surferlove007

As many of you are aware, I'm a student at Texas Tech University up in Lubbock, TX. This university has Greek life and therefore it has sorority girls and fraternity guys. The reason for this thread is to discuss the stereotypes of these people.

I personally have had different run-ins with each. I have several good guy friends who are in Christian fraternities and do not yield any of the "asshole" stereotypical traits that would be expected of a frat dude. I usually give them a lot of crap for being in their frats, for fun of course. However, when it comes to the female aspect of it, I have met some really rude, self-centered sorostitute (pronounched SOR-OST-I-TUTE :James made the word) sluts whom I think are a waste of space on this earth.

This morning in my art appreciation class this blond girl behind me kept putting her feet on the back of my chair, nearly touching my head. I asked her to not do that, and to either move em or lose em if you get my drift. I wasn't hostile about it, but firm. So class starts, we turn in our collages and as class is ending this same girl puts her feet up again on the back of another ladies chair right next to me. I look at her and I said "Excuse me, but that's very rude. Put your feet down." Her reply was "GOD, what a stupid little bitch...I'll kick your ass after class" the last part was muttered under her breath. To which I replied "Try it, I dare you. That's a very rude thing to do." After that she didn't say anything. The lady next to me thanked me; she looked to be in her 40s and she's switching careers which is why she's back in school again for another degree.

After this experience it really makes me hate these kinds of girls. They look down at you if you don't wear a specific brand of clothing and things of that nature. I realize that not all sorority girls are like this, however it seems like about 90% are. My personal stereotypes of them are that they are spoiled, rich, and self-centered mostly because they don't know any different. They pay to join a group, and to have friends. I have friends for free. I also hate to see these girls because often times they are bleached blond, fake baked, fake boobed, and every other horrible thing people can do to themselves to fit into the current trend. I feel sorry for them, too much makeup and such. They drive and wreck expensive cars only to be reimburses with another of the same value later.

So people...any of you guys ever have these sorts of run-ins with sorostitutes? Fraternity brothers?

soma

Can't get enough fake tans and ugg boots

I don't mind them. I've heard stories like yours, but my life is so separated from frat/sort life that it doesn't even matter. I'm doing engineering stuff right now, so I never run into that crowd.

But yeah, overall, it seems frat/sort life is just a continuation of highschool. But I'm sure not all of them are like that. Ehh.. Whatever. The girl you encountered is definitely a super bitch, but I wouldn't let it get to you. It's their problem not yours.

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Martian

I think the sorority/fraternity thing is unique to the US; at least, I've never heard of them up here. Of course, I never went to college either so it's possible that we have them and I just don't know about it.

In any case, shallow, petty and ignorant people are always going to be a part of life. Branding them with greek letters seems like a good idea to me, as it'll make them easier to avoid.

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Ustwo

Time for Ustwo tough love.

So you don't like sorority girls and now are acting like the stereotype by bitching about them in a petty fashion?

You had some girl acting rude wearing sorority letters and now get to proclaim how much better you are because you don't 'buy your friends?'

You enjoy calling them sluts even though you had a threesome yourself recently? Its ok for you to enjoy sex but not them, because they are sluts and 'SOR-OST-I-TUTEs)?

I had a run in with a sorosititute and I married her, have two kids, shes working on painting the kitchen right now.

This is typical when you have a club that not everyone can join. Even if you could join them if you tried, the fact that you are not in makes it something of an out group, something to vilify and it goes both ways, and for some reason women seem more effected by this sort of thing. You are jealous of a sort and don't even know it. Its not that you have to really want to play their reindeer games, but knowing that you can't creates feelings of resentment. All a group like a sorority does is give outward signs to a typical clique, something for you to point at and feel superior to as a defense mechanism.

The good news is in three or four more years it won't matter to you or them. I can't recall the last time I met someone new and asked if they were 'greek'.

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Plan9

Starbelly sneetches. Hot-hot high school action... just kicked up a notch. Extreme teen overkill burnout.

You don't like kids that have too much money and free time? Funny... neither does the 99% of America that has to work for a living.

Proof yet again that you should serve four humble, toilet-scrubbing years in the military before you're allowed into any college.

