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YaWhateva · 07-18-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Not just a different organisation, it was a completely different shaped ring.

Pride was fought completely in a ring, and many other MMA organizations use a ring. That has no impact on it being MMA still. You really know how to show that you have absolutely zero knowledge of MMA.

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 08:25 AM

Even if some people obstinately want to include the fight against the 7 foot guy, it doesnt make much difference, does it?

If the champion of your sport is a former actor, who tried and failed to make it as a pro footballer, who has won 4 fights (1 against a middle aged man who had his best days in a lower weight division, and 2 against journeymen) to become the holder of the greatest belt in MMA - doesnt it give the impression that its all a bit easy?

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 08:45 AM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 09:10 AM

Of course, we havent even got to the steroid allegations about Lesner yet. I wonder if THAT was why he spent 4 years in WWF (where he wouldnt be tested for anything)?

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 09:24 AM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 09:26 AM

Yeah, he had to wait until he had the juice out of his system before he could play a real sport (with testing) - thats my guess.

Just look at the guys build - does it look natural to you?

The key argument I have made, which hasnt been answered in my opinion (just quibbling things like is he 3-1 or 4-1) - is that for a guy to come into a sport, with no professional sporting background (whether he was good at something in college or not) and get a couple of wins against opponents who arent especially strong (a guy like Mir who is a top 20 fighter, a guy like Coutre who is a puffed up Light Heavy in his 40's who is best known for being beaten by Liddell) is now the havyweight world champion

He hasnt served his dues, he hasnt earned his right to be at the peak of the sport... he simply walked into a title shot becaue he is a well known actor in a succesful franchise (World Wrestling Federation).

He's a strong man, but he's slow, one handed, unfit - and any half decent fighter, even good awkward counter puncher like Fedor should take him to pieces.

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 09:35 AM

so.. MMA can only be performed in a cage?? huh. interesting.

This is turning into another boxing vs. MMA debate, and that is simply not going to happen in this thread. If you or anyone else wants to continue that debate then dig up the old thread and restart it.

You can talk about Lesnar's career but let's leave the mma vs. boxing crap out of here.

edit: I fail to see how anyone bringing up some alleged steroid use is going to bolster an argument between the sports or shame one. Two words: Mike Tyson.

so now, go to the boxing vs. mma thread to continue that line of thought.

I personally don't like Lesnar, but I don't think he's a publicity stunt, and even if it were a publicity stunt, please tell me which sport out there doesn't use publicity stunts to gain money. Please.

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 09:41 AM

Mate, youre asking me not to bring up Boxing vs MMA, and then talking about Mike Tyson one sentence later?

Im not talking about boxing at all, I am talking about Lesner lacking the credentials of a champion

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 09:44 AM

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Mate, youre asking me not to bring up Boxing vs MMA, and then talking about Mike Tyson one sentence later?

Im not talking about boxing at all, I am talking about Lesner lacking the credentials of a champion

what credentials does one need in order to become a champion?

if an amatuer wins the British Open, is he not a champion? if a man steps into a ring and takes the belt from someone as a virtual unknown.. is he not a champion? What does a champion resemble? What *makes* a champion?

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 09:52 AM

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 09:55 AM

my buddy was ranked #4 in the nation in wrestling.. so I can tell you from experience that it's no fucking joke. Wrestling skills can help a fighter immensely in this sport.. and a 106-5 record against division I opponents is unreal.

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 10:04 AM

To be a champion you need to earn the right to call yourself the best of the best.

I dont all winning 3 or 4 fights sufficient in that.

Tennis and Golf are different sports. In a tournament its 1 against 128 or more... in MMA its 1 against 1. Lesner has beaten 2 contenders and 2 journeymen (and been beaten once himself). Does this give him the right to say he is at the pinnacle of his sport? Doe beating two serious fighters really give him the right to claim he is the best in the world? Come on!

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Lets talk about his fitness... I dont deny he is strong and I expect all his training is in strength. When has he gone 10 rounds, 12 rounds, even 6 rounds??? not once in his MMA career. This is a guy who has never win or lose gone past Round 3... that raises a huge concern for me, as does his weight and body mass. If Fedor just blocks and clinches and carries this guy I could see Lesner collapsing of exhaustion before the end of the fight, seriously.

