Boomer is hotter than Starbuck (IMHO) especially when she is soaked (Water).

- didn't the original Starbuck actor go on to become "The Faceman" in the "A-Team"?

I just obtained the 3 seasons on DVD from my neighbour, and have been working my way through them (on Season 1, the episode where they decide to elect a vice-president).

Astounding series and I am hooked. I really like the way Olmos does a Horatio Cane, do you think they were tutored by William Shatner? At any rate, he makes the show.

-- Just a note on the history/cosmology of the series: I gather that in this universe, Humanity has long ago left the Earth to build an inter-planetary civilisation. It currently appears to be heavy into Greek/Western deities and astrology for cultural/symbolic support. What is the reference to Kobol? One of the planets that has now become ancient in Human history?

How long ago in this universe did humanity leave Earth, if nobody knows where it is now?

Agreed.
Correct.
I can't answer this question without giving away a lot of information, assuming you're still in the first season. When you've finished all 3, come back and I will answer all.

Thank you Master!

-- Grasshopper

Is anyone excited about Battlestar Galactica: Razor?
Is anyone else sad that you have to endure Flash Gordon to watch it? :-)

Luckly for me I have Tivo. Fast Forward FTW!

I will get it on DVD in early december. No publicity ;)

As for the story itself, might be interesting, but it's season four I want :oogle:

I tried to give Flash a shot. It is painful. I will wait until I can download the Razor stuff.

Agreed on Flash. It's a joke, and not a funny one.

The Season 4 Promo is up on Youtube! Enjoy. :)

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VysVxz2_rQg"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VysVxz2_rQg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

Battlestar Galactica: Razor Flashbacks (Part 1)
Battlestar Galactica: Razor Flashbacks (Part 1)

Please to enjoy. Remember, even though we've all agreed Flash Gordon sucks ass, we get full quality Battlestar during the commercials, brand spanking new. I'd watch Fear Factor if it meant new Battlestar.

Yay - more Baltar, also glad to hear that this isn't the final Battlestar season!

Say what? Yes it is

^ Oops - you're right, read the wrong article up at the top, or at least didn't read the article afterwards.

The newest Battlestar Razor was awesome. It was nice to see the classic Cylon ships again! WOOT!

It's so cool to see "Husker" taking out toasters in his military infancy.

Not really a fan of the guy playing young Adama, but the webisodes have been cool nonetheless. Definitely great to see the old style raiders and basestars. Plus, I don't know if anyone else noticed, but they made the music more reminiscent of the original series as well, which is cool.

Yes they did, but it's still very much Bear.

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

I'm either the first or the 100th loser who's came in here and said this.

what are you doing? stop that! MICHEAL!

I haven't seen any of the Razor flashbacks yet but I watched the Razor movie last night and it kicked ass. I loved the old school toasters.

Was it leaked? Is it the joyous time for spoiler tags in the BSG thread again?!

Onodrim and I will be watching it - on the big screen - on Monday night :D

Why accept blame for this myself? I blame kutulu for telling me it is out there (thanks man). I blame the network for having such huge pauses in between seasons. I blame torrent reactor for having a well seeded HD copy that I could pull down in around 20 minutes. . .

I take full responsibility for my actions. It was great and I will watch it again when it is broadcast.

If you haven't watched it, know this: super good, lots of backstory and best of all, lots of space battles!

All of scifi's budget should go into battlestar, and it should be on 50 weeks a year with a 2 hour special.

Can't wait to see it in a movie theatre tomorrow night! :D

The registration for SF filled quickly. Too quickly, I'm afraid.

And a little disturbing at times.

well....it was awesome :D

I'll wait until it airs on regular TV before bothering to bring up the obvious question for discussion ;)

Spoiler: Do they have a hot asian woman pez dispenser somewhere?

LMAO, that's not the question I was thinking of...and she's only part Asian, not even half ;) According to wikipedia, "her mother is Portuguese and her father Chinese-Norwegian-English," though she was born in Hong Kong.

But yes, she is pretty hot, and the Australian accent certainly didn't hurt ;)

Ah, then you must be referring to:
Spoiler: "Kara Thrace will lead the human race to it's end. She is the herald of the apocalypse; the harbinger of death. They must not follow her."
Honestly? I'm inclined to agree. Don't ask me why, call it a hunch.

EDIT: DON'T READ THIS SPOILER IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN IT YET. YOU'LL SPOIL EVERYTHING.

Seconded. Really hot. I for one was hoping for Spoiler: a lesbian scene between her and Cain as a replacement to the hole left in Cain's heart.

