10 Necessary Qualities in a woman - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Shauk · 10-01-2007, 02:01 PM

saw the thread in ladies lounge here.

so since us guys can't post there, here we go...
and in the same vein

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I'd like to request that in order to make this list highly pertinent, we leave out things that are essentially generally accepted, like good hygenie and doesn't torture kittens. Those are no-brainers. Make this specific to you and what you want out of life.

Also, try to make it positive-oriented; not "Not Possessive". "Not Possessive" does not describe the specifics of what you actually want.

I guess I'll start with what I got.

1. Relatively "in shape", admittedly shallow in some regards, since I'm highly turned off by obesity, but it ties in to the energy level of the person as well. I'm not talking supermodel thin either, but just not like twice the weight you should be.
2. Energetic "capable" Again sometimes I like to go out for an entire day on foot, be it urban exploration, camping, or whatever. I'm not always active so...
3. Chill, The ability to relax and properly assess when it is a good time to relax. I have had issues with people being extremely neurotic about things that just dont matter when all I wanted to do was relax and have a nice day off together.
4. Intellectual. The ability to hold a conversation about various aspects of the finer points of life, Philosophy, Religion, politics (minimally), Sociology, and the more geek side of life, Technology, gaming, music, art.
5. A genuine love of music. Not the type of person who's content with what tv and radio feeds them, someone who will spend their entire day off (but not every day off) just sometimes looking and listening to people/bands/artists that they've never heard before, has an interest in the industry and how it is modeled.
6. Demanding... strange one huh? well, I find this one to be helpful to me due to my own personal flaw of being content with routine. I need someone to keep me on my toes, to present challenges and goals for me to attain that I may have otherwise overlooked. I look at life like a game, I request the synergy that you would find between a game designer and a player of said game.
7. Driven... kind of the flipside of the previous. If I present a challenge or a goal to a person, something I know they are capable of, I'd like to see that come to life.
8. Sexual, and good at it. Again, maybe shallow of me, I don't care, if you suck in bed, you're gone. I can't be bothered to breath life into someone who lays there like a corpse and expects me to want to repeat that experience with them. Not offended by porn or the topic of sex, perhaps even a little fascinated by it.

9. Independent. Not someone who's going to expect me to work full time to support them because I have my own goals. Attaining those would allow me to live comfortably.
10. and the biggest one, ability to trust. I know I have to earn it, but I am someone that measures himself up to achieving the standard of being trustworthy. I find a wallet that is full of money and isn't mine, I return it, someone tells me something in confidence, I do my best to keep it to myself, if I commit to an exclusive relationship, I wouldn't cheat on that person, period. I hate dealing with a year of sorting out your ghosts in the closet about how xyz did this or that to you, I'm not that person, don't measure me against scum, it's insulting. Likewise, I wan't to be able to trust the person i'm with

the smaller things.
non smoker
law abiding (except for piracy, and traffic, I can handle that)
no children
no STD's

I could probably make a large list but this will suffice for now in the nature of "10"

and, balls in your court gents.

Infinite_Loser · 10-01-2007, 02:02 PM

[threadjack]How come there's no forum for men only?[/threadjack]

The_Jazz · 10-01-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser

[threadjack]How come there's no forum for men only?[/threadjack]

Because TFP is already predominantly male, and it seems pretty superfluous.

Beyond that I will add "born a woman". My own personal requirement and not necessarily reflective of the rest of the gender.

uncle phil · 10-01-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Beyond that I will add "born a woman". My own personal requirement and not necessarily reflective of the rest of the gender.

that's a start...

LS1RX8 · 10-01-2007, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk

saw the thread in ladies lounge here.

so since us guys can't post there, here we go...
and in the same vein

I guess I'll start with what I got.