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 10:08 AM

I don't think anyone is in here calling Lesnar the best of the best..not by any stretch.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 10:18 AM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 10:29 AM

The heavyweight world champion is SUPPOSED to be the best in the world

Its a pretty clear statement that two serious fans of the sport dont agree and are happy to say "Lesner is just the heavyweight world champion, no one says he's the best in the world..."

Its actually quite easy to understand why Lesner was a good athlete as a youth... I know a few people who had the same experience. He has always been big and strong, and as a 16, 17 year old he can use his strength to dominate bouts. Then when you get to senior sport, its a different story. Thats why he didnt become a pro, thats why he didnt make it as a footballer... instead he became an actor in WWF - my best guess (and I know he never failed a drug test in UFC) i that he juices up, gets bigger, gets a huge profile...he gets an offer from an emerging sport like MMA, manages to sneak past a couple of hand picked opponents and is given the belt... MMA gets a lot more publicity. And the first time Lesner fights a serious heavyweight fighter (like Fedor) he gets beaten up and the end of the stunt.

Then and only then will you be able to tell what sort of fighter he is, and whether he has the heart of a warrior.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 10:32 AM

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 10:33 AM

yes cricket is a sport.

this friend of mine..who is one of those people who never actively seeks anything worthwhile is one of my best friends.. we're almost like brothers.. and I'll put it to you this way, he entered into an amateur MMA contest that Serra was at, and Serra was impressed with him so much he offered to train him. So he went up to Serra's place and checked it out.. Serra wasn't pleased when my buddy tapped him out in the first round. So what does my friend do? He says.."thanks, but no thanks" and is working some lame job just floating about life.

but anyway, back to the sort of topic here.. I think that proves, at least in my mind, that wrestling does play a huge part in a sport such as MMA. While my buddy is well versed in Muay Thai and BJJ as well, the wrestling components can do nothing but help especially in close ground tactics and abilities. Dismissing a 106-5 record against the best of the best in college sports is ridiculous and silly.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 10:52 AM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 10:55 AM

A man of that size is simply not capable of fighting 12 rounds hard.

Glory's Sun · 07-18-2009, 10:57 AM

why do you think that is strange? because MMA requires so much endurance and skill that nobody could do 12 straight 5 minute rounds?

if so..then you'd be right for once.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 11:11 AM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 11:56 AM

Well, its correct that I dont know how long championship bouts are fought over... but I assume its more than 3 round exhibitions!

On topic about this fight, I believe that Fedor will carry the big American into the later rounds, and you will be able to see for yourself how well weight lifting prepares you for a real fight.

The fact that Lesner won ONE college championship in 4 years (a great achievment for an amatour and a kid, but not exactly marking his as the greatest ever) shows he has potential

But anyone who play or follows sports knows that even great potential as a youth doesnt always migrate into success as a senior. I have quite a few mates you played youth team football attached to professional teams... I have one mate who went on to have a professionl career, and he wasnt the best youth team player by a mile.

Lesner had potential... and he turned his back on it, became an actor rather than a sportsman when he couldnt make it in the pro game... through some "mysterious" training method he came out absolutely huge (but he never failed a drug test!) Tried to play football, showed some potential but got cut, ended up in MMA, and went 2-1 against real fighters and beat a couple of tomato cans and got given a belt.

Thats what you get for being a succesfull actor. He still plays the part in MMA - making silly promo's and playing the heel, even though he is in a real sport he is playing the part he learned in WWF (assuming the two wins he had were legit of course, and that Mir or Coutre didnt lay down)

Fedor ISNT a big puncher, and he isnt a strong man - but he is a clever awkard Russian with that slippery upright style - and he will pick Lesner to pieces. I repeat that I generally fear that Lesner is so bulked up, and his physique is unsuited to a real fight, that he will put his health in serious danger against a real fighter like Fedor unless he has the common sene to quit on his stool when he knows in his heart he has nothing left to give (expect this will happen round 8 at a guess), or the "MMA Equivalent" of round 8 if the UFC have some "5 minute round rule"

In 5 min rounds I predict he taps out or quits at the end of round 5 on his stool

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 12:18 PM

YaWhateva · 07-18-2009, 12:18 PM

Just so you stop looking foolish let me inform you that championship bouts are 5 5 minute rounds.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 12:21 PM

YaWhateva · 07-18-2009, 12:30 PM

haha sorry it was just annoying me already!

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 12:31 PM

Strange Famous · 07-18-2009, 12:47 PM

Actually, being fat is better than being muscle bound, in terms of cardio fitness.

