04-02-2005, 09:18 PM | #481 (permalink) |
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I just finished reading the whole thread (can't say there weren't any casualties among the details in the longer articles, but I did my best)... and all I can really say at the moment is that the wheels are turning.
I've been suspect of television, movie and print ads for a long time now, but the biggest surprise to me (by far) while reading through all of this was product placement in songs. To give just one example, it never occurred to me that I know the Cracker Jack brand because of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game," which I must have sang a thousand times in my early youth. That immediately triggered two other examples in my life: (1) I also remember reading about Cracker Jack in an Archie comic a long, long time ago... I distinctly remember one of the Archie-Veronica-Betty love triangle stories involving a ring that was obtained as the prize in a box of Cracker Jack; and (2) I know Colavita brand olive oil (random, random, random) because it's named at the beginning of a song by Phantom Planet (I forget exactly which song) and I choose it over the other similarly priced bottles of olive oil at my local store because I know the name so well from listening to the song a lot. I made some mental notes on other posts several pages back that I'd like to comment on eventually, but I'm going to have to let my mind settle down a bit before I can add any more coherent commentary. Thanks for starting this great thread, Art!
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04-02-2005, 09:32 PM | #482 (permalink) |
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Some paranoia for those New Yorkers out there... if you notice the ads on the subway cars for Courvoisier cognac... the bottle is suspiciously reminiscent of a vagina. I noticed it right away. The text accompanying the bottle is also fair condescending. Also the shampoo ads for Garnier Fructise... the woman pulling down on that long rope of hair.. that's a blowjob look if I ever saw one.
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04-02-2005, 09:40 PM | #483 (permalink) |
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Oh, I also wanted to add that I read an article a little while back about another advertising technique, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise. It basicly stated that clothing companies targeted influencial individuals who were seen as popular in their circle of friends and were fairly active in the community - and dressed them up for free. They don't have to be celebrities or spokesmen, they just have to be popular. They give them thousands of dollars in merchandise.. and just tell them to run around with it.
The subjects say they get asked all the time "who" they are wearing and it just works to spread the word. Sounds effective.
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04-03-2005, 01:35 AM | #486 (permalink) |
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It is exactly to combat this problem of 'glancing' that these ads were developed - you see something that grabs your attention, so you spend a bit longer looking at the ad to see what it was.
I personally know the creative who developed the 18-30 ad above (I work in advertising myself) and this was one of his prime objectives. Club 18-30 was to be positioned as a place you go to drink beer, carrouse and have sex. All the ads in the campaign play on this - some more explicitly through the use of suggestive copy and no visuals, and others like this. As I said - if you didn't see any sexual activity in the ad, then you missed the point. |
04-03-2005, 03:27 AM | #488 (permalink) |
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The mass audience is not nearly so terribly intellectual, visually sophisticated, or unrepressed as those who create media. In an offhand way you're remaking the main arguments referred to in this thread. Thanks.
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04-03-2005, 03:54 AM | #489 (permalink) |
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Except that Club 18-30 is actually selling sex, and not in a terribly subtle way. Or do you think that a headline reading, "Girls, can we interest you in a package holiday?" while showing a picture of someone's ample crotch is subtle and subliminal?
Something else to consider is that this campaign was not produced for the US market. Club 18-30 is a British company. Last edited by DJ Happy; 04-03-2005 at 04:08 AM.. |
04-03-2005, 05:31 AM | #491 (permalink) |
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Well, I'd have to disagree completely. Sex is not something being sold in most ads. That's a sensationalist generalisation that's simply not true.
There is also a big difference between manipulating people's sexual urges to sell a completely unrelated product (i.e. the Air France commercial of about 15 years ago) and using sex to sell sex (i.e. Club 18-30). Anyway, previously you said that most people wouldn't be able to cognitively perceive the sexually suggestive images in the ads, but now you're suggesting that they would. Are you making a point about the use of sexual subliminal perceptions or the explicit use of sexual imagery to sell a product? |
04-03-2005, 06:35 AM | #492 (permalink) |
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My point is these perceptual and conceptual experiences are on a sliding scale - a spectrum of awareness between conscious and unconscious experience. It is not a black or white issue. Each person perceives different amounts of information through focused attention and peripheral awareness.
