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Zorvox · 12-02-2003, 04:27 AM

Well, I started a thread called "More weird shit" or something like that, I posted some more news there, but noone seems to be replying anymore.. so ..

My EX gf has been spending time with my mate, she is staying at his place Wednesday/Thursday - and on thursday at 3PM is getting an abortion.. On sunday night she rang my mate (who she's staying with) and told him/us that she was pregnant.. and I spoke to her for about 1 minute she said "I'm not keeping it, so it doesn't concern you" how the fuck doesn't it concren me? And after she get's it all done, I'm seeing her about 2 hours later... she has agreed to see me in person, as I need to get some things off my chest.. she also said "When you see me, I won't be pregnant" all that sort of shit, just cuts so deep...

As much as I want to tell her to get fucked and that she is a dog (half of me wants to) The other half just wants to comfort her, because obviously she is going to be feeling like crap, vulnrable etc..

I so don't know what to do, do I be selfish and tell her to get fucked after all the shit she's done to me, or do I just be there for her? I really want to just be her friend and stuff, but I don't think that is going to happen.... but the main thing, is that she has just continued to be selfish, lie to me and continue to rip my heart into little pieces, and not seem to care.. now she is telling me that I don't even get to see her before she goes or anything..

I so don't know what to do

Zorvox · 12-02-2003, 04:28 AM

If you have opinions on this, can you please tell me what you would say to her? I dunno how long I'm gonna be with her on thursday, but I just want to say the EXACT right thing to her... because I have no idea what I want to say

Bloodslick · 12-02-2003, 05:26 AM

A friend of mine got an abortion and entertained at her apartment the same night. She simply didn't want the child. If your ex isn't interested in being pregnant, there's a chance that she'll just be glad not to be.

I don't think there's any right thing to say. I believe you should be silent and not see her. If she's not going to include you in a deicision like this, she's not going to include you in anything else in her life. Move on. It's over.

Zorvox · 12-02-2003, 06:08 AM

aurigus · 12-02-2003, 06:20 AM

I don't know if theres more to the story that I missed in the other thread, but if she's your EX then I wouldjust let it go and move on :/ Ignorance is bliss.

Zorvox · 12-02-2003, 06:26 AM

As much as I want to, I feel asthough I care for her on a whole entirely different level, she made me feel happy about who I was and all that, I hadn't been happy for a very long time... and she had such a huuge impact on my life, but I guess now she's just fucking me over

I wish I didn't care.. but I do..

aurigus · 12-02-2003, 06:37 AM

Yup... learning to "move on" is always one of the hardest things to do! Don't worry though, there are bigger and better things in your future as long you don't dwell on the past so much that it brings you down.

nicion · 12-02-2003, 07:56 AM

First of all, move on. Secondly, it is highly likely that she is lying.

Appointments for abortions almost always occur first thing in the morning... 3 PM is an extremely strange time for such a procedure to occur. That comment pertains to Australia, but can't imagine it would be much different elsewhere.

Zorvox · 12-02-2003, 08:17 AM

Welll she fdound out at sunday, when she got the results, and organized ithe then nexat day with her docotr, they said to her 1 houyr for recovery... wtF?!?!? isn't ;she going to like have a relaly bad stomache ache and be all fucked up etc?

then she will see me 3hours after tall of that?

analog · 12-02-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Bloodslick
If she's not going to include you in a deicision like this, she's not going to include you in anything else in her life. Move on. It's over.

Yup. Be thankful you dodged the bullet- THIS time- be MORE CAREFUL next time, and hopefully you can just chalk this whole thing up as "what not to do ever again". Just walk away.

Sho Nuff · 12-02-2003, 11:12 AM

You obviously dont want her to have the kid anyway so why bug out over it. Like the guy said, you dodged the bullet. Shes probably having a hard time with it. Go easy on her.

motdakasha · 12-02-2003, 05:28 PM

She's right. It doesn't concern you. You're not together anymore. It's her body. You obviously don't like her. Get over it.