That would have been the only thing that could have made it better.

OMG, that would have been awesome. Not to mention Spoiler: Ron Moore has a penchant for gratuitous sexual scenes. It would have been nice to have a threeway with Cain, Jeana, and Shaw. Still, I wasn't disappointed at all.

hahaha, that would have rocked....maybe it's on the extended, unrated DVD cut? :p

A man can dream.

This has all cum before and it will all cum again?

One thing I will say is that the timing of Razor sucks. It's really difficult to go from nothing for several months to an hour and a half movie and back to nothing for who knows how long with the writer's strike. I now wish I hadn't watched it at all and instead just downloaded it and waited till the day before the season premier.

I actually did that with the last two eps of the previous season. After Kara got lost my wife and I decided that things were nicely wrapped up for now and it would be easier to leave things there instead of watching the finale and having some huge cliffhanger. It worked for a long time until I accidentally found out what happened in the finale, then we needed to watch it and had teh stupid cliffhanger.

Regarding the strike, I found this article. I've quoted two relevant parts:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p2.html

How the strike relates to the webisodes that BSG did:

Scheduling for the whole season:

The writer's strike need to end in the next week, then. If it doesn't I'm going to kick some ass. Where will I start? NBC. The execs need to pay writers as they make money (and it's complete BS that they're not making money off internet sales, of course they are. NBC has been on iTunes for quite some time and the cost of uploading a digital copy to iTunes is negligible.)

Hear that NBC? Get your house in order or you'll have an insane fan to answer to.

I just received a tip that due to the writer's strike, NBC might move BSG to the main channel...

Yes, you've already seen the episodes but just think how cool it would be if it got an even larger audience?

In celebration of the pre-order of Season 3 of Battlestar, I give you one of my favorite Youtube videos:
Sound of Cylons

Yikes! When does season 4.1 get here? Isn't it April some time? How can they torture us like this?

Will Kara be accepted back into the Papa Adama fold?

What will happen with a dying President Laura Roslin?

What about a non-military Lee Adama?

WHEN WILL THEY TELL US?!!!

This just in...

BSG returns this Friday. For a quick update:

What the Frack is Going On?

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG...

OK, calm down guy, you don't even get to see the season premier until you get back from Pittsburgh. Which, by the way, may be the lamest reason ever for not getting to see this episode when it airs...

guy, you need to prioritize. Seriously.

Frack, I still need to watch Razor.

Yes, I still haven't watched it, even though I've had it on DVD since December. I guess I've been meaning to savour it and only watch it when the new season was on the horizon.

Either that, or I'm just out of my fracking mind.... where's the ambrosia?

Sci-Fi is running a marathon it seems this week. I got 9 episodes yesterday on the ol' DVR and the light is on it this morning recording something so I imagine that is more. I did watch the mini-series yesterday by chance before I knew it was on. Very cool to go back and see what they did and the differences.

I have my DVR setup to wake me to Battlestar every morning.

Best. Alarm clock. Ever

Wow, I thought this was your alarm every morning:
<EMBED SRC="http://www.whitwell.ndo.co.uk/musicthing/sounds/macstartup.mp3" AUTOSTART=FALSE LOOP=FALSE WIDTH=145 HEIGHT=55 ALIGN="CENTER">
</EMBED>

I finally watched Razor last weekend. I didn't know the new season started this week until today.

If you need a refresher course, here is about 40 hours (30? I don't know) compressed down to 8 minutes. They actually do a pretty good job of covering the story.
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/index.php?clip=recap
(It was working this morning, it isn't working for me right now)

The latest, and most exciting, promo for the upcoming season.

I really...really...really want it to start ASAP.

A. Pittsburgh is actually quite nice
B. This visit may seriously affect the course of my life
C. You're completely right

One thing I am not clear on. Remember the whole "Eye of Jupiter" thing where Dianna Beirs (Zena whatever her name is) saw the final five and said she was so sorry to one of them?

Ok - someone built that place who I assumed was the 13th tribe headed to Earth - humans correct? How then did they know who the final five were? If they were not humans they why wouldn't Cylons tell their buddies where Earth was? And even so, how long ago did they build that place? I mean it seems like in the last 42ish years the Cylons went from chrome toasters to 12 human form models. But the whole temple / eye of jupiter thing was constructed far before that. This does not make sense to me as something resolveable within the current story set.

Anyone want to jump on this?

"This has all happened before and it will all happen again."

