SH?

asia?

not SH...not asia

So I'm in EH and NH, not Asia.

Island?

yes, an island

Indian Ocean?

sri lanka?

not Indian Ocean...so not Sri Lanka....hi MIA < not a clue, I'm just saying "hi"

The Med?

crete?

Not the Med...not Crete...though I have been called a crete < not a clue, just saying

Persian Gulf?

baltic?

not Persian Gulf and not the Baltic

china sea?

not in the china sea

...I'll say that the reason I went to where I am is that it's counter-intuitive to me that it is what it is where it is.

is it an island in a body of water NOT an ocean?

no...it is an island with an ocean on one side and a sea on the other side of it.

like as in formosa?

sort of...Formosa/Taiwan has the Pacific on one side and the straits or China Sea on the other side...same idea, different place, but remember, not Asia.

as in madagascar?

another good example of the concept, but not Madagascar either.

Socotra?

Nope....since Socotra is in Yemen and Yemen is in Southwest Asia and I'm not in Asia. And you guys are dancing around Africa, and I'm not in Africa either.

somewhere in micronesia?

So you're-o-peein'?

Nope, not micronesia and I'm not o-peein....though I still find it a fun challenge to see how up the wall I can be o-peein < that's not a clue, I'm just saying.

As you're probably finding by now, like I said earlier, I'm where I am because it is counter-intuitive that it is what it is where it is.

north of the continental soviet union?

...well it is "north of" yes, but not directly north in the sense that if you head directly north from csu you won't get to me.

novaya zemlya?

no, but when I looked up where that is I found pics of polar bears there so that's cool.

head east to the North Pacific

severnaya zemlya?

head more east and south

...wouldn't these Russian/"Soviet Union" places be considered "Asia" where I am not? Think "counter-intuitive" as far as "how the hell can this be in the EH?" ...at least to me it was highly so until I got here.

st. lawrence island?

now you're cookin' with blubber! You got the right idea...but st. lawrence is in the WH. Look around there some more.

ostrov beringa?

that's getting quite close...head about 600 miles further east but still in the EH...and not in Russia

the only other island east of there and west of the IDL is preobrazhenskoye...

hmmm, that's not really correct, unc. here's a strong clue:

I'm at a place that is in the United States but in the eastern hemisphere!...in fact, it is the most eastern point in the U.S. for that very reason. I know I was surprised until I got here.

after sleeping on this for a while, i woke up in wake island...

but that's way south of where you've been directing me...

I'm glad you're awake, but I'm no where near Wake Island. Go back to Ostrov Beringa and head about 600 miles due east, almost to the IDL.

i got nothin'...sorry...

you're forgiven unc.

But I hate to be the first one in this game to have caused the guessers to give up. But just say "uncle" and I'll know what you mean and spill the beans...and take another turn, I presume...or does that make me permanently banned from this game? please don't banish me to lands unknown :(

this is the best i've got, based on your clues...

there ain't nothin else 600 miles east of ostrov beringa and still west of the IDL...

Give it another shot, I know you'll find me.

How about finding what might be the easternmost part of the United States? If you search that question, you'll see a place that has the easternmost longitude of any U.S. territory and it's an island in the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and it is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere. It surprised me that part of Alaska is actually in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Attu Island in the Aleutian Islands... but that's over the IDL.

EDIT: Aha. Didn't see your post there. So I guess that solidifies my answer.

Attu Island is a very good guess, MacGuyver, and quite close to where I am.

But since Attu has longitude coordinates of 172°54′33.84″E it is not "the easternmost" since the island I am on in the Aleutians has longitude coordinates over 179° and is widely noted to be the easternmost longitude in the U.S. Keep in mind that as the longitude numbers get lower you are moving more westward. Go east, young man, go east.

must be Amatignak then.

hahaa...I hunted through all these same places that you're guessing so I'm reliving my own frustrations.

However, Amatignak is in the Western Hemisphere, not in the Eastern Hemisphere.

In fact: Amatignak Island is a member of the Delarof Islands (western Andreanof Islands), in Alaska's Aleutian archipelago. The south-most point of Alaska is on this island, as well as the highest western longitude of the United States and North America.

Keep looking in that immediate area but just over the IDL in the eastern hemisphere. If you're looking at a map, you'll notice this island has a little "lake" near the middle of it since it is basically a volcano like most islands around here and I suspect that's part of the caldera.

