The Definative Matrix Revolutions Speculation Thread - Spoilers definately inside

[Lasereth]

Hey everyone, the official Matrix Revolutions Trailer came out today at <A HREF=http://www.whatisthematrix.com>WhatIsTheMatrix.com</A>. It looks amazing. I LOVED Reloaded (saw it four times in the theatre, once in IMAX) and I honestly can't fucking wait for Revolutions. This trailer may be even better than the Reloaded trailers which were excellent (especially the Super Bowl one). Take a look! Even if you hate the Matrix, at least take a look at the visuals.

-Lasereth

[AntHackerX]

Direct Link to Largest Version(~50 MB)

Yeah.

[Mr.Deflok]

I have at theory, and that is that all the Humans in the Real World are in fact Machines enslaved into another Matrix by the Humans... It's complicated but to all of those that I have mentioned it to, they've punched me in the face thinking that I spoiled Revolutions for them. Ah well, the world always finds it difficult to appreciate intelletuals.

I saw the trailer before work today and was buzzing about, it looks fucking amazing, I had seen all the TV Spots at CodeMatrix.com last week and loved those too.

Only a month and a bit to go!

[Batman976]

...and what is the human's purpose for enslaving those machines? And why would they trick the machines into thinking they were humans? You're theory is very confusing to me. Maybe I didn't read it right.

Oh, and thanks for posting the direct link AntHacker.

[John Falcon]

I seen that on www.comingsoon.net about a week ago.


Movie looks cool. I acutally liked Matrix 2, although most of my friends didn't.

[Moobie]

There is actually less reason for humans to enslave the machines than there is for the machines to enslave humans. And right now there's very little reason for the machines to be enslaving the humans as it is.

Using people as batteries is a terrible reason, I cannot accept that.

My only hope is that Revolutions explains the "real" reason for the Matrix. I don't care if the fight scenes are cool or what happens in the story. I would accept everyone dieing at the end or even some sort of human/machine treaty, I don't care, just as long as they give reason for the Matrix.

*pleasedon'tsuckpleasedon'tsuckpleasedon'tsuck*

[viveleroi0]

I like Martrix 2 as a blockbuster... great movie. But as a thinking piece like Matrix 1... it sucked.

Over all I love it though

[CyN1caL]

Revolutions looks great!

I only watched the trailer once though, I want to be as surprised as possible when I watch the movie the first time on the big screen.

[CSflim]

Originally posted by Moobie
There is actually less reason for humans to enslave the machines than there is for the machines to enslave humans. And right now there's very little reason for the machines to be enslaving the humans as it is.

Using people as batteries is a terrible reason, I cannot accept that.

My only hope is that Revolutions explains the "real" reason for the Matrix. I don't care if the fight scenes are cool or what happens in the story. I would accept everyone dieing at the end or even some sort of human/machine treaty, I don't care, just as long as they give reason for the Matrix.

*pleasedon'tsuckpleasedon'tsuckpleasedon'tsuck*

Totally.
It doesn't make sense that the brothers would go to such trouble to create an entire world...and make such a stupid mistake! Despite it being physically impossible to generate electricity from humans, Morpheus also mentions that the amchines also have fusion power. god-damn! Why go the the trouble of the matrix then...? Just make a huge fusion reactor. Problem solved!

Hopefully, revolutions will explain the REAL reason. Bear in mind, that it was Morpheus who told us/neo the purpose of the matrix...and as we now know, Morpheus is far from infallible!
Two possibilities:
1: After seeing "The New-Renassaince", it strikes me that a possibility is that the machines simply decidied that they couldn't hope to survive on a planet that was inhabited by humans...humans are after all so totally destructive. But rather than kill them off, they decided to do the "humane" thing, and merely incapasitate them. Placing them in the matrix would allow them to live their lives normally, without posing a danger to the machines. I believe, even King Solomon himself could not have come up with a better solution to the problem of the humans wanting to destroy the machines!
This is also backed up by the claim made by both Agent Smith and The Architect that the first version of the matrix was a "happy place".
2: The Matirx is a zoo. The machines have surpassed humans in almost all ways. They were created by man, and now they have surpassed man. But there seems to be something different about humans. Perhaps the Matrix is some sort of experiment, by the machines, to try to understand their creators. What are emotions such as "love" and "fear" etc? What is "music" and "art"? Why the self destructive tendancies? What is "free will" and "choice"? Backed up by Agent Smith reffering to the Matirx as a "zoo", and the fact that "the mother of the matrix" (the oracle?) was created to study human emotion.

