06-01-2005, 01:09 PM | #81 (permalink) |
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The judge must not have had his coffee, or the parents were dressed improperly. Then again, without strange cases to test our boundaries how would we have any?
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06-01-2005, 01:26 PM | #84 (permalink) | |
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FOOL YOU HAVE TRULY EARNED MY RESPECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cyn: I am sorry if some of what I said complicates things for you and that you turned off. This is a very important issue to me, not because I am Wiccan, but because as I said my spirituality is unique to me.... someday I hope to have a child or 2 and teach my beliefs to him/her as well as other beliefs (one reason I go to a Unitarian Church to understand many religions and beliefs not just one). As I have said the fact this could go on for a long time and bankrupt the parents into not being able to fight anymore, therefore allowing a precedent to be set is very scary. People need to see this and understand what is happening before it is too late. Many of my posts were repetitive because some people kept choosing to insinuate Wicca as a cult, or bring the nudity into it or try to troll, change the subject etc. I was repetitive so as to keep the thread on track.... with some it worked and Dialogue could have been opened.... (have a feeling tho it is too late in this thread, tho.) Don't let my passion and overzealous behavior turn you off to the truth though..... this is truly something that can have sever ramifications on everyone's rights. One thing that scares me is IF and When this judgement gets overturned the appelate judges may tell other adjudicators exactly how to phrase the same ruling so that it will hold up.Again paranoia... but this day and age nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to our rights and freedoms). Also I respond when challenged... I had one tell me I was a revisionist in this thread and I challenged where..... I never did get an answer. I had one tell me Mormons that are polygymous get the same rulings against them.... I challenged when and where show me the proof.... again the challenge went unanswered. It truly irks me when someone challenges me then when I respond asking for examples or proof they disappear or never mention it again. Anyway... thanks to those who were productive, I did find a newfound respect for some here. Roachboy..... your passion is great and strong never lose it, but learn how to use it better. As someone who learnt from mistakes.... never stoop to their level keep on topic and focussed.... You're a good man and I would hate to see you banned..... you have great debating skills..... use them wisely and you can go far
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06-01-2005, 01:38 PM | #85 (permalink) | ||
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However this case does constitute Fed. Court as it is a Constitutional issue.... however, I would hope it isn't ever necessary and the next court drives it down without even having to think about it. I have a feeling this is one case that truly will be interesting to follow. Quote:
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06-01-2005, 04:00 PM | #86 (permalink) |
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Interesting... I don't think anyone has ever thought me to be "right" of anything in particular, but I'm not a liberal either. Frankly, I'm not anything (though I tend to vote Libertarian). I am a strong supporter of the Xepherys party... where I firmly believe in my beliefs! At any rate, no offense taken (either way). I plan to be in this forum more often, so I'm sure we'll meet again!
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06-01-2005, 04:51 PM | #87 (permalink) |
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I am a newly minted daddy. That means I've been back and forth to the hospital and am short sleep. Apparently I should be reading this thread and issuing warnings, but I haven't got around to it. So here's the deal. I won't hold it against you previous to this post. But I WILL go back and read things, so if you continue *whatever* is against forum rules after this post, spankings will be issued. If you're *really* a dick about it, a temp ban may be headed your way. And may the Schwartz be with you.
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06-01-2005, 06:53 PM | #88 (permalink) |
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CONGRATS LEBELL......I AM SURE YOU'LL MAKE A GREAT FATHER
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06-03-2005, 03:00 AM | #90 (permalink) | |
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By the way, even though I vehemently disagreed with the Schiavo case's ultimate outcome -- but let's not start debating that case again! -- I do agree with Xepherys's opinion that the Federal Government really had little right to interfere with the multiple lower courts' rulings on the matter. It was the Supreme Court's right & duty to rule on the case, should they find enough legal reasons to do so. They didn't, so end of game. Ultimately I don't have to agree with every court ruling...but if I don't agree with enough of them, it's time to vote for a change in those who would make laws and/or start a grass-roots effort to change the laws through referendum. I'm not saying that a decision that affects this child's upbringing should languish for ten years. I'm just saying that, as in the Schiavo case, it's not the Executive Branch of the Federal Government's place to interfere. Even if they did before, two wrongs don't make a right. Let the court rulings stay their course, and I'm confident this will be overturned.
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06-03-2005, 03:40 AM | #91 (permalink) |
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By the way, Pan...
