedation and understand how there can be so many of them that fear and hate us. We have bombed them for 10 years and they are glad that it is over, but at the same time unsure.

my friend wrote that, I 100% agree.

[Shauk]

oh, a lot of people forget, there may be an alternate ending on the DVD because I almost have a suspicion that they left it open on purpose for the sake of promoting thier Matrix ONLINE game... oh joy.

[Conclamo Ludus]

I enjoyed it. I was a bit disappointed in how the story was shown. But I wasn't disappointed with the story. I think the answers are there, but they certainly aren't clear, as if they were for any of the movies in the series.

Here's my thoughts in very VERY basic terms.

From what I understood is that the machines needed the humans again. The machines were growing to a critical mass in which they could no longer acheive any sort of progression. Hence all the duality and hence the architect being there to "balance the equation". The Oracle's job was to unbalance the equation. She set about to acheive a way to bring the humans back into the equation in order to reach a way to progress again. This got out of her control with programs "acting" human, Merovingian, Agent Smith, etc. She needed the "One" to meld the humans and machines into a world that they can be codependent on eachother. Agent Smith threatened this. The One could cancel him out. Neo is an extremely powerful human, Smith is an extremely powerful program. Get rid of the extremes when they cancel eachother out, and you can reach an equilibrium.

This is certainly not the whole story, and I just walked out of the theater and haven't thought about it much more yet. I'm looking forward to hearing people's take on the whole story. I'm sure there is plenty I haven't picked up on yet.

[THE MAC GOD]

The Matrix website has been updated with a WEALTH of really neat stuff... Below is a picture of the Hex code you need to get to the 128-bit code section (the 128 section they JUST opened) and the code you need to get past the 128 bit... then you have access to the ZION archives which is just amazing... It has almost TOO much info there. Black cat indeed. If you don't know about the codes, the Matrix website has long had a code section that was partially hidden. Go to the high-speed version of the site, in the upper-right navigation there is a little yellow dot, click that, then a small panel slides out, click the little box next to low-bandwidth. Binary access will now be available. Below are all the codes... then the picture to get to the ZION archives. ENJOY!


Input Codes (This button is located just to the upper-right of the MAINFRAME box):

agentbullettime - Agent Bullet-time Video
crash - Helocopter Crash Video
steak - Opens Various Links
dejavu - Original Sketches
trinity - Trinity Storyboard Video
morpheus - Sketches and Computer Generated Sets
guns - Poster
wrong number - Poster
darrow - (bf) Movie Art
skroce - Movie Art
geof - Sentiel Art
wrong number - Matrix Comix Season 3 Pinups
tokyo - Tokyo Appearance Video
keanu - Actor Introduction Video
carrie - Actor Introduction Video
laurence - Actor Introduction Video


Binary Codes:

01101111 - Access Panel 2 (HEX panel)
11101000 - (bf) Philosophy
11010100 - Animatrix Wallpaper
11101001 - Trinity Drawing
00011000 - Concept Illustrator Audio Clip
10110110 - Stunt Coordinator Audio Clip
10000001 - Classic Website
11011011 - Room VR


Hexidecimal Codes:

0AC01BFA - 128 Bit Codes (To the ZION archives)