Thats why a guy the size of George Foreman in his comeback could easily go 12 rounds, and Lesner would be on the floor after 8 if he cant knock his man down.

I'd probably have a 50/50 shot against the 7 foot tomato can Lesner foght first up. The other bum he fought was a tough guy with a solid chin who hasnt beaten anybody but has given a match to some big fighters in MMA.

Then there's Mir - who beat Lesner and has been beaten by him: a technically solid guy wo hasnt ever done it at the top level

And then there's a 46 year old Light Heavy.

Lesner hasnt fought any of the big names of MMA (Filipovic, Fedor, Silva, Jackson)... he was handed the belt by the marketing men.

You can talk about my ignorance as much as it makes you happy to do so - but the minute this big lummox Lesner finds himself in the ring with a real fighter he will be exposed in my opinion. Fedor would make a fool out of him.

Even the silly guy with the big beard who conducted that farce with Ray Mercer could probably knock out Lesner.

I will repeat my analysis as it has been ignored

Lesner is one dimensional
Lenser has never proved his can fight into the late rounds
Lesner is slow
Lesner is one armed and has no left at all
Lesner has the wrong build to fight professionally
Lesner hasnt proved his heart

Fedor will make a fool out of him.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 01:24 PM

m0rpheus · 07-18-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I think the fact that a professional WWF wrestler (ie - a cross between an actor and a skilled stuntman) can be a contender in MMA says a lot. For the sake of your sport Fedor needs to win and win at a canter

The fact that he's an NCAA champion has nothing to do with it? 95% of the guys in the WWE would get killed in MMA, Lesnar also left the WWE a few years back. It's not like he (despite what it seems sometimes) just jumped into the UFC and dominated.

As far as facing cans. That really couldn't be more wrong. Of his five fights only one (which was his first) could be called a can. Heath Herring is never going to be a champion but he's definetly a gate keeper. Mir's a former champion, and Couture is one of the greats of the sport.

silent_jay · 07-18-2009, 03:58 PM

m0rpheus · 07-18-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

The heavyweight world champion is SUPPOSED to be the best in the world

Its a pretty clear statement that two serious fans of the sport dont agree and are happy to say "Lesner is just the heavyweight world champion, no one says he's the best in the world..."

Why? Just because he happens to be the biggest?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

Its actually quite easy to understand why Lesner was a good athlete as a youth... I know a few people who had the same experience. He has always been big and strong, and as a 16, 17 year old he can use his strength to dominate bouts. Then when you get to senior sport, its a different story. Thats why he didnt become a pro, thats why he didnt make it as a footballer... instead he became an actor in WWF - my best guess (and I know he never failed a drug test in UFC) i that he juices up, gets bigger, gets a huge profile...he gets an offer from an emerging sport like MMA, manages to sneak past a couple of hand picked opponents and is given the belt... MMA gets a lot more publicity. And the first time Lesner fights a serious heavyweight fighter (like Fedor) he gets beaten up and the end of the stunt.

Then and only then will you be able to tell what sort of fighter he is, and whether he has the heart of a warrior.

The reason he went to the WWE? Simple, money. Pro wrestling was huge at the time and Vince McMahon saw a monster that would dwarf even the biggest of guys in the WWE. MMA wasn't even on the radar at the time. Zuffa had just purchased the UFC and was trying to figure out how to sell it and shed the "human cockfighting" label that had been attached to the early UFCs. Long story short, there was zero money for Brock in the UFC and Vince is standing there with a big paycheck in the WWE.

Your best guess BTW couldn't be more wrong.
Yes his first fight was someone basically being fed to Brock. This wasn't in the UFC by the way. The rest of his opponents?
Frank Mir - BJJ Black Belt. Former UFC Heavyweight champion. First guy to beat Nogueira by anything other than decision.

Randy Couture - If you don't call Randy Couture a "serious heavyweight" I'd like to know who is. Winner of the UFC 13 tournament, 3 time Heavyweight champion.

Heath Herring - Least of Brock's UFC opponents but a long time gate keeper. Herring is never going to be a champion but he's hardly a can.

evilbeefchan · 07-18-2009, 05:34 PM

Wow, we totally forgot to talk about the Buffer 360

YouTube - 360 makes history

And on the subject of Fedor, he and Barnett are finally going at it August 1st. I don't really see Barnett offering that big of a challenge to Fedor, as he looked so-so in his last fight with Yvel.

m0rpheus · 07-18-2009, 09:26 PM

We totally did!

