I felt it was kinda rushed also, I didn't like the new admiral from the first second I saw her.

Long time till January... : (

It was rushed. In the latest podcast, he mentioned cutting a whole act, which, if I understand it right, is about 15 minutes worth of material.

About damn time the real Adama showed up. And that's really all I have to say about that. :)

Interesting choice making Cain a woman. Also interesting how Cain isn't crazy, she's just a bitch. I think it made for a better story to tell.

I had a hard time watching Pegasus-Six, which is odd considering I was advocating kicking Caprica-Sharon out the airlock a few weeks ago. Maybe it was the distasteful thought of her getting gang raped against her will, I couldn't say, but there was certainly a difference.

well the Pegasus' cylon (Six) got what was coming to her. i dont know why they opted to keep her alive...if you could call that living. i would've scuttled her thru the airlock a long time ago.

I still don't like sharon but it was comical that Pegasus' men were humping a robot and proud of it.

I just want to kow, "What the hell happened to Boxy?!"

and when are we going to see a Dagget?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...y.net/~kmdavis

not to mention, when is the love affair between starbuck and Cassiopeia gonna start up?

http://sithkitten.slashcity.net/~kmd...ges/cassie.jpg

Whoa, hold on there. We dont want to move the series to HBO.

And what about Apollo's hot sister?

Plus, give us a Jack Palance cameo!!

TaDa! Apollo's Hot Sister... Athena

http://sithkitten.slashcity.net/~kmd...es/athena5.jpg

Didn't she have the hots for starbuck too? I see a great threeway coming our way! :crazy:

I wish..

Great show, but I gotta wait until January??? Come on! WTF!! What kind crap is this!

It starts again this FRIDAY yeah!!!!

Best show on television. Back this friday. I can hardly contain myself. :thumbsup:

Put me down for "Giddy with excitement" too.

Wow. I just watched the new episode.. I'm actually pretty glad that it wasn't the cliffhanger episode.. or I'd go nuts. At least I only have to wait a week.

This show seems to get better and better... anyone else watch it, what do you think?

Spoiler: I thought the other commander.. the female one.. had a better plan for assassinating Adama than he did her. They were going to lock down the whole area. Adama just wants Starbuck to go in there and shoot her in the middle of her command room. Should be interesting

Oh man what a show, my wife actually got sucked into it, I am turning her into a scifi geek like me. (got her hooked on the Firefly series) We are just dieing to see next weeks episode.)

Oh yeah totally agree Latch

Best show on television today. Hands down.
Spoiler: Well, you have to consider a few things. 1. Anyone on Battlestar Galactica from the Battlestar Pegesus will be under close observation by Battlestar security. They will have a serious fight on their hands when they strike. On the flip side, Starbuck seems to have gained the confidence of Admiral Cain, and will be able to get right through. Either way, we're in for a heck of an episode. I suspect that the Pegesus will be sacraficed taking out the cylon replication ship.

I agree and...

Spoiler: That would be quite interesting. Cain's starting acting a bit crazy and now that some of the details of what's happened have gotten out...well, it looks like she may be a bit kooky after all. Cain sacrificing her ship in her obsession to strike a hard blow against the Cylons would make for some good television. :)

I kind of hope they find some kind of 'cure' for Roslin, no matter how outlandish it may be. These past few episodes she's kind of grown on me. It be a shame to kill her off (for me anyway :) ) now that I've come around.

Spoiler: Agreed! Her conversation with Edward James Olmos..heh I mean Captian Adalma... was really, really interesting. I've liked her all along, but she really has developed into a great leader, and the actress who plays the president (Mary McDonnell) is really coming into her own on the show. I would be realyl sad to see her go, but I'd understand how it was necessary and I'd appreciate the fact that they'd be willing to kill off a very popular character for the sake of keeping the show consistant.

This thread could get relaly funny for those who don't want to spoil anything.

White Posts of doom! :lol:

Damn, I missed both I wanted to watch after seeing a commercial a while back.

When is it on(Directv midwest), do they air back episodes?

I only just descovered the remake by seeing the MiniSeries on Sky (in the UK).

I immediately went and bought the pilot and first series on Amazon to catch up before the second series starts soon.

You might have to wait for syndication after the end of the season (over 10 weeks). I'd go to iTunes and just download it.

Great premier. The shit hits the fan next week!

That's what I love about BG. When they hint at something coming next week (an assisination or two, for example), it happens NEXT WEEK. Other shows seem to hint at stuff for the coming week, something happens.. and you're still left hanging waiting for a conclusion (I'm looking at you, Lost).

Well - you gotta figure a couple things:

- Neither Cain or Adama get capped this week. Too easy. Why build up all that tension and then just drop it? They will find some common ground somehow. She can't be just an evil bitch. Her characher strikes me as more complex (which may just be because I would like to have sex with her...) Maybe she is inspired by Adama or something and sees the error of her ways. That or she gets capped...what do I know?