We are on the same side of this issue - both of us agree that it was a bone-headed ruling by the lower courts. And I think that both of us agree that the judge trying to pin ANY religion as "non-mainstream" is absolutely abhorrent and unconstitutional. I just don't think it's quite the time to start running around, shout that the sky is falling (KIDDING! ) , or begin the protesting...yet. Should this ruling not be corrected in normal measure, or should rulings like this continue, I'll be right there next to you. The key is that our system was DESIGNED that these types of decisions would correct themselves. These corrections just happen slowly - as I believe most governmental actions should happen. My argument is perhaps better applied to Congressional actions (law-making), but I think it applies here, too. A government that moves and acts too quickly often does so rashly.
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06-03-2005, 01:14 PM | #94 (permalink) | |
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As for shouting, I am very concerned a judge tried to put this in let alone even think about it. This should concern anyone wanting and valuing their rights because obviously the second judge let this stand. And with court dockets, how long does this family have to wait before they can practice their freedom of religion with their child?????? And what about finances....... if they run out and the appeals stop then precedent is set. I can see this happening, and that is a scary thought. So yes, it is 2 judges or a judge and moderator or whatever, and yes, it is early, but in cases like this I would rather panic too fast than watch as someone loses their rights until their case can be appealed. I like your arguments and the facts that you provided to give me cause to think as to why someone would consider this ok. You have provided good dialogue and hopefully people (INCLUDING MYSELF ATY TIMES) can use yours, Fool's, X's examples of intelligent dialogues as standards, where we don't have attacks on people or ideas but rational viewpoints discussed.
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06-04-2005, 05:09 AM | #96 (permalink) | |
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I think most people who use those labels don't realize that nobody is truly on the "left" or the "right"...we're all some semblance of moderates. I, for example, tend to be fiscally conservative, but a bit left-of-center on social issues. I listen to conservative talk radio and find myself equally nodding my head in agreement and shouting at my radio in disagreement. Throw into the mix the fact that I favor a strict constitutional interpretation...and everything goes amuck every now and again! I wasn't kidding when I said that I'd be right there next to you if the situation didn't change in this court situation. I live in Ohio, and this hits a bit too close to home for me. Even though I'm nominally Christian I am absolutely firm in my stance that peoples' beliefs should be inviolable from government intrusion.
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06-04-2005, 07:34 AM | #97 (permalink) |
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Perhaps this will get this thread back on track.....pertinent to the issue, and worthy of debate. I myself find the below article, and the fact this proposed legislation has gone unnoticed to be somewhat disturbing. There does seem to be a pattern forming , aimed at some form of national religion.....I suppose we shall see.
Congress moves to restrict court rulings on God 05/18/05 "Vermont Guardian" WASHINGTON — Conservatives balk at accusations that the current Congress and the Bush administration are intent on turning the United States into a theocracy. Yet, a bill sponsored by 28 members of the U.S. House and Senate looks like a move in that direction. According to the text of the bill, the proposed Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 would remove the Supreme Court's jurisdiction over "any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." Commenting on the general trend, Bill Moyers noted in a March article for the New York Review of Books that the religious right backs nearly half the members of Congress. "Forty-five senators and 186 members of the 108th Congress earned 80 to 100 percent approval ratings from the most influential Christian Right advocacy groups," he noted. If passed, the bill also would limit the ability of judges to interpret the Constitution if it involved "any constitution, law, administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international organization or agency, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of the adoption of the Constitution of the United States." Judges who fail to comply could be impeached or prosecuted. Project Censored award-winning journalist W. David Kubiak charges that the bill would divorce U.S. jurisprudence from "our hard-won secular history and international norms." The Conservative Caucus has called it an important step that would prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from weighing in on "the acknowledgement of God (as in the Roy Moore 10 Commandments issue); and it also restricts federal courts from recognizing the laws of foreign countries and international law [e.g., against torture, global warming, unjust wars, etc.] as the supreme law of our land." Thus far, the mainstream media has ignored the legislation. A May 16 search of Google News turned up no coverage, despite the fact that the office of lead sponsor Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL, told Kubiak last week, "We have the votes for passage." Copyright: Vermont Guardian. http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8923.htm lets try to discuss this....rather than beat each other up.
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06-04-2005, 07:44 AM | #98 (permalink) |
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Amazing..... it's my birthday and I don't want to get worked up, so I'll just leave it at that today.
