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qpid · 05-25-2003, 05:13 PM

I feel too black or too white for almost everything.
Everyday someone tells me "You're the whitest black person I've eer met"

Blacks and whites tell me this

Is it wrong for a black person to like rock over jazz?
to like computers over basketball?
to like karaoke over the new Madden game?

When did people get the idea that all black people have the same actions?
How come my so-called friends who are "open" to people of different backgrounds feel the need to let me know everything I'm doing that's "wrong"

I can't seem to vibe with doing stereotypical black things like watching/playing basketball, listening to rap, yelling at the evils of the white man, and more. I'm too white

yet...

I am black, everyone sees me as such. Security follows me around the mall, places don't give me job applications, people are friendly and nice to me to have a "black friend", conversations about race die out as soon as I walk into the room. I'm too black.

No one will read this and understand. They will say they will but they won't.

Glory's Sun · 05-25-2003, 05:42 PM

I said this in the other thread.. fuck what everyone thinks you should act like. You are who you are and you shouldn't apologize for it. Who cares if you like rock over jazz. It doesn't make you less black or less of a person. Everyone is unique in their own sense. If we weren't then it would suck. This might be a horrible analogy but take Lenny Kravitz,do you think he cares if he's considered less black? I doubt it. He makes the music he likes and makes the $$ while he's doin it. So I say just be who you are and you'll always be happy.

spectre · 05-25-2003, 05:47 PM

While I can't say that I completely understand, I have a good idea. I'm half Mexican and half white. I went to a school where I made up more then 10% of the minority population of the school. Grew up putting up with a lot of bullshit, and a number of fights. Sorry to hear that you have to put up with that kind of shit.

Halx · 05-25-2003, 05:47 PM

Comedians are the worst at prolonging the gaps between races. That's all I gotta say.

Conclamo Ludus · 05-25-2003, 05:48 PM

I know a gal who feels the same way. I'll tell you what I told her...

Why would you care? More or less what guccilvr said.

Don't define yourself by your race. Identify with what you love, not what people love or don't love about you.

arael · 05-25-2003, 05:50 PM

The whole concept of race is evil. Stereotypes however is inevitable..... That's just how our brain function. I'm sorry if you feel this way. I can't claim to understand the situation but i believe you shouldn't define your action as black or white but rather seperately. Your action is define by your uniqueness, by yourself. Don't let others convince your somethign is black or white. It's your own action. You decide what it is and decide what you want to do. Don't let race be a barrier or a burden

lafemmefatale · 05-25-2003, 06:14 PM

Actually areal, I believe the concept of race is important...it really defines you as a person. Not your personality, but it makes up the identity. Stereotypes are indeed inevitable and that should just get the hell out of the society, but race and ethnicity and culture and all the rest of it is very relevant to our lives. A girl in my school is japanese. She is so completely whitewashed, there is nothig about her that's japanese except her physical appearance. I don't mean she's not japanese by not liking pokemon and RPGs and j-pop and whatnot...it's the fact that she knows othing about her background...like japanese history, language, customs...NOTHING, and that's tragic.

In summary: liking rock and computers is a part of the personality...being a part of a certain race shouldn't make a difference, but race is important because it gives you a historical background, and that should still be respected...but not stereotyped.

WhoaitsZ · 05-25-2003, 06:14 PM

qpid, i wanna say don't worry about it. but i see you do. sorry

I have this kind of problem, being in da chair and all - being stereotyped.

basically, if someone says you should like this or that, put them in their place, dude. stand up for yourself.

it is complete fucking bullshit saying your color dictates your lifestyle/music.

egads. tell 'em to go buy In Living Color or Killswitch or Bad Brains.

try not to worry too muhc about it.. sad fact of life: most people are incredably ignorant. fuck em.

qpid · 05-25-2003, 06:52 PM

Thanks all

I try not to worry but as it was said before stereotypes are a part of life. I go to U of M (michigan) and there is a lot of talks going around regarding Affirmative Action, you must be for or against one or the other, if you are a minority you must be for, apparently. No one cares to discuss this stuff with me because "it would be useless, i already know what you are going to say"

i guess im just feeling down today and this is one more thing.

i guess what it really comes down to is loneliness. I mean it's hard to find people to be friends with or hang out with because inevitably something about race will come up. i want people who will accept me for me but all the people i think will eventually come to a head with the realization that I'm not who they thought I was. I don't listen to the "correct" form of music, I don't talk "correctly", I don't have the right beliefs.