1. Relatively "in shape", admittedly shallow in some regards, since I'm highly turned off by obesity, but it ties in to the energy level of the person as well. I'm not talking supermodel thin either, but just not like twice the weight you should be.
2. Energetic "capable" Again sometimes I like to go out for an entire day on foot, be it urban exploration, camping, or whatever. I'm not always active so...
3. Chill, The ability to relax and properly assess when it is a good time to relax. I have had issues with people being extremely neurotic about things that just dont matter when all I wanted to do was relax and have a nice day off together.
4. Intellectual. The ability to hold a conversation about various aspects of the finer points of life, Philosophy, Religion, politics (minimally), Sociology, and the more geek side of life, Technology, gaming, music, art.
5. A genuine love of music. Not the type of person who's content with what tv and radio feeds them, someone who will spend their entire day off (but not every day off) just sometimes looking and listening to people/bands/artists that they've never heard before, has an interest in the industry and how it is modeled.
6. Demanding... strange one huh? well, I find this one to be helpful to me due to my own personal flaw of being content with routine. I need someone to keep me on my toes, to present challenges and goals for me to attain that I may have otherwise overlooked. I look at life like a game, I request the synergy that you would find between a game designer and a player of said game.
7. Driven... kind of the flipside of the previous. If I present a challenge or a goal to a person, something I know they are capable of, I'd like to see that come to life.
8. Sexual, and good at it. Again, maybe shallow of me, I don't care, if you suck in bed, you're gone. I can't be bothered to breath life into someone who lays there like a corpse and expects me to want to repeat that experience with them. Not offended by porn or the topic of sex, perhaps even a little fascinated by it.

9. Independent. Not someone who's going to expect me to work full time to support them because I have my own goals. Attaining those would allow me to live comfortably.
10. and the biggest one, ability to trust. I know I have to earn it, but I am someone that measures himself up to achieving the standard of being trustworthy. I find a wallet that is full of money and isn't mine, I return it, someone tells me something in confidence, I do my best to keep it to myself, if I commit to an exclusive relationship, I wouldn't cheat on that person, period. I hate dealing with a year of sorting out your ghosts in the closet about how xyz did this or that to you, I'm not that person, don't measure me against scum, it's insulting. Likewise, I wan't to be able to trust the person i'm with

the smaller things.
non smoker
law abiding (except for piracy, and traffic, I can handle that)
no children
no STD's

I could probably make a large list but this will suffice for now in the nature of "10"

and, balls in your court gents.

Not a bad start, but I would include an interest in cars, the more the better (but not more than me

) and an interest in sports.

Plan9 · 10-01-2007, 02:38 PM

Not shallow, Shauk... physical fitness matters a lot since we (the males) want to mount the healthy ones and have them mother our legions.

Shauk · 10-01-2007, 02:48 PM

so when are you guys going to post 10? or am I the only one with the attention span? haha wow. come on now. Maybe a mod needs to wipe out the threadjack posts and start this stuff over.

albania · 10-01-2007, 02:50 PM

I have to say The Jazz is onto something. Beyond alive and of age I'm not really sure what to add. 10 necessary things idk:

I guess smart and funny would be the only two requirements. I don't mean book smart or even street smart maybe just confident enough not to be impressed so easily. I hate hearing people tell me I'm smart, to me it implies they're dumb.

Funny, only in so far as they can appreciate my sense of humor since about 80% of what I say in a face to face conversation (non work or school related) is probably meant to make someone laugh. I believe I can hold an intelligent conversation. At times, I can even impress in eloquence. However, what I find funny ranges from silly, usually not that funny and sometimes childish to dry British wit(read: sill, usually not that funny and sometimes childish).

Really though even those two are probably not necessary. Maybe the funny one is, but I don't see how anyone would want to be with me if they didn't appreciate my sense of humor.

Arc101 · 10-01-2007, 03:29 PM

In no order:

1) Warm
2) Tactile – I like some who likes to be held.
3) Caring – Dislike people who think they are the centre of the universe
4) Smile – Someone who smiles a lot and has a nice smile.
5) Intelligent – Not a member of Mensa but just someone who can hold a good conservation about the things they care about.
6) Non-smoker – I’m not bother about looks, money or any crap like that. But just don’t like the smell and can’t stand to kiss someone who has smoked.
7) Relaxing – Just someone I feel I can relax with, and I don’t feel I have to fill every gap with conversation
8) Independent – Someone who does not mind doing things on their own, and has their own interests and hobbies which I do not have to take part unless I want to.
9) Forgiving – Probably a bit much to ask for, but someone who does not remind me of something I have done wrong x months ago during a argument.
10) Loyalty –Very important. I have never cheated on anyone, and being cheated on is not something I can forgive.