- The Pegasus is not long for this world. Despite the fact that the writers/producers don't show loyalty to the old show (which is great) the story is just a bit out of balance with the two battlestars somehow. Vegas has the over under at two more episodes. Any takers?

Couple random things on top of that:

- I know some of you listen to the pod casts and such. I really never have so if they explain this somehow, then whoops. I don't feel like I have a clear understanding of how the Pegasus makes it? I mean you have to figure they have networked computers on there. I understand why the Galactica made it. On that same page, those Viper Mark....the new ones whatever .... I thought they could not be flown by normal pilots (anyone except starbuck to my knowledge) without the computers assisting the flight controls and such. How are they ones from the Pegasus able to make it?

- Before she is "Lost" (I bet they cut away with the Pegasus fighting to the death without really seeing her destroyed a la the OG commander Cain) I would like to see what the Pegasus can do. I mean so far, we have not really seen a lot from the Galactica. What good is a Battlestar? Lets see it!

- What is the Cylon's plan for the Pegasus?

This show is incapable of dissapointing me. I'll plant a huge spoiler after everyone has seen the ep.

Yea the season is off to a rip-roaring start. No spoilers here but from what I can see, this show is going to keep on producing for the fans once again.

I keep watching DS9 reruns on SpikeTV and everytime I see one I think is REALLY good I notice that Ron Moore produced it.

Ahh, Mondak, good to hear your thoughts again.

And....straight to the white....Spoiler: I just knew Cain was going to get it and I knew it wasn't going to be Adama that had it done. I have to say, I'm glad she's dead, but I'm really disappointed in how it all played out. The escaped Cylon got her...how....convenient.

by the way...how creepy was it to hear Cain's XO in the CIC just laughing?

I don't know how in the world the Pegasus made it either. I could see missing the initial invasion and such, but my understanding was they'd been engaging Cylons up until they ran into Galactica. Not to mention the big battle tonight....why couldn't the Cylons just open up their visors, do their KITT impression and shut the 'new' battlestar and her vipers down? I've heard all but the last two podcasts and Moore has yet to explain it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one irritated by it. :)

Oh and...Spoiler: Adama and Roslin??? What the hell is that all about? Egads....

And who wrote the second half of that script? Good gravy.

guthmund, as usual I disagree with you although I have to admit I am surprised. I mean as a Baltar fanboy, I would think you would love his involvement in this whole thing. (by the way, if you see him, can you ask him if he is ever going to finish that damned Cylon detector or not? We still don't know what they all look like and so that COULD come in handy...) This moment has been building for many seasons. We couldn't figure it out, but this Six is who frees him from that crazy puppetmaster in his head. Interesting concept, but totally impossible. I think there might be a single guard or camera in between the brig and her quarters. Just a thought. I don't want to get all technical and stuff, but they better not keep doing crap like this (see my last post). Sloppy.

Okay - I was wrong that I did not think that they would get capped. What happened worked with what was in my head. I mean - I just could not see Adama or Cain doing it. The fact that a bullet from someone else got her works just fine. Sad I did not see her naked before she was gone.

By the way, blowing up all that cylon shit has to give us space for a few episodes of whirlyball or whatever or some space casinos or something. Starbuck has to be hankerin' for a hunk o' tail about now. I was kinda hoping she would dike out with the president before she packed it in, but alas. . .

Oh yeah - and Can a brotha get some space battles for gods sake? I mean holy crap! They take two Battlestars against gobs of Raiders, the Cylon's most important ship and Two fraking basestars and all we get is some wide angle shots from 10,000 miles away cut in between images of Apollo floating? Sheesh. I mean, I watch the show for the stories and the charachters, but gimme a couple minutes of space shoot-em-up every once in a blue moon.

I still have not seen jack shit of what a Battlestar can do? Oh yeah - and why didn't both Battlestars get hit with like 150 nukes or something?

Baltar did finish the cylon detector, and the Pegasus has their own, anyway. 6 was able to escape becuse guards had been reassigned in case of cylon boarding parties. She did have one guerd (R.I.P.). I suspect though that they did not view her as a threat anymore. Up until Baltar worked his mojo, she was comatose.
Well, go watch her as Ensign Roe for a while on the old Star Trek TNG eps. She kinda shows skin every once in a while.
Maybe she did, and we'll get to see it in a flashback later!
This episode was supposed to be about the battle between Cain and Adama. The space battle, believe it or not, is supposed to play second chicked to the assasination plot line. The space battle was a sub plot! The second sub plot is what has my attention. Spoiler: This season not only do we get to see Apollo break out of his shell, we get to see him melt down. His misadventure in space is the flint that starts the fire of his mental deterioration. I suspect he will have a break down before the season is up. Also HE WILL GET SOME STARBUCK. Trust me on that one. Will in be a halucination or reality? Who can say.
Not all base stars are armed with nukes. These were defensive shipes, and thus were simply stocked with a ton of raiders. The producers said in an interview, "This is not Star Wars...this is not Star Trek..." This series is about the people and the cylons; the space and science stuff has to take a back sea in order for the dramatic element of the show to work. That is where both Star Wars and Star Trek failed quite often.

