Ace_O_Spades

Well I know there's tons of BCers here on TFP, so I'm gonna ask what you think of ol' Campbell this time around.

I'm NOT voting Liberal, that's for sure. Campbell and the libs needs to learn accountability for his actions. I'm not voting NDP either, however - they fucked up so badly I don't think they'll get into power until we have a new generatin of voters who forget what they did. I don't want to waste my ballot, but I refuse not to vote... I guess I'll have to examine my other opportunities.

Marijuana party?

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BigBen

Dude, that would be, like, so totally.... coooool if the Bong Party won the election.

On a serious note, the advantage of having several parties (unlike the states and their Kang and Kodos fiasco) is that if LOTS OF PEOPLE vote for the MJ party but they dont win a single seat (possible) it is like having a little tiny referendum.

But in this case it would be a 'reeferendum' Im sorry. I'm in a weird mood today.

If the MJ party got like 30% of the vote, the same as the NDP but not as much as the PC's (sorry, not up on BC parties too much) and the PC's won the seat, what have the voters told the PC party AND the NDP?

They had better wake up and start taking the MJ platform seriously, and if they incorporate it into their own, they will win more votes.

The bad news is if that the voters accidentally vote in some nut-job as a protest vote and he goes cukoo for cocoa puffs in the legislature, they can point to him and dismiss the whole party and platform as stupid and irrelevant. Don't vote for a nut-job as a protest vote. Look what happened to us in Saskatchewan and the Alliance...

One final thing, belonging to Tilted Politics and Paranoia, but those yanks would not understand so I say it here: Anyone ever get freaked out that the Canadian Alliance sounds just like the Rebel Alliance off of Star Wars?

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metalgeek

Hey the rebel alliance where the good guys seems to fit
Anyways, is the green party making any movements in BC?

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ChasingAmy

The Libs bent BC over and dry humped with out even a courtesy spit. I haven't seen any polls yet but I hope that they don't get back in. Originally from BC I wish I could vote here but I just recently moved back from quite a while away. 6 months hasn't passed yet so I can't vote! So I won't get my say! :P Oh well next time around.

There are 12 more parties this year too eh? Not sure if these ones are new or not (too lazy to search that indepth atm!) here are a few:

Work Less Party of British Columbia
People of British Columbia Millionaires Party, The
Communist Party of BC

Oh this one is a good one I am sure they will win! The PACWHDTTFTABTOPs!!

"Party Of Citizens Who Have Decided To Think For Themselves And Be Their Own Politicians"

So good luck to my fellow voters! Pick me a winner!

lol

Cheers!

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Ace_O_Spades

I have seen conflicting poll results showing the liberals with a lead, or dead even with the NDP... but none with the NDP leading

So unless Campbell goes retarded and gets arrested for drunk driving or something equally stupid, he should have a lock on this election.... Oh shit... wait...

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Antikarma

I'm voting Liberal. Or at least I would, if I were with my wife and family in BC still. The reason?

I'm sick of governments that run themselves into the ground with high spending. I seriously think BC is a province where Vanderzam or Clarke could run again. People have such short memories. BC is home to union Goons that try to strongarm the government at every turn. And when they don't get their way, they run like a 6 year old to the papers, oh no, the Liberals are oppressing me....

You know why Campbell had to make cuts and cut jobs? Because the Govt is NOT a job creation program. Fast Ferries? Hell lets FORGET them, I mean, they were better than job cuts right? Casino licenses in return for decks? Well I'd rather THAT then the oppression of the people. I mean, those Government employees have the RIGHT to a free ride through life in a job that shouldn't even exist.

And before you go pouncing me into the flame war, I was a Govt employee, as is my wife still in BC. And when we had 4 managers (count em, 4) for 6 employees, and they SELF ADMITTEDLY did squat, its time for some cuts.

And you know what, if you don't want to vote Liberal or NDP, all the power to you, but PLEASE don't throw away your vote to some shite like the Communist party. Vote green, and at least be PART of a positive change. The greens are very very close in some ridings.

And, as I've said before, flame on.

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It never seems to matter who we vote for anymore. They all want to bend us over, give it to us & then take our wallets when they go.

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splck

If you want smaller parties to have a voice in the Leg, pay attention to the STV referendum this election. This is more important than the actual election IMO. http://www.elections.bc.ca/elections...referendum.htm

The NDP will get some seats back (they make a good opposition) but thankfully, they won't form government.

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BigBen

I think I just heard my Polst prof cheer...

WOW, what an incredible system. I like it, and I think it speaks to some of the deadwood we have in our legislative assemblies now.

A couple of questions:
1. I have seen peoples handwriting, and the advantage of having an 'X' in the appropriate circle is justified. I can see the fight of "It's a number 1 you fool!" and the reply "No, it's a 7! Look how long that top line is!" How would the STV system address the human interaction problems?

2. How much longer would it take to count the votes here? In the age of satelites, the internet and our instant gratification, the delay in results under the new system would be a cause for concern.