23631BE6 - VR (Grate hall, Keys)
FFF0020A - VR (Ghosts Room, Bathroom, Chateau Dungeon)
4516DF45 - VR (Chateau Office, Hallway, Parkade)
FFFFFFF1 - VR (Parkade, Keys, Grate Hall)
FF00001A - VR (Neb)
0034AFFF - VR (China Town)
69E5D9E4 - VR (Sewer, Chateau, Parkade)
F446A392 - Desktop Viewer
38CA2FB1 - Desktop Viewer
1DDF2556 - 3D ETM Environment
35d67173 - 3D ETM Environment
13D2C77F - 3D ETM Environment
B25F33A6 - 3D ETM Environment
D5C55D1E - 3D ETM Environment
BB013FFF - 3D ETM Environment
7867F443 - 3D ETM Environment
587E1A2C - Tunnel Recon Game (Removed)
3A342CE3 - (bf) Revolutions Teaser
10383910 - Ultra Revolutions Trailer
CC883300 - Sample Code
098CA701 - Doorway Wallpaper
EC306071 - VR (Kitchen)
F03350B1 - Art Department
0081CF5E - Visual Effects
D487A317 - Detective Story Preview
98765432 - Ultra-Sized Trailer Preview
A3B1A428 - 2nd Renaissance Preview (Removed)
D53D49F9 - Unloco Video Clip
A8C3F9AD - Deftones Video Clip
43E17AC9 - Making of Pics
C1B49F13 - "Sleeping Awake" Lyrics
8D966F2A - P.O.D. Interview
64CF29E3 - "Sleeping Awake" Making of part I
19A642BF - "Sleeping Awake" Making of part II
25DB928F - (bf) Contest
A3B1A428 - Virtual Assembly Neb
8E217AC9 - Soundtrack Lyrics
7F4DF451 - Soundtrack Lyrics


128 Bit Codes:

3195A3F6E72B543C6977DA16E7895B3E - Zion Archives


HERE'S THE PICTURE OF WHAT THE HEX SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO AID YOU:

[Kyp]

Neo touched the source when he was talking to the Architect. Smith never actually touched it, he gained powers by taking over all the people of the Matrix, and also by the Architect "balancing" the Matrix. Neo and Smith were opposites, they had to balance eachother out.

[Telethon]

Also, Smith is not a program! He is a virus and Neo is an anomilie which is why they are able to avoid the laws of physics.

[THE MAC GOD]

No... Neo is Smith's antivirus... He let SMith clone him so that the Matrix could use his code against him.

[Lasereth]

Originally posted by Telethon
Also, Smith is not a program! He is a virus and Neo is an anomilie which is why they are able to avoid the laws of physics.

Yeah, a lot of people seem to be forgetting that Smith isn't an agent anymore. I've actually found that multiple reviewers are saying this and criticizing Revolutions for Smith being so powerful. You're entitled to an opinion, but it makes me mad when they mess up huge plot information!

-Lasereth

[Journeyman]

To answer Phyz's original question with complete clarity:

"I don't wanna remember nothing... Nothing! And I wanna be someone important... like an actor." Cypher, while being disgruntled but not insane, certainly believed that the matrix could reinsert both his body and his mind, changing his entire belief structure, personal memories, personality, everything that he thinks he is, into the system.

So, if Cypher can be a zion rebel, jack into the matrix and become a whole new person, then he can also be taken back out of the matrix *after* being changed (into an actor, supposedly named Reagan, with a real history of being (lu)cypher... wink wink). So the technology for a total neuronal take over is within the matrix, Smith just happened to gain that power in a very hacked, on-the-fly sort of fashion.

Thus, Bane jacks in, is taken over (and the change is both in his matrix avatar AND his personal, physical gray matter), and jacks out... as Agent Smith.

[Mikado]

I think a lot of you have missed some of the much deeper underlying biblical connections of this trilogy. All the answers you seek are there, but not smashed against your nose so that you're sure not to miss it. Personally, I feel the entire Matrix trilogy is an incredible piece of literary science fiction. I really enjoy discussing these movies, so by all means ask questions and slam my opinions back in my face. That's where the fun lies. However, I ask that you do so without personal attacks, there's no point in responding.

The entire Matrix trilogy really ties in closely to western religion. Each character can be considered a counterpart from religious texts. The Architect for example would be God. He's created an Eden for the humans to live in. Consider a quote by Agent Smith, "the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy." However, humans demanded the ability to choose. They wanted free will. They chose to cast themselves from the Garden and live in the much dirtier, hard world full of suffering and imperfection. I.E. they take the 'red pill' and are removed from Eden.