Martian · 10-01-2007, 03:50 PM

I'll bite.

1. Intelligence. Big, big, big. I don't expect her to have read all the books I've read or to be knowledgeable on the subjects that I am, but a thirst for knowledge is huge. I also like people who can teach me new things.

2. Sense of humour. Sometimes I'm a goof. If she's not going to be a goof with me, then she at least needs to be able to laugh at me and not be embarrassed.

3. Good looking. Call it shallow if you like, but the bottom line is, I don't date girls for their personality. I'll be friends with girls for their personality, but the ones I date are the ones I'm physically attracted to.

4. Sense of direction. I know where my life is going. I have a 5 year plan. I will not tie myself down to someone who has no direction and is content to serve fries for twenty years.

5. Independent. I have no intention of being anyone's babysitter and I'm not about to attach myself to someone who can't stand on their own. I have my own shit to deal with, I don't need hers on top of it.

6. Musically inclined. A very large portion of my life revolves around music. I am a musician and I have very strong and diverse interests in the music I listen to. This is so much a part of who I am, I cannot imagine having a relationship with someone who doesn't share my passion. She doesn't have to enjoy music to the same degree and certainly doesn't have to prefer the same genres I do, but there has to be some interest.

7. A good cook. I'm not much of a cook and I know it. Therefore, I'd simply call this a point of compatibility. I will happily clean up the kitchen every single night if I've got someone who can cook for me.

8. A quiet soul. I'm a quiet guy, and I lead a quiet life. I don't mind going out once in a while, but there are going to be nights when I just want to curl up with a good book. Therefore, she has to be able to appreciate a quiet night in.

9. Accepting. I've come through a lot to be the person I am today and I am overall quite happy with who I am. I'm not gonna change for anyone but myself and anyone who tries to change me will be shown the door. I am who I am, take it or leave it.

10. Sexual. I've been with a girl who just lay there and figured she'd done her part because she'd let me in her pants. Nuh-uh; sex isn't something you let me do, it's something we do together. If I'm going to be the only participant, I might as well go jerk off. And if that's the case, I don't really need you to begin with.

Ustwo · 10-01-2007, 04:09 PM

Making a list of what makes your ideal woman is really a way to die lonely if you take it seriously.

Look for someone you can have fun with, and the rest will sort itself out.

uncle phil · 10-01-2007, 04:40 PM

this thread really does belong in "nonsense..."

any other votes?

QuasiMondo · 10-01-2007, 04:56 PM

I don't need ten, I just need one.

Not Crazy.

analog · 10-01-2007, 05:03 PM

I just find it funny that either sex would bother to specify "in a man" or "in a woman" when it could just as easily have been an all-users enterprise to begin with.

I'm not saying it was wrong or anything, I'm just saying it's funny.

MSD · 10-01-2007, 05:50 PM

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Every time I've thought that someone would have to look, act, think, or be a certain way to be attractive, someone would come along and prove me wrong. I mean sure, if I could describe the "perfect woman" I could say I want a redheaded supermodel with a Harvard law degree who likes cars and guns, but life doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by analog

I just find it funny that either sex would bother to specify "in a man" or "in a woman" when it could just as easily have been an all-users enterprise to begin with.

I'm not saying it was wrong or anything, I'm just saying it's funny.

It's in response to the Ladies' Lounge thread.

Willravel · 10-01-2007, 06:06 PM

1) Two x chromosomes. No exceptions. Sorry, fellers.
2) Smart. I want a woman to kick my ass, mentally.
3) Fit. Even if it only means a consistent and honest effort without decent results, I'd like a woman who exercises and treats her body with respect.
4) Likes science fiction. Not just tolerates, but likes scifi.
5) Wants or has kids. No exceptions. If you don't want kids, we're not on the same page.
6) Can stand up for herself. I'll protect a woman with my life, but it's amazing when she can also smile and say "I've got it" and take care of herself if she feels like it.
7) Confidence. I'm cool with meek people, but I'd rather not date one.
8) Must love dogs. I'm not a cat person, I'm a dog person. I'll always have a dog.
9) No mental illnesses. If my SO needs help, I'll help, but I won't be codependent.
10) Love to laugh. Nuff said.