Fanboy?!? Why...that's SLANDE----LIBEL!!! Ahhh, nevermind. What can I say..? I do like the good doctor.... :lol:

Man, if you hated that you would've really hated the original idea. Moore talks about (in the podcast which I finally got around to listening to) about how the original idea was for Gina to kill Cain in Pegasus' CIC, which meant killing everyone else in CIC as well before making her escape. So...as unbelieveable as it was that goodwoman Gina managed to kill the Admiral and escape with nary a guard or camera in sight, it could have been much, much worse.

Since we're talking about the good doctor...I thought when he swiped Six's Pyramid story and passed it off as his own to get closer to Gina...brilliant. Although, I have to wonder why he chose Gina over Six...

The way he swiped the Pyramid story helped me to understand how the whole Cylon transfer conciousness thing works I think. Tell me if I have this wrong:

So the Six who died on Caprica who worked to get the codes out of Baltar (I am guessing she died here) transfered her conciousness to the other Sixes that were made, but only those who had not yet been "deployed". So lets say that the Six aboard the Pegasus was on it before the Six who was with Baltar on Caprica died, she would not know much about Baltar (only what she knew from being a Cylon and being privy to operations or something). So that means that the Six on the Pegasus was put there after the Cylon attack.

Ok - no that doesn't work at all since the Sharon who came back with Helo knew about the Chief .... Okay anyone want to explain it to me?

Bear in mind that Sharon works differently than the other cylons, so yo coud be right. I suspect that there are various levels of Sharons. Some Sharons are cylon, some are (for all intents and purpouses) human.

That being said....TONIGHT'S EPISODE WAS AMAZING.

Spoiler: For a moment, I honestly believed that Baltar was going to abandon the Cylons and then....he went and did one of the best 180s I've ever seen. Facinating. The president is not only not dead, but CURED, and by the cylong amalgam none the less!!!! The Six from the Pegusus (corporeal Six) is now in charge of a terrorist group pushing for peace with the cylons.
I need to go lie down.

See? 'one of the best 180s he's ever seen,' Will says... A Baltar convert in the wings, eh? :D

How do you figure that? Did I miss something...? Did Gina recognize the story?

I thought Baltar using the pyramid story was kind of like..."If you're all basically the same then the things that make you (Six) are going to make her (Gina) feel the same way." I'm going to rob from Mary...to seduce the other Mary.

Either way, using Six as a baseline for any of the Cylon's behavior or abilities wouldn't work as she seems to be operating on a different playing field and playing with a different rule book. (In his head...not in his head. Canoodling in the lab unseen by any....trying to seduce Adama and seen by all.)

I'm not sure how the 'downloading Cylon consciousness' thing works at all. Both the Caprica-Sharon and the Galactica-Sharon were operating in their respective places at the same time. So, how did Caprica-Sharon know about Tyrol? Were they in contact? When Galactica-Sharon was killed did her experiences 'download' to all the Sharon duplicates...active and inactive? For that matter, how did Galactica-Sharon's memories get there? Were they still close enough for the trick to work or did Galactica-Sharon's consciousness go the Resurrection ship?

This week's episode was fantastic, by the way. Of course, that's probably tainted by my Baltar fanaticism. :lol:

Now that Roslin knows there's a connection between Baltar and a known Cylon agent... Well, it looks like Moore and company are finally setting things up for the shit to hit the fan...so to speak.

Either way, I'm with willravel....I need to go lie down :D

I can't wait until the President shoots Baltar in the effing head! That traitor piece of crap needs a bullet for frak sake.

I agree though - nice turn around.

By the way - doesn't the president now officially have cylon "cooties"?

Baltar has a very duplistic persona, and I suspect that we've not seen the last of 'good' Baltar.

Baltar saves the presidents life while the president learns of Baltar's deceit and shame. How could this possibly tuern out?

How about another way of looking at the Pyramid story as Baltars way of testing whether the 6 in his head is "real" or just psychosis.

How so?

I guess I'm just not seeing it. :confused:

Before I explain, let me see if understand something. Are all of the "online" cylons tapped into a collective conciousness ala Borg?