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04-03-2005, 06:46 AM | #494 (permalink) | |
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The conscious mind will probably chuckle. Subconscious mind will deal with it entirely differently. The fact that your friend designed this creative to play with sexual images... in your face ones at that, is kind of besides the point. You cannot view these ads in isolation from the rest of the mediascape and the breadth of any particular individual's personal experiences. The connections and associations that the subconscious minds makes are beyond our conscious understanding... The fact that our subconsious is being purposely manipulated is what is being argued in this thread...
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04-03-2005, 07:16 AM | #495 (permalink) |
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In that case, no-one has any control over how anyone will react to any stimulus because you cannot predict how the sub-conscious mind will react to consciously analysed material and this thread is redundant.
The fact that the images are "in your face" is exactly the point. They are not designed to be skipped over by the conscious mind only to be randomly interpreted by the sub-conscious. |
04-03-2005, 07:49 AM | #496 (permalink) |
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Yes. The reason these images are interesting - and they are interesting (and noteworthy) is because they exist on the lines that are being drawn in this thread. If there were no such things as thresholds of awareness and peripheral awareness, they would lose their reason for being.
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could we be reading something into? that possibility has to exist, but the critical thinking, logic and reasoning has to also state that the possibility of this kind of manipulation also exists.
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04-03-2005, 08:23 AM | #499 (permalink) |
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Questions about the human mind, perception, cognition, and awareness are the most complex questions we can ask. Personally, I've only begun reading into all this. I'll be continuing to read as much into these subjects as possible. I find them endlessly fascinating.
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04-03-2005, 05:12 PM | #501 (permalink) |
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My 11 yr old sister just watched "The girl next door" like a week ago...Jesus Christ!
It has all these sexual issues in it... lets see..penis size, popularity, breast size, sexuality... I hate it. They feed this heap of shit and it makes kids think a certain way, act a certain way, its really horrible. All these teen movies corrupt the kids. |
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You can't buy this kind of advertising... or can you?
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I stumbled upon this. I haven't read the whole thing but it's very interesting on first pickup.
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04-21-2005, 07:58 AM | #508 (permalink) |
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Trends like the TiVo effect are probably why companies like GM are becoming ever more annoying with their advertising tactics... like slapping badges all over their cars. I wonder what other kinds of companies are doing to combat the TiVo effect. Not all companies have the luxury of attaching big, extraneous hunks of metal to their product in order to advertise.
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04-21-2005, 08:19 AM | #509 (permalink) |
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a few things going on in the industry at the moment...
Tivo has started "billboard ads" which when you fast forward will pop up another small computer generated ad. It only will do this if they advertiser has paid for it to Tivo, so it's not a blanket thing where it's on all adverts. Cable channels are combating this in two ways. First is product placement endorsement. Direct placement within the show or even about the show. How much of Victoria Secret's Lingerie Show was commercial and how much was really show? Children's TV is very much one big long commercial advertising toys. The second method is via the banner or bug adverts on the bottom 1/3 of the screen. I've got good information that those things that you see advertising the new hot show coming up next or next week, is going to start being normal product advertising. It's just a matter of time and acceptance.
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Living The NASCAR Life
The brand loyalty of NASCAR fans is well-known, well-researched, and well-documented in the ad industry. Nascar fans are three times more likely than fans of other sports to buy products of sponsors. If NASCAR still exisits on the periphery of your consciousness, it will be encroaching quite soon toward front and center. NASCAR just ran its first prime-time race last night, covered flag to flag by FOX Sports. And it has sewn up contracts with suppliers of just about everything to be on the long list of NASCAR-licensed products.
