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abaya · 09-16-2008, 02:54 PM

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Is it possible to attain a perky, firm breasts without surgery? She is in her late twenties, no children yet. It is saggy, 38B. She works out, and planning to get a sports bra. Have anyone tried methods other than surgery? And any positive results. A website I looked at says it is NOT possible. So there is no way to make it little firm and perky?

I'm going to chime in early and give my answer, which is that No, it's not possible without surgery. That's just the way the human body ages--and quite frankly, I think it's much more natural that way. I personally think that if you love someone, natural aging should not really get in the way of your appreciation for their body, but I know that not everyone feels that way.

I was an athlete during my teen and college years and have always worked out with high-impact activities (while wearing a sports bra). However, there's no fightin' gravity, especially not with double D's. I know that my husband loves my body and appreciates my breasts exactly as they are, and he never allows me to get away with saying anything negative about them.

I would imagine that if you are projecting your dislike of saggy breasts onto your girlfriend, then she is going to become more insecure about her body, and I think that's one of the worst things that you can do to someone you care about (especially if her body is just fine in the first place). To me, intimate relationships are about affirmation, not adding to the other person's insecurities.

LoganSnake · 09-16-2008, 03:00 PM

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Saggy Breasts

A Nonsurgical Lift

They've added to your sex appeal. They've given sustenance to a child. But now your formerly round, firm breasts are, at the unfair age of 40 or so, drooping toward your waist.

Besides being attractive, breasts are functional units of milk glands and fat supported by muscles of your chest. Unfortunately, over time, the ligaments from which your breasts are suspended stretch, and your breasts sag.

"Once you reach your forties, the skin becomes more lax, the milk ducts shrink and fat replaces the ducts," says Debra Price, M.D., clinical assistant professor of dermatology at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a dermatologist in South Miami.

What Women Doctors Do

Works Out Every Other Day

Debra Price, M.D.

Like a lot of women her age, Debra Price, M.D., wants to keep her breasts firm and youthful as long as possible. A clinical assistant professor of dermatology at the University of Miami School of Medicine and a dermatologist in South Miami, Dr. Price relies on exercise to counter the effects of gravity on breast tissue.

"I work out every other day," says Dr. Price. Her trainer, Bini Masin, an exercise physiologist in Coral Gables, Florida, recommends push-ups, in particular.

"The push-up is the best and most effective exercise to build the pectoral muscles in the chest that underlie the breast,"
says Masin.

Dr. Price also applies a suncreen when wearing chest-bearing clothes, like tank tops or swimsuits with a low neckline, to protect her breasts from the damaging effects of the sun.

"I always use a SPF (sun protection factor) number greater than 15," says Dr. Price. "But I really like the nonchemical sunblocks with titanium dioxide that reflect the sun's harmful rays--both ultraviolet A and B."

This process tends to occur earlier--or is more pronounced--in women who have had children and breastfed, according to Anita Cela, M.D., clinical assistant professor of dermatology at New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center in New York City.

WHAT YOU CAN DO

Other than visiting a plastic surgeon, the only thing that you can do to prevent your breasts from sagging (or firm up already slack breasts) is to build up the pectoral muscles under your breasts and fill the sag with muscle, says Dr. Price.

Here's how to give your breasts a lift.

Try the fly. "To build more muscle, try what's called the dumbbell fly, using a pair of one- to three-pound weights," says Peggy Norwood-Keating, director of fitness at Duke University Diet and Fitness Center in Durham, North Carolina.

To start, pick up one weight in each hand, then lie back on the floor. Extend your arms out at shoulder level on the floor with your palms up, clutching your weights. The weights should be parallel to your body.

Draw both arms straight up together above your body, keeping your elbows slightly bent, so that the weights meet over your chest, says Norwood-Keating. Then, return the weights out to your sides at shoulder height, as if you were drawing a semicircle or half-moon over your body.

Repeat the exercise 12 to 15 times, then rest for 1½ minutes, says Norwood-Keating. Repeat the exercise a second time and rest once again. Then repeat the exercise for a third and final set.