Talk to her about what you planned on talking about, but leave the abortion out of it. It's up to her to decide if she wants to involve you in that issue, clearly she doesn't. In America, they tried to make it a law requiring married women to get consent from their husbands before having an abortion. It was ruled unconstitutional because a woman's body is her own and she can do with it as she pleases. I totally agree with it being unconsitutional (that might explain my opinion better).

motdakasha · 12-02-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Zorvox
The other half just wants to comfort her, because obviously she is going to be feeling like crap, vulnrable etc..

Maybe you would feel like crap and vulnerable if you had an abortion, but that doesn't mean every woman who gets one will feel the same way you do about it.

eribrav · 12-02-2003, 06:07 PM

I think that talking to her at some point is fine; I just wouldn't recommend it the same day that she goes through the procedure. Emotions will be running too high on both sides.

irateplatypus · 12-02-2003, 06:55 PM

motdakasha i have to disagree. if this child was one that they conceived together, then it most definitely concerns him. i'm baffled why many women assume that the man has no say when they want an abortion, yet often demand money/marriage/support when they do want to have the child. Even putting the ethics of abortion aside, neither the man or the woman should take sole command of the child's future (or termination thereof).

motdakasha · 12-02-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by irateplatypus
motdakasha i have to disagree.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to my guns. Feel free to disagree, though.

Bloodslick · 12-03-2003, 06:20 AM

As far as feeling horrible after the abortion, I had a friend who went out, had an abortion in the morning, and entertained dinner guests at her apartment that evening. She seemed just fine, because she hadn't wanted the baby and she was happy that it was gone. Don't count on her feeling horrible. I say you should stand her up.

RotEx · 12-03-2003, 06:44 AM

depends on the person, i had a girlfriend who had 2! abortions. and she was upset, but KNEW she couldnt have it. and then ive also heard stories about girls who have had one and didnt get over it for months/years.

feelgood · 12-03-2003, 07:38 AM

As far I'm concerned, when having an abortion, the descision should involve both the male and female. But if the female whom broke up with the male and decide to have an abortion without any disccussion with the male, then why the fuck should he get involved? After all, it was HER that didn't want him to get involved in the first place?

I know what you're trying to do Zorvox, I would have done the same..

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Originally posted by irateplatypus
i'm baffled why many women assume that the man has no say when they want an abortion, yet often demand money/marriage/support when they do want to have the child.

Has it occurred to you that women are the one who has to bear the child? And you're being biased, I don't think you've read or heard any stories of men and women discussing the notion of abortion when she gets pregeant. Some may think that the men will try to change her mind, those are the kind of stories that winds up on talk shows. When women are havingi a baby, it's quite stressful to be able to handle it all on your own. Which is why they ask for support from the man who knocked her up because after all, it is his responibility. Sex involves responibility. I don't know how it feels when you got a big baby comin out of the "no no" area. I think it would very much feel like somebody stepping on my balls and twisting it...

vveronica · 12-03-2003, 09:57 AM

this is so real simple "DONT SEE HER THEN"

if you do it will be bad no matter what happens there is no way the emotions will not get in the way... give it some time when she is emotionally more stable and you have cooled off.

irateplatypus · 12-03-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by feelgood
Which is why they ask for support from the man who knocked her up because after all, it is his responibility. Sex involves responibility.

Sex involves responsibility. Exactly.

its hypocritical for the same woman to demand support from the guy who knocked her up to also, at some other point in time, decide to get an abortion without the man's consent.

if it's not the man's responsibility (though i believe it is), then the woman should not expect support. if the man has some stake in the situation then it follows that he should at least be consulted on the fate of the child.

man, its a hard situation... admittedly one i've never been faced with. i don't envy anyone who has dealt with it. but you're right, sex does involve responsibility.

jay-g · 12-03-2003, 04:25 PM

I used to think that abortions were "up to the woman" and its her decision. Now that I am older, I am against abortion. I guess i see it as the ultimate act of selfishness. Its like you have sex because it feels good and fun for you. Who is that act for? Its for the girl or the guy, meaning yourself. Then once the girl gets pregnant, one or the other wants to terminate the pregnancy, because someones not ready. Not only did you have sex for yourself, now you are killing a innocent baby's whole life and future because you just dont want to deal with what comes along with the baby. I mean i understand, when you are young sex is always on the mind. The last thing you want is to be tied down and cheated out of your youth. People should think about more than "in the moment, getting off" and have the notion that "if" somethings happens, they might have to take a life. I would rather have no sex, over having alot of sex but then having to kill a child because we were irresponsible. When it comes down to it, it is the womans choice. All the guy gets, is his say so and opinion but other than that, you cant control her or tell her what to do. To me its a shitty concept, but thats life.(sorry i get all wound up and start ranting on this topic) but Zorvox....I think you should try and get over this one. She isnt being nice or compassionate towards you and you probably deserve better.