Infinite_Loser · 10-01-2007, 06:28 PM

1.) Not my ex.
2.) Not my ex.
3.) Not my ex.
4.) Not my ex.
5.) Not my ex.
6.) Not my ex.
7.) Not my ex.
8.) Not my ex.
9.) Not my ex.
10.) Not my ex.

Sultana · 10-01-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

Making a list of what makes your ideal woman is really a way to die lonely if you take it seriously.

Look for someone you can have fun with, and the rest will sort itself out.

Aim at nothing, you'll hit it every time. :P

squeeeb · 10-01-2007, 07:08 PM

i only have 3

1: female born
2: human
3: willing

i can't really be more picky than that

DaveOrion · 10-01-2007, 07:16 PM

I dont think its a matter of aiming at nothing, just aiming to find the perfect mate, when nobody is perfect to begin with. If you found 'your' perfect guy and he didn't like cats, would that be a dealbreaker??? Compromise is a part of any relationship, those who wont often end up alone.

btw, I love cats.

Cynthetiq · 10-01-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sultana

Aim at nothing, you'll hit it every time. :P

True.

same as:
If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

That said, Skogafoss didn't meet any of my original 10. If I was to honsestly create the 10 again I'm sure that she'd still be missing a few qualities.

Maybe I don't even need 10.

1. Communication, doesn't expect me to be psychic and communicates her feelings directly to me. No guessing.
2. Can be independent yet dependent. I don't need her to be around, but I want her to be around. Generally I can do other things and she's not involved, I just like knowing she's in the other room.

eh... I guess this was always my meter in some way:

Quote:

Somebody - Depeche Mode
I want somebody to share
Share the rest of my life
Share my innermost thoughts
Know my intimate details
Someone who'll stand by my side
And give me support
And in return
She'll get my support
She will listen to me
When I want to speak
About the world we live in
And life in general
Though my views may be wrong
They may even be perverted
She'll hear me out
And won't easily be converted
To my way of thinking
In fact shell often disagree
But at the end of it all
She will understand me
Aaaahhhhh....

I want somebody who cares
For me passionately
With every thought and
With every breath
Someone who'll help me see things
In a different light
All the things I detest
I will almost like
I don't want to be tied
To anyones strings
I'm carefully trying to steer clear of
Those things
But when I'm asleep
I want somebody
Who will put their arms around me
And kiss me tenderly
Though things like this
Make me sick
In a case like this
Ill get away with it
Aaaahhhhh....

Ustwo · 10-01-2007, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sultana

Aim at nothing, you'll hit it every time. :P

When I meet the guy/girl looking for a

1. Out of shape
2. Lazy
3. Uptight
4. Vapid
5. Music hating
6. Apathetic
7. Unmotivated
8. Asexual
9. Codependent
10. Untrustworthy

Woman/Man then I'll think that maybe making a list isn't so pointless.

The only really unique things on the list are personal likes and dislikes which to me seem pretty negotiable.

You meet the love of your life, that perfect woman in all ways, but she just doesn't like your type of music or choice of pet its a deal breaker? I'd rather doubt it.

My wife hates my musical tastes, doesn't enjoy a lot of what I like to eat, and we have different tastes in a lot of our entertainment, but I'd say we are perfect together.

Now if we were talking 'ideal' thats different but we are talking 'necessary'.

analog · 10-01-2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

It's in response to the Ladies' Lounge thread.

Oh, I know... I was commenting on it being created first in the Ladies Lounge for that purpose, and then funny as it's created here in General Discussion to "offset" it.

As for me... (with specific thanks to squeeeb for the first few) in no particular order:

(1.) Born a female
(2.) Human
(3.) Genuine
(4.) Sense of humor- specifically, loves MY sense of humor.
(5.) Attractive (there are many things that make a woman physically attractive- from eyes to boobs to the curve in her hips. I won't list them because different combinations of qualities make for very attractive women, there are no real absolutes- must at least have a nice ass, though. lol)
(6.) Smart
(7.) Sexual creature- loves sex.
(8.) Can enjoy the "quiet times"... sitting and watching a movie or TV show (I love movies, if you didn't know)
(9.) Not high-maintenance... to me, a high-maintenance woman is one who can't even really unwind in the lone presence of their S.O. I've been told many times of women who get dressed up for an evening of just hanging out at home- and not people who are dating, I mean established relationships). Give me a woman who likes sitting around in "jeans and a t-shirt" to be comfortable.
(10.) Doesn't mind that when I make lists, I write a lot because I feel like I need the full breadth of my opinion to be represented.