It might be easier to make business cards with my personality traits and likes/dislikes, beliefs, and life histroy on it and pass it out to people when I first meet them

krwlz · 05-25-2003, 06:59 PM

Dude, two things.

First, COME HERE! Race doesnt matter! In fact I didn't know you were black until you mentioned it here, and i wouldn't care anyway! Dude What is your opnion on affirmative action?

Second, I grew up where we had one black kid in our grade, so I am sure he felt the same way, but no one really pays it any attention. In the end people are people, not blacks and whites.
As long as you advocate that (and not the "evils of whites" as you put it) more people will probably accept you. Maybe I am wrong, but I hope not. I am after all just some dumb kid from the sticks...

SexyCat · 05-25-2003, 07:38 PM

All I got to say on this subject is that I love you for you and that will never change. Fuck everyone else, they are not worth your time!

SailorVenusSHS · 05-25-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by krwlz
Dude What is your opnion on affirmative action?

By what he's been saying, I'm pretty sure he's against it.

I don't really think it's bad for people to 'not know' or 'not care' about their cultural identity. I mean, I am of the 'white' race (well, and Mexican). I'm guessing that makes me Native North/South American, Spanish, English, Italian, and maybe Swedish. I really am not sure, though. I suppose if you're an immigrant it makes sense, but what if you're just an American?

I feel sorry for you that people don't want to make racist jokes around you. It's all the PC liberals about. I would just try to tell my friends that it's okay, or maybe start making some myself (starting out with a bunch of different races so you don't appear racist).

Try joking with those security guards, and cheerfully point out that they're sliming all over you.

If a place doesn't give you a job application, threaten to sue. Maybe where you live it's a bit different, but here places seem to be willing to hire stoners that don't know what they're doing over competent people; I'm sure black people are the least of their worries.

Frowning Budah · 05-26-2003, 05:55 AM

I think it is all relative. Where I come from we had so few blacks there were very few stereotypes and they were treated just like everyone else. It was the Mexicans everybody blamed for everything and looked down on.
I have a friend in Europe and they are down on the Turks and couldn't careless abt the Black or the Mexicans.
Unfortunately it just seems we have to have someone we hold up for blame or ridicule.

WhoaitsZ · 05-26-2003, 10:07 AM

if the world would fucking GROW UP it'd be

you're black, white, asian, hispanic, perfect health, bad health, disabled, blind, deaf, gay, straight, male or female, you have rightst o work and health care.

if only

i think the biggest problem we have is some of minorities really, really abuse their status. then when you get some minorities trying to be EQUAL all the other people remember is the abuser. its a shame and its sad.

we all need to embrace equality. and that means turning down positive offers if you're a minority also.

we're all human. we all should be treated equally. nothing more, nothing less.

Jesus Pimp · 05-26-2003, 10:21 AM

Damn I wish there were more black people like you. I'm sick of stereotypical black guys. Seriously though, don't listen to what people say about you. Just be yourself.

qpid · 05-26-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Jesus Pimp
Damn I wish there were more black people like you. I'm sick of stereotypical black guys. Seriously though, don't listen to what people say about you. Just be yourself.

Jesus loves me

(sorry couldn't resist)

Minx · 05-26-2003, 11:11 AM

It shouldn't matter what color any of us are (unless you're blue, then someone better call a doctor). Ideally we should be judged by who we are on the inside. Obviously people will pigeon-hole people based on race, religion, etc. without even meaning to at times. Fair....no, it isn't. I believe no matter where you come from or what sex you are, there are good people and bad people and not everyone follows the typical path.
While I can't say I can understand exactly what you go through I can imagine how totally frustrating it would be to be judged upon sight rather than experience.

