mixedmedia

I think this is a very bad comparison. Pedophilia is an officially designated mental disorder, not a 'normal' sexual urge.

I again I think this is a bad/lopsided comparison. No, pornography may not make a man go out and rape women. Not sure why you even take it that way. But I think it's pretty safe to say that viewing pornography can impart a person with the desire to have sex. Combine that with a compulsive disorder like pedophilia (more closely linked to a fetish than a 'normal' sexual urge) and I think that viewing child pornography could very easily instigate the pursuit of sex with children. After all, most victims of child sexual abuse are seduced, not forced.

I think you are confusing the concept of rape with child molestation. The crimes are very often called rape because the children are not legally considered to be old enough to consent, not because they are all forced.

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Lak

As much as I have reservations on the legitimacy of 'official designation' of mental disorders, I agree in that I certainly wouldn't classify pedophilia as 'normal' (you used that term, not I). My idea is that that pedophilia, in and of itself, may not necessarily be dangerous or harmful.

My comparison relies and the ability for either subject to recognise the exploitation which they are party to. Just as the guy who would 'seduce' the girl who is over-and-out drunk at a party for his own gratification, his methods are wrong and reprehensible. Yes. she agreed to it, but no, she shouldn't have and no, she wasn't fit to make that decision anyway. This guy knowingly takes advantage of that, and this is the sort of person who is comparable to a child molester. The molester knows it is wrong. He does it anyway. The only difference is the victim demographic. These actions are part of his character, not a subset of the 'symptoms' of pedophilia.

If either of these men were unable to recognise that what they are doing is wrong, they would have a problem which causes them to be potentially harmful. They have the same problem in common, and yet one is a pedophile and one is not. To me this suggests that this 'problem' is not rooted in pedophilia, but some condition that sometimes/usually accompanies it. A abusive upbringing for example, can spawn both conditions.

It is true that many pedophiles fall into the second category and have poor moral judgement, but I think it is probably unfair to lump them together into the same condition. This is the concept that my analogy is based on. What are your thoughts?

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mixedmedia

Well, no. In a vacuum, perhaps, where there is no temptation nor human tendency towards rationalization of one's desires. In and of itself, no, there is nothing wrong with having thoughts about having sex with children. But, as a person who deals with her own fetishes and obsessions, I know that fantasy and exposure to visual or written stimulation piques my desire to live them out. Fortunately for me, my obsessions are legal and don't rely on the exploitation of the young. But there for the grace of circumstance go I, perhaps?

I am not 'normal,' either.
It's a term I really don't like, either, but for the purposes of this discussion, I'm okay with it.


Well, I guess those are my thoughts pretty much above.

You're right in saying that pedophilia, like most other sexual proclivities and fetishes, is rooted most often in childhood experiences. I'm just not sure there is a compelling correlation between men who exploit women on dates and at parties, etc. and pedophiles.

Now, there are men (and women) who molest children who are not pedophiles. They are either what they call 'situational child molesters' or people who just don't give a fuck. In my estimation, these sorts of people would more closely align with the sort of person who would exploit someone who is drunk.

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Seer666

these days, it does happen a lot without persuasion. there are a lot of message boards out there where underage kids are posting naked pictures of them selves for the simple amusement of it. Half and fully naked 15 year olds are all over the internet via anonymous message boards and a slew of video chat sights. the new generation is getting harder to exploit, by the simple fact they now exploit themselves.

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yes it is wrong let them make they lives indepentally when they be adults forcing any thing is wrooooooooooooooooong

thespian86

My question is this, for all of those who are arguing that it is socially corrupt to do this; couldn't you argue that some situations, such as this, exploit someone who is unwilling to cooperate, and we say "this is exploitation, this is wrong", but aren't there other situations where people feel exploited within our societal norms and we say "too bad, that's life." I realize anyone can counter with "that is majority; that is how most of us feel" but the way I see it is "most" isn't "all". Where is the line? Understand what I mean? I might have to reword.