The stronger you become, the more weight you'll be able to handle. This means that you should be able to gradually increase your weight (by one to two pounds) while decreasing repetitions (8 to 10) in order to work your muscles gradually, says Norwood-Keating. Your goal here is 8 to 10 repetitions in three sets.

Try a chest press. A variation on the fly that also builds chest muscle is the chest press, says Norwood-Keating. This time, pick up a five-pound dumbbell in each hand and lie back on the floor. Extend your arms and hold the dumbbells up in the air over your chest, parallel to your body. Then, bend your elbows and lower the dumbbells toward your chest, with your elbows out to the sides at shoulder level. Extend your arms straight back up over your chest and repeat the exercise 12 to 15 times. Rest for 1½ minutes, then do a second set of 12 to 15 repetitions. Rest again and do a third set.

As with the previous exercise, if doing this exercise as described gets easy, increase your weights by one or two pounds. Your goal, says Norwood-Keating, is the same as above: 8 to 10 repetitions in three sets with as much weight as you can safely and comfortably handle.

Round out your workout. All these exercises may be great for your chest, but you need to round out your workout with an exercise that strengthens your back muscles, says Norwood-Keating. Otherwise, you're likely to become round-shouldered and weaken your back. So pick up a five- to ten-pound weight in your left hand, then lean on a bench or a low, sturdy table by placing your right knee and right hand down on its surface. Your left foot should be on the floor.

Bend your left elbow, bring the weight up to your armpit and try to squeeze your left shoulder blade toward your spine. As you resist gravity, slowly lower the weight back down until your arm is fully extended. It won't be easy, but resist letting the weight fall by squeezing with your left shoulder blade as the weight returns to the starting positon, explains Norwood-Keating.

Repeat the exercise 12 to 15 times, rest for 1½ minutes, then do a second set of 12 to 15 repetitions. Rest again and do a third set.

Don't forget sunscreen. Since sun exposure can speed up the aging of the elastin fibers that keep your skin from sagging, make sure that you wear a sunscreen whenever you wear a sundress, tank top or bathing suit with a low neckline, says Dr. Price.

Many dermatologists recommend a sun protection factor, or SPF, of 15, she adds. Whatever you use, don't forget to reapply regularly.

Wear a bra. To prevent your breasts from sagging further, wear a bra. "It does help," says Petra Schneider, M.D., a plastic surgeon in private practice in Melbourne, Florida. "Wearing a bra puts less stress on your ligaments. The more you wear one during the day, the more it helps."

Wearing a bra is especially important if you jog, play tennis, do aerobics or participate in other forms of exercise that bounce your breasts. If you're a C cup or larger, look for sports bras with good support that control your breast movement, says Dr. Price. Some women find that nonelastic shoulder straps are best for minimizing movement. Sports bras are available in the lingerie department of some department stores or in sporting goods stores.

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Breasts are like any other part of our body, and therefore very much susceptible to wear and tear, toxins and other related problems. Breasts lose their tone and elasticity with age. This generally happens during the middle age. However, a woman can maintain healthy breasts through several ways.
Measures should be taken earlier in life to prevent, or at least reduce, sagging later in life. They include wearing supportive brassieres during pregnancy, breast feeding, and exercising.

Exercise and massaging:

Massage aids in the enhancement and rigidity of breasts. Breast exercises help firm up the pectoral muscles below the breasts. Once the pectoral muscles become firmer, the breast tissues also follow making the breast tissues stronger. Breast exercises are the most natural and safe way for a better and firm bust size. Breast firmness exercises also make you generally healthy.

Breast massages consist of different pressures applied on the breasts leading to better circulation of blood in the breast.

Breast firming products:

Many breast-firming products are easily available in the market today. Breast firming products available in various forms include creams, pills, lotions and sprays.

Most of these products stimulate the growth of breast tissue, and thus help in maintaining the firmness of the breasts. It is believed that theses products contain plant estrogens, called as phytoestrogens, which stimulate the growth of breast tissue and give rigidity to the breast. A lot of research on breast firmness products is continuously going on to introduce new and unique products.

One should also be regular in wearing supportive bras during breast-feeding. Special types of such brassieres are now available in the market, which provide support during lactation, so as to prevent sagging.