I am going to be righteously pissed off if Revolutions is anythign less than amazing!

[Mr. Spacemonkey]

I can't wait to see this movie seeing as how much i liked the first two.

[Moobie]

CSflim,

Yes, yes you see what I'm talking about. There is no reason for the machines to allow humanity to survive if their only reason is for power.

I mean seriously, are they trying to make us believe that the machines can develop the ability to reengineer themselves, creating newer and better versions, hover tech, the matrix itself, and god knows what else, but they can't build a spaceship to get above the cloud layer? Or even easier, do you think the machines don't know about geothermal power? No one would use their most hated, and not to mention dangerous, enemy as power. Even if it was efficent, which it can't be. For christ's sake use cattle.

I guess that would make it the Mootrix... sorry.

I have a couple of ideas. One, the machines cannot destroy humanity, because of some sort of Laws of Robotics. They cannot wipe out the human race on their own. Which could explain the choice that Neo is given, either save humanity or save Trinity. They cannot destroy us, but by giving him the choice it allows them a way around their programing because they are not making the decision, a human is.

Or the Matrix is for our own safety. The machines may have decided that humans were as much a danger to themselves as they are to everything else. And so they made the Matrix as the ultimate crash helmet.

There's probably more ways that this could go, but as long as it's not the "coppertop" ending I think I can live with it.

[Mr.Deflok]

If you've seen Second Renaissance you'll have noticed that the machines are spoken of in high regard, in fact humans are downplayed to be inferior.

My theory is that after Zero One was bombed the machines lost. Please note here that Zero One and Zion are pretty much the same word. I believe at this point in Second Renaissance the machines were enslaved into a Matrix and in order to make them believe that they were real in the real world they were put into a sub-matrix governed by the machines we see (like the sentinels).

Why would the machines be enslaved? Ethics. If we clone a human, does that give us any right to kill the clone? Is it any different from killing a normally bred human? No. The fact of the matter is that the clone is a sentient living being. To a certain degree the machines are too. AI, it thinks therefore it is. The machines know pain, they know what feelings are, they know oppression, they're social and they have the desire to pro-create. All just like humans.

Think about it.

[CSflim]

Originally posted by Moobie
I have a couple of ideas. One, the machines cannot destroy humanity, because of some sort of Laws of Robotics. They cannot wipe out the human race on their own. Which could explain the choice that Neo is given, either save humanity or save Trinity. They cannot destroy us, but by giving him the choice it allows them a way around their programing because they are not making the decision, a human is.

Yeah, I noticed the apparent parrallels between Neo's choice and Asimov's Laws. But bear in mind that the Agents kill people all the time.
This could be explained by:
1: Killing the odd person here and there isn't the same thing as wiping out an entire race. But this doesn't sit well, in my opinion, with "machine logic": killing is killing, end of story.
2: They don't actually die, but this would require a "matrix within a matrix" explaination....an "afterlife" matrix? !

Or the Matrix is for our own safety. The machines may have decided that humans were as much a danger to themselves as they are to everything else. And so they made the Matrix as the ultimate crash helmet.

Yeah, that pretty much the way I was thinking with my first explaination.

Once again...Revolutions had better not suck!...or I am going on a killing spree!

[CSflim]

Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
If you've seen Second Renaissance you'll have noticed that the machines are spoken of in high regard, in fact humans are downplayed to be inferior.

My theory is that after Zero One was bombed the machines lost. Please note here that Zero One and Zion are pretty much the same word. I believe at this point in Second Renaissance the machines were enslaved into a Matrix and in order to make them believe that they were real in the real world they were put into a sub-matrix governed by the machines we see (like the sentinels).

Why would the machines be enslaved? Ethics. If we clone a human, does that give us any right to kill the clone? Is it any different from killing a normally bred human? No. The fact of the matter is that the clone is a sentient living being. To a certain degree the machines are too. AI, it thinks therefore it is. The machines know pain, they know what feelings are, they know oppression, they're social and they have the desire to pro-create. All just like humans.

