That would all be acceptable.....if they didn't pull all that destiny crap. I don't have a problem with them killing off Starbuck, but to spend so much time on Starbuck being special and having a destiny, only to say that her destiny was essentially to die...that's just stupid.

Ditto:shakehead:

Her death could carry with it a deeply significant meaning we're simply not aware of yet.

After listenening to the podcast, and thinking more about the episode, I've come to like it. It really sucks that she died, but its probably one of the hardest hitting dramatic beats they have ever played. It really changed the shape of Battlestar. Her death had this emotional backing and sense of realism that I've never felt from any other show.

It is arguable that her death was stupid and meaningless, but I think it made sense in the end. This episode raised Battlestar to an entirely new level.

SecretMethod70 hit it right on the head. This thing is either a trick, which seems insulting or she is dead and accepting her destiny to be. . . dead, which is pointless.

A few months back I figured Anders or Dee or both were going to die. Guess I missed that one.

I thought that Starbuck would go back to see her mom on her deathbed and that cold bitch would say something like, "see, I always knew you were a quitter! Couldn't stay away could you?"

I enjoyed the part when Starbuck said "you're not Leoben" and he says "never said I was" Is there any possibility that this is what is in Baltar/Sixes head?

Oh and willravel, I figure Apollo might go for a threesome with Dee and Anders. Seems like that kind of CAG to me.

I agree. They have made too much of Starbuck to just take her out of the story line like that. So she's either a skin job or she ejected and will have an adventure story on the face of the gas planet or she'll wake up in her bunk and realize it was all a dream.

She can't be dead! I refuse to believe it.

Anyone thinking about the wormhole type thing? I heard the word being thrown around and thought....wormole to Earth? Just a thought.

I'm crossing my fingers for her resurrection by the Cylons, but my money is on making cameos as Apollo's sassy consience.

I''m still caught on the part when Kara, while laughing, said "You're not Leoben", to which he responded "I never said I was. I'm here to help prepare you to pass through the next door."

I like the wormhole idea.

I like this idea the best of all. It would certainly fit into a "destiny," to be the one to lead them to Earth. It would make sense of the fact that she "knew" about the symbol in the Temple which is part of the puzzle leading to Earth.

I also think it's very likely that we may be seeing the Ship of Lights sometime in the future.

Katee Sackhoff did a radio interview where she stated pretty unequivocally that she was done with the show as far as she knew.

Alright...moving on from my dislike for the previous episode (first one I truly didn't like in fact), I'm ready to give my thoughts on the future.

***SORRY I FORGOT THIS INITIALLY, IF I END UP BEING RIGHT THESE MAY BE SPOILERS ;)****

The wormhole idea isn't terrible, but I don't think that's where the show is going. First, because for some reason I don't imagine wormholes as a part of BSG, and second, because the idea of a wormhole that sucks her out of her cockpit but leaves the ship to blow up is just silly. (Then again, it's about as silly as the Galactica outrunning a supernova explosion, which I quickly forgave.)

Next up, there's the possibility that Starbuck is a cylon. Not terrible, but certainly not great. Battlestar Wiki is down right now, but I'm pretty sure there are some facts of her character which exclude the possibility of her being a cylon.

Of course, there's also the possibility that she's just plain dead. This is the lamest possibility of them all.

Last, and the one I think (and hope) is most likely, is that RDM and DE are bringing in yet another plot line from the original series. Namely, the Ship of Lights, Seraphs, and Starbuck. From Wikipedia:Obviously, the majority of the details would be changed, but my personal theory is that the "Head" characters (Six, Baltar, Leoben) are not actually those characters at all, but the Seraphs (aka The Lords of Kobol) speaking through those characters. Head Leoben, then, was a Seraph guiding Starbuck "to the space between life and death," where the Seraphs (or whatever they may be called in the new series) reside.

I think it's almost necessary that the Ship of Lights or some similar idea be brought into the series if they're going to explain some of the things that have happened, such as the two groups converging on the same planet, at the same time, as the star is about to go supernova.