As I have been understanding it, all the cylons are individual entities with no nural ties to one another. But if a cylon is destroyed, it's conciousness is sucked back to home base and stuck in another copy of that model. Kinda like "respawning" in video games. Maybe I'm wrong though.

You mean all the time? All Cylons aware of all other Cylons all the time? I don't think it's ever been specifically mentioned...

That being said, I don't think so. I think once a cylon is 'in the wild' that they communicate with their 'commanders?' much the same way their human counterparts do.

Is that what you meant?

Edit: -2 Redundancy

apparently I managed to forget reading pixelbend's post and said the exact same thing...

I'm going to agree. I think it's like respawning in a video game.

Ok then I'm confused. Because the Sharon that shot Adama and the Pregnant Sharon are 2 different 'entites' that were online at the same time. And yet when pregnant Sharon got to the Galactica, she knew all about her "other self" and the Chief.

They are different models of the Sharon mold. Some of the cylons (the ones seen talking to other cylons) are able to monitor cylon activity in some way. Whether that is a hive mind, or spy transmissions is anyone's guess. Maybe they have updaters like our operating system (Windows XP is a cylon!!!), that routinely give reports. I dunno.

Helo: "This is my Sharon. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My Sharon is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My Sharon, without me is useless. Without my Sharon, I am useless...."

i wont say a lot about galactica till for a bit, but i just want to say that tonight's episode was lacking, after the great post brake season, tonights really fell flat to me.

i wont say anymore till more people have seen it

I truely enjoyed it. Apollo has been lacking in screetime, and backstory.

it was cool to see something other than the military side. its nice to be reminded that there is a civilian world.

I also found the last episode lacking.

I'm just hoping they had to do something simple to save some $$ for some big espiode that is forthcoming.


next episode looks good tho, but wtf, why arent they going to earth?

I actually really liked it. It was cool to see the seamy underbelly of the fleet, and Apollo's character needed some development -- he was just duty and honor until lately.

The whole episode felt too "neat." The whole problem is introduced, explained and solved in about 45 minutes.

I didn't really get that the black market was a threat. In fact, it wasn't until Apollo found the kids on Prometheus (and what a cheap way to do it...) that I felt the market could mean trouble.

I didn't really get the bad guy. I mean, I understand he's the bad guy because he's wearing a fancy suit and does the whole 'bad-guy' speech at the end, but he must not have been too bad a guy because this is the first time I'm hearing about him.

I liked the bit between Tigh and Apollo. I really liked Baltar's little beat with the President, and it's nice that they're fleshing Apollo out a bit more, but that's about it....

Agreed - too neat - why not give us little bites of that episode over 3 episodes so that we can decide that guy is bad.

Exactly.

I think Phalen, (I guess...that's how it showed up under CC...) could have been a pretty interesting addition to the show. Bill Duke can play a wonderful psychopath....why not let him go the distance and air out his chops or, perhaps, some other confusing, obscure acting cliche?

Well - if people REALLY like him, we have a couple Cylon slots left. . .

Yeah, but I think Six is the biggest one. Oh, you said Cylon slots. :cool: :D

definately to neat of an episode, I am glad the are exploring Appolo's past some. Has the fleet figured out where they are going yet?

Even though people type "LOL" all the time, I actually laughed out loud. Nice

So this week we have the introduction of a super-raider (Jeff George?), and the knowledge that raiders reincarnate just like the clones. Quite some info there. NOT ONLY THIS, but Starbuck and Apollo come to within an inch of going all the way. Then Starbuck shows that she is an ambrosiaholic (alcoholic). Kat is better than Starbuck because Starbuck is feeing guilty and lonely and helpless and a bit randy, and pissed. Wow. This was easily one of the 8 best episodes of BG yet. I can't wait for next week. This show is making Atlantis look like garbage, IMHO.

Pretty great episode. I liked the idea of a Cylon Red Baron.
This character Kat gets on my nerves like the Ana Lucia character does in Lost.
Not sure if it's the actress or the character yet, like I am with M. Rodriguez.

Man, i'm so far behind you guys.
I hope they give tigh some good episodes, i was really starting to despise him until adama woke up.

That is because you are a racist! (just kidding)

I liked it a lot too. For once, I got to see some freaking space battles so that was totally cool. I really would like to frak Cara now more than ever - nice scene when Apollo grabbed her ass through her undies.

They said frak a lot last night. . .

I think I heard a Caprican Kenny Rodgers singing in the background when Starbuck decided to let that cunt get the kill. I mean really - for a hot blooded / rash fighter jock - Starbuck did three things (a least) that the prototypical crazy fighter jock would NOT have done.

- When she cleared the room - which could be one in itself - instead of shitting down that broad's throat, she asked why she had a bug up her ass for her ever since she got back? That was an attempt to clear the air rather than escalate.

- She could have beat the piss out of that runt no problem. She was right about being afraid and instead allowed it - which had to be harder.