Plan9 · 10-02-2007, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sultana

Aim at nothing, you'll hit it every time. :P

or

"Aim at nothing, and you'll hit [a fat chick] every time."

Shauk · 10-02-2007, 02:58 AM

crompsin is hitting girls again, sheesh.

Crack · 10-02-2007, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser

1.) Not my ex.
2.) Not my ex.
3.) Not my ex.
4.) Not my ex.
5.) Not my ex.
6.) Not my ex.
7.) Not my ex.
8.) Not my ex.
9.) Not my ex.
10.) Not my ex.

Not Infinite_Loser's ex... she sounds a little crazy...

BadNick · 10-02-2007, 05:26 AM

As I was trying to compose my "ten", the Scout Law that I learned in the Boy Scouts crossed my mind. It surprised me that it seems mostly appropriate, but since there are twelve I dropped "obedient" and "reverent" since whatever parts of those qualities mean a lot to me can be embodied in the others:
trustworthy
loyal
helpful
friendly
courteous
kind
drop this one (obedient)
cheerful
thrifty
brave
clean
drop this one (reverent)

StanT · 10-02-2007, 08:15 AM

1. Fun - Absolutely the most important thing. You'll spend one hell of a lot of time with this person. Everything else leads to this.

2. Active - I'm not a couch potato, why would I date one. (see above)

3. Some shared interests. - I'm willing to pick up new things, I expect the same, but some degree of shared interest is necessary.

4. Intelligent - Drop dead gorgeous and stupid as a rock is fun for 1 night.

5. Shared trust - I don't cheat; but I have many female friends, deal with it. I'll do the same.

highthief · 10-02-2007, 09:40 AM

So many people are listing "born female".

Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation.

analog · 10-02-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief

So many people are listing "born female".

Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation.

I just thought it looked funny, and the list is stretched a little thin as it is, so I needed the extra fill. lol

But it's still important. lol

BadNick · 10-02-2007, 12:56 PM

On second thought and since it wasn't defined by the OP, I'm thinking it depends on my intened purposes for this subject woman. If we mean "this is for the rest of our lives, or at least a very long time" kind of relationship then what I said above is probably OK. But for less demanding relationships "sexy" could be all I want. There's a full range between those.

Arc101 · 10-02-2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief
So many people are listing "born female".

Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation.

Have you never watched The Crying Game ? Great film, and it has a part where it is perfectly ok for blokes to cry at.

Eeeraq · 10-02-2007, 06:19 PM

I think the fact of the matter that there isn't a dudes only place is the sexism inherent in the system, not just a predominance issue.

that being said.

[threadjack] WAY EASIER TO DESCRIBE THE 10 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR A WOMAN NOT TO HAVE!

1 Obesity. Seriously. I'm not shallow, I just can't understand the lack of self control and motivation to slip that far into the depths of unhealthy-itude. Seriously.

2 Extreme Jealousy. Just trust me god dammit. F'real.

3 Bad Hygiene. I mean, even if they don't shower for weeks, it might be ok. Its just relative to how absolutely horrible they smell and when.

4 Lack of Manners. Only the ones that get in the way of my pet peeves. For example... Extremely loud, greasy, repulsive chewing. Yuck.

5 Mood swings (to the extreme again). God Dammit! you were just happy 5 seconds ago! Why are you crying and hitting me?!!?

6 Feminism. I'm human, you're human, fuck what's under our bathing suits. (literally?)

7 Stupidity. I guarantee it, 90 percent of the abercrombie, american eagle wearin', mind-blowingly hot chicks out there are grade-A Nincompoops. Teen comedies and Girls Gone Wild prove it.