Semisopochnoi?

bingo Semisopochnoi! You found me so you're up next, MacGuyver.

I always thought I was pretty good with geography but I was very surprised to find that part of one of the fifty states of the U.S. could be in the eastern hemisphere.

It's the spot marked A on the map below. On this map that line between Russia and Alaska is the border, not the IDL. Although there are islands to the "left" of A on the map, those are more western since they are further from the IDL than Semisopochnoi Island. And islands to the "right" are in the western hemisphere.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...isopochnoi.jpg

Semisopochnoi Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At 179°37' East, Semisopochnoi is arguably the easternmost location in the United States and North America, as it sits only 23 minutes west of the 180th meridian, and therefore in the Eastern Hemisphere.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...isopochnoi.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...0mciek16yE.jpg

Sweet! Fire away. I guess I'll go ahead and tell you im in the EH because I know that's going to be the first question asked, so lets just get that out of the way.

nick, i was going by the IDL...isn't that the hemispherical dividing line?

NH?

Asia?

unc, I was also going by the IDL...at least I think/hope I didn't make some geographic screw up.

The IDL is measured/called the 180° longitude and the closer you are to 180 with an "E" east designation, the more "east" you are. Semisopochnoi is 179°37' East so it is less than 1 degree longitude away from the IDL on the east side. No?

I call Opps!

For part of its length, the International Date Line follows the meridian of 180° longitude, roughly down the middle of the Pacific Ocean. In order to keep from crossing nations internally, however, the line deviates to pass around the far east of Russia and various island groups in the Pacific.

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MacGuyver- Europe?

MacGuyver - are you on an island?


Tul,
How do you/we reconcile that with Semisopochnoi's longitude being shown as 179°37' East in every reference I can find. Can anybody show a source saying it has a WH longitude or even on the IDL?

Asia, no islands

are you west of 70 degrees longitude?

...and I assume NH as previously guessed?

The photo you posted shows the IDL-

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...isopochnoi.jpg

The IDL doesn't always follow 180 it jogs around things like countries. It does this mainly up around Russia and down in the islands in the South Pacific. Keeps countries all on the same date. It, unlike Greenwich, isn't always a straight line.

landlocked country?

Not west of long 70. Higher longitude number than 70.

Landlocked is a tough question. It depends on perspective and borders I suppose, but it is fairly close in proximity to the water. Technically it is part of a country that is not landlocked, but don't get too technical.

by landlocked, we mean a country that does NOT have any border on an ocean. e.g., pennsylvania borders on lake erie but not the atlantic ocean; ergo it is considered "landlocked..."

so, are we dealing with a province?

Are you in Tadschikistan?


Tul,
you're just jealous 'cause you didn't find me ;) ...from my POV anyway you slice it Semisopochnoi is shown with an EH longitude but it is part of Alaska...so go figure. Unless you have a source showing it in the WH in which case I'll grovel and drink too many beers as penance.

Yeah I knew what it meant, I just got a little too subjective in my answer. Sorry, I was kind of roundabout in that respect. TECHNICALLY, this place is part of a country that is not landlocked.

Nope. More Asia, less Eastern Europe.

are you in afghanistan?

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tul, if we ever get together in fells point this summer, i'll help him drink so many beers he'll think he fell OFF the point...

Nope. More Asia, less Middle East. Remember guys, I am EAST of 70 long.

sorry, forgot...

nepal?

No but now you are in the immediate vicinity. Once you guys get the country then we can start to narrow it down.

bhutan?

You're getting warmer! This is a sort of famous spiritual place. or it could be considered infamous I guess depending on how you look at it.

sikkim?

nope, you're going back the wrong direction.

I've been pretty busy and happy not to have the "flag." But I think you should begin the grovel now...

You said-

The IDL clearly goes west of your location. All of Alaska, going by the IDL, is in the WH.

Go drink your beer. I'll do the same, it's been along day.

Mac, are you in Kashmir? <<< I have a feeling you are!