Bingo.

that got put on the Tivo as an extra commercial... it was quite interesting to squeeze 3 seasons into a few minutes.

so I only got to page 4 or so, I just wanted to say i'm ramping myself up on this BSG stuff, I've never even seen a single episode before last night so I decided to torrent the entire season 1 and go from the start.

The doctor reminds me of "Julian Bashir" from DS9 (is it the same guy?)

Starbuck is hawt. very hawt.
I wubs her.

and I just watched Adama and the season 1 "cliffhanger" still waiting on the other seasons to finish :)

not same guy, Alexander Siddig played Bashir.

James Callis I never seen him in anything else.

Similar, but not the same. The only other thing I know James Callis has done is one of the Bridget Jones movies. But I hope he does a lot more after BSG. I really like him.

Shauk: Be sure to watch it in order! BSG is one of those kinds of shows where you don't want to skip a single episode. Enjoy :)

yeah i'm currently on episode 8 of season 2, ill get caught up by next weekend i'm sure.

Spoiler: Rumour has it a polar bear goes rampaging through the CIC and mauls Adama to death before being ripped to shreds by Col Tigh who's regenerated his eye and now has super strength

I did the same thing. downloaded all three seasons and watched them all within the week.

Spoiler: Gaius felt God in his hands

good 1st episode!! that was cool.

Best hour of TV in history. So far.

I have no idea where they are going to take us next and its awesome. I think it'll be interesting to see how the religious aspects fuse into the the main story line.

Wow, what an awesome episode!

haaahahahahahaha

I have officially caught up to the current episode and my god I laughed out loud at this part. It was awesome.


I'm totally agreeing with a lot of the assessments of this thread. The quick and forced relationship between mr. resistance guy and kara thrace (although it's pretty much dissolved at this point, all in title, nothing in feeling)

starbuck popping in so soon after exploding all over the place is a bit of poor timing but meh whatever, I guess they gotta rush thier way to tie up loose ends in s3 for s4 since they are calling it the last season.

I forsee the show ending with cylons and humans colonizing earth together. They aready missed the chance for the genocide because of helo trying to protect his woman.


I think season 1 was the best for "drama" though, in dealing with boomer trying to cope with her being a cylon and then "BAM* 2 to the chest for the finale, nothing has quite grabbed me since then as being like "zomgzomgzomg"


Gaius Baltar.... HAH. what an awesome act he is.

I have to sympathize with his position though.

He wants to know who he is, he wants to survive, he wants women, he wants to feel god in his hands ;) and he has done a lot to help the fleet despite everything he did to the contrary, so it's just time to see where this new generation half human/cylon baby hybrid is going to go story-wise.

I don't think that explains the "Eye of Jupiter" thing at all. It seems the framework of the story is the same, but the specific player tend to change. The scriptures give an outline, but not the playbook. I still am confused by who knew the final five and built the Temple.

Well, I think there are two factors. The first is what I already mentioned. The second is that I'm pretty positive that new-BSG is Speculative Spoiler: moving towards incorporating aspects of the "Ship of Lights" storyline from old-BSG

Oh yeah it's clearly the SOL. Considering the parallels between the old and new it makes perfect sense. The real question, though, is Spoiler: are the non-corporeal phantoms in Baltar and Six's heads Seraphs? And if so, how do their plans fit in with Starbuck insistently leading the Rag Tag Fleet to Earth? And what do the base star cylon hybrids know about the Seraphs and Earth and Starbuck's destiny (referencing the end of Razor).
Lots of questions.

I'm confused about Tigh. Was he always a Cylon or was the human Tigh replaced by Cylon Tigh as some point either before or during the show?

It would seem that we're being led to believe that if you're a cylon now, you were from the beginning. I can't say for sure if that's the case, but that seems to be the short and long of it for the time being.

That's an interesting point, in that Tigh is older than he original Cylon war, right?

Here's how I see it: Anders is a cylon. Anders probably played pyramid in college before he was playing in the majors. That means that he aged in the public eye (maybe 18-his mid 30s, seeing as how Michael Trucco, the actor who plays Anders is almost 38), which suggests that all of the final 5 can age.

I seriously want this to end with cylons and humans living together in peace. cuz i'm such a hippy.

I'm not saying that they can't age, just that it would be a major twist if there were humanoid cylons before the first cylon war even started.

I wouldn't call that a twist so much, but lets just remember...

It has all happened before, and it will all happen again.

I'm still going with my idea that there will be some sort of co-habitation/peace between humans and cylons by the time they hit earth.