bullgoose · 05-26-2003, 11:40 AM

I saw this thread earlier, and I decided not to respond. It appears like lots of other folks didn't agree with me, so I'll throw in my $0.02. qpid, if you hadn't posted this, I would never have known you weren't a white guy; now that I know, I'll just forget it, because it doesn't mean a God-damned thing; I take people as I find them, I DON'T automatically judge them by their skin color. I'm white; I'm also a huge fan of the Blues; not that crap that goes by the name today, I'm talking about delta blues; does the fact that I'm white have any bearing on that? Hell no!! I also like a lot of Afro-American actors; I'm white though, so is it OK? You bet your ass it is, this racial stereotyping bullshit is just plain stupid; if I like someone, I don't give a shit if they're PLAID, I like the person, not their skin. Don't even consider your color; you strike me as the type of guy that people accept because you're a nice guy; lighten up on yourself, life will be a lot easier.

warrrreagl · 05-26-2003, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
Comedians are the worst at prolonging the gaps between races. That's all I gotta say.

Oh Fearless Leader, isn't that sort of like blaming Mapplethorpe for prolonging someone's interest in child pornography?

Somenosuke · 05-26-2003, 10:25 PM

qpid, I know how you feel. Feel free to PM me if you like on this subject..

BuDDaH · 05-27-2003, 03:03 AM

Keep it out in the open..

I'll jump in on the thread in a second.

I'll say this though: I know what you feel. I gotten that while being here, growing up in New York City and then on the other side living in the WHITEST country on the planet for almost 12 years. (FINLAND)

I'll add on my 2 cents after enough responses..

Daval · 05-27-2003, 05:34 AM

I would respect you much more if you were your own person and did what YOU wanted to do, not what others percieve you should be doing.

HiThereDear · 06-10-2003, 01:07 PM

That's exactly what he is doing. It doesn't mean that the actions of the people around him don't bother him. I respect him much more for continuing to do what he wants despite them.

Loki · 06-10-2003, 02:03 PM

i dunnae about all of this...

Stereotypes are generally odd. According to a North American who's watched too much of a certain crocodile hunter show... Every day, as soon as i get up, i should dodge the plethora of snakes roaming on the floor, go out the door, wrestle the waiting crocodile, and make a kangaroo carry me to work.

sounds stupid doesnt it?

yet, through the years, i've had each and every one of those statements asked to me by random american people when they have found out that i am from Australia. What im trying to get at here is that stereotypes are typically created when people who know little want to sound like they know a lot.

Somenosuke · 06-10-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loki
i dunnae about all of this...

Stereotypes are generally odd. According to a North American who's watched too much of a certain crocodile hunter show... Every day, as soon as i get up, i should dodge the plethora of snakes roaming on the floor, go out the door, wrestle the waiting crocodile, and make a kangaroo carry me to work.

sounds stupid doesnt it?

yet, through the years, i've had each and every one of those statements asked to me by random american people when they have found out that i am from Australia. What im trying to get at here is that stereotypes are typically created when people who know little want to sound like they know a lot.

Jeez.. That's just ridiculous. I have a friend who is australian and he'd have probably whacked me one (well not really but he'd have let me know I was an idiot) if I had asked something like that.

vermin · 06-10-2003, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Loki
sounds stupid doesnt it?

I don't know, that kangaroo thing sounds pretty sweet!

But to deal with the original thread topic: You are who you is. Just be yourself. Other than the people who posted pics in Exhibition or who were in the pics from the last get-together, I have no idea what race anyone here is. And I don't care.

Loki · 06-10-2003, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Somenosuke
Jeez.. That's just ridiculous. I have a friend who is australian and he'd have probably whacked me one (well not really but he'd have let me know I was an idiot) if I had asked something like that.

heh, normally i just string them along... its more fun

roothorick · 06-10-2003, 09:57 PM

I'm roothorick. I have no so-called "official" name, I technically don't live anywhere (unless you count that I am the alter ego of some idiot living in Wisconsin), I'm not of any race, hell I don't have a mother. I am not Ben Anderson. I am not white. I am not half german half norwegian. I am roothorick. I am an online identity with no important correlation to the person I exist in. It's that damn simple. But people don't like that.

