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Old 07-22-2005, 10:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Windows XP networking

Ok, I read everything thru the computer thread and didn't really find a solution to what my problem is. I haven't a clue of what information is needed, but I'm gonna try to put in as much as I can.

So, I've got two computers trying to network them so that my daughter can use the internet from hers with mine hosting. I want to be able to turn off her access from mine. Sound silly? Not really... she's 9. I sometimes have a connection between them. I don't believe it to be the cables but some setting that I've either missed or didn't configure right.

We are both running Windows XP Professional SP2. I have a hub by Linksys, a Etherfast 10/100 5 port workgroup hub, model EFAH05W. Her ethernet card is a Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller. Mine however is a Linksys LNE100TX Fast Ethernet Adapter (LNE100TX v4). I am using two modems, since dial-up is the only option here, no dsl or cable avaible. Besides, I can't do gaming on a satellite and that's the only other option besides dialup.

I've done the Network Setup Wizard with no luck. I have lights on all that needs them. The back of the cards as well as the two on the hub. I have tried letting them obtain the address automatically as well as assigning them.

I really do not want to pull out one of my modems and stick it in hers. This is absolutely the last resort. Her loving father supposedly built this computer for her but turns out she's "borrowing" it. He has setup this computer and I haven't a clue what is on, off, or whatever. I was told to "not try and use any of the parts" from the computer. I don't think I'd want to. It's a ShuttleX type of case with all the parts. I'm not saying anything bad about it, but having a computer that looks like a bread box is really weird.

If there's any information I've missed, I'll post it asap. Those little lights are moving like there's no tomorrow trying to send information but they're not recieving anything.

I hate networking. I hate XP. But, I can't format hers and go to a different OS... and I've already upgraded mine to XP to attempt to fix this. Thanks in advance for any help!

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Old 07-22-2005, 03:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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external modems are pretty cheap. Get one and connect to a serial port.
You don't need to open the computer. Windows will find it and set it up for internet.

One easy option.
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Old 07-22-2005, 07:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No, as I said a modem would be the last resort. I don't mind removing mine and putting it in there. It's not that hard to do. I've built several computers as well as done alot of upgrades for mine as well as others.

I'd rather her use the internet through the network so I can disable it when I feel she doesn't need it or prevent her acess if she's being punished. Putting a modem in it will just let her pop on anytime she wants without dismantling the phone line to her room from the living room.

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Old 07-24-2005, 01:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ok, I put the extra modem into the ShuttleX. Omg... I nearly broke the modem trying to get it in there without doing any damage. The case is so small and the bars that go over the top barely leave enough room to put the modem in.

Luckly the board had a PCI slot. The other one was the older type. My brain just died from all the horrid things I was thinking of to do to the case and the ex.

Now, I'd really like to finish up the network since I need to transfer files to update her EQ2 directory from mine. Otherwise it's gonna be a 19 hour download on dialup. If I had access to anything better, I'd jump on it big time.

Anyways, if anyone can please help. Maybe I have a service turned off that needs to be on, or I need to add something. Just give me ideas of what info needed and how to get it off to post it. I just really hate this networking thing.
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Old 07-25-2005, 03:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Under XP the networking should be easy. You might have a firewall in the way.
Turn it off (for now) or set it up correctly.

Post as much info as you can about your network situation.
There are some very informed people (not me) around here who can help you!
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Old 07-25-2005, 09:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I use ZoneAlarm with parental control ON on my son's PC, he is just 4 but already knows how to cruise to Nick Jr., Disney, KPBs for Kids, etc. I set up his PC (on wireless) connected to mine. I also set up UltraVNC (freeware) so I can remotely control other computers around the house.
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Old 07-25-2005, 09:54 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Firstly, do you have the Windows firewall on? If so, you probably need to turn "file and printer sharing" on in the exceptions tab (Start | Control Panel | Windows Firewall - choose Exceptions tab). I guess you would need to do this on both PCs.

What IP address do the two machines have on their network cards (go to Start | My Network Places - choose View Network Connections - click on your network adapter on the right, bottom left will show you something like:


Compare the two machines, and if properly setup, the IP address should have the first three numbers the same and the last number (25 in the example above) different.

Do your workgroup names match? (Control Panel | Performance and Maintenance | System). File and Print Sharing won't work otherwise.

Lastly - Windows XP help is actually pretty good - go into help and search for "File Sharing" - first option is a troubleshooter - you'll probably be surprised how good these options are...