feelgood · 12-03-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by jay-g
Not only did you have sex for yourself, now you are killing a innocent baby's whole life and future because you just dont want to deal with what comes along with the baby.

That's the problem with abortion debates. They got the whole nine yard figured out except, they don't know whether or not they should allow abortion based on a cell organism that will eventually become a baby. But that's not the issue at hand here, the issue at hand here in this thread is what Zorvox should do about it.

DEI37 · 12-03-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by feelgood
That's the problem with abortion debates. They got the whole nine yard figured out except, they don't know whether or not they should allow abortion based on a cell organism that will eventually become a baby. But that's not the issue at hand here, the issue at hand here in this thread is what Zorvox should do about it.

See, the problem is, that after a certain point, there IS no debate. If they can measure movements, and heartbeat...guess what? It's not just a clump of cells. It's a person. It's got a soul, and mind. It's alive. Personally, there are VERY few situations where I could even think of abortion as a possiblity. And, even in that case, both the man and the woman that created it should have a say.

irateplatypus nailed it on the head with this post:

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motdakasha i have to disagree. if this child was one that they conceived together, then it most definitely concerns him. i'm baffled why many women assume that the man has no say when they want an abortion, yet often demand money/marriage/support when they do want to have the child. Even putting the ethics of abortion aside, neither the man or the woman should take sole command of the child's future (or termination thereof).

Nothing could be further from the truth. What people fail to realize is that ADOPTION is the option. If the woman doesn't want the baby, there's plenty of good couples out there who would just LOVE to take the baby in, instead of it getting taken out with the day's garbage.

In MY opinion, those that strongly support abortion have little to no respect for human life. They need a reality check, and quick. Once you can measure a heartbeat, and watch the baby move...if you have an abortion, you've committed murder. That is NOT debatable.

feelgood · 12-03-2003, 07:36 PM

You're just turning this thread into an abortion debate. I can argue what you just said but if you want to debate the issue, do it in another thread.

Zorvox · 12-03-2003, 08:09 PM

Right about now in 30 minutes, my ex is getting an abortion.. and my mate is there supporting her.. oh yay.. !

she doesn't want me to be there, and she doesn't want to know me.. I Told her that me and my mate had agreed that he wouldn't see her in person anymore, and she started crying her eyes out.. so i was like, well ur happiness is all that matters to me, so do whatever you's like - as much as I didn't want to say that, I still care for her and just want her to be happy..

You can't control people and what they want to do etc - but I still think it is wrong, because consideration is a big role in people's lives, everything has come back on to me and lately I have felt so bloody bad and wanting to kill myself because I can't seem to get anywhere out of this whole situation, She won't speak to me, no matter what - and I don't want them being together etc, but I just want her to be happy, so I sacrificed my own sort of happiness, just to keep her happy.

SO I feel like I have won, by being the better person - but it doesn't really change how I feel.

I failed where I wanted to succeed the most - but I reckon if they make anything out of it, he'll get his little heart broken too and he'll come to me - haha that will be the funneh!

So yeah, as much as i'd like to call my mates "mates" as in like the meaning of the word... it doesn't feel like it.

Well I just called my mate, who is taking her to get an abortion right now.. and I rang to speak to her just to say, good luck my thoughts are with you I will be thinking of you, you have been so strong and I am proud of you.

She goes "when are you going to understand? That I don't want to speak to YOU AT ALL"

I'm like, It was the right thing to do, Just be strong.. okay.. and she said all this "and you say you care about me?!?! if you did you wouldn't be calling me" I was like WHAT THE FUCK!!??! You need to grow up and get some maturity - seriously, she then replies with "So to whose benefit is this?" I said "Yours" then she hung up.