Damn it, I thought I was the only one to think of that. I was worried ono was going to spill the beans...but there ya go smeth. You've presented what I consider the greatest possibility from the perspective of someone who has enjoyed both series.

Behold the POWER of the TFP. Gosh darn it smeth and will. You guys are too cool for school!

I am in on a few things for sure - you don't spend all the endless hours with Starbuck and her self-destructive nature just to kill her off for the sake of doing so. These guys are too smart for that and we are too invested. I mean chuck the whole show if that is "it". Plus - I can't say the nova was the same as the thing in the temple nor was the storm or whatever it was she perished in. Maybe we will see some more of that symbol.

Either way - this thread has been hopping no thanks to me (no one bites on my rants - I have to figure out why one of these days). You two have been on fire.

Oh yeah - Katie saying she is done with the show as far as she knows means NOTHING. I mean what would YOU tell her to say if you were the writers?

Edited:thumbsup:

http://www.cortandfatboy.com/index.php?id=489

This site has a short podcast interview with Katee Sackhoff that is a bit interesting. Apparently she's auditioning for other projects :( But apparently BSG does have the "option" of calling her back at some point.

On an unrelated note, Katee sounds pretty awesome. Love the road rage :lol: (she's doing the interview by phone while driving)

Thanks Secret, that was the interview I was referring to.

***SPOILER (if you haven't seen the March 11 episode)***



This is gonna be good.

I just went on a BSG overload this week. right after the episode when starbuck's ship explodes, will and ch'i were talking about it in the shoutbox and eventually they convinced me to check it out. So i watched the miniseries, then season1, 2, and I just finished season3 today.(last night's episode).

I must say this is a great show! wow. And it's really boring since Starbuck left the show. (not boring like that but kinda not funny anymore? )

Eitherway, what do you think the music means? only tigh and anders could hear it. they were close to starbuck. I wonder how that has to do with anything? I'm suprised they brought back the president's cancer again. if it's fresh and new, couldn't they just cure it the regular way? Although I'm sure the allucinations will bring something else about earth. plus now she'll be the dying leader again which makes the story make sense again.

I guess we can't call Lee 'Apollo' anymore.

The music seems to be important, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it means.

I think Baltar should plead insanity.

I still think Baltar has some huge part to play in their finding earth and forcing the cylons to leave them alone for good.

I don't know what the Music is either, but it's a calling card if you're a romantic or a Transmission if you're paranoid.

I suspect it has to do with how the Cylons are tracking the fleet and is tied to the psychic bond between Six and Baltar. It was the one question left unanswered by Six during Ol' Patch-Eye's interrogation, and that's when he first heard the music, no?. It's his storyline to resolve and figuring out the connection can be his redemption.

Tigh = Cylon

That is why the Zena-lon said she was "so sorry she did not know" when she saw the face of one of the remaining 5.

Ok - that would be weak since he grew old with Adama and I am not convinced that they age.

Either way - this trial BS makes it official. . . the show has jumped the Shark. Apollo would not act this way two years after humanity was almost wiped out and what - a couple months after escaping New Caprica and being Captain of the Pegasus. BS.

I dunno about that. For one, Apollo has always been the idealist. That's exactly what he's doing here, and it especially fits in with the added knowledge that he had wanted to follow in his grandfather's footsteps. On top of that, he just suffered a huge loss which can make someone do all sorts of crazy things.

I'm enjoying the trial personally. Of course, I can see why a Baltar hater might not enjoy it so much ;) :lol:

As an aside, I just recently discovered this podcast and think it's pretty good. If you're into podcasts and/or listening to people talk about BSG, you might want to check it out :)

http://www.digg.com/podcasts/Galactica_Watercooler_3

Apollo never forgave his father for what happened to Zach. He never forgave his father for leaving him and Zach with an alcoholic mother. He has been under the command of his father, who he rarely agrees with, for years. This was inevitable. Lee had grown up resenting his father and idolizing his grandfather, the great civil rights lawyer Spoiler: who defended the cylons. All it took was a gentle nudge from everyone's favorite kleptomaniac, Romo Lampkin. It makes perfect sense.