Breast Pumps:

Breast pumps also help enhance the breast size and give rigidity to the breast. It consists of two cups attached to a vacuum generating device. These cups are to be placed over the breast. Pressure is created when the air is sucked out of the cups, thus increasing the blood circulation in the breasts and providing firmness to it. Breast pumps help in flushing out any toxic materials that settle in the breasts from time to time.

Breast implants:

This is a surgical procedure, and is used to increase the size of the breast and give it a more firm and rounded look. This cosmetic procedure is increasingly becoming popular nowadays, amongst women of all age groups. However, one should be well aware of the pros and cons of any surgery before going ahead with it.

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Ok. I'm not trying to sound gross or trampy, but is there any way to make your bust bigger? I don't want a product, I want something I can do at home without having to buy something. Please help me. Thanks.

--lansa

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Hey, no need to apologize. All women want great looking breasts. But before I answer your question, let me give you a quick anatomy lesson. Your breasts are actually made up of fatty or adipose tissue, so their size depends upon how much fat you tend to store there, which calls in factors like your genetics, your weight, your health and your age. The muscles that reside directly underneath your breast are called the pectorals. They are partly responsible for the "perkiness" of your breasts.

So to answer your question: No, you can't do anything about the size of your breasts (short of gaining weight or getting surgery.) However, you can make them appear bigger, firmer and more shapely by working your pectoral muscles, a.k.a your chest muscles.

But the good news is that you can tuck that twenty dollar bill back inside your bra -- there is no magical product, cream or device that will help you put your best breasts forward. I'm going to recommend three exercises for you to do at home that won't cost you a dime and will put more boom in your boom-chicka-boom in 6-8 weeks. Simply do 1-3, 8-15 rep sets of each move, 2-3 times a week and I guarantee you'll see results! Have fun.

1. The Modified Push Up

1. Lie on your stomach, bend your knees, and cross your ankles. Bend your elbows and place your palms on the floor a bit to the side and in front of your shoulders. Straighten your arms and lift your body so you're balanced on your palms and knees. Tuck your chin a few inches toward your chest so your forehead faces the floor. Tighten your abdominals.
2. Bend your elbows and lower your entire body at once. Rather than trying to touch your chest to the floor, lower only until your upper arms are parallel to the floor. Push back up. Don't lock your elbows at the top of the movement and don't do the dreaded "head bob." That's when you dip your head toward the floor without moving any other part of your body.

2. Soup Can Press

1. Lie on your back with your feet flat on the floor and a soup can or dumbbell in each hand. Push the soup cans up so your arms are directly over your shoulders and your palms face away from you. Pull your abdominals in but don't jam your back into the floor; don't let it arch way up, either. Tilt your chin toward your chest.
2. Lower the soup cans down and a little to the side until your elbows lightly touch the floor. Push the weights back up, taking care not to lock your elbows or allow your shoulder blades to rise off the floor. (Note: Use soup cans of equal weight. When those get too light, you can fill two Pinesol bottles with dried beans or pebbles.)

3. Incline Fly

1. Lie on the floor with your head, neck and upper back propped up against several large pillows. Hold a soup can or dumbbell in each hand and press the weights directly above your chest, palms facing each other. Tuck your chin to your chest to align your neck with the rest of your spine, and maintain your natural back posture, neither arched nor flattened.
2. Spreading your arms apart so that your elbows travel down and to the sides, lower the weights until your elbows lightly touch the floor. Maintaining a constant bend in your elbows, lift the weights back up, imagining that you have a barrel lying on your chest and you have to keep your arms wide to reach around it.

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Firm Breast recipe (from free beauty tips.com)

To firm breasts and tighten the skin, mix one teaspoon of vitamin E oil with one tablespoon of yogurt and an egg.

Massage this mixture into breasts and wear an old bra over the mixture for at least twenty minutes.

Rinse off with warm water.

curiousbear · 09-16-2008, 03:09 PM

Abaya, it says late twenties, and you call that aging...?
I am just curious, until what age girls have firm, perky breasts?

LoganSnake · 09-16-2008, 03:10 PM

Some never do...