8 Overly Competitive. These girls just have to beat you at everything, but rarely do, and then your sex life with 'em suffers for weeks as a result (Even if you let 'em win, They Know Somehow! Dammit!). And when they do win fair and square, They rub it in your sportsmanship-filled face, and then your sex life with 'em suffers for weeks as a result.

9 Religious. I'm sorry, but, no.

10 Low self image. Trust me beautiful, You're Beautiful! You're Just saying that! (bathroom door slams... crying... phone call to sister (now shes mad at you)) dot dot dot.

[no end tag! hahahahah!!!!]

Plan9 · 10-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief

So many people are listing "born female".

Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation.

You think that shit is funny... until you hear about all the trannies on Bragg Boulevard. They wear scarves to cover their Adam's apples.

Apparently, back in '03, some guy in my unit picked up one and banged he/she/it out... felt the balls on his thigh... but just kept going.

(blows chunks into a brown paper bag)

Ergh.

(leaves bag in thread)

ottopilot · 10-02-2007, 06:42 PM

At first, I always wanted to be surprised. What was surprising and how I reacted was totally up to me. It's OK to have lists as a general "weed-out" criteria, but you're setting yourself up for missing out on those uncharted adventures. The one's you can't even imagine because you have no frame of reference.

For my "weed-out" list, beyond the original ten offered in the OP... I pretty much agree with the basics. But since I'm now over 30, I find that I cannot trust a woman that won't wear jeans (or whatever) or go W/O makeup ... it's part of that whole being able to kick back and be comfortable.

Fortunately for me, I married an amazing woman. She's the girl in my avatar.

Ustwo · 10-02-2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highthief

So many people are listing "born female".

Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation.

Didnt' we have a 5 page thread on this last year?

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Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Not shallow, Shauk... physical fitness matters a lot since we (the males) want to mount the healthy ones and have them mother our legions. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

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Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	I'll bite. 1. Intelligence. Big, big, big. I don't expect her to have read all the books I've read or to be knowledgeable on the subjects that I am, but a thirst for knowledge is huge. I also like people who can teach me new things. 2. Sense of humour. Sometimes I'm a goof. If she's not going to be a goof with me, then she at least needs to be able to laugh at me and not be embarrassed. 3. Good looking. Call it shallow if you like, but the bottom line is, I don't date girls for their personality. I'll be friends with girls for their personality, but the ones I date are the ones I'm physically attracted to. 4. Sense of direction. I know where my life is going. I have a 5 year plan. I will not tie myself down to someone who has no direction and is content to serve fries for twenty years. 5. Independent. I have no intention of being anyone's babysitter and I'm not about to attach myself to someone who can't stand on their own. I have my own shit to deal with, I don't need hers on top of it. 6. Musically inclined. A very large portion of my life revolves around music. I am a musician and I have very strong and diverse interests in the music I listen to. This is so much a part of who I am, I cannot imagine having a relationship with someone who doesn't share my passion. She doesn't have to enjoy music to the same degree and certainly doesn't have to prefer the same genres I do, but there has to be some interest. 7. A good cook. I'm not much of a cook and I know it. Therefore, I'd simply call this a point of compatibility. I will happily clean up the kitchen every single night if I've got someone who can cook for me. 8. A quiet soul. I'm a quiet guy, and I lead a quiet life. I don't mind going out once in a while, but there are going to be nights when I just want to curl up with a good book. Therefore, she has to be able to appreciate a quiet night in. 9. Accepting. I've come through a lot to be the person I am today and I am overall quite happy with who I am. I'm not gonna change for anyone but myself and anyone who tries to change me will be shown the door. I am who I am, take it or leave it. 10. Sexual. I've been with a girl who just lay there and figured she'd done her part because she'd let me in her pants. Nuh-uh; sex isn't something you let me do, it's something we do together. If I'm going to be the only participant, I might as well go jerk off. And if that's the case, I don't really need you to begin with. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

10-01-2007, 04:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Making a list of what makes your ideal woman is really a way to die lonely if you take it seriously. Look for someone you can have fun with, and the rest will sort itself out. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-01-2007, 04:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
uncle phil comfortably numb... Super Moderator Location: upstate	this thread really does belong in "nonsense..." any other votes? __________________ "We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done." - Robert S. McNamara ----------------------------------------- "We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches... We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles." - Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message" ----------------------------------------- never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty; the pig likes it.