IMHO, as someone with two sisters under fourteen years old, I think the idea of someone forcing them to do sexually explicit things for someone else's sexual pleasure makes me... speechless.

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It is very simple.

Even if someone is looking at CP that they didn't take themselves, someone did. Someone's son, daughter, brother, sister, cousin, niece or nephew is being taken advantage of, and may not even know it.

We need to protect our children. If we don't, we're only asking for a troubled future.

It sickens me that this can even be debated.

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thespian86

Blue, I don't think the debate is whether or not it is wrong, it's why is it wrong. It's in philosophy (I'm thinking) because the question is "why". Think about it.

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I think it's simple. It's because in most cases (and I'll go so far as to say all cases of pre-pubescent sexual exploitation) it's exactly that, exploitation that is going on there. It's like having sex with animals or the mentally disabled, you cannot be sure (and most often do not care) that you are having mutually agreed upon and enjoyed sex. It's a selfish pursuit on the part of the adult acted upon because of self-centered urges that prioritize themselves before the other legitimate concerns of the health and welfare of the animal, disabled person, child.

I've been called an elitist in my day, but I think legitimizing child sexual exploitation for some high-flung philosophical rationalization is about the most ridiculously elitist thing I ever heard.

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Seer666

I think I might become very unpopuler here, and this is not directed at you but...

I fucking cring in pain every time I hear this phrase uttered. Every time someone says "protect the children", I watch 3 more of my civil liberties go out the fucking window. You know what? Fuck the children. Let them play with lawn darts. Let them learn, like I did as a kid, that there are things that fucking hurt when you play with them. You want to protect them, be a god damn parent and stop letting TV and the state raise them. Teach them right from wrong, teach them some morals, kick them off of the god damn Xbox every now and then if they are getting fat and lazy, but stop, for the love of fucking God, stop screaming protect the children every time some dumb shit kid falls off his bike and scraps his knee. They are your god damn kids not mine, and I will not give up one more of my fucking liberties so that people can feel better about making the world a safer place for the kids.

/thread jack.

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okay, i was surfing around on newgrounds today and noticed an hentai-type animation of the teen titans which made me start to think. If child porn is illegal, whats the deal with it being legal to draw children cartoon characters engaging in the devious act? (sex of coarse)

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MSD

They claim that everyone is an adult, just young-looking, and it's better to have people jerking off to drawings than for actual kids to be abused making child porn.

ASU2003

The worry there is that 3D computer animation is getting to the point where it might be hard to tell what is fake and what is real.

But I think the age should be lowered to 14. Not because I want 14-18 to enter the legal porn market (they shouldn't be able to, just like now). But if some high school girls take pictures of themselves and they leak out on-line, the guys that get them shouldn't be prosecuted. If some '17' year old who was in Girls Gone Wild becomes famous one day, she shouldn't be allowed to claim that that film is child pornography and prevent it from being distributed.

MirrorsrorriM

I'm not a Catholic basher or anything, but I've been to Rome and there are hundreds of churches there and there are so many paintings depicting naked children, with genitals and everything, the Seraphim and Cherubim, the highest angels are depicted as naked children.

child abuse is just a political tool now for oppression. Instead of accusing their enemies of being 'enemies of the state' the commies accuse their enemies of child abuse. While it's true, the network of satanic homos who now control much of the machinations of the Beasts government are serial killing pedophiles, they also know how to play the shame game, they accuse others constantly of what they themselves are doing.

100,000 children have been disappearing every year for several decades now, they are never found. a million calls are placed a year, 90% of them are found, with the other parent and what not, but 10% of them are never found, never heard from again. The FBI is running around investigated 'hate crimes' and other such non-sense, but not these missing children, because, they are told not to investigate.

The catholic church held enormous stupid power and stupid people who hold power for stupid reasons often abuse that power to the ultimate extent, i.e having sex with everyone's children.