Yeah, I'd say that I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I said it before and I'll say it again, don't EVER inquiry about my age. And people still ask, sometimes rudely enough to email me personally. Do you really want to know? Fine. Technically, I was fully realized as a person roughly one year ago. That'd make me only one year old, right? There, you have your answer. Next you'll want to know what I had for breakfast. I DON'T EAT, OKAY?

I wish I were joking. But this is reality for me. I'd ask you not to laugh, but you're going to anyway.

Pyrate · 06-11-2003, 01:40 AM

Hell, you're wrong there qpid. I understand totally. Do you know what it's like when you say you're learning Japanese and programming, and the person you're talking to goes:

"Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!! How come?"

Or someone goes: "Ooooohhh you're pretty tall. You should become a basketball player."

I reply with sarcasm, (If appropriate): "You're taller than me. Why don't YOU try it?"

"Weeeeeeeeeellll, it's not really my thing..."

What they are saying is, in all practicality, "You're black. I'm, white. you SHOULD play basketball, it's your 'thing', even if you're short and you aren't really interested in it"

Ridiculous.

It's like every black guy, midget to giant, is a 'tall, potential basketball player'

No one understands how I can sit on a pc for a good two hours posting away on the likes of this board. They expect me to be at the fucking football cage, acting ornery and loud, bunning spliffs all day. Ok ok, so I bun weed, but hey, wtf, half the world is doing it.

No one understands what I see in aggressive rollerblading, except other bladers and my closest friend, who is also black. I'm supposed to be a bloody well basketballer. Failing that, a footballer (soccer). People look at me funny when I step onto Dance Dance Euromix in Trocadero or Namco. The Japanese tourists are fine with it (they have respect), the fine young chicks are fine with it (they love me!), hell, even some of those white British guys are fine with it (they're friendly and safe), but nooooo! A black youth sees you dancing away on the machine and you're a 'pussy', or a 'neek'. Unless you're playing Time Crisis of course. You see, THAT game involves light guns, so they have no problem with me playing that.

It's a fucked a world, people, but at the same time it's great!

1. Being a black youth I can enjoy the comfort of a full seat on a bus.

2. I can put my feet up on crowded train and no one would dare ask me to move them.

3. I can run for a bus when all lazy sloth like unhealthy others trot at the pace of the traffic.

4. If I want to use the free (occupied) Gamecube Demo cubicle in Virgin Megastore, all I have to do is stand threateningly close to the person and big out my chest. Watch as the (usually white) occupant magically disappears!

5. If I haven't got any cigarettes left, I just say to someone smoking "Oi, have you got a cigarette?!" and most time they'll quickly hand one over before I 'mug them'.

As long as people hold stereotypes and depictions of my people, I will continue to take advantage of them. Call it getting a tiny amount of pleasure out of their predudices!!!

btw things sound bad bad bad but they ain't TERRIBLE. I usually end up dispelling any stereotypes people have of me when I talk to them, cos I'm a really nice and friendly person. You can kinda disarm someone by being genuinely nice when they expect you to be a grunt.

end of rant. Phew!

05-25-2003, 05:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
qpid Psycho Location: Detroit	I feel too white and too black I feel too black or too white for almost everything. Everyday someone tells me "You're the whitest black person I've eer met" Blacks and whites tell me this Is it wrong for a black person to like rock over jazz? to like computers over basketball? to like karaoke over the new Madden game? When did people get the idea that all black people have the same actions? How come my so-called friends who are "open" to people of different backgrounds feel the need to let me know everything I'm doing that's "wrong" I can't seem to vibe with doing stereotypical black things like watching/playing basketball, listening to rap, yelling at the evils of the white man, and more. I'm too white yet... I am black, everyone sees me as such. Security follows me around the mall, places don't give me job applications, people are friendly and nice to me to have a "black friend", conversations about race die out as soon as I walk into the room. I'm too black. No one will read this and understand. They will say they will but they won't. __________________ My army will take over the world join us or be destroyed. I am the Emperor Supreme Join the Revolution! Necrophilia - The irresistible urge to crack open a cold one

05-25-2003, 05:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	While I can't say that I completely understand, I have a good idea. I'm half Mexican and half white. I went to a school where I made up more then 10% of the minority population of the school. Grew up putting up with a lot of bullshit, and a number of fights. Sorry to hear that you have to put up with that kind of shit. __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

