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Do you use stevia?
I've read a lot about stevia lately (mainly because I've been reading "natural living" books from the library), and actually tried some the other day. It made my iced tea taste fabulous
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I have tried it and don't care for the taste. We use honey, agave syrup, maple syrup - things like that to sweaten and organic sugar when you really need sugar. They are all better for your glysemic levels.
You just can't beat the taste of locally produced honey in your tea. It helps with allergies as well since local honey is made from local pollen that usually has an impact on allergies.
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She's Actual Size
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I try to avoid sucralose, though... is aces-k a chemical substitute? I haven't heard of that one. Quote:
mmmm, honey. I'm definitely a fan ![]()
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I have a bottle of stevia extract seems to have a slight peppery note that's not pleasant in certain drinks or dishes. Works really well in something like chai or hot/sweet styles of cooking.
I also have some stevia plants growing in my herb garden, but they're not big enough yet for harvesting. At some point I plan on growing tea, as well, and then figuring out some mixture of fresh leaves from both plants.
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Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
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Steve Vai?
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She's Actual Size
Location: Central Republic of Where-in-the-Hell
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heh...I don't think Mr. Vai would appreciate being used to sweeten my cereal & drinks. Although, if you have some inside info that would suggest otherwise... ![]()
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Location: East-central Canada
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Whatever you do, stay away from refined sugar. You can get the same taste from organic brown sugar - it just isn't an pretty and doesn't flow as smoothly. And the one thing worse than refined sugar is high fructose corn syrup. I think Kayro (spelling?) white corn syrup is basically that chemical but their dark stuff is not. But check the label!!
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warrior bodhisattva
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Other good alternatives to refined sugar are honey, real maple syrup, and molasses. Full of antioxidants and some nutrients, especially the molasses. I think molasses are delicious. I even put it in my coffee.
But remember, sugar is sugar. The calories are pretty close to one another, it's the stuff that isn't removed that's different.
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She's Actual Size
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I definitely want to try the agave syrup, too. Is agave syrup the same as agave nectar, or no?
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Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
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you must be hungry most of the time....that shit is in EVERY-FUCKING-THING
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warrior bodhisattva
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Most things in a box are crap!
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Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.
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its true that HFCS is found only in processed food, but sometimes, if you look close, you'll find something that you THOUGHT was a raw food product is, in fact, processed with stuff like HFCS.
example: the little packets of honey that KFC gives you to put on your biscuits and/or chicken is only 10% honey...most of the rest of it is HFCS
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warrior bodhisattva
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Location: East-central Canada
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If HFCS were switched out with honey, we'd have similar health problems related to the consumption of sugar. Either sugar-based product is relatively low in nutritional value. Stop drinking 200 calories of it each time you're thirsty. I think this claim is related to insulin response and cravings. But this relates to many foods, not just HFCS.
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I've seen a lot of wild claims regarding HFCS, but I have seen no compelling evidence that it's more harmful than any other type of sugar, despite having asked for it in the past. If you want to argue that it's damaging on an economic level, then go right ahead. But health-wise? I'm just not buying it without some proof. It strikes me as being very similar to the FUD that surrounds the organic food movement in general. EDIT - Also, it's worth noting that if you're eating at KFC the last thing you need to worry about health-wise are the sauce packets.
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I'm not going to waste time looking up crap to prove a point. I don't save what I learn about in case I need to prove a point to someone. Do what you want. As others have said, you don't have the glycemic issues with honey, pure maple syrup, agave and molassis, to name a few sugars
And by the way, honey in a plastic wrapper at KFC is a processed food. And don't get me started on plastics - what they do to your body and the amount of oil they require to produce. Eat all of that stuff you want. As for me I'll stick with organic which isn't loaded with pesticides, antibiotics and other choice ingredients big business adds to cut costs and make money. You might as well spray Raid over your grill when you are cooking out to keep flys away if you dump on organic foods. Survival of the fitest. Quality of life. Are you willing to take chances?
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With HFCS, it's more that I just don't like the idea of it. My body knows what to do with sugar.... a severally-times-processed sugar like substance? Meh. I'd rather just have some self control. And I don't like things that are that sweet, anyway.
I definitely do note a greater tendency towards migraines when I eat food with HFCS, it that matters to you.