Probably because the PPV didn't show it. Damn them, I had to find it online.

m0rpheus · 07-19-2009, 06:55 PM

Anybody catch Tom Lawlor's comments on his Sub of the night bonus? Classic.

YOU JUST TOOK HOME A $100K BONUS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Lawlor

I’ve been pretty poor the past few years, so after getting this bonus, I’ll have to fight again in like eight or nine years.
That’ll probably be how long it takes me to run out of money if I keep living at the standard of living I’ve been at. Look for me in about 2018.
[At] UFC 200 I’ll be fighting the serpent from Revelations, as the world is coming to an end in about nine years.

The Week in Quotes: July 12th -18th - Bloody Elbow

YaWhateva · 07-19-2009, 09:29 PM

I really wish I could have seen that fight. Tom Lawlor is now my hero for that comment and beating CB. I can't stand that guy.

silent_jay · 07-20-2009, 02:39 AM

YaWhateva · 07-20-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by silent_jay

CB Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor UFC 100 Video - Fights MMA Video Details

That definitely made my morning, thanks!

Chilly McFreeze · 07-20-2009, 05:39 AM

SF I just want to know why you seem to think the heavyweight champion is supposed to be the best in the world at the sport? It means nothing of the sort, it means you're the best in your division. I'm an MMA fan, and I'm happy to admit the heavyweight division is not the most competitive - light heavy, welterweight and middleweight are all way more competitive.

But hell, even in boxing the heavyweight champs aren't considered the best in the world. Just look at The Ring pound-for-pound rankings - not a single heavyweight in the top 10, and the top guy is a junior welterweight.

Do you really believe the heavyweight division is the pinnacle of any combat sport, or are you just saying that so you can rag on MMA?

07-18-2009, 08:25 AM	#282 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Even if some people obstinately want to include the fight against the 7 foot guy, it doesnt make much difference, does it? If the champion of your sport is a former actor, who tried and failed to make it as a pro footballer, who has won 4 fights (1 against a middle aged man who had his best days in a lower weight division, and 2 against journeymen) to become the holder of the greatest belt in MMA - doesnt it give the impression that its all a bit easy? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 08:45 AM	#283 (permalink)
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07-18-2009, 09:10 AM	#284 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Of course, we havent even got to the steroid allegations about Lesner yet. I wonder if THAT was why he spent 4 years in WWF (where he wouldnt be tested for anything)? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 09:24 AM	#285 (permalink)
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07-18-2009, 09:26 AM	#286 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Yeah, he had to wait until he had the juice out of his system before he could play a real sport (with testing) - thats my guess. Just look at the guys build - does it look natural to you? The key argument I have made, which hasnt been answered in my opinion (just quibbling things like is he 3-1 or 4-1) - is that for a guy to come into a sport, with no professional sporting background (whether he was good at something in college or not) and get a couple of wins against opponents who arent especially strong (a guy like Mir who is a top 20 fighter, a guy like Coutre who is a puffed up Light Heavy in his 40's who is best known for being beaten by Liddell) is now the havyweight world champion He hasnt served his dues, he hasnt earned his right to be at the peak of the sport... he simply walked into a title shot becaue he is a well known actor in a succesful franchise (World Wrestling Federation). He's a strong man, but he's slow, one handed, unfit - and any half decent fighter, even good awkward counter puncher like Fedor should take him to pieces. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 09:35 AM	#287 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	so.. MMA can only be performed in a cage?? huh. interesting. This is turning into another boxing vs. MMA debate, and that is simply not going to happen in this thread. If you or anyone else wants to continue that debate then dig up the old thread and restart it. You can talk about Lesnar's career but let's leave the mma vs. boxing crap out of here. edit: I fail to see how anyone bringing up some alleged steroid use is going to bolster an argument between the sports or shame one. Two words: Mike Tyson. so now, go to the boxing vs. mma thread to continue that line of thought. I personally don't like Lesnar, but I don't think he's a publicity stunt, and even if it were a publicity stunt, please tell me which sport out there doesn't use publicity stunts to gain money. Please. Last edited by Glory's Sun; 07-18-2009 at 09:39 AM..