Think about it.

MINDFUCK!
I like this ending, but I doubt that it will turn out to be the real one.
But yeah, you're right ZeroOne/Zion is definately of some significance or other.
It would also explain why the EMO from the nukes that bombed ZeroOne didn't destroy the machines....


BTW: On an unrelated note if ANYONE decides to post spoilers in this thread, I will personally hunt them down and kill them...painfully and slowly.
We are all aware that there are (supposed) spoilers available on the net. If I want to spoil my most eagerly anticipated movie ever, I know where to look, and I will do so of my own accord thank you.

[EeOh1]

I'm not a Martix fan really, but the trailer did look amazing. Very well done.

Too bad Keanu only has one facial expression.

[CSflim]

Originally posted by EeOh1
Too bad Keanu only has one facial expression.

Can't argue with that, I suppose.

[pancakerabbit]

D'oh, downloaded mac version of the trailer by mistake >_<

[skinbag]

In the end of Reloaded Neo sensed that the "Real World" was in fact another Matrix. I have no proof, but that's how it looked to me. He's in a coma because he has left his body behind. Who needs to plug in when you are The One?

[LaZy]

WOW! I wasn't that big of a fan of the second movie but after watching that trailer.....the third movie looks like its gonna kick ass.

[Mr.Deflok]

Something else I feel I must add. Further proof to Neo being a machine in the Matrix is that he has the ability to discharge EMP's. You'll have noticed that he goes into a coma at th end of Reloaded when he does so, EMP's affect all robotic equipment in the immediate vicinity. Bane too falls into a coma and how is this? It is said he was the sole survivor of the failed EMP attack on the machines, Bane + EMP = Coma, Neo + EMP = Coma.

Hmmm...

p.s. If I'm wrong about all of this: lol

[sadistikdreams]

Alright, children.

This movie is going to suck if they completely kill off Smith.
Just that laugh... It gives me such a good feeling. I will cry
if they just kill him off. I cried when Neo killed him in the
first movie. Hugo Weaving's character gives me a pleasure
inside, so good it rivals orgasm. I will burn my television
once they start playing the trailers on TV. I hate how much
they pimp a movie. That scence in the rain... I cannot wait
to see. I dont even give a shit if it makes sense or not. I
believe with movies, and books, it is simply how you
(cant find the word) it. In my mind, to the machines, The
Matrix itself is very little. I believe that the machines live as
we do now. Like humans. In a human like society. Because
that is what they are. Well. That's what the AI tells them.
AI... That's artificial intelligence. That brings up a problem
though. Intelligence does not equal and/or create emotion.
I do not believe you can have a society without emotion. But Smith
has emotions. He hates Neo. Smith is a program. It
may be possible to write emotion. If you can write emotion
into the Matrix, can you not write it into a machine. A robot.
A robot is basically a computer. And whenever they refer to
"machine mainframe", it is my belief that they are just talking
about the mainframe of the matrix. I think that the Real
World contains a vast city of machines. It makes me think of
colonial America. We were once controlled. Britain came to
exterminate us. The machines will try to exterminate Zion.
I've been to Britian, and they teach very little of the American
Revolution. The machines of Zero One, or whatever they call
their city(s), know little of Zion. I am sure that there are some
machines that support Zion. Hippie-robots. These robots may
have every right to protest. If humans created the machines in
their own image, I believe the machines think very similar to
humans. They have the same laws. Same ethics as the men
who created them. Alright, that's enough shit from me. Before
I turn into a COMPLETE AND TOTAL NERD.

But dont worry, I'll be back later if you wanna debate.

[DownwardSpiral]

I am very much looking forward to the Matrix Revolutions. The sooner it comes out the better.

[pancakerabbit]

Wow, the trailer's awesome, but it didn't make me nearly as excited as the reloaded trailer did. Maybe it was because Reloaded came out years after The Matrix and Revolutions is coming out less than a year after Reloaded.