It should be noted that the "spoiler" in the above post is in reference to the general premise of the potential spin-off series, Caprica. I point this out because it's a point worth reading and I think it'd be a shame if Mondak or anyone else didn't read it because they thought it was a BSG spoiler.

I'm frustrated that Lee is acting like a teenage boy. Other than that, I am enjoying the season.

So I was thinking about this whole situation with Apollo and, while I don't think his actions are necessarily out of character, I can definitely agree that the writers could have done a better job in working up to this. It's not the fact he's going against his father again that bothers me, nor is it the fact he felt compelled to hand in his wings in favor of his idealism. The problem comes in that it happened so fast, particularly considering who he's defending.

I could believe all of this happening in a matter of 3 episodes were the issue something like the worker's rights issue that Tyrol was dealing with. But this isn't worker's rights, this is Baltar. While I do think the general concept of Apollo believing in Baltar's right to a fair trial is believable (as well as his belief that if he doesn't stand in and help guarantee it, no one will), the storyline would have benefited from a more gradual transformation.

Nonetheless, I'm definitely not ready to say the show has jumped the shark. While I think season 3 has been the weakest, I don't think the show is unrecoverable by any means. (Of course, if they're going in the direction I think they're going, plenty of people might disagree with me.) Most importantly, I think the problems lately have a lot more to do with execution than general plot.

So, yes, these last 3 episodes certainly could have benefited from a little more past development. It's easy to have really high expectations for a show like BSG, but I think it's important to also remember that it is made by people, and that means there will be problems, including occasional out-of-character moments or story lines. I'm absolutely positive that if I wanted to I could watch any of the other shows I enjoy and find the same problems at some point.

And that's how I got myself to be open to enjoying BSG again after the low point of Maelstrom. It was a matter of accepting the episodes for what they are and moving on from them. The execution of Maelstrom still upsets me, but what's done is done - much like Apollo's sudden shift in character, which could have been handled more believably. Once those things are chalked up to human error and accepted, I think the show is on a definite upswing. It's just that the transition was less-than-perfect. Let's hope they learn from these mistakes for season 4.

Well I am not sure if I am really looking forward too the end of the season show. Not because I'll miss watching the show, I'm just not sure what direction they are going. End of the season shows ares upposed to wrap up this year and pose a deep thought provoking ideas to ponder in the off season. The end of the last two seasons did that for me. Things seem so jumbled now, and any groundwork for a finale and next season seems so confusing to me. The characters ALL seem in transition. (sigh) we shall see tonight.

Now more than ever I am convinced this is the best show on television, possibly one of the best works of fiction in the past 30 years.

You aren't going to believe it. I have to go piss.

Oh snap.

Wow. . .

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha...the Sci Fi board is crashing!!!!

Ok. . . I am done yelling at the TV for now.


Dicks



2008? What the hell is that Shatner?



Oh yeah and who is the 5th anyway?



I hate this show. Can't wait for 2008. Jerks

Yeah Frak, I can't believe it. I have a pretty good guess as to number 5


But what is with 2008, I can't believe the season is over. Not Fair

I say that the Sci Fi channel should stop making crappy made for TV movies and pay for a 30 episode season.

I second that motion, can we have a vote.

I don't know which I liked better, Lee's long speech, or Tigh's short one.
Both were nice writing.

Frak, a whole year!?!

Worst finale ever. Just a reflection of how far this show has fallen. Lee's speech was nice but it couldnt save an entire season of blah and drivel. The producers and writers certainly took a page from The X-Files book when they learned how to fill up a season with nothing. I doubt highly I continue watching this show come the new season

if you're reading this thread, expect spoilers:

as soon as the ship apeared on apollo's radar, i knew it was starbuck. I'd like to know what the fuck happened in the last few mins. the whole trial was well done and it was something that had to be done i think to let baltar go.