07-18-2009, 09:41 AM	#288 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Mate, youre asking me not to bring up Boxing vs MMA, and then talking about Mike Tyson one sentence later? Im not talking about boxing at all, I am talking about Lesner lacking the credentials of a champion __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

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07-18-2009, 09:55 AM	#292 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	my buddy was ranked #4 in the nation in wrestling.. so I can tell you from experience that it's no fucking joke. Wrestling skills can help a fighter immensely in this sport.. and a 106-5 record against division I opponents is unreal.

07-18-2009, 10:04 AM	#293 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	To be a champion you need to earn the right to call yourself the best of the best. I dont all winning 3 or 4 fights sufficient in that. Tennis and Golf are different sports. In a tournament its 1 against 128 or more... in MMA its 1 against 1. Lesner has beaten 2 contenders and 2 journeymen (and been beaten once himself). Does this give him the right to say he is at the pinnacle of his sport? Doe beating two serious fighters really give him the right to claim he is the best in the world? Come on! _ Lets talk about his fitness... I dont deny he is strong and I expect all his training is in strength. When has he gone 10 rounds, 12 rounds, even 6 rounds??? not once in his MMA career. This is a guy who has never win or lose gone past Round 3... that raises a huge concern for me, as does his weight and body mass. If Fedor just blocks and clinches and carries this guy I could see Lesner collapsing of exhaustion before the end of the fight, seriously. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 10:08 AM	#294 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I don't think anyone is in here calling Lesnar the best of the best..not by any stretch.

07-18-2009, 10:18 AM	#295 (permalink)
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07-18-2009, 10:29 AM	#296 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The heavyweight world champion is SUPPOSED to be the best in the world Its a pretty clear statement that two serious fans of the sport dont agree and are happy to say "Lesner is just the heavyweight world champion, no one says he's the best in the world..." Its actually quite easy to understand why Lesner was a good athlete as a youth... I know a few people who had the same experience. He has always been big and strong, and as a 16, 17 year old he can use his strength to dominate bouts. Then when you get to senior sport, its a different story. Thats why he didnt become a pro, thats why he didnt make it as a footballer... instead he became an actor in WWF - my best guess (and I know he never failed a drug test in UFC) i that he juices up, gets bigger, gets a huge profile...he gets an offer from an emerging sport like MMA, manages to sneak past a couple of hand picked opponents and is given the belt... MMA gets a lot more publicity. And the first time Lesner fights a serious heavyweight fighter (like Fedor) he gets beaten up and the end of the stunt. Then and only then will you be able to tell what sort of fighter he is, and whether he has the heart of a warrior. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 10:32 AM	#297 (permalink)
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07-18-2009, 12:30 PM	#307 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	haha sorry it was just annoying me already! __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-18-2009, 10:33 AM	#298 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	yes cricket is a sport. this friend of mine..who is one of those people who never actively seeks anything worthwhile is one of my best friends.. we're almost like brothers.. and I'll put it to you this way, he entered into an amateur MMA contest that Serra was at, and Serra was impressed with him so much he offered to train him. So he went up to Serra's place and checked it out.. Serra wasn't pleased when my buddy tapped him out in the first round. So what does my friend do? He says.."thanks, but no thanks" and is working some lame job just floating about life. but anyway, back to the sort of topic here.. I think that proves, at least in my mind, that wrestling does play a huge part in a sport such as MMA. While my buddy is well versed in Muay Thai and BJJ as well, the wrestling components can do nothing but help especially in close ground tactics and abilities. Dismissing a 106-5 record against the best of the best in college sports is ridiculous and silly.

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07-18-2009, 10:55 AM	#300 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	A man of that size is simply not capable of fighting 12 rounds hard. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 10:57 AM	#301 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	why do you think that is strange? because MMA requires so much endurance and skill that nobody could do 12 straight 5 minute rounds? if so..then you'd be right for once.