http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/...20050418b.html Living the NASCAR life April 18, 2005 Matt Crossman Sporting News Just past midnight, in the wee hours of Friday morning, I started to doubt the wisdom of basing my entire existence on using nothing but NASCAR products. Bristol Motor Speedway is a long way from my house in St. Louis, and I was sick of driving, even though I was riding in style in a tricked-out 2005 Ford F-150 (official pickup truck). Making matters worse: I was 530 miles into a 500-mile trip. I was lost. I didn't have a map. And my cell phone was dying. As I white-knuckled the mammoth truck through a switchback, I remained intent on proving my hypothesis: Over a race weekend, I could eat, wear, consume and buy nothing but NASCAR products. It would be just like "Super Size Me," only without the health risks and weight gain. I finally found my Best Western (official hotel), and the next day I started the NASCAR routine. For the next four days, my mornings consisted of putting on Old Spice (official deodorant), using an Oral-B toothbrush and toothpaste (official oral care products), shaving with Gillette (official shaving products) and putting on a NASCAR golf shirt and Levi's (official jeans). To answer your next question, Fruit of the Loom is a sponsor for Robby Gordon. Because there is no official NASCAR milk and I didn't want to put Powerade (official sports beverage) on my Kellogg's (official cereal), I ate breakfast at McDonald's (team sponsor) every day. Leaving the F-150 at the hotel, I drove a 2005 Chevrolet Monte Carlo (official pace car) to and from the track. If you learn nothing else from this story, learn this: I'll do anything for freebies. No, wait -- learn this: NASCAR is not what it used to be. The days of the sport being solely sponsored by beer, automotive and tobacco companies have been gone for a long time. NASCAR's move to the mainstream was accelerated even further when Brian France became chairman and Nextel became the title sponsor. It seems quaint that, a year and a half ago, a cigarette company was the title sponsor of NASCAR's top circuit. Nicorette is a sponsor now, and 1,100 companies are involved either with NASCAR or a team. Of those, 102 are Fortune 500 companies. The cars steal the show On the way from the hotel to the track on Friday, I filled up at R&S Sunoco (official fuel) in Abingdon, Va. Whatever bad mood lingered from the night before evaporated while I was at R&S. It sounds silly, but this five-minute stop (and two subsequent visits) brightened my trip. You know you've found a good place when the sign outside says, "Coming April 1, Free Gas. Inquire inside." Raymond Hurd, the owner of the station, was impressed by my Monte Carlo. Did I mention it was painted like the No. 99 Busch Series Best Western car? Trust me; if you want to draw attention to yourself, drive a car that looks like a racecar. The car represented my most blatant partisanship. Other than that, I didn't favor any one driver, unless you count my Tony Stewart belt, Mark Martin Velcro wallet and just-in-case Dale Earnhardt Jr. flashlight with Duracells (official alkaline batteries). I drive like a maniac when I cover a race, just like golf writers whisper and baseball writers take steroids. To help, Hurd suggested places to open up the Monte Carlo. Abingdon is in the Appalachians, with highways full of twists, turns, inclines, declines and cops. Because I would drive the 144-mile round trip from Abingdon to Bristol three days in a row, I needed to know about the local law. A cop wouldn't bust me in this fake racecar, would he? "Not unless he's by himself," Hurd said, "or with somebody." Thanks, Raymond, but I'll handle the jokes around here. My NASCAR-logoed vehicles were great icebreakers all weekend. The Ford F-150, customized NASCAR style by American Specialty Trucks, got this: "That's one pimp-ass truck, for real," from a tongue-ringed guy at a Chevron (team sponsor) in Indiana. Dave Baker of Fremont, Ohio, who saw me pull the Monte Carlo up to the hotel, told me he painted his wife's 1987 Thunderbird like Davey Allison's Texaco car. I gave two guys a ride to the track in the 99 car after they hooted at me. They said to call them "two nitwits from New Hampshire." As those Nextel (official series sponsor) commercials say: Done. Fully vested Friday was qualifying day, which doesn't get much attention at most tracks. Bristol is not most tracks. It's the Lambeau Field of NASCAR, only more than twice as big. On race weekend, eastern Tennessee is a NASCAR petri dish. I was living the NASCAR life on a lark -- I mean, a Serious Journalistic Investigation -- but many fans live the NASCAR