Just cuz it would make sense to project the next generation of this "story" that has happened again and again if they have aging cylons/half cylons among their midsts. It would just totally slap everyone in the face that we're our own worst enemy, always have been, always will be.

Yeah bro - my bad. We nuked 7 Billion people and tried to kill off the human race, but that is water under the bridge. You last 40k and us can all be pals.

Maybe I am a hippy too. . . .Or the opposite of that.

truth be told, the cylons have had numerous opportunities to destroy the human race in entirety, but they haven't which suggests to me that they are in a position to "repent" for their flawed programming ala sharon and six, and try to integrate into the human way of life, which, in itself is admittedly flawed, but they are willing to be flawed to experience love, and parenthood.


Humans are often being portrayed as unforgiving, distrustful, and self sabotaging as a whole, and really, aren't they?

I foresee it would seem both sides have faults, and for both to reach that understanding then.

I dunno, kill off the cylons, fine, where does that leave the show? and pretend it's not a show, where does that leave the human race? where does that leave their debt to the cylons that have saved their skin numerous times? I could totally see you watching the genocide episode where the cylons caught the virus going "yay, excellent plan, kill them all!" buuuut, heh.. wow that would have made for a lame season 4 eh?

Had the humans developed the ability to wipe out the cylon back during the first war, they wouldn't have hesitated, and we saw in "Hero" that the Admiralty was more than willing to break the armistice line in order to get intel on the "cylon war machine", which meant that they were still at cold war.

I still see it as a case of two things:
1) They never stopped being at war and
2) They don't know how to be human yet.

oh yeah that episode also pretty much shows that humans started the war, the 7 bajillion whatever people lost on caprica was a retaliatory attack.

that whole episode just felt out of place to me though.

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that the breach of the armistice line happened a few short years before the genocide of the colonies. That suggests that the cylon had been building their armada of base ships for quite some time.

I miss Bulldog. Carl Lumbly's a badass.

I love playing devil's advocate for a fictitious "race" but yeah, they were machines in slavery, they were pretty much like escaped jews with superpowers who view humans in the light of the german "geet in the ovenz" era

yep, thats it, i broke the rules of debate on the internet, i compared something to hitler, fuck. I lose.

Godwin's get a pass if they're funny.

Speculative Spoiler: Yes, I think they're Seraphs, and I'm not totally sure that they're on the same side. Head Six would be a Seraph aligned with the new-BSG's version of Count Iblis (or perhaps Head Six is new-BSG's Count Iblis??). I don't remember enough specifics about Head Baltar to know whether or not I think he's aligned with new-BSG's Iblis, or new-BSG's Beings of Light. I do think that Head Leoben was most certainly aligned with new-BSG's Beings of Light. I'm not sure whether or not the form these head characters are taking has any particular meaning. On one hand, it's easy to say that Head Six and Head Baltar take those forms because of the connection each character has to the other. But why does Head Leoben take the form of Leoben to speak to Starbuck?

Spoiler: Ibus is almost certainly non-corporeal Leoben/the cylon god. I wasn't sure anyone was going to bring the count up.
How do I know it's the count? Von, tvo, three cylons! Ah, ah, ah! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/c...racter0134.gif

I dunno what's going to happen, and I've never seen the original series. All I know is, I want Baltar to eat it sooooo badly before the show ends.

So badly.

I mean really - they saved their skin from . . . wait for it . . . CYLONS that were trying to kill them!!!


Guy44Please please please don't let this show end without Baltar's head on a stick.

BTW - Funny willravel

As far as SOL is concerned, I don't remember the whole thing, but perhaps I will check it out on Hula or whatever the thing is called. I know it has most if not all the episodes from the OG BSG.

It will be interesting to see a SOL storyline that is implemented in a way we can swallow if that is the way they are going to go with Starbuck. If you go too far with it, you might as well have Lepricons and magic dragons floating around as well. I think SOL in some form though seems most likely based on where we are and the fact that there is no way Starbuck is a Cylon dammit.

Here's how it's going to go:

Towards the end of Season IV they will find Voyager and they will play the golden record, "Hello from the children of Planet Earth"

At the end of Seson IV, they will finally find earth and it will be present day earth. The series will end there and there will be a huge uproar among the loyal fans (and that ones that have recently caught up via DVD - like me)

They will make a movie - "Battle Star Galactica - Reunion" where the rag tag fleet meets the Bush Administration. (They might wonder what the hell they've been thinking) The movie will be dedicated to the usual ideas about the fact that we earthlings are not as advanced as the colonials and dealing with the morality of laying this advanced technologoy on us (light speed), but they will figure that they have to prepare us for the cylons who mean to wipe us all out once and for all. But we lowely humans have something the colonials need - NUKES. In fact, we've got lots of them.