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06-05-2005, 10:36 AM | #99 (permalink) |
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It's easier just to copy/paste this:
--------------------------------------------------- [11:22] {blank}: why do people assume that a Government that doesn't shun relition is a Theocracy? [11:22] xepherys: ? [11:24] xepherys: well, if that quote is correct [11:24] xepherys: I agree [11:24] xepherys: "acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." [11:25] xepherys: God is not, and should not be, the source of law, liberty or government in our country [11:25] xepherys: it may not truly be a step towards theocracy [11:25] xepherys: but I do believe that it's a step in the wrong direction [11:26] {blank}: that may well Be... [11:26] {blank}: but...The Ten Commandments form the basic tenets for our laws! [11:27] {blank}: or at least a subset of the 10 C [11:27] xepherys: *shrug* but they are man-made laws, they were not devised or provided as divine laws [11:27] xepherys: oddly enough, the ten commandments are just good, common moral sense... and have been law to some degree or another for thousands of years [11:27] xepherys: in many places [11:27] xepherys: including Egypt (non-Jew/Christian) [11:27] xepherys: uhhh... Persia [11:28] xepherys: so, the bible is written around the same common sense that our laws are... *shrug* what difference does that make? [11:31] xepherys: also, "remove the Supreme Court's jurisdiction over "any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government." continues to try to remove a variety of checks and balances, granting greater power to the legislative and executive branches |
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Bush and company are saying, "let's appease the rich and make the middle class think they are getting something, while we take away rights". And yet, these same people claim "to be the great protectors of the Constitution". Yet, what part of the Constitution says the courts cannot judge on people suing the government for their rights? That is what the bill is saying and the right wingers who claim the Dems take away rights are silently allowing their party to destroy the Constitution with bills like this. I truly don't understand the blind following of a party and the belief that the party will not hurt them..... I'm a Dem. but when my party fucks up I admit it, unlike the GOP blind followers. Quote:
Again, as I said starting this thread, this forces judges to look over their shoulder and make judgements not based on the Constitution but based on what the GOP and religious right want. Impeached or prosecuted for interpretting laws as constitutional or not???? What the fuck? Are the GOP and Religious Right going to have watchdogs and any judge who rules against their will is going to be thrown out of office or arrested and sent to some "reconditioning camp"? What about the judges ELECTED by the people, does this mean that even if a judge was elected to hold office that these power hungry people will thumb their nose to the people who elected the judge and say the people were wrong and the judge is going to prison for ruling against what "the GOP and Religious Right deem as right"? Also, this allows for us to ignore the Geneva Convention, any UN laws, and any treaities we don't like. The GOP want to ship jobs overseas for cheap labor, and yet they don't want to have to abide by laws of those countries. Isolationism, in any form creates only enemies and any diplomacy is out the window. Need I remind the GOP that the USA is older and fatter than the hungrier nations and those nations have more people. Quote:
What this also shows me is that the Religious Right have sold their souls to a party (The GOP) that will tell them what they want to hear and get them elected and get these bills passed..... but what the Religious Right are so blind to see is that these bills can also be used eventually against them. The GOP is saying what the Religious Right wants to get the power, once they have the power the GOP will no longer need the Religious Right and they will destroy them so that the Religious Right will never again have any power. IF that sound complicated let me use an example: the GOP needs to get elected and have power.... the join with the Religious Right, demonize the Dems. The Religious Right gives the GOP their approval in all things, but they want a Christian country where the religious leaders have more power. The GOP agrees. The Religious Right gets the GOP Congress, the Presidency, the majority of Governorships and state legislatures and works to demonize everything the opposing party promotes. The GOP once in power makes bills like these and poses as the Religious Right's best friend. However, as laws like this come into being it weakens the Religious Right yet they are blind. Eventually, the GOP has everything thanks to the Religious Right and uses these bills to silence and condemn the Religious Right thereby making sure the Religious Right can never help the opposing party once they realize they helped the monster they thought they were protecting themselves against into power. Jesus is weeping right now because the leaders of his churches are so power hungry they have lost touch with HIS teachings because they are so power hungry and yet so freaking blind. Beware the man that will give you whatever you want to gain power, because once in power he will no longer need you and he will destroy you so that you can never help his enemy. If we are to stop this we must do so now or everyone who loves their freedoms will lose. But again according to the GOP leaders and their talking head puppets (and yes, those talking head puppets are far more powerful and influential than people want to believe), our God given rights guaranteed by the Constitution are priveleges..... given by the government and NOT rights given by God.... listen to what they say and how they say it.... they are indeed preaching that so laws like this can come into being without true opposition from within the party.
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06-06-2005, 08:01 AM | #101 (permalink) |
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Of course, any such law would itself be subject to judicial review.
Historically such efforts by maveric legistlators have failed and been exposed for the political grandstanding that they are.
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06-06-2005, 08:14 AM | #102 (permalink) |
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I hope so, but it is scary that such efforts are being presented more and more often.