... more to come. thunderstorm. might loose power. back tomorrow.

I have to agree, this show was fantastic at first. Now it does seem like the X-files or one of the sci-fi channels terrible movies. Is everyone going to end up being be a cylon??? P-lease!

There can only be 12 cylons, so we only have 1 to go.

Did anyone else see the ship of lights at the end in space? I could have sworn I saw something during the second airing.

I didn't delete if from TiVo yet. I will check, but I will say that Starbuck's Viper looked awfully white. . .

BTW, didn't she die like 30 minutes ago in BSG time?

It had to be several days, because of the trial, right?

So are the cylons channeling Bob Dylan or is the Earth they are searching for our Earth? Maybe they were picking up an oldies station.

Unless the writers change the story. Maybe we'll see some new models....hmmmm.....12 new models would be quite the spin.:)

No, it was several day to several weeks.
The seraphs weren't cylons.

I'm still not sure Starbuck is corporeal yet. She might just be inside Apollo's brain for the moment, a la Six in Baltar's.

I'd not mind seeing Starbuck in the red dress...

But didn't they see her on dradous (sp)

Bleh. Are you kidding? The show was OK in the beginning. So many characters underdeveloped, and a cliche robot storyline made it middle of the road. But now its easily one of the best shows on TV.

So Starbuck is the 5th cylon right?

As far as the song All along the watchtower I think that was programmed into them when they were first created so that when the get near earth they could figure it out. (all to fulfill some sort of destiny)

does anyone know where I can re listen to the new one they used in the show? I checked youtube and nothing. Though interestingly there was the original with a montage of the early scenes when they escaped new caprica. EVeryone's calling him a cylon, pretty funny. (just do a search for BSG and all along the watchtower)

I say madame president due to the link she has with the other two cylons

We don't know who the fifth cylon is. It could be Laura, it could be Kara. It could be anyone.

The full version will be released with the BSG season 3 OST. I'll let you know when I get it.

There are now two half breed children. The Chief's son, and Halo's Daughter. No wonder he is sickly also.

I'm not sure they're cylons. I mean, how the fuck did they get there in the 1st place? the others don't even know about them. it's like there was a 3rd party controlling everyone. earthlings maybe?

I took a look at it. It seems that it is just the way they drew the stars or whatever in the cloud thing (nebula?). I don't think it is a / the ship of light. They are sort of stretched Hypocycloid shapes if I am looking at the right thing right?

When I said 30 minutes - I was kidding. I was just saying, if you are killing her off to bring her back, do it when we least expect it. Everyone knew they would see her out there as soon as you saw the unknown ship on the dradis (if not before). I mean just think about when the Russian from the Pine Barrons comes back to kill off Christopher Maltosanti outside the Bada Bing in Season 7. Now THAT is how it is done.

/stop me before i sub-reference again. . .
//yes I quoted myself - sue me it was easier. . .

I think that, in many cases, people destroy a thing with their expectations.

Christopher Maltosanti is dead? The Russian is alive? %#$^%$@!

Seriously - that's a major spoiler for me!

Easy guys. I made it up. Just saying - the Russian is out of everyone's minds now and to have him come back all of a sudden would be crazy. That would have been a cooler way to handle Starbuck than having her "die" for just a little while and then come right back. Sheesh.

Ok - now what if it HAPPENS!!!! Then I would be too cool for school!

Maybe I'm not reading all the posts or I'm not going to the same sites as you guys are, but we're all going on the notion that those four people (Tigh, Chief, Tory and Anders) are cylons? 'Cause from what I saw, the only person who said it out loud was Chief.

Let's take Tigh as the best example. Do Cylons age? How is it possible that Adama has known this guy for some twenty years? I thought the Cylons looked more like the OG Cylons at that time. When they went away, after the Cylon war, they created the human looking 12. Tigh doesn't fit.