[CSflim]

Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
Something else I feel I must add. Further proof to Neo being a machine in the Matrix is that he has the ability to discharge EMP's. You'll have noticed that he goes into a coma at th end of Reloaded when he does so, EMP's affect all robotic equipment in the immediate vicinity. Bane too falls into a coma and how is this? It is said he was the sole survivor of the failed EMP attack on the machines, Bane + EMP = Coma, Neo + EMP = Coma.

Hmmm...

p.s. If I'm wrong about all of this: lol

Neo didn't give out an EMP. In this film, EMPs are signified by a "blue light".
Also bear in mind that Neo has been near EMPs before, without any adverse effects.

[sloindahed]

Anyone else notice the LOGOS flying through a blue sky at the end of the trailer?

[Cardinal Syn]

OMFG WHOOOOO YAHHH! That gave me GOOSEBUMPS!! GOD that was amazing!!! I just creamed my shorts. I am all excited now :<


Yea i noticed the blue sky. Things that make ya go Hmmmmmmmm....

[Jack Ruby]

Trailer looks very interesting. I was kind of disappointed with Reloaded, but it looks like I'm going to enjoy Revolutions.

I'm not too sure about all these wacky "machines are slaves, matrix within a matrix" theories though. Primarily because they would completely invalidate all the spin-offs and side projects (the comic books, The Animatrix). That, and the story's weird enough as it is - it's unlikely a big studio like Warner Brothers is going to take the risk of really confusing or disappointing the public by putting such a weird spin on the entire series at the last moment.

But hey, time will tell.

[Mr.Deflok]

You do know that there is a Matrix Online game that is set after Matrix Revolutions don't you?

[CSflim]

Originally posted by Mr.Deflok
You do know that there is a Matrix Online game that is set after Matrix Revolutions don't you?

I wonder if that will suck as much as Enter The Matrix?
Man! What a disappointment!
I mean dodging bullets and running up walls in ultra slow motion is pretty cool and all...but it gets a bit repetitive after...oohh about ten minutes!

[Lasereth]

Originally posted by sadistikdreams
Alright, children.

This movie is going to suck if they completely kill off Smith.
Just that laugh... It gives me such a good feeling. I will cry
if they just kill him off. I cried when Neo killed him in the
first movie. Hugo Weaving's character gives me a pleasure
inside, so good it rivals orgasm. I will burn my television
once they start playing the trailers on TV. I hate how much
they pimp a movie. That scence in the rain... I cannot wait
to see. I dont even give a shit if it makes sense or not. I
believe with movies, and books, it is simply how you
(cant find the word) it. In my mind, to the machines, The
Matrix itself is very little. I believe that the machines live as
we do now. Like humans. In a human like society. Because
that is what they are. Well. That's what the AI tells them.
AI... That's artificial intelligence. That brings up a problem
though. Intelligence does not equal and/or create emotion.
I do not believe you can have a society without emotion. But Smith
has emotions. He hates Neo. Smith is a program. It
may be possible to write emotion. If you can write emotion
into the Matrix, can you not write it into a machine. A robot.
A robot is basically a computer. And whenever they refer to
"machine mainframe", it is my belief that they are just talking
about the mainframe of the matrix. I think that the Real
World contains a vast city of machines. It makes me think of
colonial America. We were once controlled. Britain came to
exterminate us. The machines will try to exterminate Zion.
I've been to Britian, and they teach very little of the American
Revolution. The machines of Zero One, or whatever they call
their city(s), know little of Zion. I am sure that there are some
machines that support Zion. Hippie-robots. These robots may
have every right to protest. If humans created the machines in
their own image, I believe the machines think very similar to
humans. They have the same laws. Same ethics as the men
who created them. Alright, that's enough shit from me. Before
I turn into a COMPLETE AND TOTAL NERD.

But dont worry, I'll be back later if you wanna debate.

Man, I'm very very glad that the Wachowski Brothers made Smith a main aspect of the Matrix Trilogy. When I first saw Smith walking through those crows before the Burly Brawl, I about had a shitfit. Smith is one bad motherfucker, and it has only exponentially increased with the Revolutions trailer. It seems that the entire trilogy is based on Smith vs Neo, which I think is a very good path to take. Instead of it being the humans vs the machines, now it's Neo vs Smith. Personalizing the entire saga makes it seem more in-depth.