10-01-2007, 02:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	so when are you guys going to post 10? or am I the only one with the attention span? haha wow. come on now. Maybe a mod needs to wipe out the threadjack posts and start this stuff over.

10-01-2007, 02:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
albania Psycho	I have to say The Jazz is onto something. Beyond alive and of age I'm not really sure what to add. 10 necessary things idk: I guess smart and funny would be the only two requirements. I don't mean book smart or even street smart maybe just confident enough not to be impressed so easily. I hate hearing people tell me I'm smart, to me it implies they're dumb. Funny, only in so far as they can appreciate my sense of humor since about 80% of what I say in a face to face conversation (non work or school related) is probably meant to make someone laugh. I believe I can hold an intelligent conversation. At times, I can even impress in eloquence. However, what I find funny ranges from silly, usually not that funny and sometimes childish to dry British wit(read: sill, usually not that funny and sometimes childish). Really though even those two are probably not necessary. Maybe the funny one is, but I don't see how anyone would want to be with me if they didn't appreciate my sense of humor.

10-01-2007, 03:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
Arc101 Addict Location: Nottingham, England	In no order: 1) Warm 2) Tactile – I like some who likes to be held. 3) Caring – Dislike people who think they are the centre of the universe 4) Smile – Someone who smiles a lot and has a nice smile. 5) Intelligent – Not a member of Mensa but just someone who can hold a good conservation about the things they care about. 6) Non-smoker – I’m not bother about looks, money or any crap like that. But just don’t like the smell and can’t stand to kiss someone who has smoked. 7) Relaxing – Just someone I feel I can relax with, and I don’t feel I have to fill every gap with conversation 8) Independent – Someone who does not mind doing things on their own, and has their own interests and hobbies which I do not have to take part unless I want to. 9) Forgiving – Probably a bit much to ask for, but someone who does not remind me of something I have done wrong x months ago during a argument. 10) Loyalty –Very important. I have never cheated on anyone, and being cheated on is not something I can forgive.

10-01-2007, 04:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	I don't need ten, I just need one. Not Crazy. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

10-01-2007, 05:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
analog Banned	I just find it funny that either sex would bother to specify "in a man" or "in a woman" when it could just as easily have been an all-users enterprise to begin with. I'm not saying it was wrong or anything, I'm just saying it's funny.

10-01-2007, 06:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	1) Two x chromosomes. No exceptions. Sorry, fellers. 2) Smart. I want a woman to kick my ass, mentally. 3) Fit. Even if it only means a consistent and honest effort without decent results, I'd like a woman who exercises and treats her body with respect. 4) Likes science fiction. Not just tolerates, but likes scifi. 5) Wants or has kids. No exceptions. If you don't want kids, we're not on the same page. 6) Can stand up for herself. I'll protect a woman with my life, but it's amazing when she can also smile and say "I've got it" and take care of herself if she feels like it. 7) Confidence. I'm cool with meek people, but I'd rather not date one. 8) Must love dogs. I'm not a cat person, I'm a dog person. I'll always have a dog. 9) No mental illnesses. If my SO needs help, I'll help, but I won't be codependent. 10) Love to laugh. Nuff said.

10-01-2007, 06:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Infinite_Loser Junkie Location: Lake Mary, FL	1.) Not my ex. 2.) Not my ex. 3.) Not my ex. 4.) Not my ex. 5.) Not my ex. 6.) Not my ex. 7.) Not my ex. 8.) Not my ex. 9.) Not my ex. 10.) Not my ex. __________________ I believe in equality; Everyone is equally inferior to me.

10-01-2007, 07:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
squeeeb part of the problem Location: hic et ubique	i only have 3 1: female born 2: human 3: willing i can't really be more picky than that __________________ onward to mayhem!

10-01-2007, 07:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	I dont think its a matter of aiming at nothing, just aiming to find the perfect mate, when nobody is perfect to begin with. If you found 'your' perfect guy and he didn't like cats, would that be a dealbreaker??? Compromise is a part of any relationship, those who wont often end up alone. btw, I love cats. __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

10-02-2007, 02:58 AM	#25 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	crompsin is hitting girls again, sheesh.