Eventually the humans decide they can wipe out God by blackening the sky. However, as we know, the humans lose the war and are cast aside. Several versions of the Matrix are attempted, but all are refused by the humans. Finally one edition of the Matrix is designed to allow the Humans to grow, or choice. The machines don't understand this growth and fight it. When designing the third Matrix, referred to as 3.0, the Oracle realizes that this growth will eventually give humans the ability to cross the Matrix and the Real World. She however, sees this ability as a benefit to both man and machine, as this is the only way the machines will learn to evolve. By combining both man and machine, it will bring the machine evolution that is required.

Now enters Neo 1. He chooses to give rebirth to Zion, or chooses the door to the right. Thus the cycle of previous Neo's begins. They go through 5 before we get to our current Neo. Here are some quotes from the Architect scene in Reloaded.

Architect - You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. That was quicker than the others. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. The Mother stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice.

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The mother he refers to is the Oracle. She's found what it is that the humans need in order to accept their reality, however, it also what will eventually lead to the end of the war and bring humans and machines back together. Each Neo has learned and grown slightly from the previous, until our Neo chooses Trinity. Instead of rebirth again for Zion, he chooses the door on the left. Thus the Revolution begins.

Where Neo is the saviour of humanity, Smith could also be considered the same for machines. As Neo realizes his ablitity to cross the gap between humans and machines, Smith also learns this ability though from machines to humans. Thus is why he's able to tap into the human form and take over Bane's body. This also explains why Neo is able to see the machine's as the light in the real world. They've begun the crossing of both planes, that eventually leads to the coexistence of humans and machines in the end. However, Smith also learned how to grow similar to humans. Beforehand, machines were uncapable of this growth. They worked in a simplistic perfection, fullfilling only the purpose of their existence. Because of this Smith becomes the virus of the machine world, spreading thoughout and threatening the future exsistence of the machines. Because of Neo's ability to cross the machine and human world, he lead Smith to a point that the machines were able to destroy him permanently. Thus is what happens at the end of Revolutions, through Neo the machines destory the virus Smith has become.

I read a lot of you complaining about the child that's prevailent through the movie. She too is a symbol of the future coexhistence of machines and humans. The machines didn't understand love on a human level, but as the program (the father of the child) revealed, they understood the connection between two programs. Thus this is the first child born of a human understanding. She serves no purpose, thus is why she's subject to deletion. Remember, the machines serve only their purpose, they don't grow or evolve. To save his child, the father has her trancend the machine world and the matrix via the frenchman and the train station. He's basically smuggling her inside where she'll be safe. This child is the 'last exile' because of her 'birth' via two programs who created her via a human trait. Thus the child herself is basically human.

The conclusion of the film was the perfect ending in my opinion, to what's to happen in the future for man and machine. The humans will be freed.

Oracle - Will you free the others?

Architect - Of Course...

Oracle - Do I have your word?

Architect - What do you think I am, Human?

This ending also leaves the assumption that eventualy this coexistence will wear thin. More than likely another form of the Matrix will be redeveloped and another annomoly, probably Neo from the Oracles quote about seeing him again, will rise and the cycle will begin again. Definitely leaves another movie or more open for the future.

[Solitude]

Originally posted by diergray
This series reminds me of Highlander. It started with a brilliant premise and then just lost its way.
I disagree with people who say the answers are there. There were too many interesting ideas setup in the second movie for me to understand how they could have taken the third movie in the direction that they did.
Oh well, just like with Highlander you watch the first one and ignore the rest. And then hope that they will make a cool TV series based on the original.

That's the best post about the series.

Originally posted by Shauk
they only used those lasers for cutting through the ships so they could get inside. they were short range at that.

the claws had a longer range and they utilized horde strategies.

I remember the lasers were powerful enough to cut through the hull of the Nebekanezzer (sp?) and then through the next level or two of interior equipment and decking... but I *could* be wrong.

_________________


I'm just glad the series is over and ... yeah. That's all I have to say.

[UyEnHeAd]

i still don't totally understand neo's powers...at the end of reloaded when he stopped the machines as well as in revolutions...i understand that he was at the source when he talked with the architect but i don't see how that gives him extra powers...