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Sagging or drooping of breasts is a natural, inevitable process that happens to all women at some point - except those with fairly small breasts. The most notable sagging happens with the process called breast involution (see below), but breasts can start drooping a little at any age, because they do NOT have muscles in them. They have ligaments and connective tissue. When the gravity pulls the breasts down, those ligaments and the skin can stretch, and so the breast then droops. This depends on the elasticity of your skin and of your ligaments, as determined by your genes and diet, and also on normal aging processes. Obviously large breasts will sag easier since the gravity is pulling them down more.

abaya · 09-16-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by curiousbear

Abaya, it says late twenties, and you call that aging...?
I am just curious, until what age girls have firm, perky breasts?

I'm 29, curiousbear, and I have had sagging breasts since at least my early 20s due to being an athlete and the laws of physics. My breasts are 34DD, if that gives you some idea of where my opinion is coming from.

genuinegirly · 09-16-2008, 05:22 PM

Good question. Taking care of your "girls" is a good thing.
Different styles of bras highlight different attributes. They also support in different ways.

How you put on your bra can make a huge difference.
Cup your breasts in your hands and place them gently one by one into the bra, your nipples pointing up.

Wearing a bra at night is another method of retaining shape.
I wore nothing but shelf bras for 2 months and started sagging. A couple days into wearing a proper bra properly and I was back to my usual perky self.

ngdawg · 09-16-2008, 05:54 PM

Place them gently in your bra??? Huh??
I clasp in the front, turn it around and lift it up and over.

I must be the exception-I breatfed, have always been a bit large and they're still pretty "bulbous", if only a tad lower( I can't suck my own tits anymore, but then again, my neck is a wreck these days

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They certainly don't sag at all, though. I don't think my nipples ever pointed up, but they don't point down either, more like outward/sideward.

My doctor did recommend doing upper body exercising to keep them as they are, but I'm sporadic at best with that.

I think all those massage things are not so much what you're putting on them, it's the massaging itself. Breast stimulation fools them into thinking they might be put into service so they stay at the ready, meaning full and bouncy. I remember in my wilder sex days, after any sustained time of sexual activity, I'd even start to lactate.

genuinegirly · 09-16-2008, 05:58 PM

ngdawg, I just made a LL thread that explains the process (including pics).

jewels · 09-17-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by genuinegirly

Wearing a bra at night is another method of retaining shape.
I wore nothing but shelf bras for 2 months and started sagging. A couple days into wearing a proper bra properly and I was back to my usual perky self.

Another vote here for the night bra. I had a neighbor who was fairly well-endowed but very pert at age 40. She told me she wore a bra always, including to sleep.

curiousbear · 09-17-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by genuinegirly

Good question. Taking care of your "girls" is a good thing.
Different styles of bras highlight different attributes. They also support in different ways.

How you put on your bra can make a huge difference.
Cup your breasts in your hands and place them gently one by one into the bra, your nipples pointing up.

Wearing a bra at night is another method of retaining shape.
I wore nothing but shelf bras for 2 months and started sagging. A couple days into wearing a proper bra properly and I was back to my usual perky self.

I will request my girl to read the LL post.

little_tippler · 09-17-2008, 10:00 AM

I have always worn a bra (at least ever since I had anything to fill one with!) and have firm, perky breasts. I am currently 28 going on 29. My breasts are small however so that probably helps. Also, I imagine some of it is down to genetics. I have known younger girls with smaller breast than mine that were sagging.

Is there a non-surgical way to lift breasts? Depends to what extent they have sagged, I'd say. I think if a woman works out enough, and the breasts aren't too large, you could, in theory, by way of muscle tone, improve breast tone. But I don't think it would be an easy task.

abaya · 09-17-2008, 10:06 AM

The thing that I want to know is... why does it really matter? Women have been aging and getting saggy boobs since the dawn of human evolution... bras and corsets are not terribly old in terms of human history. Do we as women feel pressure to have "perky boobs" more now than ever?--and if so, how valid is that pressure, if it's not coming from ourselves? (e.g. coming from society, marketing, porn, men's expectations, etc.)