Probably all pornography is wrong, whether it's adults or children, what's the difference, adult pornography is worse, because children don't really know any better. To a child it's just like breast feeding or eating their baby food, kind of icky maybe, maybe feels sorta pleasant, but the degenerative effect on the will is worse in children, maybe? or are the effects on adults just as bad?

Why do people care so much about children, but after they turn 18 they want to torture and kill them for their non-conformist sexuality? It's because they are psychotic, dangerous people who shouldn't be allowed near people, let alone children.

Homosexual pedophilia is the most devastating of course, and I believe comes from this mysterious evil force that is absolutely real and present all around us, especially now that Satan controls the mass media. Satan is probably an alien life form that has an insect like consciousness, views humans are pretty much nothing but it's prey, human emotions are just to be manipulated and use to enslave them, murder, rape them, etc.

People see sexual predation of children as preying on helpless, smaller, weaker people, well, womanizers are doing the same thing, let's be honest, fornication should be illegal as well.

I mean, are you saying adults who engage in 'consensual' sex aren't preying on eachother most of the time? A stronger one preying on a weaker one? One with more money, preying on someone who doesn't have money, as in the case of prostitution? It's the same ugly thing in adult sexuality as in children, it's the same ugly thing in human nature, which is the universal nature of the world and all living things, thus, if there is a God, he is satanic and evil and a Omnipotent Monster and we should all commit mass suicide to end his sick control over higher beings whom he enjoys torturing.

mixedmedia

Are you being sarcastic?

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MirrorsrorriM

oh i'm sorry, did I hurt the homosexual pedophile's feelings?

now THAT'S was sarcasm.

the internet has been so disheartening, there are so many, possessed by Satan now, I think more than are not, but especially the isolated people, whom satan bores into, and destroys their sexuality and perverts it and turns it into a hideous thing.
Everyword that comes out of their mouths is the devil himself, speaking to your face through them.

Satan is far more powerful than I ever understood, it is something truly beyond comprehension, I admit it's something so vast and horrible I cannot comprehend it, it's from another galaxy or solar system.

The_Jazz

Whether you meant it or not, this is one of the funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. I mean I'm not against complete nutjobs or anything, but this is so far off the deep end that I can only see pure comic genius at work.

Thanks for the hearty laugh.

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mixedmedia

uh, ya, thanks for clearing that up for me...

you must be very busy...fighting satan...on the internet, so I won't trouble you further.

but if you were looking for a place rife with hideous, perverted sexuality to, um, 'fight satan' *wink, wink* you've come to the right place.

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Ustwo

The heretical nature of Satan the evil alien aside, lets say its true. The idea of a vastly powerful amazingly evil alien life form of some sort out there hell bent on our destruction is a scary thought. Its not even a unique idea, in fact the entire movie of The Fifth Element was pretty much based around this idea.

Now evil I can understand, evil aliens I can envision.

What I have a hard time making heads or tails of though is why would an ultra-powerful alien creature spend so much time and effort in convincing me to stick my penis in places other than my wifes vagina.

We have nuclear weapons, mass kill viruses, the potential for starvation and plague, and yet, it just can't seem to get us to use these weapons, at least on a global scale, to do some pretty evil and nasty things to each other. Yet, he convinces millions of men to stick their penises in other willing men, and less willing children.

Its...anticlimactic.

Its like being cornered by a gang of thugs in a dark alley and they approach you weapons drawn, only to try to sell you over priced magazine subscriptions.

It would be a pettiness unworthy of the prince of lies, and more up the alley of say the camber maid of practical jokes.

Maybe I'm wrong on my views on god and satan, but still, I can't see either of them overly worried where I stick my penis.

