Yes, but it would be very interesting to see what kind of roll they would give him in the new series. They've done a wonderful job with everything else. And given the current cluster fuck with the cylons, I think he could prove to be really interesting this time around.

Bishop Giaus "Magic" Baltar.

That is all.

NEWS!!

Arts Central here is finally (finally!) going to start airing Battlestar Galactica on May 13th. They will first air the mini-series, followed by season one... a few years late but bloody well about time.

I saw the mini series and season one before I left to live here and Lucifer sent me season two on DVD (bonus!!!)... It will be good to go back to beginning as it's been a while since I last watched an episode (I don't do bit torrent because it's antithetical to my chosen line of work).

No, wasnt' Lucifer's voice Dr. Smith from Lost in Space....

Last night's episode was interesting, but I hate when they leave you hanging. I'm still wondering where this is going however.

I'm most interested in the cylon civil war angle and the Starbuck searching for earth angle.

The four revealed cylons only marginally interest me, and the Baltar as Jesus angle is downright stupid.

Major Kira!!!!

ok i changed my original desired finale for BSG from whatever I posted a page or 2 ago to...


Yeah they just need to bust out the intergalactic orgy and get it over with. Theres so much sexual tension on that show it's painful :p

unless you're baltar.... that lucky bastard.

I'm kinda disappointed that Roslyn didn't see Billy in her dream. Does that mean he's burning in hell?

BTW, this was one of the best episodes of the series so far. You can tell that the series is really hitting an amazing stride.

true that!

I was impressed!

Amen. This season began real strong, but the last few episodes preceding this one - while not bad - were clearly just arranging the pieces and setting the scenes for the major plot twists and big reveals.

And the scenes between Pres. Roslin and the lady dying of cancer were surprisingly touching, probably the saddest moment in the show since Billy died.

1. Felix Gaeta is hard core. He is also fucking crazy.

2. Two weeks? Nooooooooooooo000000000oooooooooooo0000000000

I have even worse news for you....

After Episode 10, they are not going to air the remaining episodes until 2009. Yes, that's right, at least 6 months from now.

Though they are now talking movies.....

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....attlestar.html

Look, I love the idea of getting more BSG even in the form of movies.

But the back half of the season airing in 2009? This has got to stop. I'm really, really sick of waiting 8-12 months for the show to pick up again, and it is very cruel to the fans to make them wait such a long time. Every other show can manage to start new seasons without running a special to remind people what happened last season, since it last aired so long ago, and BSG shouldn't have to either!

We can blame the writers strike, I suspect. It set them, as well as many other shows, back considerably. How long has it been since we've seen 24?

True, I'm sure the strike screwed things up. But here's what we've experienced:

End of Season Three: March 25, 2007

Razor: November 24, 2007

Beginning of Season Four: April 4, 2008

End of First Half of Season Four: June 13, 2008

Expected Start of Second Half of Season Four: 2009


Assuming (best case scenario) that the back 10 episodes of Season Four begin in early January, the series finale will air somewhere in the last couple weeks of March 2009. That's two full years (late March, 2007 to late March, 2009) over which the last 20 episodes of BSG are distributed. That's just ridiculous.

If that article posted by kirk is accurate, and they are already in production for those last ten episodes - and the series finale will be shot in June - why should we be forced to wait five or more months after filming wraps to see them?

Personally, I feel like one of the greatest benefits of television, the weekly anticipation of new content, the ongoing narrative momentum, is completely lost when this much time expires between episodes and seasons.

BTW, I have yet to see a link to a reputable site regarding the 2009 rumor.

I don't know what you would qualify as reputable, but this is the regular TV column for the Chicago Tribune, my hometown newspaper. I'd figure that's pretty reputable. Obviously, it doesn't mean it is true, but it certainly qualifies as reputable.

It's a blogger's guess. I'll wait for official confirmation before really worrying.

2009 would fit Sci-Fi Channel's M.O.