And if it is coming from yourself, then I see that as being different--each to her own, and be proud of it!

That's a personal standard, and I can't question that. But I have a strong opinion that all of our bodies are beautiful as they are, as long as we keep ourselves healthy and not at one extreme or the other--and the more we accept them as they are--gravity and all--the better it is for women everywhere. I don't like having to conform to ideals of a female body, I guess... especially ones where "youth" is everything.

AllAboutEve · 09-17-2008, 10:10 AM

A 'B' cup isn't really that big so I can't really see that at 29 that would be the reason for her sagging.... if she's a 38 aound her body, maybe losing a little weight would tighten things up?... It could just simply be fat tissue....

curiousbear · 09-17-2008, 10:13 AM

Honestly I hope hers to be in better shape.

I also hope that I have better biceps and triceps. Now I come to an understanding that I can have hopes only on how I look and accept the way the other one looks. That is the best way you can love someone.

After all expectations lead to disappointments!

little_tippler · 09-17-2008, 10:15 AM

abaya, I agree with that. All bodies age and change shape, of course. I like my body as it is, most days. Some days I just hate everything. This is normal I'd say. You can't love yourself to bits every day, it's emotional too. I try not to be too hard on myself. But I do like to keep in shape and as long as I can look the way I like, I'm happy to make an extra effort to stay that way. I can't say I'd like my body in all shapes imaginable...then I'd just be lying. That doesn't mean I apply that standard to all bodies I see.

curiousbear · 09-17-2008, 10:27 AM

little_tippler, I too take extra efforts. I am short but dont do anything about that. Not even highheels.
How ever I try not to put on a tummy. Not too much fat. I also try to keep a good arm (it really matters at several times).
Saggy boobs must be ok if it is a result of some great things you did like sports, atheletics or that is how it was always. If it is due to NOT using correct bra size, good posture (ergonomics) in day to day life, proper sleeping practise etc then I think we should improvise.

MSD · 09-17-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jewels

Another vote here for the night bra. I had a neighbor who was fairly well-endowed but very pert at age 40. She told me she wore a bra always, including to sleep.

Not wearing a bra stretches the ligaments. Wearing it too much leads to muscle atrophy. Exercise and a balance between bra and braless is ideal (according to a doctor or two who were involved in pretty much the same discussion on another forum.)

World's King · 09-17-2008, 11:45 AM

This thread is useless without pictures.

What? Someone had to say it...

jewels · 09-17-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MSD

Not wearing a bra stretches the ligaments. Wearing it too much leads to muscle atrophy. Exercise and a balance between bra and braless is ideal (according to a doctor or two who were involved in pretty much the same discussion on another forum.)

I wonder if they discussed the types of bras.

You do know there are different types of bras that each support us differently, aside from the quite-obvious miracle and push-up bras? I can't imagine, since there are no muscles in the breasts themselves, how they could atrophy as long as the night bra is comfortable. The supporting muscles and pecs wouldn't seem to be impacted unless they were in a push-up 24//7.

A search turned up medical responses on both sides. Even found this on a brassiere manufacturer's site:

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Sagging is related to other issues that have nothing to do with bra wearing, such as
Breast fat and tissue composition
Softening of breast ligaments and a loss of breast tissue through aging
Pregnancy

Who knows? Either way, I believe the night bra (something like this) in question offers minimal support and should be harmless.

snowy · 09-17-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutEve

A 'B' cup isn't really that big so I can't really see that at 29 that would be the reason for her sagging.... if she's a 38 aound her body, maybe losing a little weight would tighten things up?... It could just simply be fat tissue....

Actually, that leads to more sagging. I lost a cup size in the process of dropping 45 lbs, and my breasts appear saggier than they were due to the weight loss. I've perked them back up a bit via yoga, keeping them moisturized, and wearing good bras, but I doubt they'll ever be as perky as they were.

Daval · 09-17-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by World's King

This thread is useless without pictures.

What? Someone had to say it...

Thanks King, I've been thinking it for two days now.