Every radio signal, every TV signal, we've ever sent is out there in the cosmos right now. (Remember "Contact?" How the initial message from the other world comes wrapped in the transmission they recieved from us? Footage of Hitler?) Is it possible that the Gallactica resonates this signal, "All Along the Watchtower" and that these four folks are the only one who hear it? Or at least are the only ones to admit it? That it's a radio signal from earth?

Anyway, that's how I'm going to get through the next several months till I get a new episode. Chief is not a cylon and Starbuck is not dead. I'll just keep repeating it over and over.

Chief is not a cylon and Starbuck is not dead.
Chief is not a cylon and Starbuck is not dead.
Chief is not a cylon and Starbuck is not dead. :)

uhh? what's this Russian thing? did i miss something?

The other 5 cylons clearly are different than the 7, so we can't say for sure they can't age. We don't know if they are even from after the war. There seems to be a connection between the final 5 and Earth, so they could be 3000 years old. It could be that the cylons were built also by the 13th colony, or they could have time travel.

I do like the idea that the 4 are actually earthlings, and they are close enough to earth to pick up old radio transmissions and they are remembering their childhood on Earth. That would be very interesting.

I have a completely unsubstantiated theory: The four are prophets of some sort--as is Baltar. Remember how Chief was acting in the temple?

Plus, there's waaaaay too much story to pump to reveal 4 of the 5 remaining Cylons all at once. And to "wake" them up with a Jimi Hendriks song?!? It's a great song, but it doesn't transcend time and space, eh?

I would be disappointed if they played 4 of the 5 cylon cards like that in one short hand.

I'm with Sultana - not Cylons, but different.

wow have never thought about it that way, but you might be on to something there Sultana

definitely. the 5 remaining cylons are special and to have random characters show up as the remaing 5s is just lame. Chief, tigh are special enough but anders and the girl are new and not that special. why would they be random like that?

also, I'm pretty interested in knowing how starbuck survived the explosion and where she was for the last few weeks. did she find a house or something where there was food? washroom? bed? ...

and why are the cylons traveling with starbuck in the last scene?

Oh it it going to be a long wait 'til 2008. I remain optimistic for season 4. I still can't figure out what got resolved at the end of season three other than Baltar. Which sort of puts us right back to the beginning with him. The worst humanity has to offer cloaked in the guise of intelligence.

Despite Moore's insistence to the contrary, I really don't think that Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory are cylons. I also like the idea that they're earthlings. They could be more sensitive to picking up an earth radio wave in some way, through dental fillings or whatever, and it would explain why they feel a sense of memories of their childhood when they hear an earth song. Perhaps the Seraphs (god like beings in the original series) are aware of both the earthlings and the colonies and want to help reunite them. So, the Seraphs kidnap five earth children and bring them to the colonies and guide their lives to end up in strategic positions to help bring the colonies to earth. We know where the four revealed "cylons" end up, and it fits for Starbuck as well. Her mother knows she's "special," perhaps she knows about the Seraph's and their plan as she wwould have been given Starbuck as a young child. Since the Seraphs are watching over the five earthlings, they saved Starbuck right before her ship exploded and brought her to earth, and now brought her back to the fleet to guide them there as well. So the "different-ness" that Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory are experiencing is their earthling genes, not being cylons.

Now if the Seraphs are brought in, there's a Count Iblis figure to introduce as well. (an evil Seraph form the original series) Perhaps he didn't agree with the other Seraphs that the colonies should be reunited, so he influenced the creation of the cylons to interfere with that plan. The "one god" that they follow is really him. He would know about these "five earthlings," but perhaps he doesn't know who they are. Thus the cylons know there are five "special models," but don't know what they look likeor anything about them. Because those five aren't actually cylons at all, but earthlings.

Also, the more religious members of the colonies somehow tap into the Seraphs consciousness or whatever and come up with prophecies and religious documents based on the pieces they gather. Therefore the colonies have many gods, i.e. the Seraphs, and it would make sense that they would have five priests, being the five earthlings who will lead them home, and prophecies which also help lead them home as well.