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MirrorsrorriM

the bible says, 'it is not against bone and flesh that we battle, but against principalities and powers', however, the CAtholic translation is the word 'celestials', celestials, principalities and powers, are ALIENS, celestial means 'from the heavens' or 'from the stars'.

the penis is merely the physical object, it's the spiritual power it represents, which is infinite, the phallic symbols you see on every TV show, the news anchors always standing in front of the Washington Monument or some such thing, the triangle, the pyramid on the back of the dollar, represents this concept. Sexual decadence drains the soul and allows satan to enter you and possess you, control your mind, so that you cannot even concieve of a plot against their government without them knowing, you've lost the territory of your own mind. you have become nothing but a thing animated by the spiritual force of Satan, and THAT is the ultimate goal of Satan, and it IS much worse than biological or nuclear weapons. because you are not dead. You are the living dead, still alive, being used by this psychotic homosexual supernatural killer, it's like Satan duct taping you up and putting computer chips in your brain and turning you into a robot, a slave, a thing for their amusement and usefulness. You have become Satan's appliance, with just enough thought left in you, to carry out the mundane tasks of your existence, but nothing more. No concern for spiritual insights or the jurisprudence of fair and righteous self government, only enough of a mind left to see 2 feet in front of you like a mule with blinders.

Obviously though, most of the people, even posting here, won't be able to understand, Satan will confuse them and prevent them from understanding it, he will punish them for their bad thoughts in a million creative ways, subtle subliminal controls too vast for what's left of their putrified minds, rotted with sin and fermented into a demonic elixor of decadence.

As revelation states, 'they shall be drunk with the wine of fornication', the wine of the Great Harlot, Diana, the statue of which sits atop the Capitol Building in Washington, DC.

Texe Marr was an Air Force Colonel, who taught bomber pilots strategy for nuclear war, he's the one I learned that about Diana from.


when i sense someone is willing to learn something, or give it intelligent consideration I don't mind elaborating.

Posession is simply dominant telepathy. The control a person telepathicly via the pineal gland, or the third eye, which is what the eye on the pyramid represents, the eye which is the symbol you see everywhere now, the CBS eye, etc. The Pineal gland is made of the same type of photoreceptive cells as are in the optic nerve and the retina, they can be stimilated by electromagnetic radiation, of a different frequency than light, they can interpret brain waves the way way your eye and brain interpret light waves. Telepathy is simply a natural, reality you all are never told about because they don't want you to know anything spiritual or true about your supernatural existance.
What people call 'love' or being in 'love' with their wife, they mean, they are in a pleasant state of telepathic union. telepathy isn't always about love. It is also about dominance and subversion of the will, the conquest of the soul, so to speak. One possesses another through sexual conquest, or 'sticking their penis in you' as you so eloquently and casually said.
As the Gospell (god's spelll) says, 'thou becomes one flesh', it warns against becoming one flesh with those possessed of the devil. the crazed sexual urges of demonicly possessed people, is simply the devil trying to spread itself like some kind of psychic virus, it's consciousness is trying to spread itself via sexual contact.

the Movie 'Fallen' is a good illustration of this, but uses the euphemism of touching people to possess them. the touching is a euphemism for sexual intercourse.

Dtamr

Mirrorsrorrim,

Wait a minute. You're suggesting that thousands of children a year are kidnapped by the Catholic Church and forced into sexual slavery? I cant really read too far into your post beyond you saying that Satan controls the media and is - wait, here you go -

You then go on to say this, which frankly boggles my mind (I have no better term for it)

Then you say this! By now, I'm just reading for kicks.

Dude, this is awesome. You are a master flamer and for that, I applaud you. If we could get back to the subject at hand, though, I have a few things to say.

It's common that a lot of people in jail for unwilling (as opposed to statutory) rape of a minor had large stashes of CP either printed out or on thier computer. The point here is that there's a significant link in ownership of child pornography and actually going out and having sex with children. It's never the right thing to do, and it is repulsive, but I beleive that ownership and viewing of child pornography creates some desire to actively enact what you've seen.