Leto · 09-17-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by abaya

The thing that I want to know is... why does it really matter? Women have been aging and getting saggy boobs since the dawn of human evolution... bras and corsets are not terribly old in terms of human history. Do we as women feel pressure to have "perky boobs" more now than ever?--and if so, how valid is that pressure, if it's not coming from ourselves? (e.g. coming from society, marketing, porn, men's expectations, etc.)

And if it is coming from yourself, then I see that as being different--each to her own, and be proud of it!

That's a personal standard, and I can't question that. But I have a strong opinion that all of our bodies are beautiful as they are, as long as we keep ourselves healthy and not at one extreme or the other--and the more we accept them as they are--gravity and all--the better it is for women everywhere. I don't like having to conform to ideals of a female body, I guess... especially ones where "youth" is everything.

Ding! Ding! Ding! I couldn't agree with you more. I quoted your entire post to emphasize it.

AllAboutEve · 09-17-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onesnowyowl

Actually, that leads to more sagging. I lost a cup size in the process of dropping 45 lbs, and my breasts appear saggier than they were due to the weight loss. I've perked them back up a bit via yoga, keeping them moisturized, and wearing good bras, but I doubt they'll ever be as perky as they were.

Lose weight slowly and in the late twenties the skin should have good elasticity and be able to spring back.

anti fishstick · 09-17-2008, 12:24 PM

I have a B cup so I don't have issues with sagging but I'm only 25. I make sure to always wear a sports bra when I work out, even if I don't think I necessarily need it in terms of it being a nuisance to go without (I have run braless before and it doesn't bother me). I wear a sports bra so that exercise isn't so jarring and I get little movement as possible in my chest area in hopes this will help keep them perky. I'm not all that worried about it, but I do think it's important to have good support, especially when exercising, no matter what size you are.

abaya · 09-17-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by anti fishstick

I have a B cup so I don't have issues with sagging but I'm only 25. I make sure to always wear a sports bra when I work out, even if I don't think I necessarily need it in terms of it being a nuisance to go without (I have run braless before and it doesn't bother me). I wear a sports bra so that exercise isn't so jarring and I get little movement as possible in my chest area in hopes this will help keep them perky. I'm not all that worried about it, but I do think it's important to have good support, especially when exercising, no matter what size you are.

My breasts would be dangling by my knees at this point, if I ran without a sports bra...

I think they started succumbing to gravity when I was a cross-country and track runner in high school (running for at least an hour each day will do that, and I was already a bit larger by that point, which didn't help).

After I started hormonal birth control, which inflated my breasts very uncomfortably (I suspect that's when I went from C-range to DD-range, though I didn't know it then)... I had to get the tightest of sports bras to really mash them down flat, or it would be painful. The ideal would be absolutely no movement for them, whatsoever, but I can't find a sports bra that will do that for me yet. I cannot even fathom exercising without a sports bra, it would hurt too much and like I said, they'd be drooping by my knees after 30 minutes.

snowy · 09-17-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutEve

Lose weight slowly and in the late twenties the skin should have good elasticity and be able to spring back.

I did lose the weight slowly--over a period of about 9 months--and I am not yet in my late 20s

It's been over a year now since I reached my target weight but they're still saggy by comparison, so I doubt they're going to spring back any time soon. I'm certainly not holding my breath, and I don't particularly care, either. I like 'em fine, regardless--I just try to take care of them, simply because they're larger and I don't want knee-breasts.

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genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	Good question. Taking care of your "girls" is a good thing. Different styles of bras highlight different attributes. They also support in different ways. How you put on your bra can make a huge difference. Cup your breasts in your hands and place them gently one by one into the bra, your nipples pointing up. Wearing a bra at night is another method of retaining shape. I wore nothing but shelf bras for 2 months and started sagging. A couple days into wearing a proper bra properly and I was back to my usual perky self. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

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genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	ngdawg, I just made a LL thread that explains the process (including pics). __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

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little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Super Moderator Location: on the other side	I have always worn a bra (at least ever since I had anything to fill one with!) and have firm, perky breasts. I am currently 28 going on 29. My breasts are small however so that probably helps. Also, I imagine some of it is down to genetics. I have known younger girls with smaller breast than mine that were sagging. Is there a non-surgical way to lift breasts? Depends to what extent they have sagged, I'd say. I think if a woman works out enough, and the breasts aren't too large, you could, in theory, by way of muscle tone, improve breast tone. But I don't think it would be an easy task. __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918