If the trailer is anything of what the movie will be, Revolutions is going to be as good if not better than Reloaded (which was better than the first in my opinion).

-Lasereth

[Mind_Storm]

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article.php?varArtID=196


"Revolutions" Will Release at the Exact Same Time Everywhere

Warner Bros.
September 29, 2003

Burbank, CA - Through IMAX Digital Re-Mastering Technology, Highly Anticipated Film Will Also Debut in IMAX® Theatres in the U.S. on November 5, Marking the First Time a Major Live Action Movie is Released Concurrently in 35MM and IMAX's Format

Warner Bros. Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures will unveil The Matrix Revolutions, the final explosive chapter in the blockbuster Matrix trilogy, at the exact same moment in time in every major city around the world on November 5. This unprecedented distribution scenario will make the highly anticipated film available to fans simultaneously at 6 a.m. in Los Angeles, 9 a.m. in New York, 2 p.m. in London, 5 p.m. in Moscow, 11 p.m. in Tokyo and at corresponding times in over 50 additional countries worldwide. The announcement was made today by Dan Fellman, President of Domestic Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures, and Veronika Kwan-Rubinek, President of International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures.

"Given the enormous popularity and success of the Matrix films throughout the international community, we're thrilled that we can bring the final chapter of this amazing trilogy to fans simultaneously around the world," Kwan-Rubinek said. "We thank our exhibitors for their unqualified support in staging this extraordinary event."

"The zero hour simultaneous opening of Revolutions once again positions the Matrix films as the cutting edge experience in motion pictures," Fellman added. "Audiences came out to see The Matrix Reloaded in record numbers, and we appreciate the enthusiasm, collaboration and support of our exhibitors in helping us bring The Matrix Revolutions to audiences on November 5."

"We received such an overwhelming response to `Reloaded' from audiences around the globe that the Wachowski Brothers wanted to give our fans the chance to experience the final piece of the Matrix puzzle at the same time in every major city worldwide," said Joel Silver, producer of the phenomenal Matrix trilogy. "It's an incredibly complex and exciting venture that furthers the Wachowskis' vision and underscores the trilogy's theme of integration."

To date, The Matrix Reloaded has earned over $734 million in worldwide box office, making it the highest-grossing film of 2003 and the highest-grossing R-rated film in history, both domestically and internationally. Additionally, Reloaded scored the record for the largest single week ever with $158.2 million and reached $150 million in a record-breaking six days domestically; internationally, it is the 10th highest grossing film of all-time, and is the first film in history to gross more than $100 million in a single weekend.

In conjunction with the Revolutions worldwide distribution event, The Matrix Revolutions: The IMAX Experience will debut at IMAX Theatres in the United States on November 5. This marks the first time a major Hollywood live-action event film is released concurrently in 35mm and IMAX's revolutionary 15/70 format.

Warner Bros. Pictures and Village Roadshow Pictures previously collaborated with IMAX on the hugely successful release of The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience, which debuted on 39 IMAX screens on June 6, launching three weeks after the 35mm theatrical release of The Matrix Reloaded on May 15. The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience later expanded to 54 IMAX screens throughout North America and 12 screens internationally, grossing $12.4 million worldwide to date.

"Following the unprecedented audience response and box office performance of The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience, we couldn't be happier to offer fans the chance to see The Matrix Revolutions: The IMAX Experience on the same day as we open `Revolutions' in 35mm," Dan Fellman said.

Like The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience, The Matrix Revolutions: The IMAX Experience has been digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience® through revolutionary and proprietary IMAX® DMR(TM) (Digital Re-mastering) technology. IMAX Theatres offer unequalled clarity and intensity of image as audiences experience one of the biggest films of the year on screens up to eight stories tall and 120 feet wide, and surrounded by 12,000 watts of pure digital sound.

In The Matrix Revolutions, the final chapter in the Matrix trilogy, the rebels' long quest for freedom culminates in an explosive battle. As the Machine Army wages devastation on Zion, its citizens mount an aggressive defense -- but can they stave off the relentless swarm of Sentinels long enough for Neo to harness the full extent of his powers and end the war?