life, too, albeit on a smaller scale. They wear drivers' shirts and hats and use the products drivers endorse. The result: endlessly ringing cash registers. NASCAR says the sport's average fan spends $700 a year on tickets and merchandise. And that's just the NASCAR stuff. Fans line up in front of drivers' merchandise trailers week after week. NASCAR and the sponsors won't say how much an official sponsorship costs, but one source puts the figure at $3 million to $5 million. The numbers are elusive because sponsors don't want competitors to know how much they're spending. And NASCAR protects its privacy on these matters like a cornered Little E fan protects the last Budweiser (official beer) at the Sunoco APlus (official convenience store). More is known about how much sponsors pay to be on cars. The cost varies depending on the team and driver, with more prominent teams drawing bigger fees. The major teams -- Earnhardt Jr., Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson -- get up to $20 million each from their primary sponsors. The sponsors pay those fees for exposure -- and access to fans' Velcro wallets. The fans' loyalty, to the sport and to drivers, is legendary. NASCAR says its fans are three times more likely to buy a sponsor's product over a nonsponsor's. "I will not drink a Coke," a Gordon fan told me. "If I go to a fast food restaurant and they do not sell Pepsi, I get water." When she buys gas, she rounds off cents at 24, Gordon's car number. You won't hear me diss fans, but I will speak truth in love. NASCAR fans buy some stupid things. NASCAR has many official, licensed and sponsor's products that make the world a better place, such as the Domino's (official pizza delivery) pepperoni pizza I ate Friday. But there are a ton of items carrying the NASCAR logo that make you wonder. Take talking NASCAR bottle openers, which are sure to cause the collapse of the U.S. economy. Talking NASCAR bottle openers are a lot like puffy vests, the kind made famous by Robin Williams in "Mork & Mindy." Just as there's absolutely no reason to buy a coat with no sleeves, there's absolutely no reason to buy a talking NASCAR bottle opener. If you buy either, you have too much money and you're just spending it willy-nilly. That kind of spending always leads to an economic crisis. These boots are made for hawking The Busch race at Bristol was rained out Saturday -- April in Tennessee is supposed to be lovely, but it was freezing. I never thought the weather would be so bad, so I didn't have a NASCAR winter coat. At least my feet stayed warm and dry, thanks to my Timberland PRO boots (Busch Series team sponsor). NASCAR has no official shoe, and there are no major teams with a shoe sponsor. I had never heard of Timberland PRO's deal before, and neither had several NASCAR people I asked as I tried to find shoes. Jim O'Connor of Timberland says it doesn't bother him that his sponsorship gets little attention; it's more important to him to leverage his NASCAR relationship with retailers. When Timberland PRO runs a big promotion, the retailer is more likely to give it prime space because of the NASCAR tie-in. Similarly, one of the goals of Checkers/Rally's (official burger and drive-through) is to attract franchisees through its connection to NASCAR. Best Western also multi-tasks its NASCAR relationship. The company sponsors a Busch car, has business-to-business deals with other sponsors and runs numerous programs targeted at race fans, including a website (bestwesternracing.com). Says David Scholefield, vice president of North American sales and motorsports marketing: "You can't enter any sports marketing relationship and pretend to play." Other companies use NASCAR to promote specific product lines. While getting ready for the weekend, I suggested to Levi's that my regular Levi's would suffice. A few days later, six pairs of Levi's Signature Series arrived on my doorstep. Free chocolate, bad. Fruit, good. Saturday brought the weekend's toughest temptation: free food in the media center. Cookies, brownies, all kinds of sugary goodness were laid out in front of me. But eating media center food violated the spirit of this story, so I came prepared to stand against the devil's chocolaty schemes -- with a NASCAR-licensed cooler full of Dasani (official water), Planters peanuts (promotional partner) and even fruit. Yes, NASCAR-licensed fruit. Jack Bertagna works in sales and marketing for Castellini Group, owner of the fruit and vegetable license. One part of Castellini's NASCAR effort is to sell branded produce at every Wal-Mart Supercenter within 150 miles of a track on race weekend. Before the Daytona 500, during a late-night visit to