Why the fuck am I trying to make people happy and they just do not give a shit at all?

I feel like keeping that promise he made to me and not seeing her in person at all anymore, if she's gonna keep giving me shit, and making me feel like absolutely nothing.. then why can't I be selfish and do the whole "you promised me" thing etc, they think they have won, I been the best person I could of been through all of this and she simply JUST DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT.

They are both dogs as far as im concerned, bad as one another and can both get fucked.

I wish I didn't care, but I do

Zorvox · 12-03-2003, 08:14 PM

Btw, she is roughly 3 weeks pregnant - so I guess it would be pracitcally nothing?

I am against it too, it would grow to love, to learn, to think for itself and lead a life of it's own and one day have kids of it's own...

But I am glad somehow that she is getting an abortion, but she is just being a stupid fucking cow and I want to hurt her back now.. revenge is sweet. it really is especially when they dont care about you, I want to show her that I no longer care about her anymore, even though in a way I do, she cannot see that I put everything aside, scarificed my own happiness just for her..

Ungreatful mole.

DEI37 · 12-03-2003, 08:42 PM

In this case, the girl is a bitch. Be rid of her. Drown out her memory...don't even think about her. She's nothing but trouble. I'm thankful that the child doesn't have to endure her, although that still doesn't make it right.

chavos · 12-03-2003, 09:28 PM

that fathers do not get a say in this decision is the reason i have been unable to remain pro-choice. If the sex was consensual...and that's a important if, i can't say the father doesn't have a say. And i can't think of a way of letting two people make decisions on the issue with out possibily infringing on the rights of one of those parties.

But that's all very abstract, and somewhat irrelevant to you, i would guess. I'm sorry that this situation has gotten to the point that it has-i hope you find peace with what's happened. best of luck.

12-02-2003, 04:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	Abortion's etc Well, I started a thread called "More weird shit" or something like that, I posted some more news there, but noone seems to be replying anymore.. so .. My EX gf has been spending time with my mate, she is staying at his place Wednesday/Thursday - and on thursday at 3PM is getting an abortion.. On sunday night she rang my mate (who she's staying with) and told him/us that she was pregnant.. and I spoke to her for about 1 minute she said "I'm not keeping it, so it doesn't concern you" how the fuck doesn't it concren me? And after she get's it all done, I'm seeing her about 2 hours later... she has agreed to see me in person, as I need to get some things off my chest.. she also said "When you see me, I won't be pregnant" all that sort of shit, just cuts so deep... As much as I want to tell her to get fucked and that she is a dog (half of me wants to) The other half just wants to comfort her, because obviously she is going to be feeling like crap, vulnrable etc.. I so don't know what to do, do I be selfish and tell her to get fucked after all the shit she's done to me, or do I just be there for her? I really want to just be her friend and stuff, but I don't think that is going to happen.... but the main thing, is that she has just continued to be selfish, lie to me and continue to rip my heart into little pieces, and not seem to care.. now she is telling me that I don't even get to see her before she goes or anything.. I so don't know what to do

12-02-2003, 06:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	hmm

12-02-2003, 11:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	You obviously dont want her to have the kid anyway so why bug out over it. Like the guy said, you dodged the bullet. Shes probably having a hard time with it. Go easy on her. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

12-02-2003, 05:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
motdakasha Hiya Puddin'! Miss me? Location: Silicon Valley, CA	She's right. It doesn't concern you. You're not together anymore. It's her body. You obviously don't like her. Get over it. Talk to her about what you planned on talking about, but leave the abortion out of it. It's up to her to decide if she wants to involve you in that issue, clearly she doesn't. In America, they tried to make it a law requiring married women to get consent from their husbands before having an abortion. It was ruled unconstitutional because a woman's body is her own and she can do with it as she pleases. I totally agree with it being unconsitutional (that might explain my opinion better). __________________ =^-^= motdakasha =^-^= Just Google It. BA Psychology & Photography (I'm not going psychoanalyze you nor will I let you cry on my shoulder. Have a nice day.) Last edited by motdakasha; 12-02-2003 at 05:32 PM..