Written and directed by the Wachowski Brothers and produced by Joel Silver, The Matrix Revolutions stars Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hugo Weaving and Jada Pinkett Smith.

The Matrix Revolutions will be released worldwide on November 5 by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, and in select territories by Village Roadshow Pictures.

[dragonhawk]

Wow!!!

Counting the days!

[Arc101]

Hmm probably being released everywhere at the same time coz it is crap. They are hoping lots of people see it before the reviews start putting people off.

[Redlemon]

Arc101, you beat me to it. I bet they have no "preview" screenings for the press, either; that is another sure sign of suckitude.

[Mind_Storm]

I doubt this movie will suck..The previews & trailer were fantastic..If this movie is a flop, they will have to literally go out of their way to make it so.

Reloaded was excellent with the exception of a few blips here and there so i expect big things from this one.

Being somewhat of a marketing guru this is an excellent marketing tactic..Flood the market-place with your product in hopes of a HUGE return on investment..These boys are going for it..They're going for the record..I see it already.

This will be the biggest single week gross of all time.

[Lasereth]

For those saying that they are just putting it out with no preview screenings so they can release a crappy movie without getting crappy reviews fast:

The Matrix Reloaded could not be found on any p2p file sharing networks when it was going to be released; everyone that read the script/screenplay of the movie had to sign a contract saying that they would not reveal any info about the movie. Everyone who saw any filming of the movie had to do the same. Look how Reloaded turned out: the movie was most excellent, and it grossed nearly $400,000,000, shattering any rated R records that had previously been made. The Wachowski Brothers simply want the moment that ends the trilogy that made them famous to be incredibly spectacular. I guarantee it will be.

-Lasereth

[docbungle]

Plenty of people were HUGELY dissapointed with Reloaded. I am one of them.

[Lasereth]

Originally posted by docbungle
Plenty of people were HUGELY dissapointed with Reloaded. I am one of them.

There's a big difference between being disappointed and the movie being bad. The first time I saw it, I was disappointed simply because it wasn't what I thought it would be. I gave it another chance, and ended up seeing it 4 times in theater and once in IMAX. Sure, it was disappointing to what we all thought it would be, but the movie is a fucking masterpiece. It wasn't anything like the first one, but it sure as hell wasn't anything near "bad."

Most people that I've talked to that didn't like it and/or thought it was disappointing just wanted to see the first one with a different plot. That's not what happened with Reloaded. The Matrix was just the introduction to a huge world that would have two sequels. The Wachowski Brothers HAD to make it different than the last two simply to make it viewable to audiences in case there wasn't sequels.

I've said this dozens of times, but The Matrix was like a videogame, and Reloaded was like a novel. The Wachowski Brothers wanted to draw audiences in with the first one, and then show them that they could do better with Reloaded. They did, by far. If you found Reloaded disappointing, I'd say there's a big chance that it simply wasn't what you wanted/expected. Watch it again (or even twice), and I guarantee your opinion on it will change. Mine sure as hell did; it actually got much better each time I saw it.

I just hate how most people that saw it were confused by the plot or simply didn't like it's steer away from the first one and automatically labelled it as bad. Look at Terminator 2 and the first one. The second one was nothing like the first, yet is considered the better of the two. Change is GOOD sometimes!

Sorry for going off, but I simply can't stand it when a cinematic masterpiece is degraded because of reasons that can be avoided. Roger Ebert seems to be the only movie critic I read that sees this movie the way it should be seen: a completely different experience than the first movie, with the only thing tying them together being the characters. I suppose that's why he also gave it a great review.

I'm not pointing this at anyone, so don't take offense. Just a die-hard Matrix fan that actually sees past my first opinions. I'm willing to have an open-mind, and after seeing Reloaded once, I'm sure as hell glad I have that ability. I probably wouldn't have seen Reloaded again if I didn't.

-Lasereth

[Atomsk]

check out the new trailer at www.movie-list.com
very cool.

[bundy]

actually, that might work out well for Sydney...

**doing some maths**

if its 6am in LA, then it must be... no wait ... thats going to SUCK

- i think that means a 1am opening for Sydney.

(Aussies - don´t trust my maths - work it out for yourselves then correct me if i´m wrong)