EDIT - when you get the Internet Connection shared, you could easily remove network access by disabling the network card from your end (from the screen shot above, right click on the adapter and select disable) - you would still be able to surf but her connection would not work...
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Old 07-26-2005, 06:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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,Currently both were set to get their own address. Which neither seemed to do that. I put in ip address for them both with no luck in getting them to talk.

However, I do have the services ready to post in case there is something wrong there. I have a window's default and a tweaked for profiles.

One thing I found last night when I was goofing around was this. It was under the Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 wizard. I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning but I will.

The wizard brought a window similar to setting up your internet blocks and access for websites. It is set to just under full trust access. And it said in full detail: Programs might not be able to access most protected resources such as the registry or security policy settings, or access your local file system without user interaction. Programs will be able to connect back to their site of origin, resolve domain names, and use all windowing resources.

However, I didn't mess with this setting yet.

After doing some more poking around and trying to set the ip address manually again, and being in my tweaked profile. I opened up to see if I could see the computers on the network. I'll be damned if I could see hers and mine on hers.

But on mine, I got this message: Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is currently not avaible.

Hmmm... looks like it's just a issue on my computer to fix?
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Old 07-26-2005, 01:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
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can you ping?
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Old 07-26-2005, 02:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I tried to ping on both computers to the other using the manually configured ips. Neither could ping the other. I still can't look at the workgroups on mine, though I'm not sure which profile I'm in at the moment, that might be the problem.

I'll reboot and try each profile to see which one works and doesn't. Though I might need to post both sets of services to see if the problem lies within there. If you need those, let me know. I have them both exported and ready to be posted!
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Old 07-27-2005, 02:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Can the machines ping themselves?

Since you have data ready to show us, go ahead.
Someone may see just what you need to know.
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Old 07-27-2005, 04:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Seeing as you can't ping, there is one of three things I can think of that could be wrong:
1. they (the ip addresses) are not configured correctly. You should be using "private addresses" like is shown in my screen shot above. If you make the two machines 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 both with subnet masks of 255.255.255.0, these will be correctly configed.

2. firewall - something between the two machines, which could be the windows built in firewall or other software firewalls (e.g. Norton's antivirus and McAfee both have firewalls bundled...)

3. hardware - bad cable would be the most likely culprit, though any of the network cards or hub could be potentially broken.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I honestly had no clue that you could do such things to a dial-up connection :/

Why not just get rid of the switch and plug her nic into yours by way of Cat5e?
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Old 07-29-2005, 12:02 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I honestly had no clue that you could do such things to a dial-up connection :/

Why not just get rid of the switch and plug her nic into yours by way of Cat5e?

Yeah....

I was going to suggest just running her computer through yours to the internet via ICS...

You could then shut off her internet anytime you wanted to and get rid of the switch at the same time... I don't usually like to do it that way because it bogs down the 'gateway' pc, but since it's dial-up, I don't think it'll be that big a problem.
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:46 PM   #15 (permalink)
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That's exactly what I wanted.. to be able to shut down her connection whenever I needed to from my computer. I really don't like hearing all the noise she has coming from hers and all her muttering while she's playing.

I'm still working on cleaning up the stupid services files I have... Omg.. that thing... I don't even want to talk about that mess.

I can ping the computers to themselves, but I can't ping the other one. I don't think it's a bad cable, because before I attempt to "fix" the network, she had a internet connection but it wasn't going to good. Which is why I attempted to fix it. I wish now I had never messed with the stupid thing.
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Old 07-29-2005, 09:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I find I learn more when I mess around with it. It's irritating, but oh, so much more rewarding when I get it right....eventually...

The more I think about it, the more I believe ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) is the way to go with this one.

Basically, it's just connecting the two computers via their network cards and running the built in wizard. Like I said, the 'gateway' computer, which I assume would be yours needs some horsepower as it can bog down the system a bit, but I imagine it with it being dial-up and only occassionally used, that the drain wouldn't be too bad at all.

Just check google. There are tons of tutorials that are much more thorough than anything I could post here.
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Old 07-30-2005, 07:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Believe it or not.... I never had any problems with her sharing the connection from mine. Nothing slowed down at all.

Mind you tho, I have a 1.5gigahertz and her's is a 3.0gig. But, I'm trying to save up in order to buy a new board with mem since I want to play EQ2 a little better (shame on me).

For now, I'll leave the modem in hers til I fiddle with it til it's fixed. I'm bound to get it right sometime.
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Old 07-30-2005, 12:51 PM   #18 (permalink)
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With Win98se what often worked was to completely remove all networking and communication stuff.
As much info in the registry that you could. Reboot and see that no networking or communication info is present.

Then install what you need. A corrupt component or bad data in the registry can be very hard to find so this procedure often worked.
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