12-02-2003, 06:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	motdakasha i have to disagree. if this child was one that they conceived together, then it most definitely concerns him. i'm baffled why many women assume that the man has no say when they want an abortion, yet often demand money/marriage/support when they do want to have the child. Even putting the ethics of abortion aside, neither the man or the woman should take sole command of the child's future (or termination thereof). __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

12-02-2003, 04:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	If you have opinions on this, can you please tell me what you would say to her? I dunno how long I'm gonna be with her on thursday, but I just want to say the EXACT right thing to her... because I have no idea what I want to say

12-02-2003, 05:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bloodslick Loser Location: a darkened back alley	A friend of mine got an abortion and entertained at her apartment the same night. She simply didn't want the child. If your ex isn't interested in being pregnant, there's a chance that she'll just be glad not to be. I don't think there's any right thing to say. I believe you should be silent and not see her. If she's not going to include you in a deicision like this, she's not going to include you in anything else in her life. Move on. It's over.

12-02-2003, 06:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
aurigus Insane	I don't know if theres more to the story that I missed in the other thread, but if she's your EX then I wouldjust let it go and move on :/ Ignorance is bliss.

12-02-2003, 06:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	As much as I want to, I feel asthough I care for her on a whole entirely different level, she made me feel happy about who I was and all that, I hadn't been happy for a very long time... and she had such a huuge impact on my life, but I guess now she's just fucking me over I wish I didn't care.. but I do..

12-02-2003, 06:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
aurigus Insane	Yup... learning to "move on" is always one of the hardest things to do! Don't worry though, there are bigger and better things in your future as long you don't dwell on the past so much that it brings you down.

12-02-2003, 07:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
nicion Upright	First of all, move on. Secondly, it is highly likely that she is lying. Appointments for abortions almost always occur first thing in the morning... 3 PM is an extremely strange time for such a procedure to occur. That comment pertains to Australia, but can't imagine it would be much different elsewhere.

12-02-2003, 08:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	Welll she fdound out at sunday, when she got the results, and organized ithe then nexat day with her docotr, they said to her 1 houyr for recovery... wtF?!?!? isn't ;she going to like have a relaly bad stomache ache and be all fucked up etc? then she will see me 3hours after tall of that?

12-02-2003, 06:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
eribrav Junkie Location: upstate NY	I think that talking to her at some point is fine; I just wouldn't recommend it the same day that she goes through the procedure. Emotions will be running too high on both sides.

12-03-2003, 06:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Bloodslick Loser Location: a darkened back alley	As far as feeling horrible after the abortion, I had a friend who went out, had an abortion in the morning, and entertained dinner guests at her apartment that evening. She seemed just fine, because she hadn't wanted the baby and she was happy that it was gone. Don't count on her feeling horrible. I say you should stand her up.

12-03-2003, 06:44 AM	#18 (permalink)
RotEx Crazy	depends on the person, i had a girlfriend who had 2! abortions. and she was upset, but KNEW she couldnt have it. and then ive also heard stories about girls who have had one and didnt get over it for months/years. __________________ everytime i turn around it is an illusion.

12-03-2003, 09:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
vveronica Psycho Location: northern california	this is so real simple "DONT SEE HER THEN" if you do it will be bad no matter what happens there is no way the emotions will not get in the way... give it some time when she is emotionally more stable and you have cooled off. __________________ ...We find ourselves in a struggle for our very right to exsist... We will not go quietly into the night... We will not give up without a fight...

12-03-2003, 04:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
jay-g Addict	I used to think that abortions were "up to the woman" and its her decision. Now that I am older, I am against abortion. I guess i see it as the ultimate act of selfishness. Its like you have sex because it feels good and fun for you. Who is that act for? Its for the girl or the guy, meaning yourself. Then once the girl gets pregnant, one or the other wants to terminate the pregnancy, because someones not ready. Not only did you have sex for yourself, now you are killing a innocent baby's whole life and future because you just dont want to deal with what comes along with the baby. I mean i understand, when you are young sex is always on the mind. The last thing you want is to be tied down and cheated out of your youth. People should think about more than "in the moment, getting off" and have the notion that "if" somethings happens, they might have to take a life. I would rather have no sex, over having alot of sex but then having to kill a child because we were irresponsible. When it comes down to it, it is the womans choice. All the guy gets, is his say so and opinion but other than that, you cant control her or tell her what to do. To me its a shitty concept, but thats life.(sorry i get all wound up and start ranting on this topic) but Zorvox....I think you should try and get over this one. She isnt being nice or compassionate towards you and you probably deserve better. Last edited by jay-g; 12-03-2003 at 04:29 PM..