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warrior bodhisattva
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Location: East-central Canada
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The GI of watermelon is 72; oats are around 58. Confused yet? GI alone isn't a good indicator as to whether you should eat something. You need to look at total calories expressed as a percentage of your overall intake. It's quite confusing. Even to scientists.
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She's Actual Size
Location: Central Republic of Where-in-the-Hell
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It's mostly in processed foods, which as thingstodo pointed out, also have hydrogenated oils...something else I avoid as much as possible.
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A Storm Is Coming
Location: The Great White North
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I Googled and ran across this:
But there's another reason to avoid HFCS. Consumers may think that because it contains fructose--which they associate with fruit, which is a natural food--that it is healthier than sugar. A team of investigators at the USDA, led by Dr. Meira Field, has discovered that this just ain't so. Sucrose is composed of glucose and fructose. When sugar is given to rats in high amounts, the rats develop multiple health problems, especially when the rats were deficient in certain nutrients, such as copper. The researchers wanted to know whether it was the fructose or the glucose moiety that was causing the problems. So they repeated their studies with two groups of rats, one given high amounts of glucose and one given high amounts of fructose. The glucose group was unaffected but the fructose group had disastrous results. The male rats did not reach adulthood. They had anemia, high cholesterol and heart hypertrophy--that means that their hearts enlarged until they exploded. They also had delayed testicular development. Dr. Field explains that fructose in combination with copper deficiency in the growing animal interferes with collagen production. (Copper deficiency, by the way, is widespread in America.) In a nutshell, the little bodies of the rats just fell apart. The females were not so affected, but they were unable to produce live young. "The medical profession thinks fructose is better for diabetics than sugar," says Dr. Field, "but every cell in the body can metabolize glucose. However, all fructose must be metabolized in the liver. The livers of the rats on the high fructose diet looked like the livers of alcoholics, plugged with fat and cirrhotic." HFCS contains more fructose than sugar and this fructose is more immediately available because it is not bound up in sucrose. Since the effects of fructose are most severe in the growing organism, we need to think carefully about what kind of sweeteners we give to our children. Fruit juices should be strictly avoided--they are very high in fructose--but so should anything with HFCS. Interestingly, although HFCS is used in many products aimed at children, it is not used in baby formula, even though it would probably save the manufactueres a few pennies for each can. Do the formula makers know something they aren't telling us? Pretty murky! I was unaware of the liver connection.
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Much of the HFCS in soft drinks is 55% fructose. Honey is 39%. And almost all of apples' sweetness comes from fructose...which burns slower than other sugars, by the way.
I wouldn't worry about HFCS and your liver enough to avoid it like the plague. But I wouldn't fill over 10% of my daily calories with it either.
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Sorry, aces-k is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acesulfame_potassium. We tend to shorten the name on some of the products, and I forget that some aren't as well known as the others.
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thingstodo - Got a link for that?
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Dr. Fields' work was only tangentially related to the harmful effects of fructose and doesn't seem to be even slightly related to high fructose corn syrup. Judging by the extracts available, she was studying the effects of copper-deficient diets and the carbohydrates were a mechanism rather than the subject of study. Quote:
The 'won't somebody think of the children' clause is pure sensationalism. Quote:
Perhaps I was unclear. Long unsourced quotes are not compelling evidence. Find me a peer-reviewed or otherwise reputable study stating that high fructose corn syrup is more dangerous than glucose and I'll believe you. Until then, it's so much FUD, in my opinion. I'm not arguing that high fructose corn syrup is healthy. It's certainly not. My stance is that it's no more harmful than any other sugar. There's no intuitive reason to think it is and so far as I'm aware there is no actual scientific data to the contrary.
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Like I said, I just dropped in the first thing I ran across when I Googled the subject. I'm sure you'll run across the same link if you Google.
Dude...perhaps I was unclear. I'm not wasting any additional time on this for you. You obviously don't care what you put in your body and just want to debate. On the other hand, I care more about the former and none about the latter. Eat, drink and be unhealthy! Cheers!
