Anyone else here do running on the treadmill at the gymn?Post times... - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

RCR · 11-21-2004, 02:49 AM

It would be good if everyone posts their times

For 3km my best is 11:08s from a start(where the machine takes time to speed up.)

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atb
rcr

Blackthorn · 11-21-2004, 06:35 AM

3 times a week I'll run a laddered progression on the mill because your cadence is easier to track and control. Typically it results in 3.5 miles in 28 minutes + 5 minutes either side warm up / cool down.

Do this first thing in the morning then wait 1 hour to eat your first high qaulity meal of the day and watch the fat melt off your bones. It works....

Quoting Plan9 - "Nothing tastes as good as being in shape".

RCR · 11-21-2004, 08:05 AM

I think running is a fantastic way to shift excess weight

That is a great routine, i normally run when i get back from work, get rid of the stress!

atb
rcr

Cowman · 11-21-2004, 09:35 AM

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Do this first thing in the morning then wait 1 hour to eat your first high qaulity meal of the day and watch the fat melt off your bones. It works....

also, watch your muscle melt off too.

what I mean to say, is eat a little prior to the running. Like a protein shake or something.

Blackthorn · 11-21-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowman

also, watch your muscle melt off too.

what I mean to say, is eat a little prior to the running. Like a protein shake or something.

Not true in my case. I do eat a high protien (quality protiens that is) diet and have managed to maintain a lean body mass by any visual account. According to the tanita I show an 8 to 9% body fat and fairly nice definition. I only do this cardio workout three times a week which may account for your assumption that you (or me) would loose muscle mass. So....in my case that's not been my experience.

Cheerios!

Cowman · 11-21-2004, 06:21 PM

Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy(

) while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning.

Paradise Lost · 11-21-2004, 09:10 PM

The last time on a treadmill I clocked in at 10:15 for one mile. I've been running on normal surfaces for a while now, so I think I'll try the treadmill tomorrow and see how I've advanced. Hopefully it's a lower time! :P

Blackthorn · 11-22-2004, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowman

Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy(

) while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning.

No worries. Check out the before and afters here --> Body For Life

I should have mentioned that I also use resistance training to build muscle. Proper nutrition, resistance training, and cardio exercise are all parts of building a MUSCULAR but lean body.

I've followed this not religiously but enough to know that in my case it definitely works. The recommendation to use your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, and then waiting an hour to consume a high quality, nutitional meal is not made without merrit. You will use stored glycogen during intense cardio exercise. No question about that. You will also do some muscle tissue damage that your body will repair if given the right nutrition which also includes proper hydration.

When I decided to get off my lazy fat ass and get in shape I did enough research to learn a few things about what would work for me based on prior attempts to reshape my body. I knew I didn't want to look like a Kenyan marathon runner nor a professional body builder. Neither of those goals would be realistic for a dedicated office worker. I have, however, achieved a level of fitness and physical body composition that makes me quite a bit happier than when I weighed 188lbs at 19% body fat (35lbs fat). I'm now 180lbs at 8-9% body fat (16lbs fat). So...if you do the math on that you'll see that in fact I have added lean muscle mass to my frame while shedding the unwanted body fat.

Wanna take a 12 week challenge?

st33lr4t · 11-22-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kjroh

No worries. Check out the before and afters here --> Body For Life

I should have mentioned that I also use resistance training to build muscle. Proper nutrition, resistance training, and cardio exercise are all parts of building a MUSCULAR but lean body.

I've followed this not religiously but enough to know that in my case it definitely works. The recommendation to use your cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, and then waiting an hour to consume a high quality, nutitional meal is not made without merrit. You will use stored glycogen during intense cardio exercise. No question about that. You will also do some muscle tissue damage that your body will repair if given the right nutrition which also includes proper hydration.

When I decided to get off my lazy fat ass and get in shape I did enough research to learn a few things about what would work for me based on prior attempts to reshape my body. I knew I didn't want to look like a Kenyan marathon runner nor a professional body builder. Neither of those goals would be realistic for a dedicated office worker. I have, however, achieved a level of fitness and physical body composition that makes me quite a bit happier than when I weighed 188lbs at 19% body fat (35lbs fat). I'm now 180lbs at 8-9% body fat (16lbs fat). So...if you do the math on that you'll see that in fact I have added lean muscle mass to my frame while shedding the unwanted body fat.