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Jinn

Both groups (frat boys and sorority girls) have use in one's life, particularly if you know how to avail yourselves of them. Everyone has a use, whether they recognize that use themselves or not.

I'm not sure how to say it more politely, but that's the best I could do.

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Bill O'Rights

Sorostitutes. I like that.
So...James came up with that term, eh? Cool. I predict that it'll be in the common vernacular with 3-4 years.

Look. Rich bitches are a fact of life. They've always been there. and likely always will be. And, they'll still be there when you hit my advanced years, as well. They'll be the ones in charge of the PTA, and your neighborhood association. They'll be the ones that you have to learn to work around, in order to actually get anything accomplished.

For now... the best advice that I can give you is to just learn to point and laugh. They hate that.

Sorostitutes. Heh

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Plan9

Relax, GG...

They're also the first ones to eaten when the zombies attack.

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telekinetic

It's been common vernacular for 3-4 years already.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=sorostitute

Regarding the topic of the thread, dumb bitches will always be dumb bitches, Bro douchebags will always be bro douchebags. The Greek system doesn't create them, it just attracts them.

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Zar

Sorostitutes is already part of the common vernacular on college campuses.

Sorority girls can be bitchy. Frat guys can be douchebags. So can everyone else. They can also be great people, just like everyone else. People seem to dislike Greeks because they're somewhat exclusionary. Well, lots of things in life are exclusionary. Colleges themselves are exclusionary (depending on their selectivity). Jobs are exclusionary.

I'm also not sure I buy the idea that people join Greek organizations to "buy their friends." Most Greeks I know are extremely sociable people who have tons of friends from outside the Greek system already. They join a Greek organization to forge a stronger bond with a select group of people and to pool resources for various ends (social, philanthropy, etc.). I've found that lifelong friendships are more easily formed with people with whom you have a common purpose, rather than that girl you met in history class. Strong alumni networks are also helpful for networking in the post-college world.

Finally, joining a fraternity is your golden ticket to getting laid regularly, even if you're Lyle Lovett's twin.

Leto

I know some Canadian universities have the Greek system frats/sororities (If you take a walk down St George Street in Toronto, you will see all of the frat houses for U of T) but I don't know how pervasive it is. I do know that at my university it was forbidden to have these organizations. You could be expelled from Queen's if you tried to set one up. Are there any other types of frats besides the Greek system?

telekinetic

My sister's Christian college has 'social clubs' instead, but they're exactly the same...rush week, pledges, etc...everything but the houses.

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snowy

We've been using the term sorostitute around these parts for some time now, probably since I first came to college 7 years ago.

Sorostitutes are the girls you see on Friday/Saturday/Sunday morning stumbling home from whatever frat party they managed to crash at, their ironed-out bleached-blonde hair disheveled, making that Walk of Shame.

To be clear, not all women in sororities are sorostitutes. Each house has its own attitude. Chi Omega tends to attract feminist liberals, oddly enough. A lot of women join sororities out of legacy, that is to say their mother or grandmother was in the sorority and so they joined because it's the family thing to do. You can't paint all women in sororities with the same brush.

Furthermore, wearing Greek letters does not necessarily mean that one is a part of a social fraternity or sorority--there are plenty of service fraternities, honor societies, and professional fraternities and sororities that also use Greek letters to denote membership. I'm a member of Alpha Phi Omega, Phi Eta Sigma, and Alpha Lambda Delta (a service fraternity and two honor societies), and I know people in those organizations--especially APO--who like to wear their letters.

I don't think being in a sorority or fraternity has anything to do with a person's rudeness. We say that we don't want people to use labels to judge us, yet we find it convenient to do the same to them.

One of my good friends is a research assistant. He has a B.S. in biochemistry and biophysics. He's tall, skinny, and one of the nerdiest-looking guys you'll ever meet. But you know what else? He was the president of his fraternity in university, and is still incredibly active in his frat as an alumnus. It surprises most people to find that out about him, but in my mind, people are incredibly complex creatures with complex interests. Some people find that social life interesting. I'm not one of them, but I'm not going to condemn them for it, either.

Like I said, rude people are just that--rude people. And they're everywhere. Like cynthetiq's sig says, either you're an asshole or you're not. Whatever else you are really has no relation to that--either you're an asshole or you're not.