I believe last year, Congress wanted to do something similar and limited Judges dockets and cases. Again, demonify the one branch you do not control and continue to do so until you find ways to control it. Perhaps, the Dems. are right in filibustering judges, for fear once stacked, laws like this will go through and not be challenged.
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(Note this post should be read with a ‘Foghorn Leghorn’ accent to achieve maximum effect.)
You gentleman will have to forgive me if I didn't take the word of the venerable 'Vermont Guardian' as, gospel, no pun intended of course, but after a quick perusal of its content it is my opinion that the 'Vermont Guardian' couldn't be trusted to give you the base ball scores without putting a left wing spin on them. As such I decided to find the bill itself and see what it says. Thankfully it was mercifully brief, unlike many such matters which come before congress. Here is the, offending, bill in its entirety. Quote:
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The rest of the bill is but standard issue filler. No lower courts are allowed to rule either, and judges must abide by the new law or face removal, which is just common sense. Now it’s a shame that the two provisions are linked as the second is far more important than the first. While the first is a reaction to what could only be described as ‘militant secularism’ where those of faith are attacked because they have faith, its implications are minor. The second provision is what is far more important to pass, to remind judges they are there to look at US law framed by the constitution. They are not there to make the laws ‘better’ based on their own whims. It is elected officials that write law, not judges.
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nice to see an argument, ustwo. serious about that.
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wouldnt there be basic problems of legality that would arise along with these extra- or pre-constitutional interpretive guidlines? the "logic" of the above seems problematic historically as well as legally (what about the end of the revolution? would that not put kind of a endpoint to the applicability of english constitutional and common law? what abotu the articles of confederation period?) if american law starts with the adoption of the constitution, what relevance would traditions that predate that approval have? it seems like the far right has decided that it woudl prefer the states live under a civil law tradition--what the above amounts to is throwing out everything about the precedent-based system that the us has worked under since 1789. it seems like a crackpot proposal, doesnt it? if i understand this bill correctly, it is far more dangerous than was made out to be earlier in the thread. maybe the vermont guardian underplayed what a crackpot proposal this law is. it only get sworse when you try to explain it, ustwo. with reference to the case at hand, if this bill were to become law, would you not have to draw on 18th century english legal precedents that define what is and is not a religion and go from there? so anything and everything not protestant would be equally not a religion, yes?
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06-06-2005, 11:09 AM | #106 (permalink) |
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1) I just love being talked down to by Ustwo..... (read in a Foghorn Leghorn voice? was that really necessary or can I assume you are talking down to me, because I saw no humour in it, just ego and a person trying to act superior.)
2) Your explanations do not dispute anything previously mentioned, in fact as roachboy pointed out, it only proves that the fears need to exist. For example, the Godfather clause, the poll taxes, gerrymandering, and so on all laws passed and upheld by different SC would thus be thrown out? That sounds pretty damned sad to me. This also coming from a person who chose to insinuate Wicca to Heaven's Gate and one who challenges sources yet refuses to offer up sources when asked himself. Or even on this thread where a judge legislated from the bench and you have refused to say the judge was wrong, yet you like this bill because it prevents judges from "making laws" (legislating). So you want judges to legislate they way you want them to, but not if you don't like the outcome. That is what your silence and your insinuations and challenging of the news articles tells me. It is ok for you to have a judge tell parents they can't allow their child to partake in their religious worship (which is a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution) but not to have (how many judges with ALL the facts and having heard both sides equally) decide the Schiavo case? Which judge's legislation is ok then and which isn't? One case wasn't even Federal but the GOP tried in vain (including demonizing judges and grandstanding) to make it so? If you are to go by the Constitution, then there is an express and purposeful seperation of powers and yet this legislation supresses that seperation. Also, sending a judge to prison because he didn't rule the way who wants? Obviously there will be a who involved to watch over and hold the judges to this law, so who is to be that power? Congress? So when Dems. come back into power and all of a sudden judges start making calls you dislike but go by this bill, are you going to convientently forget it was the GOP who pushed for this and cry about how the Dems are misusing the law? And how do you prevent Congress (either side) especially when they hold the executive branch from abusing the power provided from this bill? Sorry way too many questions for me, to like this bill or to be silent about it.
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06-06-2005, 11:52 AM | #108 (permalink) |
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As far as ustwo's post, thank you for the direct text and your interpretation of it. I find it very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff when I have to research so many layers of commentary and interpretation and prove or disprove each layer accordingly.
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I've always wanted to be a writer, and perhaps I could have been, but 14 years of scientific text has sucked the writing ability out of me, but its fun to play with now and then.
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Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. |
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