Wanna take a 12 week challenge?

its a matter of doing things efficiently. its easier to burn fat then build muscle. so even though your burning more fat your burning more muscle then if your body wasnt in a fasted stated.

btw how tall are you? im 6.1 195lbs at 10%

luvthefun · 11-22-2004, 12:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowman
Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy() while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning.

I have been in the Army for a few years now and have never, nor anyone else in the Army that I have come across eats before we PT (physical training). I also do not go to the gym for lifting purposes. I do a regimine of pushups and situps and have no problem maxing these events at our regular APFT's (Army physical fitness tests). Additionally, one of the guys in my unit is into lifting and he also maintains that he has not had any trouble acheiving muscle growth, and as we are drug tested randomly he does this naturally.

I just wanted to put that out there. As for the point of this thread, I prefer to run outside for distences, but on off days I will use the treadmill to do timed sprints, for example I'll run two - four miles alternating a 1min 30sec quarter mile and a 3min quarter mile. Then I ussually wait an hour before eating because after I work out I'm ussually not that hungry and I try to drink a quart of water in that hour. Hope that helps. For other ideas you can google for a copy of FM21-20, the army physical fitness manual.

st33lr4t · 11-22-2004, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by luvthefun

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I have been in the Army for a few years now and have never, nor anyone else in the Army that I have come across eats before we PT (physical training). I also do not go to the gym for lifting purposes. I do a regimine of pushups and situps and have no problem maxing these events at our regular APFT's (Army physical fitness tests). Additionally, one of the guys in my unit is into lifting and he also maintains that he has not had any trouble acheiving muscle growth, and as we are drug tested randomly he does this naturally.

a regimine of pushups and situps is not going to build any type of muscle mass. look at any sport that does a high rep, like swimming and running....they are all lean. about your friend...does he take any type of supps? ...what nutrition does the army provide? ...does he eat more then provided? ...i know zip about army life

...just because he is gaining mass doesnt mean he is doing it to the best of his ability.

Cowman · 11-22-2004, 03:08 PM

KJROH: It seems that you didn't read my second post so..until you do, I really don't know what to say. I guess I'll repeat what I said: I didn't say you couldn't lose fat and gain muscle while running on an empty stomach in the morning. Im saying that your body will be much more likely to burn muscle on a fasted stomach, and thus to prevent muscle burning it is BEST to eat something before doing cardio.

almostaugust · 11-22-2004, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luvthefun

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowman
Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy() while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning.

I have been in the Army for a few years now and have never, nor anyone else in the Army that I have come across eats before we PT (physical training). I also do not go to the gym for lifting purposes. I do a regimine of pushups and situps and have no problem maxing these events at our regular APFT's (Army physical fitness tests). Additionally, one of the guys in my unit is into lifting and he also maintains that he has not had any trouble acheiving muscle growth, and as we are drug tested randomly he does this naturally.

I just wanted to put that out there. As for the point of this thread, I prefer to run outside for distences, but on off days I will use the treadmill to do timed sprints, for example I'll run two - four miles alternating a 1min 30sec quarter mile and a 3min quarter mile. Then I ussually wait an hour before eating because after I work out I'm ussually not that hungry and I try to drink a quart of water in that hour. Hope that helps. For other ideas you can google for a copy of FM21-20, the army physical fitness manual.

This is quite similar to my workout routine. I do heeps of running outside. i do stairs once a week, usually 5km on trails and a 10km road run. Through my martial arts, i do many sets of pushups and situps too (and play soccer for 9months of the year). Although i feel really strong compaired to when im not training, especially core strength, besides looking really defined i havent visably put on much muscle at all. I guess this is characteristic of my training and also the fact that my physique is 'ectomorph' or 'hardgainer'.

stonegrody · 11-22-2004, 04:14 PM

I run on a treadmill 4-5 times a week. I run 2 miles in ~17 minutes. I was trying to increase my distance but I've stuck to two miles for quite some time now. I run before weight lifting. It gets my blood flowing and makes for a good warm up.

archer2371 · 11-22-2004, 05:00 PM

One Mile before plyometrics and weights generally in under nine minutes. Trying to get it under seven.

almostaugust · 11-23-2004, 06:00 PM

Oh, and i run 5km a shade under 20mins. Hoping to get better.

tman17m · 11-23-2004, 06:14 PM

i run 4 miles in 30 minutes....7:30 mile, 8 miles an hour

thats not real fast but its a good workout for me
do that on tuesday, thursday and sunday
monday, wednesday and friday i lift
i give myself saturday off...probably shouldnt...but...oh well

madcow · 11-23-2004, 08:17 PM

I can't stand the treadmill personally, but I run reguarly. I recently went up to 25 miles a week. 5 miles on 5 different days. I can usually manage to get my time under 33 minutes. I suppose it would be better if I went shorter on a few days and longer on a couple others, but running just 3 miles now seems like it's over too fast.