12-03-2003, 07:36 PM	#25 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	You're just turning this thread into an abortion debate. I can argue what you just said but if you want to debate the issue, do it in another thread. __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

12-03-2003, 08:09 PM	#26 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	Right about now in 30 minutes, my ex is getting an abortion.. and my mate is there supporting her.. oh yay.. ! she doesn't want me to be there, and she doesn't want to know me.. I Told her that me and my mate had agreed that he wouldn't see her in person anymore, and she started crying her eyes out.. so i was like, well ur happiness is all that matters to me, so do whatever you's like - as much as I didn't want to say that, I still care for her and just want her to be happy.. You can't control people and what they want to do etc - but I still think it is wrong, because consideration is a big role in people's lives, everything has come back on to me and lately I have felt so bloody bad and wanting to kill myself because I can't seem to get anywhere out of this whole situation, She won't speak to me, no matter what - and I don't want them being together etc, but I just want her to be happy, so I sacrificed my own sort of happiness, just to keep her happy. SO I feel like I have won, by being the better person - but it doesn't really change how I feel. I failed where I wanted to succeed the most - but I reckon if they make anything out of it, he'll get his little heart broken too and he'll come to me - haha that will be the funneh! So yeah, as much as i'd like to call my mates "mates" as in like the meaning of the word... it doesn't feel like it. Well I just called my mate, who is taking her to get an abortion right now.. and I rang to speak to her just to say, good luck my thoughts are with you I will be thinking of you, you have been so strong and I am proud of you. She goes "when are you going to understand? That I don't want to speak to YOU AT ALL" I'm like, It was the right thing to do, Just be strong.. okay.. and she said all this "and you say you care about me?!?! if you did you wouldn't be calling me" I was like WHAT THE FUCK!!??! You need to grow up and get some maturity - seriously, she then replies with "So to whose benefit is this?" I said "Yours" then she hung up. Why the fuck am I trying to make people happy and they just do not give a shit at all? I feel like keeping that promise he made to me and not seeing her in person at all anymore, if she's gonna keep giving me shit, and making me feel like absolutely nothing.. then why can't I be selfish and do the whole "you promised me" thing etc, they think they have won, I been the best person I could of been through all of this and she simply JUST DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT. They are both dogs as far as im concerned, bad as one another and can both get fucked. I wish I didn't care, but I do

12-03-2003, 08:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
Zorvox Crazy Location: Sydney, Australia	Btw, she is roughly 3 weeks pregnant - so I guess it would be pracitcally nothing? I am against it too, it would grow to love, to learn, to think for itself and lead a life of it's own and one day have kids of it's own... But I am glad somehow that she is getting an abortion, but she is just being a stupid fucking cow and I want to hurt her back now.. revenge is sweet. it really is especially when they dont care about you, I want to show her that I no longer care about her anymore, even though in a way I do, she cannot see that I put everything aside, scarificed my own happiness just for her.. Ungreatful mole.

12-03-2003, 08:42 PM	#28 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	In this case, the girl is a bitch. Be rid of her. Drown out her memory...don't even think about her. She's nothing but trouble. I'm thankful that the child doesn't have to endure her, although that still doesn't make it right. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

12-03-2003, 09:28 PM	#29 (permalink)
chavos Banned Location: St. Paul, MN	that fathers do not get a say in this decision is the reason i have been unable to remain pro-choice. If the sex was consensual...and that's a important if, i can't say the father doesn't have a say. And i can't think of a way of letting two people make decisions on the issue with out possibily infringing on the rights of one of those parties. But that's all very abstract, and somewhat irrelevant to you, i would guess. I'm sorry that this situation has gotten to the point that it has-i hope you find peace with what's happened. best of luck.