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07-18-2009, 11:56 AM	#303 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Well, its correct that I dont know how long championship bouts are fought over... but I assume its more than 3 round exhibitions! On topic about this fight, I believe that Fedor will carry the big American into the later rounds, and you will be able to see for yourself how well weight lifting prepares you for a real fight. The fact that Lesner won ONE college championship in 4 years (a great achievment for an amatour and a kid, but not exactly marking his as the greatest ever) shows he has potential But anyone who play or follows sports knows that even great potential as a youth doesnt always migrate into success as a senior. I have quite a few mates you played youth team football attached to professional teams... I have one mate who went on to have a professionl career, and he wasnt the best youth team player by a mile. Lesner had potential... and he turned his back on it, became an actor rather than a sportsman when he couldnt make it in the pro game... through some "mysterious" training method he came out absolutely huge (but he never failed a drug test!) Tried to play football, showed some potential but got cut, ended up in MMA, and went 2-1 against real fighters and beat a couple of tomato cans and got given a belt. Thats what you get for being a succesfull actor. He still plays the part in MMA - making silly promo's and playing the heel, even though he is in a real sport he is playing the part he learned in WWF (assuming the two wins he had were legit of course, and that Mir or Coutre didnt lay down) Fedor ISNT a big puncher, and he isnt a strong man - but he is a clever awkard Russian with that slippery upright style - and he will pick Lesner to pieces. I repeat that I generally fear that Lesner is so bulked up, and his physique is unsuited to a real fight, that he will put his health in serious danger against a real fighter like Fedor unless he has the common sene to quit on his stool when he knows in his heart he has nothing left to give (expect this will happen round 8 at a guess), or the "MMA Equivalent" of round 8 if the UFC have some "5 minute round rule" In 5 min rounds I predict he taps out or quits at the end of round 5 on his stool __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

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07-18-2009, 12:18 PM	#305 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	Just so you stop looking foolish let me inform you that championship bouts are 5 5 minute rounds. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-18-2009, 12:21 PM	#306 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	... __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 02-07-2011 at 03:19 PM..

07-18-2009, 12:31 PM	#308 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	... __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 02-07-2011 at 03:19 PM..

07-18-2009, 12:47 PM	#309 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Actually, being fat is better than being muscle bound, in terms of cardio fitness. Thats why a guy the size of George Foreman in his comeback could easily go 12 rounds, and Lesner would be on the floor after 8 if he cant knock his man down. I'd probably have a 50/50 shot against the 7 foot tomato can Lesner foght first up. The other bum he fought was a tough guy with a solid chin who hasnt beaten anybody but has given a match to some big fighters in MMA. Then there's Mir - who beat Lesner and has been beaten by him: a technically solid guy wo hasnt ever done it at the top level And then there's a 46 year old Light Heavy. Lesner hasnt fought any of the big names of MMA (Filipovic, Fedor, Silva, Jackson)... he was handed the belt by the marketing men. You can talk about my ignorance as much as it makes you happy to do so - but the minute this big lummox Lesner finds himself in the ring with a real fighter he will be exposed in my opinion. Fedor would make a fool out of him. Even the silly guy with the big beard who conducted that farce with Ray Mercer could probably knock out Lesner. I will repeat my analysis as it has been ignored Lesner is one dimensional Lenser has never proved his can fight into the late rounds Lesner is slow Lesner is one armed and has no left at all Lesner has the wrong build to fight professionally Lesner hasnt proved his heart Fedor will make a fool out of him. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-18-2009, 01:24 PM	#310 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	... __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 02-07-2011 at 03:20 PM..

07-18-2009, 03:58 PM	#312 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	... __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 02-07-2011 at 03:20 PM..

07-18-2009, 09:26 PM	#315 (permalink)
m0rpheus bad craziness Location: Guelph, Ontario	We totally did! Probably because the PPV didn't show it. Damn them, I had to find it online. __________________ "it never got weird enough for me." - Hunter S. Thompson

07-19-2009, 09:29 PM	#317 (permalink)
YaWhateva Friend Location: New Mexico	I really wish I could have seen that fight. Tom Lawlor is now my hero for that comment and beating CB. I can't stand that guy. __________________ “If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again.” - Bill O'Reilly "This is my United States of Whateva!"

07-20-2009, 02:39 AM	#318 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	... __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder Last edited by silent_jay; 02-07-2011 at 03:21 PM..

07-20-2009, 05:39 AM	#320 (permalink)
Chilly McFreeze Insane Location: England	SF I just want to know why you seem to think the heavyweight champion is supposed to be the best in the world at the sport? It means nothing of the sort, it means you're the best in your division. I'm an MMA fan, and I'm happy to admit the heavyweight division is not the most competitive - light heavy, welterweight and middleweight are all way more competitive. But hell, even in boxing the heavyweight champs aren't considered the best in the world. Just look at The Ring pound-for-pound rankings - not a single heavyweight in the top 10, and the top guy is a junior welterweight. Do you really believe the heavyweight division is the pinnacle of any combat sport, or are you just saying that so you can rag on MMA?