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host

When I was an undergrad, "greek life" was an anachronism, something of our parents and grand parents generations. No one was interested anymore. It was gone from campus, along with ROTC.

We've been back in the "dark ages" on college campuses, again for the last thirty years:

....and what are all of the "christian" references on the thread? My advice is to spend some time in Manhattan, get away from the stifling, parochial view.

hambone

I am glad no one is agreeing with this original post. This is stereotyping at its worst, especially since this is seemingly based upon an incident with an INDIVIDUAL.

By the way, my wife is a former sorority president and exhibits none of the characteristics complained about.

And I personally dislike frats/sororities so I am not all about defending them, but such generalizations are ridiculous.

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telekinetic

There are two, one referencing a Christian frat (possibly may have been specified in the original poster's mind, to contrast with their 'Edward 40 Hands'ing and beer-ponging impression of secular frats), and one referencing the fact that my sister attends a Christian college that does not allow the Greek system, but does allow effectively interchangible 'social clubs,' thus answering a specific question asked in the thread.

Both comments give important context to the comments being made. Are you that knee-jerk opposed to the existence of religion and religious organizations that you need to call attention to the fact that it was mentioned?


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host

No, I feel like I'm visiting another planet sometimes. A planet trapped in a pre Vietnam era focus on God, Guns, 'n Gays. I come from the northeast, an area first settled by religious fundamentalists who founded the first colleges in America. Harvard and Yale were both originally schools of theology/divinity, created to turn out ministers to cultivate new flocks as settlement spread west.

Today, there are nearly no christian or bible colleges in NY and New England. That "movement" was on the wane at the time the Baptist church permanently divided over the issue of slavery in the 1840's.

I spent my time on campus when sororieties were in the past, phased out, as was any influence of "christian belief". I also believe that christian zealots are influencing the federal government and courts to the degree that they are destroying it:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...6&postcount=11

I want to see our society go forward, not backwards. This thread's OP reads to me similarly to one that could begin with, another student in my class was using a buggy whip to harrass the student sitting in front of her.

I want to live in a society where the public influence, even the mention of religion, is noticeably more subdued, than say....it is in Iran. I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing a progression towards the opposite. A reference to "christian fraternities", and one to a "christian college", in one thread, in just a dozen posts, in a thread not about a "christian" related subject, is to me, a sign of "the problem", and I mentioned it.

By the way...the spell checker on this forum, is programmed to display an error if the "c" in "christian" is not capitalized.

telekinetic

You picked the wrong country to live in, then, bud...this one happens to be founded on freedom of religion.

I bet the spell checker flags Christmas, Jew, and Islam, too. Damn you Christian zealots, and your all reaching influence!

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surferlove007

Wow the immature response comes to mind...edited.

Anyway, I did not stereotype all sorority girls. (if you read my original post) My sister in fact is in a sorority. I also had a great roommate who was a member of a Christian sorority on campus and she was a great. I have nothing to be jealous of except maybe those wonderful boots they all seem to wear with miniskirts.

And yes, when someone treats me with disrespect for no reason I have a right to think she's a bitch especially after the way she acted. She represents that type of crowd, and therefore is a poor reflection. Your wife might have been in a sorority but she wasn't the one who was rude to me and made me get irritated about the entire genre of people to begin with.

And another thing, I do not go out and have random threesomes with people I do not know. I do not sleep around with people I do not know. I'm in a monogamous adult relationship. Sorority girls are known to party hard, sleep around, and do other promiscuous things. I've heard several girls in my P.E. classes talk about their crazy weekends and how they hooked up with so and so.


I am allowed an opinion. If you have a problem don't read it. Those girls make it this way by their actions. If they were taught better maybe there wouldn't be such a negative stereotype associated. Show's how well they were brought up, good job to their parents.

I would be embarrassed if I had a daughter like that.

Glory's Sun

Ok.. so here's the deal. There are bitches in sororities. There are assholes in fraternities.

guess what.. they're everywhere else too. It's just that you notice them more when they are grouped together.