That said, keep in mind that while they may finish shooting in June, they will have all the editing and effects left to do.

Man, those Number Eights are a trigger happy bunch.

They're also horrible shots. If you want to kill someone, shoot them in the head a few times, not the stomach! Not that the stomach isn't a terrible place to be shot, but clearly it is survivable (Adama). A couple holes through the brain would get the job done with much more certainty.

Hi fellow BSG fans. I have something to suggest.

Say BSG aired in the UK earlier than it did here. Let's also say there are scumbags in the UK who ripped said broadcast and offered it up to be downloaded via bittorrent.

Then you could watch Friday's BSG today, no?

But that'd never happen.

I'm busy watching season 3 - episode 5. I think this Friday is part of season 4? No?

I'd watch Friday's episode regardless. The better BSG's ratings, the more likely Sci-Fi (and be extension NBC) is to let Ron have free reign in creating the show. Hopefully, he could get a bigger budget, less interference on questionable violence and/or sex, etc.

Unless you have a Nielson box you are not influencing ratings.

:expressionless:
Oh.

I can't tell you how amazing tonight's episode is without giving a lot away. All I can say is that it's probably in the top 5 of the series.

Spoiler:
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DID SOMEBODY MAKE SURE BILL HAD A FEW MRE'S IN THAT RAPTOR?...............

Great episode.

Couple things I am wondering:

1. Did the Six that Athena shot to death resurect?

2. How is Caprica Six pregnant? If Tigh is a cylon, how did he get her pregnant? cylon + cylon = sterile

3. What's the deal with the cat? Was the cat even there? The dead cat in the duffle bag had been dead "for weeks" I assume that the cat was an imagined cat.

No.
We don't know how the final 5 are different. It could be possible, or it could be Baltar, or it could be option 3 (hint: it's me).
By my understanding, yes the cat was imagined. But I have to think about it more to be sure.

really? i found this to be such a boring episode!! the last 5sec "on the next" was more interesting than this whole show. once again, we're given nothing in such a long time! atleast a little info on the base ship or something! but the president crap is really overdone. hopefully it gets better next week!

It was a decent episode, but there have certainly been better this season. Not every episode can kick ass though.

Re: Six being pregnant...you're all forgetting a very crucial point. When the cylons were trying to procreate, the reason they were never successful is because they lacked love. It's not that cylon + human can easily procreate, because they tried in vitro fertilization many times using a mixture of human and cylon parents. And it's not that cylon + cylon is always sterile. The reason Helo and Athena were able to procreate is because they loved each other. The same goes for Tyrol and Cally, and that what's so interesting now about Tigh and Six. Of course, a big part of the reason why he has feelings of love for her is because he's really confused and sometimes thinks she's Ellen.

1. Nope. All of the Cylons on that base ship were too far from the resurrection ship. That's why one of the Sharons told Cavill, "We're really killing them."

2. Good question. Lots of Cylon babies are popping out these days. Isn't the whole can't get pregnant thing what made Hera so special to begin with?

3. Maybe it's Schrödinger's Cat. I'm sure there's some hidden meaning in it. Maybe not. It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, sorta like Romo Lampkin's mumblings.

And that's another can of worms...isn't she supposed to be in love with Baltar? Does she not love him anymore?

Cylon + cylon were sterile in the beginning because of love, which is where the Athena experiment came in.

Still, Tigh and Six would be a first in cylon + cylon, thus demonstrating that it IS just love (if we're assuming Tigh and Six love each other).

Right, in the beginning, cylons couldn't procreate with cylons because they did not love each other...they were relatively young as a robotic species, and still acted as a general collective rather than as individuals. They certainly hadn't learned the joy of genuine emotion yet. As we've seen over the years, the cylons are developing more and more into individuals (thus the collapse of their "plan" - though that's not to say someone else doesn't have a plan out there, which is my theory) and, one by one, they're gaining the capacity to love.

The point is, I don't think Six being pregnant has anything to do with the five being different from the other 7 (though they certainly are, it's just not important here).