05-25-2003, 05:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Comedians are the worst at prolonging the gaps between races. That's all I gotta say. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

05-25-2003, 05:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I know a gal who feels the same way. I'll tell you what I told her... Why would you care? More or less what guccilvr said. Don't define yourself by your race. Identify with what you love, not what people love or don't love about you. __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

05-25-2003, 06:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
lafemmefatale Insane Location: Vancouver	Actually areal, I believe the concept of race is important...it really defines you as a person. Not your personality, but it makes up the identity. Stereotypes are indeed inevitable and that should just get the hell out of the society, but race and ethnicity and culture and all the rest of it is very relevant to our lives. A girl in my school is japanese. She is so completely whitewashed, there is nothig about her that's japanese except her physical appearance. I don't mean she's not japanese by not liking pokemon and RPGs and j-pop and whatnot...it's the fact that she knows othing about her background...like japanese history, language, customs...NOTHING, and that's tragic. In summary: liking rock and computers is a part of the personality...being a part of a certain race shouldn't make a difference, but race is important because it gives you a historical background, and that should still be respected...but not stereotyped. __________________ -poor is the man whose pleasure depends on the permission of another-

05-25-2003, 05:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I said this in the other thread.. fuck what everyone thinks you should act like. You are who you are and you shouldn't apologize for it. Who cares if you like rock over jazz. It doesn't make you less black or less of a person. Everyone is unique in their own sense. If we weren't then it would suck. This might be a horrible analogy but take Lenny Kravitz,do you think he cares if he's considered less black? I doubt it. He makes the music he likes and makes the $$ while he's doin it. So I say just be who you are and you'll always be happy.

05-25-2003, 05:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
arael Banned	The whole concept of race is evil. Stereotypes however is inevitable..... That's just how our brain function. I'm sorry if you feel this way. I can't claim to understand the situation but i believe you shouldn't define your action as black or white but rather seperately. Your action is define by your uniqueness, by yourself. Don't let others convince your somethign is black or white. It's your own action. You decide what it is and decide what you want to do. Don't let race be a barrier or a burden

05-25-2003, 06:14 PM	#8 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	qpid, i wanna say don't worry about it. but i see you do. sorry I have this kind of problem, being in da chair and all - being stereotyped. basically, if someone says you should like this or that, put them in their place, dude. stand up for yourself. it is complete fucking bullshit saying your color dictates your lifestyle/music. egads. tell 'em to go buy In Living Color or Killswitch or Bad Brains. try not to worry too muhc about it.. sad fact of life: most people are incredably ignorant. fuck em.

05-25-2003, 06:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
qpid Psycho Location: Detroit	Thanks all I try not to worry but as it was said before stereotypes are a part of life. I go to U of M (michigan) and there is a lot of talks going around regarding Affirmative Action, you must be for or against one or the other, if you are a minority you must be for, apparently. No one cares to discuss this stuff with me because "it would be useless, i already know what you are going to say" i guess im just feeling down today and this is one more thing. i guess what it really comes down to is loneliness. I mean it's hard to find people to be friends with or hang out with because inevitably something about race will come up. i want people who will accept me for me but all the people i think will eventually come to a head with the realization that I'm not who they thought I was. I don't listen to the "correct" form of music, I don't talk "correctly", I don't have the right beliefs. It might be easier to make business cards with my personality traits and likes/dislikes, beliefs, and life histroy on it and pass it out to people when I first meet them __________________ My army will take over the world join us or be destroyed. I am the Emperor Supreme Join the Revolution! Necrophilia - The irresistible urge to crack open a cold one

05-25-2003, 06:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
krwlz Fledgling Dead Head Location: Clarkson U.	Dude, two things. First, COME HERE! Race doesnt matter! In fact I didn't know you were black until you mentioned it here, and i wouldn't care anyway! Dude What is your opnion on affirmative action? Second, I grew up where we had one black kid in our grade, so I am sure he felt the same way, but no one really pays it any attention. In the end people are people, not blacks and whites. As long as you advocate that (and not the "evils of whites" as you put it) more people will probably accept you. Maybe I am wrong, but I hope not. I am after all just some dumb kid from the sticks...