09-17-2008, 10:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	The thing that I want to know is... why does it really matter? Women have been aging and getting saggy boobs since the dawn of human evolution... bras and corsets are not terribly old in terms of human history. Do we as women feel pressure to have "perky boobs" more now than ever?--and if so, how valid is that pressure, if it's not coming from ourselves? (e.g. coming from society, marketing, porn, men's expectations, etc.) And if it is coming from yourself, then I see that as being different--each to her own, and be proud of it! That's a personal standard, and I can't question that. But I have a strong opinion that all of our bodies are beautiful as they are, as long as we keep ourselves healthy and not at one extreme or the other--and the more we accept them as they are--gravity and all--the better it is for women everywhere. I don't like having to conform to ideals of a female body, I guess... especially ones where "youth" is everything. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

09-17-2008, 10:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Super Moderator Location: on the other side	abaya, I agree with that. All bodies age and change shape, of course. I like my body as it is, most days. Some days I just hate everything. This is normal I'd say. You can't love yourself to bits every day, it's emotional too. I try not to be too hard on myself. But I do like to keep in shape and as long as I can look the way I like, I'm happy to make an extra effort to stay that way. I can't say I'd like my body in all shapes imaginable...then I'd just be lying. That doesn't mean I apply that standard to all bodies I see. __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918

09-16-2008, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
curiousbear Addict Location: WA	Abaya, it says late twenties, and you call that aging...? I am just curious, until what age girls have firm, perky breasts?

09-16-2008, 05:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Place them gently in your bra??? Huh?? I clasp in the front, turn it around and lift it up and over. I must be the exception-I breatfed, have always been a bit large and they're still pretty "bulbous", if only a tad lower( I can't suck my own tits anymore, but then again, my neck is a wreck these days ) They certainly don't sag at all, though. I don't think my nipples ever pointed up, but they don't point down either, more like outward/sideward. My doctor did recommend doing upper body exercising to keep them as they are, but I'm sporadic at best with that. I think all those massage things are not so much what you're putting on them, it's the massaging itself. Breast stimulation fools them into thinking they might be put into service so they stay at the ready, meaning full and bouncy. I remember in my wilder sex days, after any sustained time of sexual activity, I'd even start to lactate.

09-17-2008, 10:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
AllAboutEve Upright Location: UK	A 'B' cup isn't really that big so I can't really see that at 29 that would be the reason for her sagging.... if she's a 38 aound her body, maybe losing a little weight would tighten things up?... It could just simply be fat tissue....

09-17-2008, 10:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
curiousbear Addict Location: WA	Honestly I hope hers to be in better shape. I also hope that I have better biceps and triceps. Now I come to an understanding that I can have hopes only on how I look and accept the way the other one looks. That is the best way you can love someone. After all expectations lead to disappointments!

09-17-2008, 10:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
curiousbear Addict Location: WA	little_tippler, I too take extra efforts. I am short but dont do anything about that. Not even highheels. How ever I try not to put on a tummy. Not too much fat. I also try to keep a good arm (it really matters at several times). Saggy boobs must be ok if it is a result of some great things you did like sports, atheletics or that is how it was always. If it is due to NOT using correct bra size, good posture (ergonomics) in day to day life, proper sleeping practise etc then I think we should improvise.

09-17-2008, 11:45 AM	#18 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	This thread is useless without pictures. What? Someone had to say it... __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

09-17-2008, 12:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
anti fishstick Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash Location: oregon	I have a B cup so I don't have issues with sagging but I'm only 25. I make sure to always wear a sports bra when I work out, even if I don't think I necessarily need it in terms of it being a nuisance to go without (I have run braless before and it doesn't bother me). I wear a sports bra so that exercise isn't so jarring and I get little movement as possible in my chest area in hopes this will help keep them perky. I'm not all that worried about it, but I do think it's important to have good support, especially when exercising, no matter what size you are. __________________ And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~Anais Nin