3. If I read the report properly, there would be fewer ridings and more representatives in each riding... I like the idea. Having 2 or 3 people represent me is exciting. I have suffered as a XXXXX in a riding where YYYYY got elected, and I gave up hope for ever getting my opinion heard. Would there be an open revolt?

4. Is everyone of the opinion that increased citizen participation is a good thing? What if the smart people are in charge, and the ignorant masses elect Pauly Shore because they think he is 'Da Bomb'? I am not sure I want the rednecks to have a larger say around here.

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JJRousseau

Well, I fear the flames for this post, but...

I like Gordon Campbell. Sound-bites and drunk driving aside, he has done exactly what I expected him to do when he got elected. He has run his government with a vision of what he thinks is best for the province "as he sees it". Whether or not one agrees with that vision, I find it refreshing to see a government that makes unpopular decisions.

Look at the federal Liberals. They are all about opinion polls and getting re-elected. The result is a dithering, ineffective government.

Now, just before you decide you have me figured out, I have to add that the only politician I have ever met with true integrity of character was Mike Harcourt. He'd be my vote for king of the world.

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JJRousseau

Certainly one of the bigger difficulties inherent in a democracy. One vote per point of IQ??? Some people have suggested that it should be one vote for each dollar of income.

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Yakk

BC-STV is well designed, from what I have just read of it.

It is guaranteed to suffer from game-theoretic problems (as are all non-random voting systems -- I haven't seen a proof if you allow chance) involving gaming your vote, but almost certainly less than first-past-the-post.

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Yakk

I looked into this deeper.

The big problem I see with BC-STV is that no human being or set of human beings could verify the vote without a computer bottleneck.

And definately you couldn't verify it to the level of the current voting system, in which every step and calculation is scrutinized by multiple people in verifiable ways.

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Antikarma

You know, I guess I keep confusing this board with another one, because this is the only board where I come out guns firing expecting this with counter views to Flame War away, and where I get politely countered with rational arguements that make me reconsider my perspective. Damn you all for making me question my morals.

My question. Has anyone actually looked into the political platform of the Greens. It realistically looks as though they could win a seat or two in this election, and it twould be rather odd to have a Green party member in the mix at question time (I wonder if the other kids will sit with him/her in the legislative cafeteria??)

I got to meet Mike Harcourt when I was a member of youth parliament (holy crap, I suck...). The guy was as straight as an arrow, and didn't treat us kids like we were anything other than educated voters. I still like the guy.

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ALBINO

Hey guys, this is my first post in these forums . I'm a big follower of BC politics and really know the insides of what's happening because my roommate is involved with the BC liberals. Now I will be voting for Gordon Campbell and the liberals and I'll tell you why. First they've done a really good job getting our province back into shape. When they took over things were really bad and now they're really starting to look up. Second they haven't had any big problems like we have seen the NDP have such as Bingogate and other scandals. I think the advertising is a big problem for voters. We're constantly bombarded by ads funded by unions which give us half-truths such as the hospital and school commercials. The hospital commercial desides to leave out all the hospital openings, renovations, and increases in services at many hospitals. The commercials just like to make things out as doom and gloom with all the closures. If you have a small hospital 20 minutes away from a semi-large city it just makes sense to close the small one down. It saves a lot of money. As for the school closure commericial paid for the teachers, it manages to leave out the fact that there are less students, new schools are being opened in expanding areas and closed in contracting ones. The liberals have increased funding for k-12 education every year when enrollment has been dropping. That means a huge increase in per capita spending. That's really all I can think of now. Being a student at UVic I hear too much crap from the hippies

frankgrimes

Being a wizened veteran of many B.C. elections, I don't have the energy or desire to write a long post on my feelings, unlike some of you youngsters, but suffice it to say I'm voting NDP. These days, in Canada, not just B.C. there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between any of the mainstream party's economic platforms. It's more about the general philosopy that you feel closer to, for me. I prefer the NDP's platform. The liberal's record on the environment, which is important to me, sucks, and they have had their share of scandals, they have just been damn good at keeping a lid on things, as well as a very disinterested media (and public). The economy, of course, is bigger than the provincial government, they've had some good luck to be in power during the "good times". As for me, the company I work for was doing great in the 90s, we've slowed down considerably the last 2 or 3 years, I'd gladly go back to when the NDP was in power. By the way, I'm a graduate of UVIC. I'm not a hippie, but i've heard too much from the business types lately...

Powderedmaggot

I'm not voting liberal or NDP. The mariuana party is a joke and would be a waste of my vote IMO. I'm voting for the green party. I know they will not win but last time around they took a respectable number of votes. If the stv was in place they would have ended up with a few seats.

Ace_O_Spades

so do you guys think the STV will pass?

I hope it does... proportional representation or something like it is very important in my view.

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splck

STV is abouth the only reason I'm heading out to vote this time around.
Sadly, not too many people have even heard about it.

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