a Wal-Mart, Bertagna found his bins of potatoes and onions nearly empty. Neighboring bins were full. An incredulous clerk pointed to the NASCAR logo. "The dadgum thing is working," Bertagna says. If NASCAR-licensed fruit sounds like the new NASCAR, how about a driver shilling hair products? Garnier Fructis sponsors driver Brian Vickers. A Garnier stylist does Vickers' hair before every race so he looks good for appearances. So I had my hair done, too, and I spent the rest of the day finely coiffured ... and in fear that Cale Yarborough would find me and beat the crap out of me. On Monday, I checked out of the hotel, paying with my Visa (official card). The return drive home went much better. I didn't get lost. The truck drew more praise, first at a Chevron in either Kentucky or Virginia (still no map -- NASCAR has licensed atlases; I was too dumb to get one) then at a Subway (team sponsor) in Illinois. My driveway was the start-finish line. As I pulled in, I didn't take the checkered flag, and there was no celebration and no crew ready to welcome me. In that way, the end of living the NASCAR life was nothing like the end of a race. But in another way, it was exactly the same: I had a ton of sponsors to thank. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (more) http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke%5C21597.html An obsessive loyalty By David Harrison NASCAR inspires its fans to collect every possible item connected in some way to their favorite drivers. Like many NASCAR fans, James Martin was initiated early. He remembers sitting outside listening to the races on the radio with his father in Salem when he was 5 years old. His father died when he was 12, but by then, Martin's fascination with auto racing had taken root. "That's one of the best memories I have is him and me hanging out listening to the races or him taking me to the races," Martin said. Back then, races were less tightly controlled, drivers were more accessible and ticket prices were lower. "Back then, one driver would wreck another one and the two would get into a fistfight in the infield and nobody said anything about it," said Martin, 29, who now lives in Vinton. Still, Martin has remained loyal to the sport as it's grown into made-for-television family-oriented fare drawing millions of fans and turning top drivers into household names. "I love cars," he confessed one day last week, as the area revved up for today's Advance Auto Parts 500 at Martinsville Speedway. "Just the roar of the engine and the intensity. Driving 190 miles an hour, you know, bumper-to-bumper, is wild." It is people like Martin, people whose blood is cut with motor oil, that make up the bulk of the market for NASCAR paraphernalia. For some reason, NASCAR can inspire in its fans an obsessive drive to collect every possible item connected in some way to their favorite drivers, said Doug King, manager of the Caution Flag, a NASCAR memorabilia store on Williamson Road in Roanoke. These include but are not limited to model cars, T-shirts, boxer shorts, jackets, caps, shoes, shoelaces, cereal boxes, board games, commemorative knives, car covers, life-size cardboard cutouts, framed photographs, rugs, bottles of barbecue sauce and soda cans. And if these items are slapped with the corporate logos of the car's sponsors, that makes them that much more authentic. Die-cast model cars, a staple of any NASCAR collection, cost roughly $60 each but rarer models can run into the hundreds of dollars. Sales of die-cast cars and other NASCAR-licensed products hit $2.1 billion in 2004, said Andrew Giangola, NASCAR's director of business communications. "It's booming," thanks to Internet marketing and distribution deals with drugstores, department stores and the home-shopping television channel QVC, Giangola said. But NASCAR still trails the National Football League, which last year generated roughly $3 billion in sales of NFL-licensed merchandise, according to Mike May, spokesman for SGMA International, a Florida-based sports marketing trade association. However, NASCAR drivers are more accessible to their fans than many other athletes, said King. And that, in turn, breeds the kind of loyalty that sells thousands of collectibles. "They [the fans] can relate to these stars better than they can in some other sports and they can get closer to these stars than other sports," King said. The drivers, he added, "still remember who's paying their paycheck." Martin owns about 60 model race cars at one twenty-fourth scale, some of which are exact replicas of winning race cars, complete with all the dents, scratches and tire rubs that were on the original car when it crossed the finish line. He