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I'm not a fan of misinformation and I don't believe anything because random people tell me to. If there's a real scientific basis behind the notion of something being unhealthy, I'll listen. There is nothing that I've seen to suggest that high fructose corn syrup is any more unhealthy than any other type of sugar. All sugar is bad for you. It's empty calories and can cause a lot of different health problems if taken in excessive amounts. If your shortcut for reducing sugar intake is to cut high fructose corn syrup out of your diet, then I have no problem with that. But keep in mind that the organic food people don't really care about you. It doesn't matter to them if you live longer or are healthier. They want your money, and that's it; their favourite tactic for getting it is to spread the FUD around regarding non-organic foods. It's worth noting that high fructose corn syrup is almost never used in Canada. I have yet to see it on a single ingredient list; manufacturers up here use plain old sucrose instead. I have no vested interest in the high fructose corn syrup discussion because I am not consuming any and it'd be easy for me to jump on the bandwagon. Unfortunately for me, I prefer correct over easy; it's lead to all manner of hardship in the past.
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HFCS in-and-of itself bad for you. It's quantity that matters. Contrary to the anecdotal experiences of a few websites you might've visited, there are hundreds upon hundreds of cited, verifiable research studies on HFCS and the process involved in making it. It's not this this dangerous "unnatural" chemical that organic food nuts seem to believe it is.
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A Storm Is Coming
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Eat up! Enjoy!! Make sure the chemical and pharmaceutical companies marketing this crap in order to line their pockets make tons of cash and line the pockets of the politicians. Sign up for their great marketing efforts. Buy the story.
While you're at it, buy some (non-organic) antibiotic laden milk or hormone infested chicken. Perhaps some beef grown on a farm with both ingredients, all of which were trucked miles and miles to reach you from the industrialized meet factories. Sustainability at its finest based on slight reinvestments of the money your offer them like tithes at a church. Our food system is so corrupt because of money (thank you, Wall Street) it isn't even funny. I've been around long enough to have experienced the subtle changes and don't need studies to see what is obvious. Make room for the intelligent survivors of the world.
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Get real. You're embarrassing yourself.
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I have not tried it in food.
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She's Actual Size
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heh...that mde me laugh. I've stopped using certain types of lip gloss for the same reason ![]() I went ahead and bought a box of the stuff, and it's not bad at all. Granted, I've only used it in iced tea and to make my own version of limeade (yummy!), but there isn't much else I sweeten at the moment.
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Location: The Great White North
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![]() Mock and denounce? Only in your mind, not in mine and certainly not my intention. Any mockery I make is mockery of our industrialized food system. The very food system that created iceberg lettuce because it ships effectively, even though it has no nutritional value. But it is sad that you thought it was about and directed at you! Now, if you represent that industrialized food system then I suppose you would be at least partially correct. ![]() And I dare say there's no embarressment on this side; I'm quite content but I cannot speak for you. But thank you for your concern. ![]() You'll always be my favorite Martian.
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That said, I turned up a great study on Medline (via EBSCOhost, the article database, via my university's library) that will clarify some things said here (keep in mind, this is just the abstract, I don't have access to the full study without hunting down the actual journal in the library): Quote:
You can view a different abstract of the same study here: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/5/1194 As Jinn said--it's all about moderation. Personally, I don't eat products containing HCFS. But that's because I prefer the flavor of sucrose, given the choice.
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Main Entry: out·ra·geous Pronunciation: \(ˌ)au̇t-ˈrā-jəs\ Function: adjective Date: 14th century 1 a: exceeding the limits of what is usual b: not conventional or matter-of-fact : fantastic 2: violent, unrestrained 3 a: going beyond all standards of what is right or decent <an outrageous disregard of human rights> b: deficient in propriety or good taste <outrageous language> <outrageous manners> And here's the link since it's so important to you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outrageous Also, I see many, many opinions bandied about on TFP. They don't support these opinions with peer reviewed research and links. In fact, most of what I see on TFP is opinion backed up by other opinion. This isn't some college class, it's a board. Hell, even the supposed peer reviewed links, etc., are internet links and we all know how trustworthy the internet can be. You can even fabricate links to publications like the Journal of Medicine and other publications. I would have to say lighten up a little.
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Mocking me for an opinion that is unsupported doesn't change where the ultimate responsibility rests if the reader is considering changing the way they do things. If I was suspicious in the first place I would hardly rely only on support provided by the one person I questioned - especially on an internet forum where the members are not vetted. That's like taking blogging as real news. Sorry, but personal responsibility (response-able as Stephen Covey would say in the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, an actual published book) trumps everything - in my "opinion" - with no supporting peer reviews for my opinion other than his book.
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