Who among us have not gotten an idea of a sexual position from a legal pornographic photograph? I watch threesome videos and I think to myself "Damn! That looks fun! Wish I could do that someday!" Someone who is sufficietly desperate, perverted and motivated enough to look up CP online can perhaps one day become sufficiently desperate, perverted and motivated enough to enact his repugnant fantasies.

Lolicon is a good stopgap for these procedures. No children are hurt or exploited and the air of surrealism helps stop any perverts at the door, because nothing will ever be as perfect as the lolicon they own. Also, it's legal, widely available and free to download almost anywhere you go. Of course it's still wrong, but in degrees of wrongness, would you rather have the lolicon, created by a 35 year old virgin in his basement, or the actual CP out in the world? Lolicon hurts nobody, IMHO.

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echo5delta

Well, um... yeah. That is the truth. I saw a documentary on it once:




To me, that post right there sums up a lot of the debate.

I'm not going to make assumptions about you, squeeb, but for my money?

Whenever I see pictures or video of some hot chick with some magnificent ta-tas, it makes me wanna bury my face in there and motorboat for a minute. I am blessed and proud to admit that it is something I've been able to do more than once or twice in my lifetime, hamd'allah. And I definitely want to do it again, several hundred times, insh'allah.

That being said, me looking at porn doesn't necessarily cause sexual abuse in itself. It makes me horny, and I act on that - rationally.

Summation: I can read my copies of Hustler magazine, and there's virtually no chance, based on historical record, that I'll do much except make a booty call or jerk off. Or maybe get drunk. Or all three. But it does get me horny, and often as not I will take action on that.

There are myriad causes of irrational thought - drugs, booze, chemical or neural imbalances, or just being raised wrong - that can cause genuine sexual abuse, whether in concert with or independently of an individual's horniness. There's also just simple sexual preference and identity, which many people don't discover (or admit) until a much later age than most folks.

While someone who gets horny for kids and views CP might truly not EVER want to act out on the impulse, historically, they do - at least once or twice. Hell, that's honestly a high degree of self-discipline, if you think about it.

Oh, and yeah, since the act itself a crime, that's the rationale for criminalizing CP: some people - maybe not me or you or even Ustwo, but some people - do act out on fantasies and impulses caused by CP itself. My personal impulse is to grab a gun and go kneecap some asshole for letting it happen, but I digress.


To be honest, I'm frankly pretty damn surprised this thread even went out to three pages. I can see why it did, though.

I'd also like to say right now that I've never actually ever seen any image or film or any other sort of child porn (no, not even that lameass Traci Lords shit), and I'm thankful for that. I'm not a father, but kids have always held a very special place to me.


Speaking of which, something that I agree with (from more than one poster in this thread) that's seriously fucked up is that so many First World countries take such a severe stance against child porn and sexual exploitation, but any other form of exploitation just sort of gets a blind eye. 2-year-old boys kidnapped, taken across international borders and used as camel jockeys? Nobody here gave a shit about that for years because a) they were brown people, and b) it was happening in Dubai, and, uh, oil, and... what? What exploitation?*

Secondly - and I think squeeb will see this as a valid point as well - I'm not a law-ttorney but I'm pretty sure that bestiality is also illegal by the letter of the law in most US states, if not federally. Likely many other "Western" countries hold similar policies.

Yet it's perfectly fine to have 38TB of dog-raping and horse-humping videos on your computer? Hmmm. Double standard, anyone?

I won't even get into necrophilia, since (like CP & bestiality) it involves sexual acts that are impossible to have mutual consent to.

*This is a random example; Sheikh Zayed, President of the UAE, did begin to address this ghastly problem with some measure of success prior to his death. I like to think Sheikh Khalifa has continued to do so...