- Giving her the kill.


And the best part is that I understood it - I feel like I know the charachters - although they kinda forced it down our throats with ALL those flashbacks. I get it but I suppose they need to do some spoon feeding so they can keep it on TV.


On a side note, I can't remember a time when I was this dedicated to a TV show. Everything stops around the Mondak Estate on Fridays. I love the charachters and find myself glancing at the clock wishing it would slow down - hoping that I can have more time to spend in this world. I enjoy this very much.

death to Baltar - fraking Cylon mustash

You're becoming a bit obsessed, no? Future of the fleet, my friend, future of the fleet. :D

Excellent episode. I could have done without all the redundant flashbacks especially during the dogfight, but...you know..I guess they had to stretch the effects budget, eh?

You're right, Mondak. I kept expecting Kara to beat the living dogsnot out of her, certainly after Kat punched her in the ready room. I kept expecting the proto-typical "top gun" shit and...I was pleasantly surprised when it didn't happen.

It was an excellent episode.

By the way, anybody else find it funny when Helo started talking about Kat as a young hot shot pilot "lookin' to make her bones?" I just about choked on my orange juice.

Kara is such a wonderfuly dark/flawed character. Last nights epsiode really drove that home.

I really dig the new what that they are shoting the rapter seans. its cool to see more than just head on view of the pilot throw.

It might well be noted that the plot of this episode is a lot like and epsidoe of "Space: above and beyond"

I actually thought for a half a second that they might actually "kill off" Starbuck.

This is one of the biggest signs of a good series. There is no security blanket for the meek. There are no limits. Expect nothing. Enjoy everything. Frack yes.

I really like the new way they're shooting the scenes as well. Not just the raptor skirmishes, but all the scenes.

The one little beat that stands out is the scene in the pilots ready room with Kara drinking and watching the footage from the raptor-cam. I'm certainly no cinematographer (assuming I even spelled that right), but that was a nice bit of work.

I just wanted to be the first to say this last episode...total crap.

I thought 'Black Market' was bad. After watching the latest, I would've welcomed, nay loved another episode with that scrappy Bill Duke and his beloved band of black market banditos.

If anybody happens to read this before viewing "Sacrifice," just go outside and bang your head against the nearest tree for an hour...believe me you'll feel better in the long run.

Spoiler: Why did Lee bring the thug out with him from the bathroom? He's an intelligent guy, right? Did he not see this play coming?

Quote:

Spoiler: Hmmm...I've got a hostage. But they've got hostages...plural. I'll have to threaten my thug to show the other thugs I mean business. They'll have to up the ante and really threaten to shoot someone. I can't let that happen...I'm the good guy. Fuuuuuck....

And check...and mate.

Second, Where the fuck is Cloud 9? Is it millions of miles across the galaxy...hidden from sight. No. It's ten minutes....right over there. Load up some marines. Take 'em out for a walk. I know...instead let's leave it all up to Hawaiian shirt guy and Kara Thrace. Let's set aside the fact that the Cloud 9 Bar & Grill is impregnable as long as that stupid door is down. Why didn't they throw something under the door when Kara's cover was blown? Fuck that tear gas, flash bang, light fog thing to cover our incredibly awkward move under the door conveniently located right out there in the open. Let's just duck and shoot a whole bunch. Cover's for pussies.

And while we're on the subject of Captain Thrace.... why was she even in the story? She was there so the writers could explore (for all of about 5 minutes, by the way) that notion of Lee getting shot by friendly fire (*Gasp! I can't believe I shot Lee!). CSI had a two hour special with this as one of their main threads...it was pedantic then as well.

And perhaps the biggest disappointment...They killed Billy. As soon as Billy made himself known at that little meeting of the minds during the wireless broadcast, I knew ol' Bill was getting put down for good.

It's irritating to watch a show develop, to see the writing get better progressively each week and then see a slip-shod, formulaic, trite, piece-of-junk like this on my television set.

im still mixed about this weeks show as well. this is the 3rd episode in a row where they set yup characters to go to very drak places without moving the story as a hole forword.

I can only hope that they are going somewhere bigger with all of this.

I find it kinda, cheese? that they are moving the story forword in a two part epsides, leaving the rest of the stories to feel like filler.

guthmund: I agree. Spoiler: It seemed like they killed Billy for no reason, just to give the whole event more drama. As for Adama's ploy, that was the most transparent thing I've ever seen.
Very weak. Perhaps the next episode will be better.

I have to say I have been rather disappointed with the past three or so episodes. They just dont seem up to normal standard of the past season. The black market episode would have been OK except its resolution was far too easy and trite. I like the "Red Baron" attempt but the Space: Above and Beyond version was far (Far!!!!!) superior. I guess the problem is that when the episodes focus is on Starbuck the episode lacks focus, direction, etc. as she cant act. I have no problem with a female Starbuck just give us one who can act!