[Mr.Deflok]

Two things I'd like to mention, Smith had a screen presence in Revolutions that I have never felt before, as he walked into the room where the Oracle sat smoking her cigarette I was overwhelmed with fear, no on-screen villain has ever been able to do that to me.

Second thing, when the machines takes Neo's body away we see it in Neo's special vision, I assumed that it meant Neo was still alive but his purpose was fulfilled so his existance is no longer required... I'm not sure why it is they put that shot in there...

[hilbert25]

I for one was happy about the negative, reviews. I went in expecting a crappy movie and was surprised by it being pretty good.

The movie is not the worst movie I've paid to see, and it's far from the best, but it was a good use of my time. The battle scenes were amazing, unlike most CG, I completely forgot it was made by a computer. The plot had holes, the music was terrible compared to the first one (more conventional, where the first one was uber-slick), and it didn't really feel like it related to the first one at all. The first one was a very small scale movie, where small victories mattered. The third one tried to turn the series into this crazy epic scope. It proved to be too large of a jump.

It was especially well made, and certain things were brilliant. Agent Smith, Zion, the fact that the violence in the real world seemed so much more.... disturbing than that of the matrix, the glimmer of sunlight.

[anti fishstick]

yeah i could have done without the sunset shit.

i thought the movie was way too predictable. i was saying the lines before they did at times and it was the first (obviously) time i saw it.

good fighting scenes though as always.

[cartmen34]

slight confusion. I see where to enter the Input codes. Those work fine. However, I do not see where to enter the binary, Hex, or 128-bit codes....?

Do you enter them in the same place as the Input codes? I've never messed around that much with the site, so I might be missing out on something obvious.

Help please? Thank you.

[Lord Humungus]

Mikado...from everything I have read, I relate to everything you have said the most.

I liked the way it ended. It ended the only way the movie could have ended.

Thanks for the time to write everything out. Reading it helped me organize me thoughts on the triology. Good work.

[agentsmith]

disappointment like no other

[mattevil]

i thought the reason neo can destroy stuff in the real world is becuse of the corruption with smith at the end of the first movie. i haven't seen the latest one though.

[Cynthetiq]

is the young girls reason for being to "make the sky"?

[Mikado]

Originally posted by Cynthetiq
is the young girls reason for being to "make the sky"?

The girl symbolizes the beginning of the revolution of the machine and human world. She's the first machine 'born' of two programs under the basic fundamental that humans call 'love'. Though the machines can't love in a way humans can, they understand the connection between the two programs that love creates. Thus the little girl is basically human, but 'born' of machine parents. She's the beginning of the machines evolution and their coexistence with the humans.

BTW, thank you Lord Humungus. I appreciate the comments. I really love this trilogy, and think the W. brothers did an amazing job bringing it all to film.

[docbungle]

How in the hell is the Oracle there at the end of the movie, enjoying the sunset, when Smith absorbs / takes her over halfway through the movie? She becomes another Smith, just like everyone else Smith takes over. Do all of the people Smith "absorbs" revert back to themselves onces Smith is terminated? There is no evidence to support this whatsoever.

Wtf.

Also, the sunset at the end is great and everything but, we're still being shone the inside of the matrix. We are looking at the Oracle, and since the Oracle is a program in the matrix, we know the sunset doesn't actually exist. What is happening in the REAL world? That's what matters. That was the whole point of the movie.

So Wtf to that one, too.

[Lord Humungus]

your first question.... my understanding is that Smith was VIRUS. A virus infects files/programs and such. Through Neo the computers where able to elminate the Virus from the matrix. What happens to a file or program you have when a virus has been removed? You are left with the file or program right? Once the virus was removed from the system, the matrix was restored.

To your second question, we saw just before that what was going on in the real world. The machines and humans had a truce. Then inside the system, we were shown the Architect and Oracle discuss the release of those that wanted to be freed so we were basically told humans would be freed.

I have to agree with Mikado that though there is a truce now between man and machine it will grow thin and the entire cycle will repeat itself bringing about another war and another savior.