The cat was definitely alive in Season 3 as it jumped out of the raptor just before Baltar's trial. As Tyrol was looking for the "fracking cat", he spied the bomb strapped to the underside of the raptor. Yet Lamkin said, "they killed my cat". Now either the cat is a metaphor for the loss of his family, or, some mob killed his cat.

As to the six being pregnant by Tigh, there is another angle....

What if Tigh isn't a cylon.

Or, if someone else has been playing hide the salami with Caprica Six.

I dunno.

The whole "without love" thing seems a little far reaching.

Too bad that Six died on the table. I find the Sixes very interesting (not just cause they're hot)

I thought this was made abundently clear.

Highly unlikely. I really think a lot of BSG fans lately have begun to way overthink the show.

Also highly unlikely.

It is, to a certain extent. On the other hand, I think it's fairly established that there is some metaphysical power in the BSG universe, and that the journey the cylons and humans are on right now is somehow linked to that. So, I don't think it's unreasonable that something intangible like love is necessary for procreation in cylons.

I still say Cylons and humans are going to be all hunky dory and united at the end of the show. mark my words. mark them!

"Cylon"... and a peace between skin-jobs and humans is a distinct possibility.

Not if Cavill or Doral has anything to say about it.

What Laura Roslyn did was so deliciously evil that I want her to have my kids.

Edit:Spoiler:
No, don't do it, Laura!!d Don't do it!!!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!




...damnit. You disapoint me, Laura. I no longer want you to have my kids.

A few thoughts:
Grace Park is a fucking good actress.
I've gotta tell you, the end of this episode was so comforting and so satisfying.
The scenes from next week blew my mind.

agreed. She's my pic for the hot women of show business thread.

I think Baltar's little speech to the toaster certainly points the direction to my predictiation of humans+skin jobs vs the toasters and the raiders.

Which brings up a question. Right before the bombing mission to the hub, there was a pep talk about how the suited up skin-jobs were "pilots just like us". But I thought that the raiders were individual beings that were self piloted.

Heavy raiders require skin jobs at the helm. Regular raiders don't.

Oh my god.

Ouch!

So now what?

damnit I hate having to wait for torrents ;p

You Blew It Up!!!!!!

Gods Damn You!!!!

Gods Damn You All To Hell!!!!!!

Now we wait until February of 2009. :sad:

I'm going to dread this winter.

I think the last minute was the best part of this episode. The looks on their faces was just priceless.

So I'm thinking...

Is that indeed Earth?

Did the 3's, 5's, and the 8's beat them there and blow it up?

Or did mankind pull a Planet of the Apes and do it themselves?

What year is it?

2008?

1008?

3008?

And most importantly, where do you go from here?

So many fracking questions.

Loved the episode by the way. Great performances by Jamie Bamber (Apollo) and Hogan (Tigh) and of course Edward Olmos.

It's actually the year 2525.

erg, I am unimpressed. This is the ending I have to chew on for 7 months? fawk that.

Well, there are still the questions of how the orchestration of direction is taking place, who the final cylon is, and how head-six and head-Baltar are related to each other...

ummm hellooooooooo haven't you been paying attention all this time????

frak that.

I think you're "ummm helloooooooo" is implying that I'm missing something blatantly obvious, yet you fail to supply me with an answer.

what?

I don't even watch the show, and I caught it.

oh was he critiquing my use of fawk instead of frak?

lol

unimpressed!!! for the last 5-10 episodes, they kept saying: 1 will be revealed.

they forgot to do that!!!!!!!!!!! fucking tv show. just end it when it's good. don't stretch a good thing. fuck.

I keep thinking that Count Iblis is going to show up. That that planet is not earth, that they have been deceived to go there to get him off of that rock.

Quasi, you've hit it on the head.

I like this ending better.

My only real disappointment is that there wasn't a ruined Statue of Liberty sticking out of the ground. :D

Anyways, I guess the story options here are:

A: There's another final planet to find; perhaps where this Earth's inhabitants have escaped to...