The movie will end with the approach of the cylon fleet.

The second movie will be about the inevitable battle for Earth. Truly the mother of all battles as we show them what we can do and they show us how.

The war will of course be won by the humans.


The third movie will be Adama and Laura on Oprah.....Six and Baltar will finally hook up and have lots of hybrid kids and move to Sault Ste. Marie Ontario where Baltar will operate a hunting lodge and Six will bake muffins for the guests.

you had me at muffins.

Literally laughing out loud! Kudos to james t kirk and Shauk

Spoiler: If Helo and Athena are doing this recon for Earth mission, then who is watching Hera?

Spoiler: I always knew from the beginning that Cally would be the hard luck story in this series.

She's likely a priority to watch over so they have nannies.
Spoiler: Tory's evil. Saw that coming a mile off. What I didn't see? The death of Cally. I'm really going to miss her character. She was really relatable.

Spoiler: I really liked Cally - I'm sad to see her go, although it does make for a great plotline. Her and Tyrol always seemed like the hard luck couple: regular folks, more or less, just a working man and his wife, who unfortunately found themselves caught in the middle of the craziest, more awful situations. They were definitely proxies for the audience, as it can be hard to identify with apocalyptic machine people and interstellar fighter pilots.

All I know now is, Tory must die. A really, really painful death.

Why is it that all I seem to know about this show is which characters I want dead?

Some thoughts/bitchings/ramblings on the current state of BSG

First of all, I don't know why I didn't think of it before, but this should totally be the Cylons theme song:



Ok, on a serious note, the whole "frak" thing is getting redundant to the point of idiocy. Like I've said since the beginning of the new series, since the didn't bother to retain any of the other lingo from the old series, it's like they are pre-pubescent Ross and Monica going "Tee-Hee, we're saying a dirty word that mommy and daddy don't get mad at us about". It's the same reason I don't watch Sopranos or Deadwood. It's not that I'm a prude and I think that it should be profanity (real or made up space cussing) free, but the whole point of profanity is to convey heightened emotion. So when they use it 20+ plus times an episode it just becomes an annoyance, and IMO a laziness in the writing. It's no different than saying "blueberry" 10x in every scene. And If I wanted that much cursing, I'd buy a parrot with Tourettes.


Also, I'm getting a bit fed-up with every promo for the following weeks show saying "NEXT WEEK.....ALL....WILL......BE.....REVEALED!". Because they have been running those every episode this season, and very little has actually "been revealed".:grumpy:

Ok, last bit of complaining. I think it's weird that the Cylons call the other Cylons the "final 5". I mean, they're really only the "final 5" to be revealed to the audience. So shouln't they simply be the "other 5"? Or how about just "the others"? No, wait that's already taken. ;)


Anyway on a lighter note, I just saw this, and thought it was pretty funny, and kind of prophetic:




Speculative Spoiler: If things continue the way they are going, it'll be back to the humans vs. the toasters, like the good ol' days. Or more likely the humans and the skinjobs vs. the toasters.


Lastly, I seriously hope Lucifer makes an appearance.

I generally don't mind the whole frak thing, but it was a bit overused in the scene with Starbuck. Thing is, I wouldn't have had a problem with it if she had actually said fuck all those times, so I think it's just my own failure to suspend disbelief. That, and the FCC's fault.

I'm sad to see Cally go - I hope I get to see Nicki Clyne in something else in the future - but I'm so happy with where they're going. Tory's interaction with Baltar was obviously pivotal in episode 2, and we're starting to see where she's heading, thanks to Baltar opening her eyes (thanks to Head Baltar guiding Baltar). Which brings me to a Speculative Spoiler: I feel quite confident now that both Head Six and Head Baltar are on the same side. Both have now directed Baltar toward servicing The One True God. Head Six has obviously mentioned him many times, and Head Baltar nudged real Baltar in the direction to connect with Tory and evangelize about The One True God to her. So the next question is: what is the ultimate goal of Head Baltar and Head Six? I don't know exactly, but I'm pretty sure they're affiliated with new-BSG's version of Count Iblis. I can't think of any other explanation.

Agreed (regarding the speculation).

In today's episode:

Baltar goes apeshit

EEP! must watch.

so does anyone else hope that with the recent modifications to the centurions we will see Lucifer show up?

Eh, Lucifer is one of the less useful ideas from the old series IMO.