RCR · 11-24-2004, 05:59 AM

Im actually a sprinter (100m/200m) and find 3km far enough!

I tried 2miles today, and did it in 11.48, and that was hard, really hard, how do you guys go for longer distances, just pace at a good speed?

all the best
adam

pinkie · 11-24-2004, 07:44 AM

15 minutes of cardio on the treadmill, 15 minutes nautilus equipment, reps 3 x 12 each, 20 minutes cardio again... Hot tub!!!!

luvthefun · 11-24-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by almostaugust:

"This is quite similar to my workout routine. I do heeps of running outside. i do stairs once a week, usually 5km on trails and a 10km road run. Through my martial arts, i do many sets of pushups and situps too (and play soccer for 9months of the year). Although i feel really strong compaired to when im not training, especially core strength, besides looking really defined i havent visably put on much muscle at all. I guess this is characteristic of my training and also the fact that my physique
is 'ectomorph' or 'hardgainer'."

A couple points I may not have been clear on, my point wasn't that I have gained massive amounts of muscle, just that I have gained some and that I havn't lost any as a result of running on an empty stomach.

Originally posted by st33lr4t

"a regimine of pushups and situps is not going to build any type of muscle mass. look at any sport that does a high rep, like swimming and running....they are all lean. about your friend...does he take any type of supps? ...what nutrition does the army provide? ...does he eat more then provided? ...i know zip about army life ...just because he is gaining mass doesnt mean he is doing it to the best of his ability."

Actually a regimine of pushups and sit ups will build muscle mass. Pushups for example will build many of the same muscles as benchpressing. Muscle growth is directly affected by, among other things, resistence. Your body doesn't care whether it is provided by weights or your own body weight. The reason why you notice more gains using weights is that you can focus more on particular muscle groups and you can add more resistence via weights that you can't do with your own body mass.

Once your out of Basic Combat Training the Army rarely regulates what you eat or how much, unless your on a special program because you are over allowable percentage of body fat. In the field you will generally eat MRE's (meal ready to eat). They are roughly 1500-2500 calories per meal depending on the meal. They are also nutritionally fortified with vitamins and are designed to be all encompassing nutritionally. As for my friend, I couldn't tell you how much he eats in a day, but he does take a host of additional protein suppliments to augment his workouts. The main one he takes is an N-Large brand shake and some type of protein bar ... I grabbed one once thinking it was candy without reading the label and it was the most unpleasent first bite i had experienced in a while. I hope this helps clear up some confusion about my post.

ps. sorry about having to cut and past quotes directly, for some reason my computer won't let me put them in all bracketed they way all your others are.

Cowman · 11-24-2004, 03:18 PM

The reason why Pushups won't build any noticable mass is because you can only use your own body weight, so unless you were continually adding FAT, or muscle to other areas VIA resistance training, you would quickly reach a point where you are no longer stimulating the muscle. It's like walking. We don't build muscle while walking because we do it so often that our muscles have reached the point where we can walk without them being torn(which is what you're doing when you lift weights).

Blackthorn · 11-24-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowman

KJROH: It seems that you didn't read my second post so..until you do, I really don't know what to say. I guess I'll repeat what I said: I didn't say you couldn't lose fat and gain muscle while running on an empty stomach in the morning. Im saying that your body will be much more likely to burn muscle on a fasted stomach, and thus to prevent muscle burning it is BEST to eat something before doing cardio.

Read it. Replied to it. We agree to disagree on this or perhaps you didn't read my post. In either case it's all good.

My main point is that I have lost about 16 lbs of fat while I've actually added 8 or 9 pounds of lean muscle mass to my frame following (although not religously - because I like to eat) the Body for Life plan. If you feed your body a high quality diet of low fat sources of protiens, high quality COMPLEX carbs, and a lot of good old h2o you have not to worry about losing muscle from short, intense cardio workouts on an empty stomach. I like the way I look and feel which is what matters most to me. In my case (and hundreds of others who use B.F.L.) I did not lose muscle when using cardio on an empty stomach. Again...maybe we just agree to disagree so it's all good.