I had a couple tall mugs of Victory Brewery's new beer today...I think it's called Victory Devil although I don't see it listed on their website...I think it just came out and good old Tony's had it featured today so I had some. Knowing that I'm such a beer-o-phile they came over to ask me what I thought of it. My initial impression, actually suspicion since I thought this before even tasting it, was that it would hit me/you over the head with HOPS!!! like too many beers seem to be doing now adays. So my first few sips were quite hoppy but then the taste mellowed out, which they told me was from the combination of Belgian wheat beer style with the hops. All in all, I liked it and would have it again...maybe tomorrow :)

So Tul...other than your bombastic claims, do you have any references you can point me to, to support your claim of "all of Alaska in the WH"?

Here's another one to support my claim, this is from
Alaska History and Cultural Studies - The Geography of Alaska - Alaska's Location

Alaska has the distinction of being in both the eastern and the western hemisphere. The Rat Islands and Near Islands lie in the Eastern Hemisphere. Thus, Alaska is sometimes the subject of trivia game questions: “What is the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state of the United States?”

Being the Led Zeppelin fan that I am, you got it... wrong. Sorry. I do really love zep though.

You guys keep going in the wrong direction! Bhutan was so much closer.

are you in Tibet?

arunachal pradesh?

You left off "According to this system" and I don't see any claims in the article that show the IDL always on 180 or that the IDL is in a different location then any other source. The IDL swings west around Alaska, leaving it's outer islands on a the same date as the then rest of the state.

When you said-

It is in fact "No." Least at some locations. Like Alaska where it jogs around the states outer islands. Leaving all of the state in the WH by your own words that you were going by by the IDL.


Or do you have a source showing the IDL running through the Aleutian Islands... or did you simply misspeak when you told Unc you were going by to the IDL? You simply can't have it both ways.

It's old news and too early here to drink beer (not to mention this entire issue is nothing to get excited about.)

Now where's my morning coffee.

MacGuyver- You're not sitting on top of Everest are you?

Mac,
are you at Mt. Kailash, Tibet?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ailash-500.jpg



OK, Tul, I think I get your point now. So I was in fact wrong by saying the "IDL" when I should have talked about the 180° longitude line that separates the EH and WH. While all of Alaska is on one side of the IDL, the EH/WH dividing line does put Semisopochnoi Island just to the EH side of that line so it is the easternmost part of the U.S.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...I/alaskaeh.jpg

I am! Now just narrow down to where I am in here. I already gave a clue as to where.

Parshuram Kund?

Nope, we are in Arunachal Pradesh, but where in there?

Are you at Malinithan situated at Likabali?

nope... think more spiritual

malinithan?

Nope, Nick just guessed that. I am close to the Bhutan border.

rukhmininagar?

Tawang Monastery?

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...0I/3808763.jpg

You got it! I am in Buddhist Tawang. So I didn't call this landlocked because I guess its actually a part of India, but I've also seen things that say China stakes a claim at it. Either way it's kind of a sacred place so no one is going to get too involved with it.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/10456386.jpg

Tawang Monastery or Gompa also known as the 'Galden Namgyal Lhatse', is a 400 year old Tawang Monastery Buddhist monastery of the Mahayana sect, built in the 17th century. It is situated at a height of 3500 meters or 10,000 ft at the Bhutan border. The monastery was founded by a monk, Mera Lama, a contemporary of the fifth Dalai Lama. It is a vast complex of 65 buildings - a treasure house of old scriptures, priceless images, painted tapestries, books and collection of gold lettered Buddhist scriptures. The ‘Parkhang’ hall of the monastery houses the library which holds the rare hand written and block-printed 'Thankas' or manuscripts of revered books like 'Tangym', 'Kangyur' and 'Sungbhum'. The other rare works of Buddhist literature include 108 gold-embossed manuscripts of the 'Teaching of Lord Buddha' and 225 volumes of the explanations of Buddha’s teachings covered with specially designed moth - proof silk adorned with paintings. There is a towering 18 ft high gilded statue of the Buddha in the monastery complex.

http://www.gurudongma.com/images/aru...astery%202.jpg

Nick is up!

That's very beautiful.

cool place, Mac. I'm feeling particularly spiritual just thinking of that place. Peace.

Give me a bit to figure out where to go next.



OK, folks, where in the world am I?

are you near the IDL? :)

depends what you mean by "near" ;) ...but no

EH?

yes EH

SH?

no, I'm EH and NH...but nowhere near Alaska

Europe?

asia?

Tul's in my trail...I'm a 'pean