There's really no reason to get irritated about an "entire" genre of people because of one person. If you start doing that, then pretty soon you'll hate every genre of person.. including the genre you fall into.

host

No, not too long ago, I moved to Georgia because the woman I love has put down roots there, and I found out what I was missing for my first 4 dozen years. In the midst of the onset of a crisis stage of a hundred year drought, here's our gov:
You must feel significantly threatened by the points of argument in my last post, because you came at me, instead of the responding to the merits of my arguments.....right down to your objection to the degree to which I participate on the TFP forum....

The nation "was founded" on a principle of protecting the government FROM religion, the men who drafted the US constitution came from the same country where Henry VIII ruled under the influence and in reaction to a "state" religion.

Ustwo

This thread has done something for me, by reopening a long neglected chapter in my life.

I was in a Fraternity. It was a national frat and I would hardly call its members rich. The frat dues for living in house were less than the dorms, and also provided meals (better than the dorms). Most of the members came from middle and lower middle class families, and we had a lot of small town guys in it as well. Thats not to say there were not frats with more rich kids or the like, but the system itself was quite diverse.

We had quite a bit of fun, I met my wife at a party we were having, and I still had the GPA to succeed in life after in my chosen field. I'd add that the fraternity and sorority GPA's were always higher than the non-greek student body.

But some things I forgot about. We also raised enough money while I was there to create a playground for handicapped children in the city, these had to be designed for various disablities and were expensive. Several of our members would volunteer summers to erect these across the country. We also did volunteer work with a sorority on city clean up projects, and let me tell ya, I'd not have been getting up at 7 on a Saturday morning when I was 19 if it weren't a group organized activity like that.

Looking more into it, I wasn't much of a ladies man in college. My 'record' was 4 non-sorority and 2 sorority girls. For such sluts, they didn't seem any more into it than those normal girls who didn't pay for their friends.

Interesting when I met my wife she had recently joined a sorority, the week before. She was at a party at my fraternity and we really started to hit it off from the first moment we were together (no not love at first site, more like lust) and we went up to my room to talk more where the music wasn't so loud (and yes just talk). So there we were, door shut, getting to know each other and *knock knock* hey (insertustwofuturewifename) are you ok in there? This happened two more times before we just left the door open so we would not have to keep opening the door. So here was this 18 year old girl, her first week in college, in a guys room (and I'd been drinking), a recipe for disaster were I not who I am, and here they were checking up on her to make sure she was ok even though they only knew her as a new pledge, nothing beyond that. Apparently that was their MO for parties like this, where a handful of older girls would make sure no one got into trouble.

So while its easy from the outside looking in to attempt to look down upon them, make up cutesy derogatory names, and talk about it being an anachronism as if somehow things are better without it, but for me it was a very valuable part of my growing up.

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host

We didn't drink alcohol on the fraternityless and sororietyless campuses...it tends to make people do aggressive and ridiculous things. We smoked and swallowed hallucinogenics and no one was concerned about being "take advantage of", to the extent that we relied on our pears to fill a role as monitors following us around, intruding on our privacy.

I guess when the peace treaty was signed in '73, the country began it's long regression to where we find ourselves, today!

surferlove007

The only reason some greeks have higher GPAs is because they get help (tests, notes and other aids) from other members with connections. It's not simply because they're smarter. I know because several sorority girls at work have told me this. Also if they don't maintain a certain GPA they get kicked out of their group and then they don't have as many friends.

telekinetic

Let's make some substitutions.

If the girl in your story was hispanic, would it be OK for you to generalize against that "all those damn Mexicunts*"?

If the girl in your story was from Boston, would we then have no problems with you rallying against the infernal "Masssachusluts*"?

etc etc

Projecting experiences with an individual (or even a group of individuals) to the entire population of a group, and presenting it as a viable stereo type is a slippery slope.

*(Disclaimer: as far as I know I made both of those up for the purpose of illustration. Both are obviously offensive, that's the point. Although that doesn't keep me from continuing to chuckle to myself at the sheer unweildy ridiculousness of Massachusluts. hehehehe)

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Ustwo

Well shit, instead of keystone I could have been doing hallucinogens? Well sign me up so I can follow that white rabbit down the hole!

I'm also glad that you had eliminated rape, thats spiffy.

Now I'm not sure what college you attended, but while the greek system has gone through cycles on mine, its been there through the 60's and 70's.