also has 20 to 25 collectible action figures of drivers, NASCAR-themed jackets for him and his wife and other assorted items related to racing. He's working on gathering replicas of cars from the early 1980s. "I'm trying to collect the ones me and my father used to see," he said. Originally a niche sport for blue collar workers in the Southeastern states, NASCAR's popularity has since grown so that today it counts doctors and lawyers as fans, King said. But those blue collar roots have cemented the bond between fans and drivers, he said. "It's part of the heritage," said Leo Ingram, 45, a Roanoke resident who's been following the sport for about two decades. "It's good old Southern heritage." But Ingram has a more practical reason for his collection, which includes model cars, jackets, caps, commemorative knives and other items. "Down the road, I got grandkids, and some of this stuff is going to be worth quite a bit of money," he said. "I see it as being a good way to finance college." Shirley Williams, a 63-year-old widow from Bedford County, owns what may be one of the most comprehensive collections of NASCAR collectibles, mostly devoted to her two favorite drivers, Kasey Kahne and Bill Elliott. Her father introduced her to NASCAR and to the legendary Richard Petty when she was "a little itty-bitty thing" and she's been following Elliott's career since 1985. "You accumulate a whole lot of stuff in that length of time," she said. Highlights of her collection include 300 shirts, about 50 model cars, 30 jackets, a full-size replica race car with no engine, a glow-in-the-dark rug, pictures, clocks, mugs, hats, pins, shoes, shoelaces, a ball, a six-pack of Coke, a bottle of barbecue sauce, place mats, scrapbooks, notebooks, towels and a car cover. Most of these items are Bill Elliott themed. "My son says Bill Elliott lives in this house," she said. "I couldn't part with nothing. It would kill me." Her collection is so vast, she has to keep some of it in storage. "I can't help it," she said. "I love my guy." .. NASCAR is more than a mere collection of related memes. It is a total way of living. NASCAR is perhaps the first totally commodified environment. Its coming for us and its gaining ground
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Kudos on the fantastic thread, Art and everyone. What interests me about all this media savvy, is not so much it's broad scope individual successes, as it's penetration.
I'm talking about the fact that I can mention something like, The Quicker Picker Upper and _everybody_ knows what I'm talking about. This ubiquity is what really blows my mind! Like you could ask that of some ridiculous percentage (99%) of Joe Anybody USA and he'd be right on top of it, more or less, right? It's just good old homogonized american life that we all know and love. We're all living minor variations of this tried and true, beloved and functional method. Don't get me wrong, we the people are still squeezing some blessed life between these habitual operations. But we all have this same information about these products, as well as our news, and we're getting it all from these ever-combining mega corporations. I believe this sort of information control and publishing led us into our big war. I think an enourmous american population that all hears the same thing all the time leaves a very large hole in the idea of diversity of opinion. If we all know that Pert Plus is great, and all want an iPod but are of the opinion that those planes hit those towers because the people who did it 'hate freedom', we are grossly underinformed and led en masse in chosen directions. Ubiquitous advertising, marketing, mass media in general are our eyes and ears on the world, and if we're ALL locked into this one perspective, we can't see anyone else's side. Sorry to move this thread towards this delicate issue, but I see them as interlocked and at the more important end of the spectrum.
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I didn't even begin to think about product placement on food shows. I did of course think of the obvious untensils, but not the food itself.
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while I don't think it makes you smarter per se, it truly depends on the content. There's lots of mental junk food out there.
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05-05-2005, 12:09 PM | #514 (permalink) |
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I read this awhile ago and am only posting it now. I do wonder at what point folks will decide that we are headed ineluctably toward a situation in which the title of this thread is the only way to describe the content of our experience.