Or I'm thinking way too hard about this. :lol:

Ono - nice work there...

I'm going to back way up and point out that the only evidence from the show that those 4 are cylons is them jumping to a conclusion. "Different" doesn't have to equal cylon. It's just the only thing those guys can think of.

I'm liking your theory of the 5 cylons being earthlings more and more ono... It doesn't make sense for them to be real cylons and for the original 7 skinjobs to not know more about them. I mean, cylon history is what, 40-60 years at this point?

*does happy dance at finding the BSG thread*

I, too, refuse to look at Chief, Colonel Tigh, Tori and Anders as cylons. It's weird. I read the interview with Moore (?) and could see - sorta - why they'd say these people are cylons but I still like the prophet theory better.

Though, each theory has holes in it IMO. Cause Starbuck is a prophet and Baltar is a what? There's only 5 prophets and 5 final cylons. Oh - just realized this. Does Madam President count as a prophet already?

edit: just saw uber's post. I remember that in the interview these four are noted as being fundamentally different cylons.... maybe they are half earthling half cylon? :paranoid:

Bear McCreary's blog entry for the finale indicates that it's unlikely that the four revealed cylons are picking up any radio waves from earth.I'm guessing that the final five being different has a lot to do with something Leoben said in season 1, episode 8, "Flesh and Bone." Rather than saying cylons were created by humans, he insisted that god created the cylons. Maybe that's more true than we realize. (I just happened to come across that today)

So as I saw it there were three reveals in the finale.

1. Baltar's verdict.
2. New Cylons.
3. Kara's return.

The first reveal was fine, and unsurprising. A guilty verdict would have meant the death of the character, and they're not going to do that. The second reveal was the most interesting, especially, as japhyryder pointed out, the chief because of his offspring. The final reveal was garbage.

It was timid to bring her back. Even if she's just a voice in Lee's head like the Six/Baltar connection...ugh, god. I find it so frustrating.

I thought Starbuck's return was completely obvious. I mean, that was basically the lamest death - there wasn't really even any emotional payoff for any of the other characters. If you're gonna get rid of a major character like Starbuck, you do it in a way that makes it worth it - not completely packaged from start to finish within 2 episodes.

I would have been more satisfied by Starbuck's return had Maelstrom been a better episode. As it stands, it was rather predictable - and not in the "I know this is going to happen, and I can't wait to see it" way.

That said, I don't think her return in and of itself is a bad decision. The arc was just executed quite poorly. Aside for that, I really enjoyed the finale.

As a side note, I was sooooooooooooo happy to see Baltar immediately slip right back into his overconfident ways after being acquitted :D

You have to give it to Ron Moore and BSG, they know how to do season finales. Other shows like Lost and Grey's Anatomy could learn a lot from BSG. My god the message boards all over the internet lit up after that episode.

First off, Onodrim, very thought provoking post. I really like the way you are heading there. That kind of thing is what makes the show so fun. You can really talk about possibilities and take them in lots of directions. That being said - I kind of want them to be cylons. I think they are based on their reactions and I don't know any way around it, but either way, nice theory.

As an add in, I paticularly liked how Anders was all "stay the frak away from me!" to the gal he was banging a few hours earlier because she is a Cylon. Nice.

Also, it was interesting to see the trainee pilot's little heart break when she saw Anders with her. Poor thing.

On to the real reason for my post:


While this is already done, there is a flaw that I thought interesting. I have found in life that there is no such thing as a contradiction, only a problem with your premises. A few episodes earlier Moore made it painfully clear that a human could survive being tossed out an airlock. Imagine for a second how we would be reacting to a Cylon ship jumping in as the airlock opened, grabbing Baltar and jumping out! We would have all gone collectively NUTS!!! I expect no less from Moore, although in the end, I agree that the path he took was pretty predictable. 1 and 3 were scripted as soon as Starbuck "died" and Baltar was "recaptured".