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host

I guess "liberal" Time magazine, in 1975, was telling lies about the vanishing of fraternities and sororities from campuses....

ring

twistedmosaic just said what I have been thinking, thank you for the succint logic.

hambone

just curious cause I reread the OP and was wondering something. It seems the girl in the story is not even said to be in a sorority. It seems like you say "I have met some really rude, self-centered sorostitute sluts" and then proceed to talk about some blond girl in your class.

Do you know her to be in a sorority? Or is this just an assumption?

Just wondering cause I wasn't sure.

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surferlove007

Ahem...she's wearing a greek shirt, Kappa Kappa Gamma to be exact.

Leto

I was puzzled about that too. Universities tend to be non-parochial (at least in these parts) as the student body is quite cosmopolitan. I don't think that I could attend a university that was overtly "Christian" or "insert-denomination-here"...

hambone

thanks for clarifying. must have missed it.

continue..

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Ustwo

Its called a test file. You take a class, you put your old tests, quizes, notes in the folder so the guy below you can use them too. It wasn't particularly helpful, and didn't mean I had to study less. In fact our test file was pretty awful, but I'm sure some are better. The best thing we had going was notes and quotes which you could pay for notes from a particular class, but that was a campus thing not a greek thing.

You are being to defensive. No one said they were smarter, only that they had higher GPA's.

The national organizations for all of these frats/sororities are not run by students but by former, now graduated members. They, decide GPA policy and some universities will have a minimum gpa set up as well. Both the national boards, and the university want to make sure that education comes first and to set a minimum goal. If you are not meeting this goal, then you need to spend less time with your social organization. Additionally the greek systems as a rule exceed this minimum. From my pledge class alone we had 4 doctors and several engineers, (with at least 2 PhD's, not sure about all of them of course). Academics, at least for my fraternity, was not a major issue. Hell even if the motivation was as petty as you claim, it seems to work out just fine.

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snowy

Notably, all the sororities on my campus, and many others, are dry.

The fraternities are not.

However, Greek life had little to no effect on my drinking as a minor undergrad. Drinking in the dorms was as common as drinking is in fraternities here.

Undeniably, Greek life is dying out here--slowly. There are 2 fewer fraternities on campus now than there were when I was a freshman, and 2 fewer sororities.

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mixedmedia

I just want to interject that I don't approve of calling women sluts unless it's a term of endearment.

Yeah, I know, but I gots to be me.

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telekinetic

We could be missing an obvious point. If you take a statistically random sample from a large population of students, and then kick out all of them below an arbitrary threshold GPA, you will always have a higher average GPA in that filtered group than in the population as a hole. Simple math.

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Ustwo

The buffalo was vanishing too, it made a comeback. There is a world of difference between 'vanishing' and 'gone' plus the term 'vanishing' was most likely sensational, the proper term would have been, obviously 'shrinking'. Time has made a few mistakes, Hitler as man of the year, Global Cooling, obviously they can be wrong

The greek system also shrank quite a bit in the late 80's early 90's. No idea where it is today, but my guess is with the internet making social networking its a lot less useful than it was when we were school age.

Does that mean we are progressing back to LSD happy times? Who knows!

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Redlemon

I'd just like to note here that Google presently has zero hits on Massachusluts. Congratulations, this word is entirely yours. On the other hand, Masshole has about 148,000.

/proud native
/way off topic

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Hyacinthe

my university does not have sororities or fraternities of any kind, infact I don't know of any that do. Despite that we definitely have the type of girl you are talking about, the type that walk around in an outfit not much bigger then underwear and then top it off with a big coat and ugg boots.

Generally I just ignore them unless they're getting in the way of me studying - for example if I am trying to listen to a lecture and they're sitting in front of me talking about their weekend I will and have leant forward and said something along the lines of "Hi, I'm just wondering why you're here since you're obviously not listening to the lecturer? Is it just to piss off people like me who actually want to do well in this unit or for some other reason? Either way shut up or leave"

We do have social clubs but they're generally more based on your course of study - engineers have a club, nurses have a club, dentists have a club etc etc etc They're not a huge deal though - we do events every few weeks, drinks and a BBQ or something like that.

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