Spoiler: in the case of the body, we know that there is a dead body for the old boomer. There is no way of knowing if the fleet at large know that this was a differant boomer than the one that tryed adama.

As for Billy, in the podcasts back last season? Moore said that the guy who played billy was doing pilots for another show, so killing him may of been a way to get him out of the show <shrug>

I think this could be setting things up pretty well. Not everything is perfect within the fleet. People are growing tired of running and following without knowing a lot of what's going on. Spoiler: And with Lucy Lawless' cylon reporter character on board, who knows what kind of shit she can stir up. Tensions are heating up and all of a sudden she releases a report that could bring about a lot of infighting. That's one way it can go.

Yawn.... Just finished watching it to TIVO last night. standard hostage show... come on now move the plot a bit... please

Billy - a.k.a. Paul Campbell - has beeen ofered a lead in a pilot as I understand it. he is also in a new Al Pacino movie called 88 Minutes coming out soon. Being a past of a supporting cast can be limiting for someone who's career is beginning to blossom. While I would have chosen to stay on Battlestar, I understand his decision.

In order to get the proper context for the episode and even the season and even series over all, you need to listen to the podcasts. Spoiler: It was necessary to examine the differing persons and perspectives in the fleet. The show, while clearly not one dimentional by any measure, could end up being a character driven military drama a la Band of Brothers. In order to give a better scope of the universe we are examining, it is necessary to show many different perspectives and situations. If we were to skip the "Black Market"s or "Sacrafice"s, we could lose our perspective on the overall picture of what's left of humanity. I also suspect that these two episodes, while nothing special alone, will lend to the story later on.

I'm not sure why you 'spoiler'ed' that out...:hmm:

I agree. I think when stories like Black Market and Sacrifice are written well they add a lot to a series. You mention Band of Brothers...some of my favorite episodes from that series are episodes that didn't necessarily move the 'big picture' along. They just weren't written all that well, which is irritating because I've seen some damn good writing on this show, not to mention a damn fine acting troupe as well.

I knew there were some scheduling conflicts with Campbell last season. Kudos to him for moving up. I just don't think that excuses the piss poor way the writers did him in. Anything's got to be better than that trite crap story they stuck him in, no?

Let's hope tonight's show is a bit better...

Guilty until proven innocent.

The way I figure it, these guys have earned a little something from me. It is not just that I am suspending "rational though" just because they have done a good job in the past. In fact, I really didn't dig the episode all that much.

The thing is that "they have a plan" and so far have done a good job spinning this yarn. Looks like they needed to kill Billy. Maybe they mailed in an episode to get the job done. The thing that we didn't ask ourselves is: Why?

I think the focus can now (hopefully slowly and not bash it over our heads) turn to the loss in the president's life. I mean, the President said it herself that Billy is the closest thing to family that she has left. Well, now who will she turn to as a confidant and trusted advisor? What impact will their role have? I think those are the questions that are far more interesting than the swiss cheese holes in the script last week.

Speaking of... I agree about the whole Apollo hostage thing. There is no WAY that Apollo is that stupid. The fact that it makes me mad is becuase I know him. They did a good job developing the charachter and THAT is why it is a good show. Lets stop waiting for the show to jump the shark and see what develops.

HOLY FRACKING SHIT on the east coast just saw tonights... I won't spoil it but it just changes EVERYTHING!!!! and it is not what you expect either!!!!

WATCH IT NOW!!!!

Done and done. This episode was amazing. We're building for the season ender already.

The drama that is happening, better then the best daytime soap, but with spaceships, robots, and GUNS!!!.

Did you catch next weeks preview, that looks like it could be really good. Quite a twist isn't it.

See? It moved a step in the right direction tonight, eh?

Although I'm getting real tired of the expendable character file they've been rifling through these past weeks...Bill Duke, "Scar", Billy (still had to be a better way to do that...) and now....see? I can't even remember his frakkin' name. Commander finely-tuned watch..guy?


/off to listen to the podcast...

Have I mentioned that I like this show? Good times man.

Sometimes they make a charachter a little too stupid to fit the story. Commander finely tuned watch disobays Adama the very first oportunity to do so? That seems awfully odd to me. I mean - Adama saw something in him and had some sort of kinship with him on some level right? Was there nothing reciprocated? What did he think it would be like when he got back even if he did get his pilots back? I mean what is the negative in having a flight of Raptors go there and check it out? What was the downside to doing that versus taking the whole fraking Pegasus there?

Great episode though either way. eff Baltar.

*GASP!

I absolutely agree about the raptors. Why take the whole gorram battlestar when a couple of raptors and a handful of vipers could do the job just as well?