As for Baltar's future: what do they say about a Woman's scorn? I think Baltar will piss off Caprica Six (in custody) and that will not go well. She may become an ally to the fleet much like Athena has and turn on that traitorous bastard.

I still can't get my head around what I consider to be the most important part of the episode: Laura, Athena, and Caprica Six were sharing the visions. Christ, that's unbelievable. We all knew that Six, Hera and the president had a connection to this vision and the ultimate destiny of the hybrid, but this is taking things in a new direction. This is giving corporeal meaning to the non-corporeal people and environments.

Saw this in a Fark thread today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7da3iwxMUjU

Aside from being a pretty cool edit (that's the most exciting episode of BSG ever) the fact that the poster chose the right music four months ago is amusing.

Mondak: that's true, although I think it would have been even more hacky than Kara's return. For them to jump in at the exact moment would indicate that the Cylons know where the fleet is at any given moment.

Will, that's true, and we're all overlooking that. I frankly don't know what to make of it at all.

One thing that struck me about the four is that they are all "supports" to main chars: Tigh to Adama, Anders to Starbuck, Tory to Laura...Chief to? Hmm. Anyone?

So have we decided that Leoben was lying when he told Roslyn that Adama is a cylon?

I think he was talking about Lee, and I still think he could be right. If Starbuck is a non-corporeal construct like the Baltar and Caprica Six constructs, then Lee may very well be a cylon, though that calls into question the parenting abilities of Bill's ex wife (not noticing your son has been replaced by a cybernetic life form is right up there with alcoholism).

Will... I'm willing to bet Starbuck is real. Imaginary Starbuck I can buy.... imaginary Viper and imaginary DRADIS contact I can't buy that RDM would do that.

The 4 revealed ones were all key resistance members on New Caprica. That's the only thing they all have in common. Now if they are Cylons that would be even more interesting as far as that goes... why did they end up leading the resistance?

Well non-corporeal Six shagged Baltar more than a few times. I'd be willing to bet fooling the mind into thinking it can see a DRADIS contact (that no one else noticed) would be simple enough.

Here's my thought.

Starbuck is now on her second body, having underwent a totally corporeal ressurection.

The President is sharing dreams with Hera and Six because she has some hybrid DNA in her body now, due to the cancer "cure".

The four revealed are all cylons.

Terrible Bob Dylan cover.
 

I have to vent in this episode, that the cover of Bob Dylan that they used was simply awful. Since the show has a lot of it's feel based on music, I think this bad cover really detracted away from the episode right at the key point of revealing the cylons. I just started groaning at that point and gave up on the show.

What was the point of season 3?

I thought it was a great cover :( Fit quite well in the BSG universe. To each their own though: music is certainly a different experience for everyone. :)

As for the point of season 3? Episodes 1-5 (counting the 2 hour premier as episodes 1 and 2), 11-12, and 17-20 (although 17, "Maelstrom," wasn't a particularly great episode). The other episodes weren't generally all that bad - in fact, I quite enjoyed a few of them - but having so many such episodes in the season really dragged down the momentum. I would have preferred to see them spend the first half of the season on New Caprica - plenty of storylines available there - and then quickly move on to Eye of Jupiter and Rapture in the middle just like it was, followed by Collaborators and then a couple of the more character-based episodes leading the the arc of the last 4. Would obviously require some tweaking to make the episodes fit together that way, but I think the pace would have been much more steady overall.

Either way, what's done is done. I'm looking forward to season 4 :)

SecretMethod70: the only problem with staying on new caprica for half the season is Galactica and Pegasus were somewhere else. doing a storyline on them would be freaking boring all this time. I'm glad they did this way because it had just the right amount of action and not too much galactica/pegasus boringness.