B: Introduce some dues ex machina using time-travel/alternate dimensions/spiritual hocus pocus/reboot...whatever.

C: Send them back out into space without a sure destination, either in conflict or partnership with the Cylons.

Anyone else?

Okay, I need some guidance here. I just finished watching the last episode of Season 3. I'm still backing up through the posts in this forum so that I can get a fracking idea as to why the new 4 (of 5) Cylons were all switched to awareness by Bob Dylan (wtf?). And to find out if Starbuck really found earth. And how her ship survived the explosion witnessed by Apollo.

But what do I need to do going forward? What is Razor? Is it necessary before watching Season 4? Does anybody have any Season 4 episodes for download?

Watch Razor before season 4.

My question is this:

What the hell was the point of the side story involving Starbuck finding earth anyway? She was all yammering madly how she found it and blah blah blah and, this?

There's something missing from the equation here.

D. Stay at Earth and rebuild and eventually get found by the rest of the Cylons, have a war, defeat them.

Raze the planet til it's uninhabitable, hit the stars, found a number of colonies, create humanoid robots to help colonization, war, peace, mass genocide, hit the stars again, find mythical birthplace of humanity, rinse, repeat.

I had lost interest in this show at the end of last season, but after catching wind of the finale...I'm seriously thinking of revisiting the issue.

I'd suggest not reading this unless you want a massive spoiler:
Spoiler: This particular story ties in with whomever is controlling the destiny of humanity and the cylons and will be the main focus of the last 10 episodes. It will also play into the last of the final five, which is actually humanity itself. I can elaborate on this more later.

anybody have season 4 (so far) on PVR?

I have mine on Dish Network DVR.

I just get my stuff off mininova

eztv for me when i miss them and recently, i've been recording it on my media pc.

Final season trailer now online! 10 more days!

The Epic Journey - Season 4.5 | Videos | SCI FI Video

Gaaaahhh!!!! Can't wait!!!

(that's supposed to be all caps but the site is too smart for me :p)

Battlestar... Obama... Macworld... this is a good month!

Nip/Tuck...The L Word...what else?

I so freakin' stoked about seeing how the BSG story ends. Only a week and a half to go!

I am very excited it is almost time for BSG to come back! As my SO can attest to, I freak out every time I see a preview.

Spoiler: They're all Cylons!

Oh that's just the beginning. There are at least three more absolutely massive things we're going to learn in the last 10 episodes.

Spoiler: What? He's right? He told me he was going t post that as a joke.

Shhh....:expressionless:
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Okay, so we know who the fifth is. We know a lot more about Starbuck. We know a great deal about Earth. And the picture is finally forming about the third party.

I'm so glad this is back.

Great episode, fantastic turn of events. So much to be explained.

Obviously, Earth has fought the Battle of Armageddon.

However, with regard to Starbuck, I don't think she is a cylon. It's way deeper than that.

Starbuck is the Resurrection.

The Resurrection is the very heart of Christianity. All along, the Cylons have believed in the God of Abraham, one God, and the humans have (and still do) believe in many Gods. (Though it's an interesting image - Laura Rosalin burning the sacred scrolls of Pithia. She has realized that it's not true.) Now you know why the cylons believe only in one God. It stems from when they lived on Earth and destroyed themselves.

12 cylons, 12 deciples.

Starbuck is Jesus.

That's why Leoban (Peter) ran. (Wouldn't you run if you saw Jesus in front of you?)

The 12'th cylon is Judas.

SPOILERS for episode 411 of course, but if you're any kind of BSG fan you wouldn't come into this thread until you've seen the most recent episode anyway.

james t kirk: I think this is a case of seeing something because you want it to be there. I really don't see RDM going in that direction at all.

willravel: I'm not sure how you can so definitively say we know who the fifth is and we know a lot more about Starbuck. If Ellen is the fifth, then it seems we know a lot less about Starbuck. If Starbuck is the fifth, then we know a lot more about her, but what's the deal with Ellen?