I also agree that it was a little too soon to pull the 'insubordinate/incompetent commanding officer over his head' bit. Cain dead, Fisk (was his name Fisk?) strangled....I can understand the necessity for story purposes, but to kill off another Pegasus CO to do it? I don't know.

Baltar running for President? I got chills....they're multiplyin'

Is the command of the Pegasus cursed? Losing three COs in one season, and now Apollo is on the chopping block. Is this a sign of things to come? hmmmm?

Also, La President Whatsername already knows (or at least strongly suspects) Baltar is a Cylon conspiritor (i.e. visions from her deathbed). If I were her, I'd have a spy follow him around and get footage of him talking and making out with himself.

eff Baltar and the Blond he rode in on.

No Podcast makes Willravel go crazy!!!!

Stupendis episode. John Heard's Commander Barry Garner did a much better job than Bill Duke's Phelan back on Black market. Note to Battlestar ppl, if you're going the b list celebrity route, be sure your b list celeb can act (and don't write him into a corner). With Apollo as the new CO of the Beast, I doubt we'll see another dead Pegasus Captian. Does this mean Starbuck will be promoted to major over both viper wings?

Ahhh Baltar. Is there a better character in modern entertainment? I doubt it. The only problem I had with it is he didn't take any steps to hide the fact that he was back stabbling President Roslin. Baltar is a coward. Frankly, either his character has grown a great deal of whevos in a very short time, which is possible considering the bomb, or this is a trick. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Spoiler: "Luckely I made the initial calculations on these figures over seven months ago when nobody seemed interested or concerned. All I had to do was factor in the numbers from the Pegasus crew, took me hardley any time at all, and I didn't mind. Look, I'll save you the bother, you neednt read the report. If we continue on our present course, withing the next 18 years the human race will simply be extinct.

and then

Spoiler: "It is true in light of recent events the president may have lost support in some quarters. I would ask the people to understand that if this is an extreme decision, we live in extreme times. The decision has been made with good faith. I, however, cannot in good conscience support it. I am so sorry, madam president, but the cylon have no understanding of the meaning of freedom. How could they? They're programmed. Machines. Every time you take away one of our freedoms, every time you restrict of curtail one of our rights, we take one step closer to being like them. As the Vice President, it's my responsibility to follow the administration. As president, I shall have no such strictures. Given the current situation, I'm afriad that I have no alternative to anounce that I am, as of now, a candidate for the presidency."

That was the quintessential Baltar moment.

Actually, to me, it sounds exactly like something he would do. Yes, he's a coward, but he's also a press whore and will say or do anything to look good on camera. I can't remember which episode it was, but the blonde cylon manipulated him into doing something he was afraid to do because he'd end up looking good on tv for it.

yee haw! Nice one.

I can't even see the actor or the complex charachter presented on the show. I see a man who sold out the human race. I see a man who pretends altruism, condemns those who act in their own self interest and secretly acts that way himself. I see the same person that our politicians are as well as most people around I run across in a given day.

I suppose it is too bad. . . I hear that he is a cool charachter.

At least guthmund and willravel get to enjoy him. . .

Spoiler: holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck holy fuck

more when people have seen it

Yeah, that was a very, very good episode. The acting in the last half dozen lines was a little weak, and the lines themselves were a touch corny, but I really felt this made up for the last few episodes.

Spoiler: I count five models (of twelve) so far: Number 6, Lucy Lawless (who calls herself number 3), the Boomer model (8?), a white male (5?) and a black male. Did I miss any?

Spoiler: The black guy is Simon.

#5 = Doral / he was a public relations officer in the mini-series aboard the Galactica when she was being decommissioned. He showed up again with a press pass to suicide bomb the battlestar later in the first season.

You missed Leoben. The first one was an arms smuggler who tried to kill Commander...excuse me Admiral Adama at weapons depot. The second Starbuck interrogated and Roslin shoved out an airlock.

So that's six of the 12 accounted for, right?

do we count the Spoiler: 2 different radars and the base star, the resurrection ship (maybe) and centurion as models? if so that makes Spoiler: 11


Spoiler: I really dig that how 6 has the visons of Baltar. That’s a great move my the writers. After a few really poor episodes this season, things are starting to pick back up as we head into the last 2 episodes.

Also, Lucy Lawless looked super hot in the tanktop

When I saw that, my first reaction was, Spoiler: "Holy shit! Baltar's a frakin' cylon!"

That was an incredible episode.

Looks like a good season ender next week

Nope. It's been discussed here already, I believe, and 12 refers to the number of skin-jobs alone.

I got a little nervous there myself. I thought I was going have to eat some serious crow. :lol:

I started yelling out loud for a second! I was so fraking loud! Oh what a crazy turn of events.