RCR · 11-26-2004, 09:32 AM

Yeah,

guys i just meant for this to be a place where you can post your best times during an excercise on the treadmill, very interesting subject on how to improve muscle mass etc, but perhaps a new thread on that topic would be better?

I find monitoring my times a great way on seeing how and if i am improving my fitness,

all the best
rcr

Val_1 · 11-26-2004, 11:40 AM

I do cardio 3 times a week (usually 30 min a shot). I use to use the tread mill quite a bit, but lately I've switched over to eliptical machines. It takes me a bit longer to get my heart up there, but it is a lot easier on the legs/kness. I keep track of my heart rate. I've never kept track of calories burned, distance traveled, or speed. Just not important to me.

dman2 · 11-26-2004, 12:01 PM

I know this started out as a thread for treadmill times, but have you considered spinning? It is offered at most larger gyms. I do it twice a week now at 6 a.m. At the gym I attend, Gold's, it is called RPM. It is a serious workout for 45 minutes. Constant pedaling on a bike to a variation of songs with an instructor. I have not found anything better. It beats running for me because you are pushed to your limits by the music and the instructor. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot!!!

st33lr4t · 11-27-2004, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dman2

I know this started out as a thread for treadmill times, but have you considered spinning? It is offered at most larger gyms. I do it twice a week now at 6 a.m. At the gym I attend, Gold's, it is called RPM. It is a serious workout for 45 minutes. Constant pedaling on a bike to a variation of songs with an instructor. I have not found anything better. It beats running for me because you are pushed to your limits by the music and the instructor. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot!!!

that i would like to try...mix things up a little. you vary the intensity throughout the workout correct?

dman2 · 11-27-2004, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by st33lr4t

that i would like to try...mix things up a little. you vary the intensity throughout the workout correct?

Yep. The routine starts with a warmup,speed,rolling hills(up and down a lot), several others and finally the hardest, Mountain climb!! You are standing up most of the time with strong resistance. It is tough. If you are not sure of what spinning is all about, go to google or similar and type in spinning to get an idea.

RCR · 05-15-2006, 09:04 AM

Oh god...I knew this thread would haunt me, i have just got back from the gymn where I ran 3000m. My previous best in nov. 04 was 11:08, just now i did 14:22, and i am totally knackered...

Lol should be interesting trying to get my fitness back

atb
rcr

Vincentt · 05-15-2006, 11:32 AM

If you want faster times, you should eat before running.

A peice of fruit before working out is perfect.

Also, when doing high intensity training, most of the fat is burned later for recovery anyway.

2cent

(sorry, I use bike)

ryfo · 05-15-2006, 12:06 PM

i just started slow jogging on treadmill. I dont look at times/distance as I can only go for 5 mins max at the moment. But I figure you have to start somewhere and at least i am trying. I do 1hr cardio, usually a fast walk but i use the incline and have handweights to break it up a bit. I have a goal to double my time by the end of the month without needing paramedics on stand-by :-)

11-21-2004, 02:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
RCR Crazy	Anyone else here do running on the treadmill at the gymn?Post times... It would be good if everyone posts their times For 3km my best is 11:08s from a start(where the machine takes time to speed up.) : atb rcr

11-21-2004, 06:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Blackthorn Beware the Mad Irish Location: Wish I was on the N17...	3 times a week I'll run a laddered progression on the mill because your cadence is easier to track and control. Typically it results in 3.5 miles in 28 minutes + 5 minutes either side warm up / cool down. Do this first thing in the morning then wait 1 hour to eat your first high qaulity meal of the day and watch the fat melt off your bones. It works.... Quoting Plan9 - "Nothing tastes as good as being in shape". __________________ What are you willing to give up in order to get what you want?

11-21-2004, 06:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy() while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning. __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

11-21-2004, 09:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paradise Lost "Afternoon everybody." "NORM!" Location: Poland, Ohio // Clarion University of PA.	The last time on a treadmill I clocked in at 10:15 for one mile. I've been running on normal surfaces for a while now, so I think I'll try the treadmill tomorrow and see how I've advanced. Hopefully it's a lower time! :P __________________ "Marino could do it."