What I think we do know - and this isn't really anything new, because it has been brought up plenty of times before - is that all of this really has happened before, and all of it will happen again. In the end, I think they truly are all cylons - just different iterations - and most of them will die, leaving a small faction to start the cycle anew, maybe on Kobol. They could also go in the Matrix direction where the cycle is broken, but I think that would be less interesting.

Oh, and will, what third party? As much as I was a proponent of a third party to the story before, I'm growing more and more confident that humans (who I now think have been long dead) and cylons are the only characters to this story.

Either way, I'm excited to see what's next!

I thought it was an excellent episode, but a bit confused about the 5th cylon since I assumed it was Starbuck because she found her ship and body, but then Tigh was tripping out in the water and came to the conclusion that his deceased wife is the 5th.

I didn't expect Dee to blow her brains out, but I guess someone was going to do it.

They hinted at that pretty strongly throughout the episode, but it was still pretty shocking when she actually did it, despite the buildup. What a tragic subplot - wonderfully done.

That episode was awesome! I don't know what to think, just a lot more questions than answers.

They may very well all be Cylons.


He ran away because she told him that the hybrid said she would bring the end.

Ellen was the fifth. She was on Earth, and I suspect that she was the one that orchestrated the resurrections of the final five. Because of that we now know Starbuck wasn't the last cylon and can move forward under the assumption that finding Earth was orchestrated by the third party.
Yes, I think that's what we're supposed to think right now. The population of the Twelve Colonies were just another kind of cylon. Or? Maybe there was a reason that the thirteenth tribe took such a different direction? Maybe that separation is a clue that the colonials were human. It's hard to say, and knowing Moore, we're likely jumping to premature conclusions.
How would the long dead humans resurrect Starbuck? Nah, whomever has been orchestrating things is still very much an active force. Head Six, Head Baltar, and Head Leoben are all very much connected with the rag-tag fleet finding Earth via resurrecting Starbuck and changing the behaviors of people in the humans and cylon. Baltar becoming a monotheistic prophet likely will play a substantial role in things to come, and you can bet Hera is directly involved.

Maybe it is a bit like the old series where there is that race of god like beings.

Found in the episodes 'War of the Gods'

Hard to say exactly what "the end" means.

The war on Earth occurred 2,000 years ago. Supposedly, there's no-one left.

Earth was entirely populated by cylons? Are humans decended from Cylons? What about the other cylons out there, how do they fit into the equation?

Next episode, it looks like Six is pregnant with Tigh's child.
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The WHOLE show is steeped in Christian mythology.


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I used to think we were headed in that direction but I'm not so sure anymore. It's worth remembering that EJM has been vocal from the beginning about not wanting to be part of a show with aliens. We'll see though: I think the Beings of Light/Lords of Kobol/whatever-you-want-to-call-them could be an interesting storyline, but I also think the idea of everyone being a cylon and having been for a VERY long time is interesting as well.The whole show as in that one picture? ;) The show is steeped in mythology from a very very wide range of spiritual traditions...there are Christian elements, but it's not particularly more Christian than Jewish, Hindu, or Greco-Roman (all three of which have gigantic connections to BSG mythos).

LDS mythology, to be more specific.

That's a lot more accurate when you're talking about the original series.

The new series is steeped in LDS mythology only insofar as it's based on the same concept as the original. RDM does not have the same agenda that Glen Larson did.

It was a mind-blowing episode that left me with chills.
When Tyrol (sp?) was in the ruins and he had his flashback of getting blasted and imprinted on the wall, that was chilling.
When Starbuck found herself, that was chilling.
When Dualla killed herself, that was chilling.
When Adama was drinking with Tigh in Tigh's quarters, with the pistols, that was chilling.
But most chilling of all?
The thought that the people of Earth were Cylons all along.

I hope I'm wrong.

Revolution!

An article discussing why Gaeta started a mini revolution.