05-25-2003, 07:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
SexyCat Meow Location: Michigan	All I got to say on this subject is that I love you for you and that will never change. Fuck everyone else, they are not worth your time!

05-26-2003, 05:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Frowning Budah Slave of Fear	I think it is all relative. Where I come from we had so few blacks there were very few stereotypes and they were treated just like everyone else. It was the Mexicans everybody blamed for everything and looked down on. I have a friend in Europe and they are down on the Turks and couldn't careless abt the Black or the Mexicans. Unfortunately it just seems we have to have someone we hold up for blame or ridicule.

05-26-2003, 10:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	if the world would fucking GROW UP it'd be you're black, white, asian, hispanic, perfect health, bad health, disabled, blind, deaf, gay, straight, male or female, you have rightst o work and health care. if only i think the biggest problem we have is some of minorities really, really abuse their status. then when you get some minorities trying to be EQUAL all the other people remember is the abuser. its a shame and its sad. we all need to embrace equality. and that means turning down positive offers if you're a minority also. we're all human. we all should be treated equally. nothing more, nothing less.

05-26-2003, 10:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Damn I wish there were more black people like you. I'm sick of stereotypical black guys. Seriously though, don't listen to what people say about you. Just be yourself. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard.

05-26-2003, 11:11 AM	#17 (permalink)
Minx Junkie Location: Up yonder	It shouldn't matter what color any of us are (unless you're blue, then someone better call a doctor). Ideally we should be judged by who we are on the inside. Obviously people will pigeon-hole people based on race, religion, etc. without even meaning to at times. Fair....no, it isn't. I believe no matter where you come from or what sex you are, there are good people and bad people and not everyone follows the typical path. While I can't say I can understand exactly what you go through I can imagine how totally frustrating it would be to be judged upon sight rather than experience. __________________ You've been a naughty boy....go to my room!

05-26-2003, 11:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
bullgoose Insane Location: Central N.Y.	I saw this thread earlier, and I decided not to respond. It appears like lots of other folks didn't agree with me, so I'll throw in my $0.02. qpid, if you hadn't posted this, I would never have known you weren't a white guy; now that I know, I'll just forget it, because it doesn't mean a God-damned thing; I take people as I find them, I DON'T automatically judge them by their skin color. I'm white; I'm also a huge fan of the Blues; not that crap that goes by the name today, I'm talking about delta blues; does the fact that I'm white have any bearing on that? Hell no!! I also like a lot of Afro-American actors; I'm white though, so is it OK? You bet your ass it is, this racial stereotyping bullshit is just plain stupid; if I like someone, I don't give a shit if they're PLAID, I like the person, not their skin. Don't even consider your color; you strike me as the type of guy that people accept because you're a nice guy; lighten up on yourself, life will be a lot easier. __________________ "If I had it to do all over, I'd do it all over you."

05-26-2003, 10:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
Somenosuke Insane Location: The 7th Level..	qpid, I know how you feel. Feel free to PM me if you like on this subject.. __________________ Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. Yes is the answer.

05-27-2003, 03:03 AM	#21 (permalink)
BuDDaH The Matrix had a point... Moderator Emeritus Location: 10th Mountain ASB Fort Drum, N.Y.	Keep it out in the open.. I'll jump in on the thread in a second. I'll say this though: I know what you feel. I gotten that while being here, growing up in New York City and then on the other side living in the WHITEST country on the planet for almost 12 years. (FINLAND) I'll add on my 2 cents after enough responses.. __________________ I'd hit that so hard whoever could pull me out would become King of England!

05-27-2003, 05:34 AM	#22 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	I would respect you much more if you were your own person and did what YOU wanted to do, not what others percieve you should be doing. __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

06-10-2003, 01:07 PM	#23 (permalink)
HiThereDear Insane	That's exactly what he is doing. It doesn't mean that the actions of the people around him don't bother him. I respect him much more for continuing to do what he wants despite them. Last edited by HiThereDear; 06-13-2003 at 01:35 AM..