11-22-2004, 12:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
luvthefun Upright Location: Albany	Quote: Originally Posted by Cowman Please don't use the "I still have muscle and definition" argument against not losing muscle. I have no doubt that you can still be muscular and sexy() while running in the morning before eating, that's not what im saying. What I AM saying, is that not eating before running in the morning will hamper your muscle-growing, and will contribute towards losing muscle. No, you won't lose all your muscle, and yes, you will lose a lot of fat. However, if you are on a cut and aiming to keep as MUCH of your muscle as possible, you should be eating something before running in the morning. I have been in the Army for a few years now and have never, nor anyone else in the Army that I have come across eats before we PT (physical training). I also do not go to the gym for lifting purposes. I do a regimine of pushups and situps and have no problem maxing these events at our regular APFT's (Army physical fitness tests). Additionally, one of the guys in my unit is into lifting and he also maintains that he has not had any trouble acheiving muscle growth, and as we are drug tested randomly he does this naturally. I just wanted to put that out there. As for the point of this thread, I prefer to run outside for distences, but on off days I will use the treadmill to do timed sprints, for example I'll run two - four miles alternating a 1min 30sec quarter mile and a 3min quarter mile. Then I ussually wait an hour before eating because after I work out I'm ussually not that hungry and I try to drink a quart of water in that hour. Hope that helps. For other ideas you can google for a copy of FM21-20, the army physical fitness manual. __________________ "When your men get home and face an anti-war protestor, tell them to look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." ~ General Tommy Franks

11-21-2004, 08:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
RCR Crazy	I think running is a fantastic way to shift excess weight That is a great routine, i normally run when i get back from work, get rid of the stress! atb rcr

11-22-2004, 03:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	KJROH: It seems that you didn't read my second post so..until you do, I really don't know what to say. I guess I'll repeat what I said: I didn't say you couldn't lose fat and gain muscle while running on an empty stomach in the morning. Im saying that your body will be much more likely to burn muscle on a fasted stomach, and thus to prevent muscle burning it is BEST to eat something before doing cardio. __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

11-22-2004, 04:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
stonegrody Brooding. Location: CA-USA	I run on a treadmill 4-5 times a week. I run 2 miles in ~17 minutes. I was trying to increase my distance but I've stuck to two miles for quite some time now. I run before weight lifting. It gets my blood flowing and makes for a good warm up. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember. We are eternal. All this pain is an illusion. Tool - Parabola

11-22-2004, 05:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	One Mile before plyometrics and weights generally in under nine minutes. Trying to get it under seven. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

11-23-2004, 06:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
almostaugust Junkie Location: Oz	Oh, and i run 5km a shade under 20mins. Hoping to get better. __________________ 'And it's been a long December and there's reason to believe Maybe this year will be better than the last I can't remember all the times I tried to tell my myself To hold on to these moments as they pass'

11-23-2004, 06:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
tman17m Psycho Location: my cubicle	i run 4 miles in 30 minutes....7:30 mile, 8 miles an hour thats not real fast but its a good workout for me do that on tuesday, thursday and sunday monday, wednesday and friday i lift i give myself saturday off...probably shouldnt...but...oh well

11-23-2004, 08:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
madcow Crazy Location: The state of denial	I can't stand the treadmill personally, but I run reguarly. I recently went up to 25 miles a week. 5 miles on 5 different days. I can usually manage to get my time under 33 minutes. I suppose it would be better if I went shorter on a few days and longer on a couple others, but running just 3 miles now seems like it's over too fast.

11-24-2004, 05:59 AM	#19 (permalink)
RCR Crazy	Im actually a sprinter (100m/200m) and find 3km far enough! I tried 2miles today, and did it in 11.48, and that was hard, really hard, how do you guys go for longer distances, just pace at a good speed? all the best adam

11-24-2004, 07:44 AM	#20 (permalink)
pinkie Helplessly hoping Location: Above the stars	15 minutes of cardio on the treadmill, 15 minutes nautilus equipment, reps 3 x 12 each, 20 minutes cardio again... Hot tub!!!! Last edited by pinkie; 11-24-2004 at 07:46 AM..