10-02-2007, 05:26 AM	#27 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	As I was trying to compose my "ten", the Scout Law that I learned in the Boy Scouts crossed my mind. It surprised me that it seems mostly appropriate, but since there are twelve I dropped "obedient" and "reverent" since whatever parts of those qualities mean a lot to me can be embodied in the others: trustworthy loyal helpful friendly courteous kind drop this one (obedient) cheerful thrifty brave clean drop this one (reverent)

10-02-2007, 08:15 AM	#28 (permalink)
StanT © Location: Colorado	1. Fun - Absolutely the most important thing. You'll spend one hell of a lot of time with this person. Everything else leads to this. 2. Active - I'm not a couch potato, why would I date one. (see above) 3. Some shared interests. - I'm willing to pick up new things, I expect the same, but some degree of shared interest is necessary. 4. Intelligent - Drop dead gorgeous and stupid as a rock is fun for 1 night. 5. Shared trust - I don't cheat; but I have many female friends, deal with it. I'll do the same.

10-02-2007, 09:40 AM	#29 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	So many people are listing "born female". Is this a secret fear of a lot of guys? Really seems an unlikely situation. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

10-02-2007, 12:56 PM	#31 (permalink)
BadNick Riding the Ocean Spray Location: S.E. PA in U Sofa	On second thought and since it wasn't defined by the OP, I'm thinking it depends on my intened purposes for this subject woman. If we mean "this is for the rest of our lives, or at least a very long time" kind of relationship then what I said above is probably OK. But for less demanding relationships "sexy" could be all I want. There's a full range between those.

10-02-2007, 06:19 PM	#33 (permalink)
Eeeraq Upright Location: Pigseye, MN	I think the fact of the matter that there isn't a dudes only place is the sexism inherent in the system, not just a predominance issue. that being said. [threadjack] WAY EASIER TO DESCRIBE THE 10 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR A WOMAN NOT TO HAVE! 1 Obesity. Seriously. I'm not shallow, I just can't understand the lack of self control and motivation to slip that far into the depths of unhealthy-itude. Seriously. 2 Extreme Jealousy. Just trust me god dammit. F'real. 3 Bad Hygiene. I mean, even if they don't shower for weeks, it might be ok. Its just relative to how absolutely horrible they smell and when. 4 Lack of Manners. Only the ones that get in the way of my pet peeves. For example... Extremely loud, greasy, repulsive chewing. Yuck. 5 Mood swings (to the extreme again). God Dammit! you were just happy 5 seconds ago! Why are you crying and hitting me?!!? 6 Feminism. I'm human, you're human, fuck what's under our bathing suits. (literally?) 7 Stupidity. I guarantee it, 90 percent of the abercrombie, american eagle wearin', mind-blowingly hot chicks out there are grade-A Nincompoops. Teen comedies and Girls Gone Wild prove it. 8 Overly Competitive. These girls just have to beat you at everything, but rarely do, and then your sex life with 'em suffers for weeks as a result (Even if you let 'em win, They Know Somehow! Dammit!). And when they do win fair and square, They rub it in your sportsmanship-filled face, and then your sex life with 'em suffers for weeks as a result. 9 Religious. I'm sorry, but, no. 10 Low self image. Trust me beautiful, You're Beautiful! You're Just saying that! (bathroom door slams... crying... phone call to sister (now shes mad at you)) dot dot dot. [no end tag! hahahahah!!!!] __________________ remeber that one time we partied all night? me neither.

10-02-2007, 06:42 PM	#35 (permalink)
ottopilot let me be clear Location: Waddy Peytona	At first, I always wanted to be surprised. What was surprising and how I reacted was totally up to me. It's OK to have lists as a general "weed-out" criteria, but you're setting yourself up for missing out on those uncharted adventures. The one's you can't even imagine because you have no frame of reference. For my "weed-out" list, beyond the original ten offered in the OP... I pretty much agree with the basics. But since I'm now over 30, I find that I cannot trust a woman that won't wear jeans (or whatever) or go W/O makeup ... it's part of that whole being able to kick back and be comfortable. Fortunately for me, I married an amazing woman. She's the girl in my avatar.