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Originally Posted by tecoyah
Perhaps this will get this thread back on track.....pertinent to the issue, and worthy of debate. I myself find the below article, and the fact this proposed legislation has gone unnoticed to be somewhat disturbing. There does seem to be a pattern forming , aimed at some form of national religion.....I suppose we shall see.
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Thank you for finding and posting this. The whole religion issue is becoming very scary, and yet people are silent. Silent approval is worse than vocal approval because the people who are silent now will be the ones crying in the future and the people like myself who begged people to pay attention and were laughed at, told they needed to chill and shunned as lunatics won't freaking care because the "silent majority" chose to piss their rights away.
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Originally Posted by tecoyah
Congress moves to restrict court rulings on God
05/18/05 "Vermont Guardian"
WASHINGTON — Conservatives balk at accusations that the current Congress and the Bush administration are intent on turning the United States into a theocracy. Yet, a bill sponsored by 28 members of the U.S. House and Senate looks like a move in that direction.
According to the text of the bill, the proposed Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 would remove the Supreme Court's jurisdiction over "any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."
Commenting on the general trend, Bill Moyers noted in a March article for the New York Review of Books that the religious right backs nearly half the members of Congress. "Forty-five senators and 186 members of the 108th Congress earned 80 to 100 percent approval ratings from the most influential Christian Right advocacy groups," he noted.
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What's sad is the majority of the GOP followers have no idea or turn a blind eye and don't want to see how the religious right ahave so much power in their party. I can understand the conservatives that want fiscal responsibility and believe their party can give them tax breaks and cut programs they dislike, however, they fail to see the price the rest of us pay by the devious actions of those in charge.
Bush and company are saying, "let's appease the rich and make the middle class think they are getting something, while we take away rights". And yet, these same people claim "to be the great protectors of the Constitution". Yet, what part of the Constitution says the courts cannot judge on people suing the government for their rights? That is what the bill is saying and the right wingers who claim the Dems take away rights are silently allowing their party to destroy the Constitution with bills like this.
I truly don't understand the blind following of a party and the belief that the party will not hurt them..... I'm a Dem. but when my party fucks up I admit it, unlike the GOP blind followers.
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If passed, the bill also would limit the ability of judges to interpret the Constitution if it involved "any constitution, law, administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international organization or agency, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of the adoption of the Constitution of the United States."
Judges who fail to comply could be impeached or prosecuted.
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Again, as I said starting this thread, this forces judges to look over their shoulder and make judgements not based on the Constitution but based on what the GOP and religious right want.
Impeached or prosecuted for interpretting laws as constitutional or not???? What the fuck? Are the GOP and Religious Right going to have watchdogs and any judge who rules against their will is going to be thrown out of office or arrested and sent to some "reconditioning camp"? What about the judges ELECTED by the people, does this mean that even if a judge was elected to hold office that these power hungry people will thumb their nose to the people who elected the judge and say the people were wrong and the judge is going to prison for ruling against what "the GOP and Religious Right deem as right"?
Also, this allows for us to ignore the Geneva Convention, any UN laws, and any treaities we don't like. The GOP want to ship jobs overseas for cheap labor, and yet they don't want to have to abide by laws of those countries. Isolationism, in any form creates only enemies and any diplomacy is out the window. Need I remind the GOP that the USA is older and fatter than the hungrier nations and those nations have more people.
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Project Censored award-winning journalist W. David Kubiak charges that the bill would divorce U.S. jurisprudence from "our hard-won secular history and international norms." The Conservative Caucus has called it an important step that would prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from weighing in on "the acknowledgement of God (as in the Roy Moore 10 Commandments issue); and it also restricts federal courts from recognizing the laws of foreign countries and international law [e.g., against torture, global warming, unjust wars, etc.] as the supreme law of our land."
Thus far, the mainstream media has ignored the legislation. A May 16 search of Google News turned up no coverage, despite the fact that the office of lead sponsor Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL, told Kubiak last week, "We have the votes for passage."
Copyright: Vermont Guardian.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8923.htm
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The GOP is destroying any opposition and silencing a whole 1/3 of the Constitutional branch. There will be no checks and balances, and this should scare everyone into action.
What this also shows me is that the Religious Right have sold their souls to a party (The GOP) that will tell them what they want to hear and get them elected and get these bills passed..... but what the Religious Right are so blind to see is that these bills can also be used eventually against them. The GOP is saying what the Religious Right wants to get the power, once they have the power the GOP will no longer need the Religious Right and they will destroy them so that the Religious Right will never again have any power.
IF that sound complicated let me use an example: the GOP needs to get elected and have power.... the join with the Religious Right, demonize the Dems. The Religious Right gives the GOP their approval in all things, but they want a Christian country where the religious leaders have more power.
The GOP agrees. The Religious Right gets the GOP Congress, the Presidency, the majority of Governorships and state legislatures and works to demonize everything the opposing party promotes.
The GOP once in power makes bills like these and poses as the Religious Right's best friend. However, as laws like this come into being it weakens the Religious Right yet they are blind. Eventually, the GOP has everything thanks to the Religious Right and uses these bills to silence and condemn the Religious Right thereby making sure the Religious Right can never help the opposing party once they realize they helped the monster they thought they were protecting themselves against into power.
Jesus is weeping right now because the leaders of his churches are so power hungry they have lost touch with HIS teachings because they are so power hungry and yet so freaking blind.
Beware the man that will give you whatever you want to gain power, because once in power he will no longer need you and he will destroy you so that you can never help his enemy.
If we are to stop this we must do so now or everyone who loves their freedoms will lose. But again according to the GOP leaders and their talking head puppets (and yes, those talking head puppets are far more powerful and influential than people want to believe), our God given rights guaranteed by the Constitution are priveleges..... given by the government and NOT rights given by God.... listen to what they say and how they say it.... they are indeed preaching that so laws like this can come into being without true opposition from within the party.