11-24-2004, 02:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
luvthefun Upright Location: Albany	Originally posted by almostaugust: "This is quite similar to my workout routine. I do heeps of running outside. i do stairs once a week, usually 5km on trails and a 10km road run. Through my martial arts, i do many sets of pushups and situps too (and play soccer for 9months of the year). Although i feel really strong compaired to when im not training, especially core strength, besides looking really defined i havent visably put on much muscle at all. I guess this is characteristic of my training and also the fact that my physique is 'ectomorph' or 'hardgainer'." A couple points I may not have been clear on, my point wasn't that I have gained massive amounts of muscle, just that I have gained some and that I havn't lost any as a result of running on an empty stomach. Originally posted by st33lr4t "a regimine of pushups and situps is not going to build any type of muscle mass. look at any sport that does a high rep, like swimming and running....they are all lean. about your friend...does he take any type of supps? ...what nutrition does the army provide? ...does he eat more then provided? ...i know zip about army life ...just because he is gaining mass doesnt mean he is doing it to the best of his ability." Actually a regimine of pushups and sit ups will build muscle mass. Pushups for example will build many of the same muscles as benchpressing. Muscle growth is directly affected by, among other things, resistence. Your body doesn't care whether it is provided by weights or your own body weight. The reason why you notice more gains using weights is that you can focus more on particular muscle groups and you can add more resistence via weights that you can't do with your own body mass. Once your out of Basic Combat Training the Army rarely regulates what you eat or how much, unless your on a special program because you are over allowable percentage of body fat. In the field you will generally eat MRE's (meal ready to eat). They are roughly 1500-2500 calories per meal depending on the meal. They are also nutritionally fortified with vitamins and are designed to be all encompassing nutritionally. As for my friend, I couldn't tell you how much he eats in a day, but he does take a host of additional protein suppliments to augment his workouts. The main one he takes is an N-Large brand shake and some type of protein bar ... I grabbed one once thinking it was candy without reading the label and it was the most unpleasent first bite i had experienced in a while. I hope this helps clear up some confusion about my post. ps. sorry about having to cut and past quotes directly, for some reason my computer won't let me put them in all bracketed they way all your others are. __________________ "When your men get home and face an anti-war protestor, tell them to look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." ~ General Tommy Franks

11-24-2004, 03:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	The reason why Pushups won't build any noticable mass is because you can only use your own body weight, so unless you were continually adding FAT, or muscle to other areas VIA resistance training, you would quickly reach a point where you are no longer stimulating the muscle. It's like walking. We don't build muscle while walking because we do it so often that our muscles have reached the point where we can walk without them being torn(which is what you're doing when you lift weights). __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

11-26-2004, 09:32 AM	#24 (permalink)
RCR Crazy	Yeah, guys i just meant for this to be a place where you can post your best times during an excercise on the treadmill, very interesting subject on how to improve muscle mass etc, but perhaps a new thread on that topic would be better? I find monitoring my times a great way on seeing how and if i am improving my fitness, all the best rcr

11-26-2004, 11:40 AM	#25 (permalink)
Val_1 Addict Location: In a State of Denial	I do cardio 3 times a week (usually 30 min a shot). I use to use the tread mill quite a bit, but lately I've switched over to eliptical machines. It takes me a bit longer to get my heart up there, but it is a lot easier on the legs/kness. I keep track of my heart rate. I've never kept track of calories burned, distance traveled, or speed. Just not important to me. __________________ I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. -Frank Sinatra

11-26-2004, 12:01 PM	#26 (permalink)
dman2 Insane Location: Georgia	I know this started out as a thread for treadmill times, but have you considered spinning? It is offered at most larger gyms. I do it twice a week now at 6 a.m. At the gym I attend, Gold's, it is called RPM. It is a serious workout for 45 minutes. Constant pedaling on a bike to a variation of songs with an instructor. I have not found anything better. It beats running for me because you are pushed to your limits by the music and the instructor. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot!!!

05-15-2006, 09:04 AM	#29 (permalink)
RCR Crazy	Oh god...I knew this thread would haunt me, i have just got back from the gymn where I ran 3000m. My previous best in nov. 04 was 11:08, just now i did 14:22, and i am totally knackered... Lol should be interesting trying to get my fitness back atb rcr

05-15-2006, 11:32 AM	#30 (permalink)
Vincentt Addict Location: Tokyo, Japan	If you want faster times, you should eat before running. A peice of fruit before working out is perfect. Also, when doing high intensity training, most of the fat is burned later for recovery anyway. 2cent (sorry, I use bike) __________________ .

05-15-2006, 12:06 PM	#31 (permalink)
ryfo Psycho Location: melbourne australia	i just started slow jogging on treadmill. I dont look at times/distance as I can only go for 5 mins max at the moment. But I figure you have to start somewhere and at least i am trying. I do 1hr cardio, usually a fast walk but i use the incline and have handweights to break it up a bit. I have a goal to double my time by the end of the month without needing paramedics on stand-by :-)