06-10-2003, 02:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
Loki Psycho Location: Drifting.	i dunnae about all of this... Stereotypes are generally odd. According to a North American who's watched too much of a certain crocodile hunter show... Every day, as soon as i get up, i should dodge the plethora of snakes roaming on the floor, go out the door, wrestle the waiting crocodile, and make a kangaroo carry me to work. sounds stupid doesnt it? yet, through the years, i've had each and every one of those statements asked to me by random american people when they have found out that i am from Australia. What im trying to get at here is that stereotypes are typically created when people who know little want to sound like they know a lot.

06-10-2003, 09:57 PM	#28 (permalink)
roothorick Upright Location: Wisconsin, US	I'm roothorick. I have no so-called "official" name, I technically don't live anywhere (unless you count that I am the alter ego of some idiot living in Wisconsin), I'm not of any race, hell I don't have a mother. I am not Ben Anderson. I am not white. I am not half german half norwegian. I am roothorick. I am an online identity with no important correlation to the person I exist in. It's that damn simple. But people don't like that. Yeah, I'd say that I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I said it before and I'll say it again, don't EVER inquiry about my age. And people still ask, sometimes rudely enough to email me personally. Do you really want to know? Fine. Technically, I was fully realized as a person roughly one year ago. That'd make me only one year old, right? There, you have your answer. Next you'll want to know what I had for breakfast. I DON'T EAT, OKAY? I wish I were joking. But this is reality for me. I'd ask you not to laugh, but you're going to anyway. __________________ You shall not listen to me, and you shall not ignore any nonsense before me, nor make any idols representing my nonsense, for I AM THE NONSENSE, and there is no other nonsense besides me.

06-11-2003, 01:40 AM	#29 (permalink)
Pyrate Psycho Location: London, CorBlimeyLand	Hell, you're wrong there qpid. I understand totally. Do you know what it's like when you say you're learning Japanese and programming, and the person you're talking to goes: "Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!! How come?" Or someone goes: "Ooooohhh you're pretty tall. You should become a basketball player." I reply with sarcasm, (If appropriate): "You're taller than me. Why don't YOU try it?" "Weeeeeeeeeellll, it's not really my thing..." What they are saying is, in all practicality, "You're black. I'm, white. you SHOULD play basketball, it's your 'thing', even if you're short and you aren't really interested in it" Ridiculous. It's like every black guy, midget to giant, is a 'tall, potential basketball player' No one understands how I can sit on a pc for a good two hours posting away on the likes of this board. They expect me to be at the fucking football cage, acting ornery and loud, bunning spliffs all day. Ok ok, so I bun weed, but hey, wtf, half the world is doing it. No one understands what I see in aggressive rollerblading, except other bladers and my closest friend, who is also black. I'm supposed to be a bloody well basketballer. Failing that, a footballer (soccer). People look at me funny when I step onto Dance Dance Euromix in Trocadero or Namco. The Japanese tourists are fine with it (they have respect), the fine young chicks are fine with it (they love me!), hell, even some of those white British guys are fine with it (they're friendly and safe), but nooooo! A black youth sees you dancing away on the machine and you're a 'pussy', or a 'neek'. Unless you're playing Time Crisis of course. You see, THAT game involves light guns, so they have no problem with me playing that. It's a fucked a world, people, but at the same time it's great! 1. Being a black youth I can enjoy the comfort of a full seat on a bus. 2. I can put my feet up on crowded train and no one would dare ask me to move them. 3. I can run for a bus when all lazy sloth like unhealthy others trot at the pace of the traffic. 4. If I want to use the free (occupied) Gamecube Demo cubicle in Virgin Megastore, all I have to do is stand threateningly close to the person and big out my chest. Watch as the (usually white) occupant magically disappears! 5. If I haven't got any cigarettes left, I just say to someone smoking "Oi, have you got a cigarette?!" and most time they'll quickly hand one over before I 'mug them'. As long as people hold stereotypes and depictions of my people, I will continue to take advantage of them. Call it getting a tiny amount of pleasure out of their predudices!!! btw things sound bad bad bad but they ain't TERRIBLE. I usually end up dispelling any stereotypes people have of me when I talk to them, cos I'm a really nice and friendly person. You can kinda disarm someone by being genuinely nice when they expect you to be a grunt. end of rant. Phew! __________________ ?