Very creative of them. In fact, I think I like the asshole Baltar who is in Six's head way better than the normal criminal Baltar.

So that being said, I am really confused. Why would the Six who got raped be at all affected by Baltar's line about buying two tickets to pyramid etc.? I mean if each cylon skin job is replicated individually, then why would Sharon #2 (preggo) know anything about the Chief and stuff? Why doesn't all the Sharons know about absolutly everything or nothing? Why is it selective. I really don't get it.

Imaginee you have a twin, or better yet a clone. You live seperate lives, but you are still the same person beyond environmental factors. Isn't it possible that you could have similar interests? As for Mommy Sharon knowing about the Cheif, I have no idea.

they area all connected in a way...sort of a hive mind?
they all are apart of a greater whole, but each model is, in itself an individual.

That is why Spoiler: sharon and 6 think that they can bring and end to the war

Yeah, I'm still confused as to how the cylon consciousness works. Because the "same model/individual consciousness" doesn't work because there are currently at least 2 "model#5's" that have the Sharon consciousness. And it's obvious that just because the models are the same as another, they do not share a collective, since there are other model#6's that knew Baltar is alive ("Gina" & "Shelley Godfrey").

Just so we're clear:
Sharon #1: Sharon who fell in love with the Cheif, shot Adalma, got assasinated
Sharon #2: Sharon who fell in love with Heilo, was pregnate and is now pretty pissed
Six #1 (a.k.a. 'Caprica Six'): Baltars lover, infatuated and posessed by Baltar
Six #2: showed up on Galatctica in episode "Six Degrees of Separation" (season 1, episode 7), accoused Baltar of treason
Six #3: captured and tortured (and raped) by the Pegasus crew, rescued by Baltar, assasinated Admiral, free with a nuke

I suspect that the reason the experiences of Sharon #1 and Six #1 were not downloaded into the community is to avoid just what's happening now...descent. Althought I'm still not certian of the hierarchy of the cylons, besides the clones being over the drones, I do know that there are obviously some clones that are higher on the command structure than others. There is obviously delegation of responsibilities. Unless we're talking about a borg-like collective, I suspect that some cylons are in charge. Maybe the true leaders will be satanic aliens a la Battlestar 1979-1980.

That was the best episode I've seen in a long long time.

A Six having Baltar was awesome. He was great too, first time I've really liked the character.. and he was imaginary. It's also great to see that the Cylons aren't perfect either, and have problems among each other.


Just, wow.. I love it.

(also, random prediction.. peace-loving cylons and/or cylon-human hybrids will be what end up on the Earth, taking it over. This happened many many many (thousands, millions? of) years ago.. and it's what we are now. We just don't actually realize it.

The more I think about it, the more confusing it seems to get, eh?

I have a little theory...please bear with me..

What if there are base-models of the 12 skin-jobs? Each individual model has an identical pool of memories that it's 'equipped' with before they go...do their individual thing.

It's fairly obvious that the Cylons in the fleet aren't communicating with their Cylon overlords. Otherwise the Cylons would just keep hammering the shit out of them, right? The Cylons needed to bug a ship just follow the fleet around, remember? So, all Cylon agents in the fleet are operatives in the wind.

So let me bring all that together...

So...each version of Sharon would start out as the 'Raptor pilot, Mom gave her the stupid elephants, Chief is her boyfriend (his picture is in her apartment on Caprica....)' base model. So all the Sharons know the backstory. All the Sharons know about the Chief, and all the Sharons know the inside-outs of the Colonial Military. Once they get out 'in the wind' they have no way of sharing their experiences with their identical models until they die, where then their individual consciousness would be added to the pool particular to their model. And maybe even not then, right? They keep talking about 'boxing' Boomer and Caprica-Six, so why on Earth would you want their memories added to the pristine pool? You'd just corrupt all future 'Sharons.'

So....Boomer would have no way of knowing about preggo-Sharon's love affair with Helo, the child, the experience on the Pegasus, none of it until preggo-Sharon dies, her memories added to the pool, or she's 'reborn' and they swap life stories. Likewise, Helo's-Sharon would have no memories of shooting Adama, trying to blow up Galactica or being killed during her perp walk by Callie.

Does that make any sense at all?

What I really didn't understand is the time line. 36 hours until a new D'anna Biers can be reborn and tell them about the events in the garage. Ten weeks for a new Boomer and Nine months?! for a new Caprica-Six.

The only thing I could guess if that's the case is that they are getting "better" at it.

with 6 there may of been a delay b/c so many cylons where killed in the genocide

with boomer, they delay of moving data across such a massive distance?

Tonight is the night...90 minute part one of the season ender!!!!!!
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

are you sure it is 90?
my onscreen guide says its just an hour

Oops, must be next weeks' that's 90 minutes.