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I am thinking of trying Yoga, what do you think?
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05-11-2011, 12:42 PM | #202 (permalink) |
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on the employment policies institute:
Employment Policies Institute - SourceWatch give me a fucking break, ace.
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05-11-2011, 12:53 PM | #203 (permalink) | |
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Maybe the problem isn't minimum wage. Maybe the problem is education. Maybe the problem is poverty. Maybe the problem is racism. Can a free market self-correct these too? EDIT: As an aside, I'd be open to an alternative to minimum wage legislation, such as guaranteed minimum income. This way, despite how little people are paid in their jobs, or whether they can only get part-time work, they would be guaranteed a minimum livable income. The funding for this sort of thing comes from taxes rather than service companies with thin margins. But I'm afraid conservatives would view that as more "socialistic" than minimum wage legislation, which is too bad because to me it would seem more manageable. It could also be scaled to the individual rather than flatly at the state or federal levels. This means that individuals receive the wage correction scaled to their other income and to their local cost of living.
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05-11-2011, 01:45 PM | #205 (permalink) | ||||
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Speculation usually does more harm than good, especially since so much of it would be more aptly labelled "gambling."
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05-11-2011, 02:04 PM | #206 (permalink) | |
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In addition it is the liberals who try to prevent stores like Walmart or fast restaurants from going into urban areas, places that would train and employ unskilled people. It is the liberals who control urban governments and school systems. Liberals stand in the way of school choice, for those wanting better for their children. Etc.
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05-11-2011, 02:21 PM | #207 (permalink) | |||
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05-11-2011, 03:32 PM | #208 (permalink) | |||
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05-13-2011, 08:04 AM | #209 (permalink) | |
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some companies do a good job of training and developing unskilled workers. McDonald's and Walmart are two that come to mind. My first real job was at Mcdonald's and some of the money I earned for college came from working there. I started cleaning the lobby and the bathrooms when I was 16 - some of the people from my HS would come in and make jokes about me cleaning toilets for at the time was about $2.10 per hour. A year later at 17 I was an assistant manager. Liberals think McDonald's and Walmart are harmful. Liberals send young people the false message that corporate America is racist, and is the enemy. It is shameful. From a big picture point of view, it has been this message that has done tremendous harm to young black urban males. Someone has to be an adult to these men and tell them to go to work.
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Which adults should be telling them to go to work? Are you suggesting that no one is telling any of them this? Do you know how presumptuous this sounds?
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05-13-2011, 08:49 AM | #211 (permalink) |
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Maybe ace needs to poll his local grocer again to learn that not all 'Liberals' are the same, or he can poll all these young black urban males he seems to talk to every day, maybe they can teach him, until then, my previous post stands, better off banging your head against a wall BG, the results wuld be the same as debating ace, you'll be left dazed and confused.
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05-13-2011, 09:47 AM | #212 (permalink) | ||
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I was one. I grew up and went to school with them. I have family members who are them. I have done volunteer work with/for them. I have mentored them. I have set up and raise money for scholarships for them. I have hired them. I play(ed) basketball with them. My father is still alive and lives in the same neighborhood, I talk to them when I visit my father. I have gone to church with them. I talk to them when I see them on a day to day basis - you know, stuff like...how is it going...see the game last night...you in school or what are you up to...what do you think about Obama... You would be surprised how much information you can get from people by simply showing some interest in their views. Is this something extreme too? Gee.
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Instead of the picture you posted how is this? If there is no value in me sharing my experiences and thoughts with you, ignore them. In my view it is foolish doing what you do. If I had no respect or interest in your point of view I would ignore it.
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05-13-2011, 10:01 AM | #213 (permalink) | ||
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My point is that you seem to be basing your analysis of a widespread problem on a limited view. I could be wrong; it just seems that way. Would you consider your knowledge of young black men comprehensive and detailed enough to write about for publication? Do you think maybe you could help the government understand what's going on from coast to coast? I'm sure you could help your neighbourhood or maybe your city. To a degree. But I'm reluctant to form any significant opinions on the matter based on what you've observed. I hope you understand. Quote:
Everything I learned about responsibility I learned in school and at work. I have a feeling that this is the case for many youth. Now, beyond your Big Bad Liberal conspiracy theory, what makes you suggest youth don't want to get trained and get jobs? What's the real problem? At first you were saying it's because minimum wage is too high. Now you're saying it's because youth are being brainwashed by urban liberal overlords. What is it?
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When I say free markets are self correcting, when it come it race in America, we have to understand the history. Racism in America was institutionalized by government or legislation, i.e., Jim Crow laws. It was through government that segregation was enforced and without the support of government it ends (there will always be exceptions or people who are simply evil, but they will not define a society). When people are free to interact the fear of differences dissipates and people begin to focus on what they have in common. It is shameful when any politician, community worker/leader plays on class/race/sex/religious/age/sexuality warfare or those those differences to solidify their support. Obama has President does this more than any President in my lifetime, and it is beneath the dignity of the office. And I suspect he underestimates the negative impact it has.
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ace, I'm disappointed. Do you even remember what we're talking about?
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