History repeats itself...over and over and over and over.

Thats just my take on it.

[diergray]

If agent smith took over everyone in the matrix wouldnt he still exist in the cocooned bodies of everyone attached to the matrix? Or are they cleaned as well because they are permantently attached to the matrix?

[Mikado]

Originally posted by diergray
If agent smith took over everyone in the matrix wouldnt he still exist in the cocooned bodies of everyone attached to the matrix? Or are they cleaned as well because they are permantently attached to the matrix?

I personally feel that what happend between Neo and Smith was not much different than what a virus scan on your computer does. By absorbing Smith, Neo gave the machines all the code and abilities that Smith had gained over the course of the trilogy. With that knowledge, they were able to quarentine the virus Smith just as Norton would clean up your system. Before this point, the machines had not learned or evolved to the level Smith had. He took on the trait of growth from the humans, which put him in his virus-like state.

Afterwards, any program that had elements of the code from the virus Smith, would have been quarentined and cleansed. Therefore, the Oracle is back just as she was before.

[Lord Humungus]

Ill second that

[Lord Humungus]

ps..i hope we dont see a "SmithVirus" now that takes down servers all across the board. That would be pretty gay if a hacker used the name "Smith Virus". Just my opinion.

[rogue49]

Just saw it.
I enjoy it greatly.
This one KICKED-ASS (wow...battle scenes & heroism royale)

However...this cannot be the last one.
Way too many holes...way too many references to future stories.

Saying this is the last one is just a marketing gimick.
Seen it before...and we'll see it again.

I'm looking forward to the one that REALLY concludes it.
No worries...you definitely haven't seen the last of it.

Hollywood won't let them...and the players just need a break.

[Spinach_Indeed]

I don't think they'll be another film, but they're will be more in the form of Games, Books, Comics or whatever they can squeeze a story into. The opened up alot of things that could be discovered

The one I'm most intrested is Merv's realtionship to Sephrim, calling him the prodigal son, and Judas.

I felt that Revolutions and Reloaded would be better viewed as a single movie, in a Kill-Billish sort of way. I'm too tired to type out anything else, and what I have to say has been said before. So in general, I enjoyed the movie and enjoyed the series overall.

[floonine]

I'm sorry but I thought it was wonderful, and I left the theater extremely satisfied. The only way it could have been better is if Reloaded and Revolutions was viewed as one movie, like Spinach said.

[Nikilidstrom]

The Architect explained exactly what happened in Reloaded. Neo, the anomanly created by free wil, was reinserted back into the prime program of the matrix, thus allowing him to be assimilated back into the source. Smith was also assimilated back into the matrix's prime program because he had infected Neo just before his reinsertion, therefore connecting himself back to the source. Neo knew this had to happen, that it was his purpose, which is why he allowed Smith to infect him instead of fighting on. He made the comment , right before Smith infected him, that "You were right Smith. You were always right. This was innevitable." I'm probably not telling anyone anything new, but maybe this helps clear it up for a few.

The one thing that i think might be getting missed is that Smith was as much a threat to the humans as he was to the machines. In Reloaded he said that the reason for everything to exist was "to end", meaning to cease to exist. He felt this was his purpose now that he was "free," and with his hatred of humans as a whole, was out to kill every sentient being in existence. The reason that he was a threat to the machines was because he wanted to destroy the matrix and be able to get out, as he alludes to in the first movie. This, however, would destroy the machine power source as well, which they were obviously less prepared to accept than the Architect announced in Relaoded. At least that is what I got out of that dialogue.

And i do agree, as I probably said before, that together, Reloaded and Revolutions would make one hell of a movie, possibly THE definitive sci-fi movie of this generation. But apart, Revolutions just seemed far too trim and always in a hurry to end.
The sad thing is, how long will we have to wait for another original idea to find its way to the screen if there are no more matrix films. By my count, and this is only personal opinion, but before this, I would have to go all the way back to 1977, the first Star Wars, to find an idea as original as The Matrix. I just hope its not another 25-30 years to find another gem.