While the people were struggling New Caprica, Galactica/Pegasus would be struggling with the debate over whether or not to return and attempt a rescue while also piecing together the puzzle to find earth. For example, Galactica/Pegasus would be discovering the clue to go in the direction of the mid-season planet, which would then make it nice and convenient to quickly go from the rescue to the Eye of Jupiter/Rapture storyline. While the Galactica/Pegasus storylines wouldn't be full of action, they'd be full of at least no less intrigue than we were already given between the rescue and Eye of Jupiter. Alongside that, there would be much MORE action with New Caprica, as opposed to the lack of action that followed the New Caprica storyline. I'm not one to complain about lack of battles and such, but I do think that this season lacked urgency.

Just a thought. Certainly not perfect, and most definitely irrelevant at this point :p

Hey Secret Method - good to converse again.

During the Occupation/Exodus, the Admiral and Commander would have been thinking:

1. Are there sufficient human beings in the current fleet that would allow us to just bug off?

2. Since the answer to no 1 is no, then what can we do in order to get the humans off of NC and back into the fleet?

3. Thus, the mega battle over NC.

After this, the fleet seemed to be in a lull, just trying to get their bearings. But as we were allowed to view life on board the Cylon Basestars, we could see that they are also conflicted as to the direction they should go.

I'd like to say, however, that Helo is not exonerated for blowing the chance to end the Cylon threat (regardless of Athena's feelings.) Helo became a traitor by not allowing the virus plan to unfold as ordered.

They'd not have cylon probs now if he'd done it! Down with Helo, I say! :thumbsup:

Holy crap.

I've spent the last couple months catching up on this show, and I just finished watching the Season 3 finale. I loved it. The whole show's been a blast... this season had some slow points, but it ended really well I thought. Lee's speech was great... The outcome of the trial seemed expected, but I at least thought it was well executed.

I had no doubt that Starbuck was coming back, so that wasn't a big surprise. Her death was definitely rushed, it seemed obvious that we hadn't seen the last of her. The jury's still out on whether her return was well-done. We'll have to see where they go with it. Also: Lee's encounter with Starbuck was eerily similar to what Starbuck experienced right before her ship blew up. Coincidence?

But my favorite aspect was the music they kept hearing. Could you guys tell what song it was, before the four of them started to sing it? I remember Ty saying it the lyric at some point, but I didn't catch on to it being the Watchtower song they were hearing until we saw the montage of them singing it.... which creeped the hell outta me.

I was pissed about Gaeta lying on the stand. I had a lot of respect for the guy doing what he could in the rebellion, and standing his ground when Ty and co. were prosecuting the traitors. But then for him to stab Baltar in the back like that was wrong, regardless of one's feelings for the arrogant ass. Was he coerced to lie?


And.... 2008? That's a joke, right? :sad:

Unfortunately not...

But I hear that there is going to be a Pegasus Mini series about the time between the fall and when the two ship meet up. That is supposed to be this fall. I could be wrong, as my wife say that wouldn't be the first time.

All Along the Watchtower, by Bob Dylan

I prefer the Hendrix version.

I too prefer either the Hendrix or Dylan versions, of course, but the podcast (by Ronald Moore) for that episode explained it pretty well for me - he basically said that according to the mythos they're developing, it makes sense for there to be a song 'All Along The Watchtower' identical to the one we have...but for Hendrix (or Dylan) to be singing it wouldn't make sense, since there wouldn't be a Hendrix or Dylan in the BSG universe.

Ok, it's a bit of a stretch, but at least it's an explanation.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/pod

People may be aware, but just in case...

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=41457

Edward James Olmos scared people by saying the fourth season was the final one, but David Eick said that was not the case. We've got Razor in the fall to tide us over until next year.

Do you watch Lost? :oogle:

Apparently They changed their minds.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...eut/index.html

Good!! I'm happy.
I'm sick of shows with no end. 24 season 10? simpsons season 35? kill it while it's good and fresh.

important news! check this one out!
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its a space shooter based on the new bsg! right now, it's just a demo but it's free and it runs on the freespace2 engine. check it out! i'm currently downloading it but i saw the gameplay footage and it looks awesome!

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/06/01/mo...as-future-and/

It's bittersweet. I know that something this amazing needs to end on it's own terms, but I'll miss it terribly. It feels like a divorce.