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Seer666

I have to say, this has turned into one of the more entertaining threads for me to read. squeeeb, you seem to have summed up a lot of my views on it pretty well. MirrorsrorriM, I'm not sure if you really believe some of what you've said, or are simple one of the best trolls/button pushers I've seen in a long time. Either way, I truly look forward to see what you have to say next.

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I read back a little. Didn't read the whole thread and probably won't. I just have to say: "Is child pornography wrong?" Is that seriously in question? WTF!

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Shauk

wow, I step out of this thread for quite some time and the whole satan alien spider thing greets me when I come back. AWESOME.


I wanna see more of what this guy comes up with. it's great fiction.

Dtamr

I just wish I was faster on the draw to read what the guy said last time. Apparently he's a name-caller.

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monokrome

Murder pictures are legal, because they are simply a picture of a crime that had happened. Child pornography isn't illegal because you have a picture of a crime taking place - it's illegal because that image is the byproduct of the crime.

If someone sold you a drug, you accepted it and it's in your possession. It's illegal (where I live, anyway) to be carrying a bag of marijuanna, even though you may have never smoked it or sold it.

Same basic concept.

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The Nightfly

I read this article this morning and thought it was very relative to this subject:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7422595.stm

boink

what if no child was involved in the production of the images?

for instance, say a very good computer graphics person created their own CG porn like people do with Poser only better ?
or maybe a game like Leisure Suit Larry goes to Kindergarten ?

sick I know but wtf, I didn't start the thread !

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ipollux

I think the argument about watching it being illegal would be that the more people who view it and pay for it, the bigger the market those potential customers are creating for it. It's like drugs. They're illegal, but since there's such a huge market for it, it continues to be made and sold. If enough people want child porn and will pay the right price for it, it will be made. I think that would be the argument as to why viewing it is illegal. Just playing devil's advocate, of course.

sound chaser

i know i might get flamed for this, but what they hey i'm big enough to handle it..

i don't think the ownership of child porn should be illegal. but the production of it should be. simply looking at child porn in itself does not violate a child's legal rights. i can't see anywhere in the US Bill of Rights (if we're using the USA as an example) that merely viewing child porn is outlawed.

jewels

No flame, but can you really rationalize that?
Ownership condones the act of production. Without a market of viewers, there would be no reason to produce it.

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Redlemon

This may be the strangest justification that I have ever seen. The Bill of Rights also doesn't say anything about driving drunk; does that justify it?

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The_Jazz

I don't know anyone who's all for open access to pufferfish poison, nerve gas and other incredibly deadly substances. The greater harm to society is too much to allow those to be either manufactured or possessed by the average citizen. That's not in the Bill of Rights either, but US society has dictated that you not be allowed to have them.

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Bill O'Rights

The Bill of Rights spells out what you can, or have the right, to do. Not what you cannot do.

When a law is enacted, it cannot impede upon rights guaranteed to you by the Bill of Rights. And nowhere in the Bill of Rights is an amendment stating that Congress shall pass no laws restricting the fair and free trade of child pornography. And since you do not have the right to child pornography, Congress can pass as many laws as they feel is necessary to restrict it.

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Consumption of a commodity implicitly condones its production and delivery. Except for the people who have the soul-crushing job of viewing and cataloging child porn siezed as evidence and those who see it as evidence in court (plus anyone in the legal process I might have forgotten,) people who view it are consumers of it.

ngdawg

Dude....that's a designed statue by sculptor Thomas Crawford and it's named
The Statue of Freedom.....
Statue of Freedom

Who left the door open?

Iliftrocks

To be fair, Hillary was biologically an adult and ready to mate, way before the grand old age of 18. Don't get me wrong as far as arbitrary limits go, 18 is a pretty fair age (Gotta get that diploma...), but physically we are ready for sex, etc. years prior to that age. Wasn't that long ago that the age for consent in a lot of states was closer to 13, which to me seems quite a bit low, even though I am from the south. Of course I believe New York state's was lower than NC's heh.

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