It's just a short stretch from the implications of this story: ................. Brain chip reads man's thoughts The 'chip' reads brain signals A paralysed man in the US has become the first person to benefit from a brain chip that reads his mind. Matthew Nagle, 25, was left paralysed from the neck down and confined to a wheelchair after a knife attack in 2001. The pioneering surgery at New England Sinai Hospital, Massachusetts, last summer means he can now control everyday objects by thought alone. The brain chip reads his mind and sends the thoughts to a computer to decipher. Mind over matter He can think his TV on and off, change channels and alter the volume thanks to the technology and software linked to devices in his home. Scientists have been working for some time to devise a way to enable paralysed people to control devices with the brain. Studies have shown that monkeys can control a computer with electrodes implanted into their brain. It's quite remarkable Dr Richard Apps, neurophysiologist from Bristol University Recently four people, two of them partly paralysed wheelchair users, were able to move a computer cursor while wearing a cap with 64 electrodes that pick up brain waves. Mr Nagle's device, called BrainGate, consists of nearly 100 hair-thin electrodes implanted a millimetre deep into part of the motor cortex of his brain that controls movement. Wires feed the information from the electrodes into a computer which analyses the brain signals. The signals are interpreted and translated into cursor movements, offering the user an alternative way to control devices such as a computer with thought. Motor control Professor John Donoghue, an expert on neuroscience at Brown University, Rhode Island, is the scientist behind the device produced by Cyberkinetics. He said: "The computer screen is basically a TV remote control panel, and in order to indicate a selection he merely has to pass the cursor over an icon, and that's equivalent to a click when he goes over that icon." Mr Nagle has also been able to use thought to move a prosthetic hand and robotic arm to grab sweets from one person's hand and place them into another. Professor Donoghue hopes that ultimately implants such as this will allow people with paralysis to regain the use of their limbs. The long term aim is to design a package the size of a mobile phone that will run on batteries, and to electrically stimulate the patient's own muscles. This will be difficult. The simple movements we take for granted in fact involve complex electrical signals which will be hard to replicate, Dr Richard Apps, a neurophysiologist from Bristol University, the UK, told the BBC News website. He said there were millions of neurones in the brain involved with movement. The brain chip taps into only a very small number of these. But he said the work was extremely exciting. "It's quite remarkable. They have taken research to the next stage to have a clear benefit for a patient that otherwise would not be able to move. "It seems that they have cracked the crucial step and arguably the most challenging step to get hand movements. "Just to be able to grasp an object is a major step forward." He said it might be possible to hone this further to achieve finer movements of the hand. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4396387.stm
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I can see that there are good intentions of those developing this technology but I wonder where else this could go...
My first impressions, as if we are not already saturated by the matrix, now we can 'plug into it'... Although helping these individuals regain some control over the aspects of daily life in simple tasks, will we come to rely on this sort of technology to resolve moods or get quick fixes? Interesting.
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Yes - it all seems quite inevitable to me.
As you know, I think it has always been thus. There is still a great deal of attachment to the quaint notion of our individual liberty. I'm sure the all the "noble" struggles to oppose the psycho-cultural imperative will continue. It feels so empowering to think of oneself as a champion, after all.
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05-17-2005, 03:46 PM | #518 (permalink) |
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The question of course is how EFFECTIVE the manipulation is.
They might fill an add with all the sexual innuendo in the world, but I'm not a big believer in the subconcious. If you don't see it, you don't see it, and the effect is lost. This is a long thread and perhaps I missed some proof of these adds being effective, but there are limits. If the media were 'in control' fully, Bush would not be president. Obviously most people can still make up their own minds despite spin and manipulation.
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I enjoy seeing a movie that challenges me, whether it's the story line, the direction, the ending.. if it's something that's not familiar, it usually scores higher in my books. If movie producers rely to heavily on a 'focus group', I wonder how much creativity will be stifled.. what if that focus group only has a limited perception of what they wish to see in a movie? Are these focus groups, consisting of only a few people, merely perpetuating something that has been introduced and has been successful in the past? Goetz's careful direction of these groups also imply that the focus group can be manipulated.. who is actually the director/creator of a movie?
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I've been part of these growing up and still attend some of them here in NYC. They fill a theater with a diverse group of people, they try to get age/sex during a prescreen when distributing tickets. During the movie, someone is walking about watching the reactions of people, taking notes, sometimes after the show, they have a questionaire, some multiple choice, some open write in. Sometimes they have full cuts of the movies sometimes with special effects (Flight of the Intruder had some blank screens with (Insert Special Effect Here - and a description of the effect), sometimes different cuts for different groups. When I saw The Marrying Man, it was something like 3 hours long and some of the funniest parts of the movie didn't make the released version. Sometimes they hold back a hand picked group to ask even more questions. . But sometimes, the screener is just for creating "word of mouth buzz"...
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